The Lovely Bones is Scarier than We Remember
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- čas přidán 15. 06. 2024
- ! Content warning: violence / sexual assault
In this video, we discuss some of the deep fears The Lovely Bones (movie and book) tries to illustrate.
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0:00 Intro
2:00 Stranger Danger Personified
8:47 Drawn-Out Grief
15:35 After Death - Zábava
I wanted to acknowledge the recent news: it’s come to light that Alice Sebold falsely accused an innocent man who spent 16 years in prison for a crime he didn’t commit. Meanwhile, the true perpetrator walked free. My heart goes out to Anthony Broadwater. It’s no secret that our criminal justice system tends to target / treat black men more unfavorably (especially when accused by white women), and because the case brought against him back in the ‘80s was so flimsy that seems to be what happened here. One note: this doesn’t take away from the reality that millions of people experience sexual assault and should seek justice. I hope we can acknowledge the injustices that happen to SA victims as well as the injustices of our legal system without invalidating one or the other.
It happens to white men as well, but it's kind of beside the point, which is the unreliability of eyewitness testimony, especially from someone who has been severely traumatized. The officers of the courts are well aware, or should be, of this problem. Juries find the testimony of assault victims who have misidentified their assailant very convincing because the victim truly believes her faulty memory. So you've got a woman who is already living with the trauma of the brutal assault that screwed up her own life being hit with the horror that she has destroyed the life of someone else -- an innocent man. The men in these cases I have heard about show nothing but compassion and forgiveness toward these women, which seems more amazing than it probably is because these men get it. Their lives were ruined by an irresponsible court system, by whom they should be richly compensated. Nothing can give back those wasted years, but a coupla million bucks wouldn't hurt. And what about the sorry son of a bitch who actually committed the crime? Can the two people whose lives were shredded by his actions ever overcome their rage and grief?
Thank you for discussing this. Very well said.
yup i think it’s important and sad to note the only reason people found out is when they started making the movie the directors started poking holes in her stories and decided to cut out anything to do with what the author claimed
I don’t know that *she* falsely accused him, since she couldn’t pick him from a lineup. The police caught the wrong guy and never put forth any efforts to find the right person
@Yi Tanjo This is more than just a black isseue.
the film gives closure to suzie, not the audience
OMG you're right. What an interesting perspective -- it's like we forget who's telling the story and what she wants, because we get wrapped up in the family and in our own feelings. But yeah, the ending is actually perfect when considered that it's Suzie's story and therefore Suzie's conclusion.
excellent response.
I havent seen this fiilm in a while. could u explain a bit more?
@@nadiakeaton5680 so basically susie is murdered by her neighbour and the movie jumps between susie's perspective of leaving the living behind and moving onto the afterlife (heaven), and also her family getting over her death. I feel like we're obviously going to empathise with the living more than the dead, and in the movie it is also heavily insinuated that her neighbour is planning on killing her sister as his next victim, and so throughout the film we just want to see her killer caught and punished. So it's kind of strange for us at the end when Susie briefly returns to earth and decides to kiss her crush rather than expose her murderer, because why would she just let him go free when he could kill other girls? but we forget that it's more about susie's healing rather than our own, and it's about her experiencing something she was robbed of because she was killed so young. So she gets her closure and can move on but we're left feeling really uneasy
@@maryjoanna8645 to further expand on your point, I would also say that the heavily criticized whimsical like scenes in the in between are needed because as you said. It's Susie's story. She has to come to terms with being dead. It's like they are saying that with death, the journey isn't over. She goes through the stages of grief herself with the anger and sadness etc. We see all the different perspectives from the killer, the victim and those left behind.
The "be polite" when she tried to leave is so subtly scary because it preys on how young kids and teens (in my experience girls especially) are constantly berated to be polite to older people because they are authority figures. He used what parents raise their kids with to pressure her into staying.
EXACTLY
Yeah we’re always taught to respect adults and listen to what they say and that they’re always right but teaching kids that can but them into dangerous positions when they are told to obey adults even though it feels wrong
It's called manipulation. You're absolutely right.
