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Buffalo Bill and the pathology of identity transformation. film analysis by Rob Ager.
Lecter doesn't seem to want to turn into someone else, it's more like he wants to turn other people into himself.
Don Coyote Yes; in an extremely literal sense.
wasn't his goal to brainwash Clarice into thinking that she is Mischa? like... his sister? I mean I'm talkin' from the book's perspective, his goal was to make Clarice think she's Mischa but failed because Clarice was too strong mentally or smth and idk he kinda had a soft spot for her at some point I guess? lol my brain is just mixing the movies with the books haha
Yes.... devouring them until theres nothing left of them but himself.
He wants a conversation with someone who isn't completely dwarfed by his intellect, Clarice is the closest he has found, can you imagine him in a session with Buffalo Bill, who like most serial killers really isn't very bright
100th like and 5gh rplcomemnt ?
"The Silence of the Lambs" is one of those brilliant, all-time great movies that would not be made today.
Agreed, it would piss off the LGBTQs too much.
MrDman21 Gays were even super angry about this film upon its early-'90s release. Same went for "JFK" and "Basic Instinct."
XtreemMetalMan A very sick mentality, indeed.
shoaib btt
Usually by people who ignore one crucial scene that renders the accusation of gay-bashing entirely baseless.
And should have been obvious then. That people still mistakenly believe this now seems ridiculous.
@shoaib btt Buffalo Bill wasn't a transsexual, you simp.
Holy shit, the crossfade at 6:03, Lecter's face lines up perfectly with the stain in the cover art.
Holy 51 shits stinks to
“It rubs the lotion on it’s skin or else it gets the hose again.”
"PUT THE LOTION IN THE FUCKING BASKET!"
“Are u about a size 14???”
Hahaha me n my friend use to say that alot to each other as a joke
I always forget about that line....so messed up..😂
It puts the lotion in the basket
I saw this movie when I was 10 years old and I've loved it ever since.
Who wouldn't, it's such a great movie! I wasn't that good in English when I was 10 years old, but I did see the shining when I was 8, which was not a good idea because the lady in the bathtub freaked me out, and I wasn't able to even get that much of the dialogue seeing as it was subtitled and I couldn't read that fast yet. My dad just did not care if we wanted to see something he just said, if you get scared then don't cry to me about it. I saw it with him and my little brother who was 6 years old at the time...
Same! I was exactly 11 when I saw this and have loved it every since! :)
I saw it for the first time when I was 10 but I didn’t really get much of it until I re watched it at like 14
Interesting points, also I noticed a couple of things in the movie, by the end of the movie Clarice in a way evolves from her cocoon, as she kills buffalo, we see after a scene where the girl who was abducted is holding the little white dog (her lamb) and after that we see Clarice is like the girl represents Clarice's innocence who is no longer there. Also It makes a lot of sense what you say about Buffalo's mom, in the scene where he refers to the girl as it, when he asked her it should put the lotion in the basket the girl says multiple times " I miss my mommy " that triggered him, is almost as if that hole where he keeps those girls is his inner subconscious or his deeper self.
I like your interpretation about her being in the hole and the lotion thing. When he called her "it" to me it sounded like he was trying to treat her as something other than a human being with a life that he was about to kill so that he wouldn't feel as bad for killing and skinning her. So basically dehumanizing her before mutilating her.
@@chickenstrips5541 well most serial killers don’t see their victims as humans but as their toys to do with what they’re fantasies desire.
I just like girls
is it weird that I heard that in his voice?
is it weirder that I can actually emulate his voice?
size 14 girls
low effort 0/10
Me too, Bill. Me too.
davidsirmons I read that and I heard it to and went to look at the replies and saw yours😂
Your analysis is absolutely fantastic! I wouldn’t have made those connections in a million years, and now have a whole new appreciation for this movie.
Fine line between transformation and self improvement .
This movie was genius. A rare perfect movie.