She was never going to get out polite or not and she knew it.
This is why I hated how adults use to pressure you to kiss them in certain cultures.
Fun fact: Stanley (who plays the murdering r4p1st) only agreed to play the role if he has a complete makeover wherein he’s does not look like himself. He did not want that character associated with him at all
But Stanley himself (the actor) was tattooed in my mind after watching that movie "The Lovely Bones". Whenever I see him on other movies or series after that, "The Lovely Bones" movie was the first thing that ring a bell on my mind. 😁
Seeing Stanley Tucci star as Mr Harvey in The Lovely Bones made me see him differently after I remembered other movies he starred in.
I understand him wanting that. Plenty of people who can't divorce a character from their actor and will hate an actor because they did an evil character well or whatever other reason they don't like a character
I got over my hate for this character through my Love of Stanley Tucci.
It's easy, he's amazing. I really loved him as Paul Child & I think he's about to Play Whitney Houstons manager which should be Amazing!
I remember him as Nigel 👠
“It’s a look too many young girls are familiar with seeing on grown mens faces.” That line got me. I hate how true it is.
Yup. That hit very hard because I think it's almost all of us (and some unfortunate boys as well.)
Yeah it's insane to assert that this only happens to women and girls, so many boys have the same fate as salmon but it's ignored. Ghoulish
@@zhadom1902 oh god yeh. Yeh ever heard the Candy man. Dean Corrl. His target was teenaged boys. It's one of the worst cases I've ever heard of.
And do you know what you are right. People were saying the boys must have been gay. Like that matters and it's not even true.
Whether they were or not doesn't matter. They weren't coming on to their killer at all. They were teen boys. The youngest was 13.
They never say that about a straight girl who was killed. Oh she must have been straight and come onto her killer.
Even the lad who was kidnapped for years by a pedophile Steven Stayner. From the age of 7. People were calling him gay as an insult after his escape. Even his family were embarrassed. As if he wasn't raped for 7 years.
Society is fucking sick.
Boys are seen as less innocent.
... EVERY SINGLE WOMAN HAS... the problem is... these women have that feeling misplaced about 95% of the time... and i'm not condemning or condoning... it's biological/primal caveman instincts.... it's the same reason you hear a leaf rustle in the forest and you dart a panicked glance in that direction immediately because your primal brain remembers predators and snakes even though 99% of the time it's just wind rustling leaves
@@zhadom1902 do grown women cat call you in your school uniform? do they hit on you randomly at the gas station just trying to pump gas. Do they insist that they should know your name and where you go to school? Have you been followed by a woman in a van riding beside you asking where’s your house I’ll take you. Women target young boys in a more calculated and subtle fashion. Male killers/rapists are twice as likely to stalk their victims as opposed to females. Shedding light on the relatability of that “look” does not diminish the pain of other victims.
is no one gonna talk about stanley tucci's range as an actor??? he played gay men roles in burlesque and devil wears prada and here he is as a serial killer traumatizing everyone. damn.
YES!!! He is so impressive!!!
Yes that is him! How I missed that one.🤦
Don’t forget hunger games!!
He was nominated for this
I didnt even realize it was him until I saw this video. I think the blue contacts threw me off.
But honestly, he wasn’t a stranger. He was her next door neighbor, she had watched her parents speak with him, she’d admired his roses, she trusted him enough to go with him bc he was her normal friendly neighbor
Yup 💔💔
Those are the great majority of cases, sadly
Stranger danger is no more.
That happened to me, we welcome their family into our home as they did with us. But I was treated differently and was taken advantage of as an 6yr old
@@zee3184 oh my god, I’m so sorry
The fact that Susie's body was never recovered upset me, but honestly, it's a much more realistic portrayal.