Fantastic analysis, great video. As a huge fan of the novel and film I’m amazed I didn’t pick up on some of these details. Jame’s obsession with transformation always seemed a singular theme but this sheds a lot of light.
I've who is clung to The Silence of the Lambs series as one of the most collectively intricate and evocative series of movies ever made
My Commendation on your notification of hidden elements
I agree! I am eager to revisit the entire series.
In the novel Jame Gumb is a extreme version of Norman Bates. He watches home movies of his mother and says to his dog "precious" Mommy is good to be so beautiful. So it's obvious Jame Gumb wants to be his mother. The difference between Buffalo Bill and Norman Bates is Buffalo Bill only has one personality possessing his mind
There's a great line in the book after Starling kills Gumb in the basement;
"He'd put on some of his things from the armoire, and she couldn't look at him long."
Must've gone shopping at Geins N Things
No need to. Despite being a messed up person, he was a skilled tailor
At 2:20, that is not how the music should falter in a music box. It would slow down, but not normally drop in pitch. This was an added effect.
Transformation
How weird
I’m here and it’s Easter weekend
Can't wait to download it this evening
Nice, don't know why but I've been binging on interviews related to this movie lately. Happy to see a new Rob Ager breakdown of it in my sidebar.
Your videos are gold man. Love them!
Pilcher apparently also means a scabbard or covering. So, a noble covering? hiding something underneath?
In the Hannibal novel, Thomas Harris writes: "There Is a witchy beauty about Muskrat Farm, the Verger family's mansion near the Susquehanna River in northern Maryland."
I think the author and the producers of the film connote different things from this word: the cliché witch usually has one eye that's turned inward, like the movie version of Pilcher; but I think Harris means it more like there's something otherworldly about its appearance...
I'm new to your videos and they're great...
I wondered if the actor who played Pilcher actually had such an eye, if it was a contact, or done in post.
I would like to think of the 'witchy' eyes as someone possessing very striking visage and having a 'piercing gaze' as some people have been described. (For example, the historical Daniel Boone had a feature everyone noticed about him and it was called 'piercing blue eyes', like he could see within you.)
There is a pathological difference between self improvement and self deciete to run away from oneself. One revolves becoming a superior person and the other a distracting illusion to run away from inadequacy. This is a common human issue and its not surprising to see it as a central theme in horror.
You ain't human Spock, intellect is only one half of the mind.
9:04 Doctor Pilcher was played by Paul Lazar, who also was the US Doctor in the Korean film "The Host" (2006)
"Accepts her offer to a date?" Is that in the novel?
is there any Twin Peaks analysis by Rob Ager here on youtube ? I would like so much to see it
same, I really want to know what he thought about the new season.
I think it's on his 'to-do' list
I found this shocking and disturbing as well. But I must say Ager's work has consumed the past 3 days of my life so I can be patient/understanding!
John Stromboly o- me too! I hope Rob reads the comments… Happy Mother’s Day all!🥰👋💗💕💕😻😻😻😻😻
your urge toward narrative closure is, ostensibly admirable.
i don't know if anyone noticed this but it mirrors lecters opinion of buffalo bill... he clearly isn't gay or transsexual... i don't even wanna say trans cuz he is psychotic which is why he is denied surgery... theres a scene when jodi enters the room u can see polaroids of him getting freaky with nude women and many are sitting on his lap. I think he was sexually abused to the point where he hated himself and his gender and the part where in the dark he admires starlings beauty and was tempted to touch her face...then the scene of him mimicking katherine but not just mocking her he does it differently at the beginning.. he envied them/wanted to be them to escape his body thinking he'd be happy
Could never make this movie now.
The transtrenders would throw a fit. Even though they probably all liked the tv show.
no way...this time every movie explode..You touch something and we got a fire..
I don't know buffalo bill could definitely himself as a non binary Homicidal moth lol
They would just have to change some outdated medical terminology and I think it would be fine. You worry too much about things that might not actually exist.
@@BricksIn nah, they exist. Sounds like denial to me. In fact, this comment is all over this video (it’s the top comment of the video as well “This film could never be made today.” Is at 1400 thumbs up). Which then states that this is indeed a popular idea which means that he is not alone in his ideas which means you’re words are hallow. He may and even should worry about whatever he decides to and All the better when he’s making an observation that actually exists. Well done!
This was an awesome analysis, u've always wondered about this movie it's a true classic.
I get so tired of people saying this movie/story is transphobic. It’s made clear that gumb is not a real transexual and spoiler alert...in the book he killed his own grandparents. He’s just a deeply disturbed individual
Why are you gae?
I really need to read the novel is apparently longer with more content than the movie which I’ve watched several times.
Interesting when he says something like "our stomachs want to change too".
Jeremy Salesi OUR BILL WANTS TO CHANGE TOO
HANGED UPS our billy
The desire to replicate is no understandable urge to those who desire to duplicate...nah mean...
You're almost there. The idea of the film is that Starling will transform into a serial killer and, like the others, she will be used by Crawford to kill for the FBI.
That’s an interesting suggestion I’ve not heard about the film before. How did you come to that conclusion?
I like that idea, it's creepy. There should be an actual movie like that.
On a conceptual and thematic level, this would actually be a pretty brilliant sequel to Silence of the Lambs.
Well your part right already,
In the sequel book she runs off with Hannibal Lecter to Argentina as his lover. Oh and looks like his dead sister
cause Thomas Harris couldn't be taboo enough lol
yah supposedly some hidden mk ultrA stuff. I think Hannibal said billy was 'made' a killer, to 'born'
What a fantastic analysis!
Do an analysis on Manhunter
This. I've been expecting it since the moment I got the film and watched it. It's so good I even started analyzing it myself and there's a lot of great details that most viewers overlooked, such as the importance and symbolism of the lunar landscape screen in Dollarhyde's house which ties into his "relationship with the moon" as Lecter puts it or how his posture when he dies resembles the Red Dragon from the Blake painting.
I never realized this before, but it's pretty wild that the actor who hooked Travis Bickle up with his guns to wage war in Jodi Foster's honor is also F. Bimmel's father...
The first two videos I saw were "Abuse Themes in The Excorcist" and "Danny's Ordeal." I was hoping this would be a channel dedicated to proving why every character in a horror film was molested. Even though that isn't the case I am loving the content and how you completely change the way I view these movies. Thanks for the fantastic videos.
I think the part about Pilcher was edited out of the Audible recording. I remember it as Pilch's colleague Roden pestered her the most and she made a comment to Maps that "the wrong one always calls"
Roden called on Clarice about the entomological analysis results, she just didn't know yet. He did not make any move on her
The movie is about project monarch which is a CIA mk ultra program hence the butterfly!!
Great dissection and analysis of the movie and characters.
Ill try get my friend to comment.
He says there are lots of holes in the film.
It was one of the pieces of media he had to dissect when he was doing his psychology degree.
everyone has secrets. deep lightness to darkness.
You’re are genius Rob
Love ya, Rob. Brilliant stuff, I have not found better film analyses.
Strange comment easy lover
@@matimus100 no homo
Blondie is the name of the band. Debbie Harry is the singer.
Awesome analysis!!!
Brilliant !
I consider the work of Rob Ager as, nootropic. When I feel this impulse to stimulate my neuroplasticity, I simply watch one of Rob's superb presentations.
Well your analysis seems very in-depth and quite accurate to the movie, you're leaving how the movie combined many of the characters. Such as the fact that in the book it was not part of Federico's jewelry box that contained the pictures.
So basically you're doing a brilliant analysis of a film that departs dramatically from The Source material
Why didn’t I find this channel before
Katherine is what I want to name my daughter. I hope she's just as strong and brave and as much of a fighter as Katherine
It's a beautiful name. I used to think Karen was a beautiful name until people ruined it by calling over bearing women, Karen's, now I feel bad for anyone with that name
Where you from rob? South Liverpool?