Yes especially because it’s set in the 70s so no DNA or anything really to help them 💔 so many girls gone and never found
Yea, it made the hurt we felt watching it linger. No real closure, just like the family. It was frustrating, but also made it that much stronger. Almost every crime serie, thriller, or horror movie gives us a beginning and an ending in the span of a few hours at most. But real-life pain, trauma, and grieve doesn't work like that. Still, time heals our wounds and working through pain cam bring a much deeper understanding of life and happiness :)
In the books a dog bites Susie's elbow and drag it to its owner.The book also elaborates that her body was cut in pieces but the movie chose not to show it.
There was actually supposed to be a scene that showed the SA more, but the actors were uncomfortable with the idea so it was cut from the movie. Probably a smarter choice not only for the actors' sakes but the audiences too, it also makes it a lot creepier and unsettling with it just being implied rather than shoved in our faces.
Really, I don't feel the SA cutscenes were necessary. Not only because the actress was a minor, but because the movie already makes you suffer and including scenes like that would make it much worse.
Your comment reminds me of the recent Brooke Shields documentary that showcased her earlier film career as a very young actress performing sexualising scenes with much older actors. Albeit in the late 70s/early 80s, but all the same, the discomfort of her scene-making and the ultimate sexualisation of herself and this depiction of the young female population at large as a result, really goes to show just how much society - life - imitates this sickening art. It's very sad and very disturbing (the reality, not your comment)😊
@annaskippings6256 brooke shields childhood breaks my heart 💔 she was even in a playboy knock off by Hugh hefner topless when she was 11 years old! Wtf??! How at any point in time is that OK? I remember seeing the film pretty baby and it horrified me that this little girl was being so sexualised. Same with the other film on the island with the boy when she 14- think its called Blue Lagoon? Just huge shame on her parents and the gross Hollywood weirdos that used her in that way 🤢💔
The tubes scene you can kinda guess what he did the white cloth over his face was a dead give away
Nothing is needed after all. But I do wish I would've been more traumatized by the emotions of such an experience. As it also is a way of invalidating and brushing these very real experiences of victims under the rug. Sorry if I sound like someone you disagree with, I really don't care anyway.
Most scary movies we can tell ourselves it’s just a movie. With this we can’t. It happens to real people. All the time. It’s real.
Sheesh true af
That is exactly why it's so scary - cause it's real.
thats the scariest part. the fact that this story could be ours or a family members 🧍♀️
Yeah
I'm terrified of becoming a parent (bit more of having a daughter) for that reason. Though, I know that overprotection isn't a way out either, children shouldn't be naïve, they should know that the real world can be ugly.
It's scary but you can't afford to make them soft either, what good is that anyway ?
Children need to learn jiu jitsu for sure.
I find it terrifying and terrifyingly sad that ALL women know what "that look", "that atmosphere" is. I saw this movie when I was around 13 and it scared me so bad because I have felt the same fear Susie experienced. I have been scared of being left alone with a man since I was 8, and if that isn't a proof of how fucked up the world is, then I don't know what is.
You truly made me realize that just now...since I was about 11 I understood "that look/that atmosphere" as well, what a sign of moral destitution....little innocent girls...makes me sick to my stomach.
I don't think most people realize how *young* children are when they DO know that atmosphere. That before you've even hit puberty, you know exactly what that feeling is. It's shown so, so accurately in that clubhouse. You want to get away right now because you feel unsafe, but to imply you feel unsafe would be *disrespectful* and it would be *rude* so you force yourself to remain quiet and obedient in a situation you feel unsafe in. Never press your child about how they shouldn't avoid that adult, or force them to associate with them to be polite. Let them avoid whoever they want to. Your child feeling safe is more important than being *polite* enough to some other person.
Yeah, I've understood how men could look at my body since I was
5. I have a memory of being in my red footie pajamas wondering if they hugged my body too much around my friend's brothers and being self conscious about how they looked at me. I WAS 5
I remember being 10 watching this movie for the first time and I was laying next to my sisters and I just cried so hard after work and I couldn’t go to sleep because the movie came on so late that I was up all night
I was 7 or 6 when my life just kinda changed. ever since I learned more about how This world is and how easily I can get hurt, kidnapped, or raped like wtf.