Jonathan Demme’s style of often filming his actors speaking directly into the camera always was always unsettling to me.
Do you feel uncomfortable looking directly at a camera?
Especially when it’s a serial killer staring into you.
The back and forth dialogue between Lecter and Starling before Lecter escapes is one of the creepiest scenes ever filmed, IMO.
awesome man great analysis!!
That written part is very important.. when faced with reality.. there's a fine line between wanting to find the good and the the potential.. and embellishing the truth in a more fantastical way.
For those for example who may have been adopted and found out or in an orphanage.. the imagining of who the family could be or the belief of what family is can be created in a non realistic way.
There's nothing wrong with desiring and imagining.. to think about something and then work towards it... The danger though is the expectations of a perfect world rather than a realistic one.
There is a much needed balance between the two.
Being that people come from different backgrounds etc means that the baseline for reality differs even within the home.
What's normal for me may be very unnormal for another.
Working out what defines a word is helpful. Then making sure both are understanding what that baseline is.
You can have people go through a similar experience yet due to age or nationality, gender, personality, life experience in general will all play a part in how they interpret and then begin to work through their issues or needs.. there are a lot of varying factors. This was what I found so disturbing with mental health.
I'm not a stupid person but was clearly being affected by something in the negative. Yet pretty much entering the doors saying a few words that they decided were of concern began to try and diagnose me. I was stunned. If this has happened on me then how many others have been treated in the same way.
I just bought a lamb. Today!
They are so gentle and innocent.
Did it taste good?
@@mookfaru835 is it silent?
Gum must of taken those photos
the book and the movie itself, is about the transformation of who we are. To be better or worse people. It is ultimately about the fear of being able to be something "good or bad" of being "worse or better" of being "Heroes or beasts"..
The actress who plays Frederica's friend looks just like Rachel McAdams
This movie was amazing... I'd totally f me.. lmao.. this movie will always and forever be a classic
Some bugs don't cocoon. Cocoon was a shithouse rat crazy movie btw.
Is that a good thing?
You got the SHIT part right.
It also featured Wilford "Diabeetus" Brimley.
By now I count 2 vids being suddenly removed
-Vertigo film analysis
-Colonel Upham: Saving Private Ryan's weak intellectual strawman
Anyone got any more?
When Sterling saw Frederique's dress with the diamonds on the back, why did she translate the dress to Bill being gifted in sewing? Furthermore, I didn't quite follow how this led Sterling to his house.
BB´s victims were big girls. Fredericka was a big girl. And when Clarice visit the parent of Fredericka, she take a look in her room. When she found this music box with the hidden pics inside, first she knew, that her parents know nothing of the existence of F.´s "boyfriend" BB bc she hides this photos taken of her and second F. is shown half naked on this pics bc her murderer made these photos to maybe had a reason to look, how "big" his future skin would be (BB says probably to her, that he is going to make a dress for her? Or something else...). Clarice remebers the words spoken from Hannibal, that the murderer wants what he sees every day. So it must be someone with whom F. had frequent contact; living near her in the same community. Clarice is told by Frederickas parent, that before she vanished (and murdered) she sometimes sew at a house, where an older lady live. Then Clarice get the adress from F.´s parent and drive there. And who opens the door? Right, BB. When Clarice later hunts BB, she came across the rotten corpse from that old lady in the bath tub. BB killed that old lady (i don´t know, if BB killed the old lady at the same day he abducted/held F. captive).