A friend of mine was stabbed to death in front of her family's apartment in broad daylight. No witness helped, but they sure talked about it to the reporters. For my dear friend it was not a stranger who hurt her but someone she lived with previously but she had escaped from. He said he did it out of love for her. I will always remember her how I knew her, but it breaks my heart that many more know her "that dead girl." She was a singer, a dancer, and an actress. She loved pasta (even though she had celiac, poor thing). She was a sister, a daughter, and just recently became an aunt (posthumously). Her family and friends love her and miss her.
I'm sorry love.
I‘m so sorry.
Oh gosh 😢❤
What piece of shits those witnesses are….
Ppl are cowards I swear
As a mother who’s son was murdered, the most disturbing part besides her murder, is they never found her body. I hated watching that safe sink because having a place for a proper burial and a special sanctuary to visit helps. The part I couldn’t relate to is the mother leaving. I know she was hurt but I want to be close to my other children. I have to keep eyes on them and they’re grown! I can’t understand a mother who could go through the agony of losing a child and still leave her other living children.
I'm so sorry for your loss
I'm so sorry for your loss
@@PlusUltraAdrian Thank you!
I'm so sorry. Your other children are very lucky to have such a strong mom like you.
@@menoguchi Thank you! I’m the lucky one…my children gave me a reason to keep going everyday💚🌷
The best thing about this movie is it gives the victim a voice. They always make movies and write books about serial killers and the victims are forgotten.
yepp, my first thought when i read this was “lolita”
Very true.
+++
This
Such a good point
Susie's screaming rage when she realizes she has been robbed of her life by this creep was pretty intense, I thought.
If you've seen the behind the scenes footage, you can tell just how emotionally difficult that part was for Saoirse.
It was a very intense.
This movie was painful to watch. I like to put myself in positions of characters depicted in movies. The way I love is too strong I feel like any of this would break me as a human being. It was a good but sad movie. I would not watch this movie again it made me depressed for a long time
@@jcap8391 I know how it is to lose a daughter. But mine died in an accident in 1993. People whose children are deliberately killed by someone have a whole extra dimension of crap to deal with that it's hard for me to imagine.
In any case, the pain of such a loss never goes away, although it gets different. After 27 years, the pain of her absence remains vast. There are days when I focus on it and days when I hardly notice it, but it's constantly there, like the sky.
In that part, when she sees the safe. She screams also because she realizes her body parts are in there. And the weight of what he did sinks in.
When I was a young tween, not understanding English very well yet, my family watched this movie because we thought it was gonna be a family movie. Never in my life at that time I have seen my father sob so much, he wasn't a very emotionally expressive person- (excluding his sister's funeral several years prior), and for a movie at that. He said he kept thinking about how he hopes this never happened to any daughter in the world because he never wanted the possibility of it to happen to me. Now that I understand the movie better, I am left broken with this memory. I cannot stop crying right now.
Now that my dear dad is gone, I can never rewatch this film ever again. It just now exists in my heart. The deep sadness of the film and the memory linked to it.
what a lovely father you had ❤
This just brought tears to my eyes. You had a wonderful father. Rest in peace
The most haunting part about this book/movie is just how close they get to the truth, but ultimately there is no justice
Maybe the scariest part tbh :(
This movie was the definition of “trust your instincts”
Unfortunately it also showcases how "trust your instincts" may be too late. Notice how she didn't have any instincts about going down into that bunker. How, she genuinely thought she was safe from harm until her instincts kicked in. By that point, it was too late. She had no way of getting out after she had a bad gut feeling. I imagine that's how other bad things happen. People aren't suspicious until it's too late. This is why we have to warn people about certain cons and things so that they don't end up failed by instincts that never happen.
@@mickymacanori1768 It's not even necessarily about instincts. The instinct to trust in authority (in an adult) is STRONG at that age, hell, at any age and it can be more powerful than the instinct of self-preservation or mistrust. Standing up for yourself, as well as setting boundaries even when it means being rude, especially to an authority, is a learned skill, and even plenty adults don't have it. And sometimes standing up for yourself is actually more dangerous, while with "playing along" there's a chance you'll be left alone if you behave. Many people in dangerous situations just freeze because of this (and freezing includes going along with whatever's asked of them). Add to this the problem of people, especially girls/women, being actively socialised from an early age to be polite and not make a scene - hell, even the gut instinct, or "woman's intuition", is denigrated as something flimsy and unreliable when it's a woman experiencing it.
Something really bizarre happens when you're reasonably alone with someone you don't really trust but who's not technically being threatening. I'm a grown woman and yet I've been in situations where strange men started asking me (pretty personal) questions like what my name is, what I study, where I live, etc., down to asking me to add them on Facebook (which I did, despite telling them I barely used it... unfriended them when I got home). It is RIDICULOUSLY difficult to just say "I don't want to talk to you" and walk away - instinctually you act polite, answer them with truths and half-truths or soft lies, and wait until they "let" you leave/let the conversation end. I cannot emphasise how strange it is to find yourself doing that, as if compelled by an ancient lizard brain, when you usually have no issue telling people off for smoking on the bus or being too loud in a study room. It's impossible to imagine or relate to unless you've been in this situation.
@@Hekateras You know what, you're so right. I have been coerced into many uncomfortable experiences and situations by men that made me unfortunately, by just not being able to say no. I froze up many times. I guess now that I can say "No" as easy as I can breathe (as you said, it was definitely a learned thing and had to be practiced), I had a different perspective. You provided a great in-depth explanation on it!
@@mickymacanori1768 It's interesting because there have been a few times in my life when I feel like my instincts did protect me. They were times when this really intense fear and sense of alarm just hit me out of no where, and without even thinking about it I left a situation or stood up for myself without thinking about "Am I being rude?"...in the moment.
I believe that this was instinct because there was nothing, outwardly, about the situation, that should triggered such a strong and urgent sense of alarm.
However, I did still find myself second guessing myself afterward when I felt safe again. Wondering if I'd done the right thing or if I had been too rude in the situation.
So trusting your instincts is a difficult thing, even in times when it does come naturally to you, because you kind of talk yourself out of doing it the next time.
@@mickymacanori1768 Jesus, reading some of your guys' experiences, I've never been so happy that I was an antisocial asshole of a kid shaped by my dad telling me to question ALL authority and trust nobody, ever, not even him.
I had no friends and hated everyone, but at least I didn't have any pedophiles all up in my shit either.
I think the reason he was never caught in the movie is to show how often rapists and murderers DONT get caught. They often live long full lives
@Paul WT Actually, that scene is assumed to be years after the girl's death. It's more akin to the common saying 'what goes around, comes around'.
@Paul WT worst of both worlds narratively but still a very realistic ending
This. One of the worst things about the ´long, full life´ is knowing they will continue to offend and in many cases, will continue to have access to more victims.
@@shaymaamahmoud6739 absolutely. It’s very sad and sickening
It's true, I found out something disturbing about someone I knew after they died.
I like that he went out with a whisper. People like him are too often given a lot of notoriety, I like that he went out with no fanfare. no one noticed, no one will miss him, , and everyone in that world is better for it.
I think the reason this movie is so disturbing and heartbreaking is because it’s too real. It may be a movie but stuff like this happens everyday is innocent people. So so sad
What touches me most with this film is when Susie's mother finally enters her room and makes her bed. Susie finally has her *own* moment of closure and is able to finally go. And that last quote... "I was here for a moment, and then I was gone." Wow.
That part is so moving, her mom was finally ready to heal, so Susie could move on. And that last line always gets me too! Feels like a grounded and comforting way to frame it all, and a way to suggest that ‘life goes on’.
I cry every single time at that part
She's not at peace and nor will her family be
@@kaleahcollins4567 Well they don't actually exist, so I don't think it matters 🤷♂️
@@dinkledankle Oh, they do exist. Tens of thousands of them do...
as a woman seeing suzie become uncomfortable in the field and in the bunker was so heartbreaking, and terrifying. it’s a different kind of fear no one wants to talk about how scary it is.