I enjoyed this and will try the entire video, consider the cognitive dissonance between human predation and the killing and eating of animals and crafting their skins into clothing and shoes, Hannibal orders lamb chops after hearing Clarice's story, where Clarice describes the horror of witnessing how 'food' is acquired, admits that she is exhilarated by her work; she must transform herself into a predator to apprehend Bill
sorry but your analysis falters a little, because you've missed details from the book. For example, Gumb worked at that store, not a butterfly specific store, years before Ohio (so its just placement by the director) and the polaroids of Catherine had no faces of either the she or her partner, probably because she was a senators daughter, and class is one theme which is dealt with a lot in the book, but not really touched on in the film.
Goddamn you are so fucking good at this...
Do you teach film theory or film as literature or literature analysis or something like that?
No need for the GD.. blasphemy..not necessary
So, in the book, Catherine’s boyfriend is more of a presence- there’s the scene where we “meet” her and they’re discussing getting popcorn and she volunteers goes to do that rather than him. He’s mentioned a bit more, but the elements you’re talking about with her are only present in the movie. I would say if you’re using the book for her, her transformation is stereotypical of authority figures’ children: she’s introduced as being stoned in the scene with the popcorn, and painted as kind of slumming it with the boyfriend in the apartment later on. So, she’s pulling kind of a reverse Clarice ala Pulp’s “Common People”, which the new tv series actually touches on wonderfully. The white trash mountain kid who ran away to be a sophisticated authority, and the kid who ran away from sophistication and authority to be kinda trashy. Very cool video, great theses!
Oh! Also! Chilton is revealed in a scene with Clarice that really lays his own aspirations and truths bare that bears rereading. Again, thanks and fantastic video!
Interesting analysis
I love this book n movie
Hannibal was the best of the books. I couldn't put it down! :)
Strange comment slightly homosexual feelings for them is totally ok tho bro
Sewing skin ain't easy, gets creases.
Wrinkles lol
4:30 You are really reaching with this bit. The novel and the film make emphasise that Starling idolized her father and wishes she could achieve something which would have made him proud, but are clear to draw a distinction between this personal motivation and that of Jame Gumb's twisted obsession. Also, there is no hint that her trying to be a good agent is akin to changing her sex in psychological terms, I think you are seeing your own feelings in the material where they do not exist, I don't think that intepretation of yours is reflective of the original works. 5:32 I think you are also doing that here: I've seen you comment in videos before that you've had negative experiences on account of your own Liverpudlian accent, that the accent is not associated with academia or intellectual pursuit in our zeigeist, and been conscious of that while making no effort to change or adapt it. I think, therefore, that your pretty harsh connection of the recruits' (of which Starling is an exemplar) efforts to improve themselves and become agents with Starling's surface-level effort to shed her accent and even with Jame Gumb's fantasy of change is a parallel you've forced into the narrative with considerable reaching, motivated by your own sore feelings about surface change. Also, 5:52 what? A "social justice god"? He is, in the film and source mterial, a hero who worked himself terribly to advance understanding of serial killers to stop them. That's "social justice"?
well done
hey rob love your channels. was watching this and noticed, is that the reflection of the hostage in the reflection of the ballerina music box mirror?
this movie gave me nightmares for about 3 years after i saw Silence of the Lambs
Seriously?.. your profile name would suggest a different attitude. 🤭
Hey Rob. Remember when Manson told his minions to murder, all he admits to is telling them to, "Do something witchy." Make what you will of that. Any time I hear the word "witchy" I think of Manson, and those horrible murders.
"Bird or Animal furs..." Your city boy is showing! Birds don't have fur.
I assume your using PAL versions of films when you use clips?
Why?
Agree!
The film Zodiac hints at a possible snuff movie distribution among the elite. That Zodiac was killing to entertain the wealthy.
The idea Zodiac filmed his murders was only a theory by one of the detectives on the case. Zodiac may have been a wealthy killer though - look up Kjell Qvale.
From the novel I gathered that Jame's transvestite pursuits would be appreciated in certain circles, non murder tho. I will double check.
Top ten movie of all time
That's cool Man!