You hit the nail right on the head !! I think all women have been in that kind of situation at some point in their lives and all the women and girls that don’t live to tell the tale makes my heart heavy
Your stomach just drops and your heartbeat sounds so loud in your head. Fight or flight. Its terrifying. Every time im in a parking lot at night or going to my car from my work. Its not fun.
I think men understand this too . Just speaking for me but i felt that shit
@@leewatson9061 did you ever run from the cops ?
@@averagezyzzenjoyer5630 yes but for a very stupid reason .
What frustrated me the most was how the film missed out something critical from the book, which would totally have changed the ending for the non book readers. In the book, in heaven Suzie and the others discuss the perfect murder, and Suzie explains her weapon of choice would be an icicle, as it would melt, leaving no trace of the murder weapon. So when that's how he dies, it's perfect. V sad this was missed out of the film, as it's so poignant!
Maybe they intentionally left that out
@@quincyferdanand3125 why would they intentionally leave what sounds like a great scene out
I'd loved to see that in the movie
@@imakewhateverlol4443 For me. It feels like Susie got tainted by the murderer. A part of her becomes him. A killer.
You're saying that she's in Heaven, talking about how to kill someone leaving without a trace.
Sure, the guy is pure scum. But it might give the feeling that she MIGHT end up like him in the second life. A form of over correction to what happened to her.
So not Only does she become "the lost girl". A part of a list of names most people won't remember. she unintentionally, even dead, looks like she's continuing his legacy of violence.
@@imakewhateverlol4443 it makes it more heartbreaking. There’s not justice, not some poetic vengeance for them. It’s just tragedy, without a solution or closure
this film makes me bawl my eyes out. “i wish you all a long and happy life” hurt me so deeply
I can't sit through it without breaking down. Just watching this video made me tear up
They most clean the movie from internet women write the story was lied about her r#pe and send s guy to jail for 16 years
@@Amen-Magi Source?
I was in a similar situation as Susie when I was in high school, I was walking home from school. When a guy approached me in his car and asked if I wanted a ride home. I was all alone on that street, not even a human insight. I never had such a panic in my life, I replied "No, thank you my house is just around the corner." And he kept on insisting to the point of stopping his car and got out, once he did. Out of nowhere this lady who was walking behind me grabbed my hand. And said "Darling I've been looking for you looks like you went ahead." I've never felt a sense of relief and panic in my entire life. It was as if my whole life went before me, she walked with me all the way home.
That woman is a hero. I'm glad you got away. I've had people try this when I'm walking during the day and even then it's super scary.
Something similar happened to a girl I know, but she ignored the woman too. Turned out to be the right move, the woman was in cahoots with the man.
@@KyrieFortune Exactly!! Always be aware of everyone
This brings to mind stories of women knocking on a door to a random house and saying that’s their aunt’s house or their grandma’s house or their dad’s house or whatever and enthusiastically greeting them and when the bewildered homeowner sees the look on their face, they play along and let the woman in.
She’s my new idol
This movie was more scary, unsettling and disturbing than any slasher, ghost and monster movie combined. And that is because you know that stuff like that is happening all the time in real life.
2 be honest this movie still makes me cry 😭😭
I think the most fucked up part of this movie is the family never found her body. That SoB buried her ina land fill
Humanity is the most terrifying threat to its own survival. Always has been, like wtf?
Exactly!
In real life and in real time. As I write this comment, there’s another Susie (regardless of age) lurking around somewhere here in New York and she won’t see the sunrise in a few hours. It’s unsettling and true when you consider how many people exist
i love that when she gets the chance to come back, she doesnt tell them who killed her or what was happening, she had her first kiss. she got the one experience she was so looking forward to. i loved that
Yeah people are pretty upset by that but it's such a 14yo girl thing to do. I'd probably do the same thing lol
I know I would tell who the killer is and take action, I would end up such a vengeful spirit in order to get justice. In the book tho, they did way more than kissing with the boy...
@@kalliskivike what did they do in the book?
@@hskyforger they "slept" with each other while she was using another girl body as a way to say goodbye. I found that very unnecessary and glad the movie did'nt do that....
Don’t know if it’s just me, it felt a bit out of character; the one thing she could’ve saved (the safe) to help get rid of the killer and at the very least give her family some peace of what had happened but then instead chooses a boy (maybe I read a little too into this lol)
I remember growing up my mom used to tell me to never believe anything a stranger would say. The very obvious scenarios were of course talked about so many times, no rides from strangers, not going in the elevator with stranger, not accepting treats or toys or going anywhere to aquire them with anyone you don't know. But I particularly remember these odd scenarios my mom mentioned - never trust someone if they come up to me and say something terrible happened to your mom/dad,.any relative or friend and you must come with them immediately, never help old people past the point where no people can observe you (and rightely so, there was a terrible story of an old lady luring in kids to her flat for her son to rape and kill them), never wear headphones on streets that are not crowded. Never open a door to a stranger that is asking for help (saying they are wounded or need to use a phone, I was always instructed to call and ambulance or the police they could help this person). I remember thinking how paranoid this is and not very kind, and later learning that all these instructions came from actual stories that my mom saw on the news. That really shocked me. It's so f*d that kids/people have to live in the world where instructions like these are valid.
For me, my dad would always tell me to say back to him never go to a secondary location before I went out (in my elementary years) and if a “friend” of my parents told me that if either one of my parents were injured and had to pick me up. These scenarios played in my head and what to do, this movie gave me back that fear, just a little
The story about the old lady is sick
Fun fact: Stanley Tucci only agreed to do this movie if they completely changed his appearance. He didn’t want to be recognized at himself or have people his appearance with this movie / character
cant blame him. He did such a good job with the character. It would be like the actress who played umbridge. Actress is a lovely lady but i cant help but associate the hate for umbridge.
Very good call on his part, 20/10
Smart move.
Umm, I could totally tell that was him 😂😂
Like they do Gaboury the girl who plays Precious.
It destroyed me that her body would never be found and his victims were just discarded and forgotten. Such a sad thing. Also I was pissed off that he didn’t face justice.
It destroyed me how that was so sadly realistic
Sad as it is, that was the movie's best statement... That reality in most cases looks like this, so we as society should do our best to protect children as best as possible. And of course adults who might be in danger aswell
At least the fucker died. :/ But yeah, this movie is so sad & creepy. 😰
Well, that's the ugly truth. There are many who is still out there roaming around trying to get their next victim. . such a sad world😥
@@Shythalia Sadly, death isn't justice. And while in the movie his death isn't natural and gives somewhat of a closure (albeit an unsatisfying one), in reality, how many of them live their life to its end without having ever received the punishment they would deserve? Too many do not ever face justice.
And even when justice is done, it sadly does not take away the crimes they perpetrated. The wounds they made, the void they created are there forever, they may heal but the scars will not go away.
So yeah...It's a sad and depressing facet of reality that this movie manages to show.
As someone who lost a child the same way... I rewatched this movie and the fact it is very accurate on how the parents fight, the sibling can't speak... The fact so many murders do not get caught or get caught and the system allows them to slip away even with all the evidence... As the parent you have to walk by knowing that that person's out there you see him in the store you see them living their life with their family feeling Joy ,while you die more each day and shower in your misery because your child can not have the life deserved like that murderer p.o.s can. You stay up late nights wondering how they could get away... wondering how the system could be so negligent and act as if nothing happened a throw away not just the memory of your child and their Justice but the families and friends and spit on the face of not just that victim but all those victims before them that could not get the justice they deserve... The sad reality is most victimes don't get Justice or their cases an not important enough to air on the TV on the radio even on social media.... No amount of therapy no amount of sitting back and counting your blessings will take away that pain will allow you to live a day without knowing my life will never be normal,his siblings lives will never be normal... As the parent when people ask you the question how many children do you have do you say three or do you say two because one isn't physically seen..... All you can do is keep your head above water and just keep swimming and hope not to drown because when the days get dark they get very dark...