Promises posted
That bug guy looked like Gumb’s brother
I feel like these deeper meaning things should be understood by the audience as they watch the movie. If it has to be explained by someone later, they didn't do a very good job incorporating it into the movie.
@carlitos puruncajas Well yeah, but you don't have to do another video explaining how maybe Neo wasn't the chosen one to understand it. He has the choice of picking either the red pill or blue pill from the beginning, so the audience knows he could have easily not really been the chosen one. If you have to explain the ambiguity later, then the writers didn't do a good enough job explaining the ambiguity in the movie, which was the whole point. I'm talking about the references to the butterflies in 'Silence of the Lambs' mainly. It doesn't really add to the ambiguity if you may not have even seen the butterflies to begin with or interpreted it as just a random decorative choice.
The reason why they put little hidden things is because they expect audiences to get something new everytime they watch it, they challenge the audience to seek out these details and to understand them, ideally it doesn't has to be explained by someone later, those who are clever enough or look in the right places can figure out it by themselves but they still choose to share their interpretations of these elements to change people's perspective. The main themes are easy to understand it's the little details that should be hidden as a reward for those who pay attention.
I think Starling was wrong about Lecter. A combination of his whole experience and his IQ which is blatantly in the 200s gives him a God complex. In his opinion, he knows better and if people say he's wrong then that just shows their ignorance it shows that they're just pissants. Imagine being accomplished at everything that you do. You would feel contempt for incompetent peers after a while. And then come to the conclusion that you have no peers(that's why he's fascinated with Will Graham, he can actually keep up with Hannibal despite being left in his wake). As far as Lecter's concerned, we're not much more than animals.
“Blatantly in the 200s” not that high he’s more like 160. An iq of 200 would be the smartest person on the planet. An iq in the 200s would be the smartest to have ever lived
Mariposas
It's been so long since I have seen the movie or read the novels, but I did watch the TV-show when it aired.....but can't recall if they got to Buffalo Bill? Odd.
Anyhow, wasn't Buffalo Bill's persona(s) all made up, not what he really desired and wanted but a sort of copying of other people?
"you covet what you see everyday" silence of the lambs focuses in peoples eyes and what they see. ...in general my interpretation of the film is that men view women as prey ....and women also view men as predators..all predators have an intense sight
Best movie on the Illuminati that hardly anyone has heard of: "The International". However, it should be pointed out that this movie only touches on the financial side of the Cabal. For investigation into the satanic rituals, reference Eyes Wide Shut. For investigation into the torture and cannibalism, reference Hostel II. And if you want to know what is going on in the world, Q_anon.
#greatawakening
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Loon.
The calf being DJT
Buffalo bill is the representation of buffalo bill personality.
His belief is not an exaggerated version of change, he is mentally ill.
yeah you didn't watched everything, just seconds later he says "problem common to other characters on the film" and ironically he also says it's easy to see it as just that and not part of the themes.
Wait, you DON'T want people to share your video?
Wut?
Maybe he picked up the motif from her. He wanted something of her. Maybe he wanted to be her dream.
The transphobia in the comment section is... heavy, albeit obviously expected.
A Easy Starling
Manhunter is more interesting though.
Crawford, social justice? You've gotta be kidding. He is obviously associated with Hoover throughout. A-
Wrong. He killed Benjamin Raspale because his therapy was going nowhere and basically found him to be too tedious to live, not because of flute skills.
MK-ultra project Monarch butterfly control or Iron Man MK42 model Elon Musk or Monarch control of sex slave (gimp) in show business like Madonna. Or Clockwork orange Alex old fashioned MK-ultra(violence). Even Pulp Fiction Butch in golden watch story have butterfly painting and story about noble profession of soldier have very creepy mind control vibe (OK Chrisopher Walken is very creepy guy in all his movies), and butch is boxer fly like butterfly sting like a bee :) And just Hannibal Lecter we only character even counting extras feels good in his skin (no reference to Buffalo Bill LoL)