God Bless 🙏🏾💜, may God protect over you & your family. I’m so sorry 🙏🏾💜
I am so incredibly sorry for your loss...
You’ll always be the mother to that child. I’m very sorry for your loss and thank you for informing us about your experience 💙
I’m so sorry for your loss… losing a member of ur family… especially a child is something you don’t recover from. You are right, you just keep swimming each day trying to make sure ur head doesn’t go below the water
Sami, I absolutely know how you feel on one level. My only child died in an accident 29 years ago. The day she died, I remember feeling relieved that she was my only child because I couldn't imagine dealing with the grief of other children in addition to my own. I don't know how long it has been since you lost yours, but I have often thought of people like you, who had a child that someone deliberately destroyed, and I have tried, in vain, to imagine that extra burden of pain on top of the pain I already have, which will be with me until I die. If you lose your husband, you're a widow; a child without parents is an orphan. You not only have kept going on after the loss that leaves us nameless, but you have another empty space where justice oughta be. I think there is a name for you: Hero. You have a lot to continue going on for, and you will go on, but I know you can never move on -- from this "thing." That is too much to ask of yourself; you'll save a lot of energy just letting go of that idea if you find yourself carrying it around. I only hope that you can come to terms with it and find some happiness in a life that still has a lot to offer. I hope that eventually you'll be able to put this wild horse in the barn with the understanding that it's going to bust out and trample you sometimes. It will always come out, but as time goes by, maybe it won't be as often. Or it'll just come out and graze. Sometimes.
My heart, and my husband's, are with you.
Personally, I always saw Susie’s time in limbo as more of a metaphor for how many can react to trauma via burying oneself in enjoyable things, even if it’s alone or just with a single friend. It isn’t until night hits, when the lights are off, when you’re alone, that you’re forced to remember and confront the horrors you went through.
In reality, we can never know if those who die traumatic deaths have to accept the horror of it in order to pass on, but for those of us who went through traumatic events and survived, we do have to confront them daily, and accept them, and heal, in order to move on.
This was so upsetting. My cousin’s best friend was kidnapped, ra*ed, and murdered when we were 13. This hurt in a way no movie has hurt me before. She was like my sister. I still have the sweatshirt she wore in her last school picture. The guy was a tattoo artist (in Bremerton, WA) that everyone knew. Her name was Bunnie Lynn Brown. Her name matters. His doesn’t mean a thing.
Did this happen back in 1988?
Jessica Hurley ‘87
@@mgfunkera I just read the story and omg it broke my heart. I’m so sorry this happened I could not imagine the pain your family has went through.
Jessica Hurley It’s just crazy to this day. When I go home to Bremerton & Silverdale (I live in Seattle), I can’t look at the woods the same. I just hope he’s getting what he deserves.
@@mgfunkera that’s understandable, and I definitely hope he does as well, that guy is a monster. I honestly don’t understand how people become so evil.
this movie was only 2 hours long but felt like days
and if you watch this because you like the actor and did not expect this movie to be PURE TRASH.
it felt like 2 days for me because i had to keep pausing it because i was crying so much lmao
The Book was better
I love the movie and I don't even know who the actors are.
I watched it in class so it took us like 2 weeks to watch it coz we only had the class twice a week
I was always a very obedient, polite child but I was also a child that didn’t trust anyone due to all the stories my grandmother would warn me about and the fact my dad was crazy and I couldn’t really trust his judgement. Anyways, when I was about 13 I started having a bad feeling about a neighbor when I would walk to school. He first started saying good morning like most people do but then he started asking me questions and the questions just started getting more personal. I felt obligated to be polite and answer but one day he was asking a lot and he told me he could give me money. This reminded me of what my grandmother told me about people offering money or candy to get your guard down so I told him if I needed money my parents would give it to me. He grabbed my arm and started pulling me into his property and told me he would show me where he had the money in case I needed it. I got so enraged I started screaming at him and yanked my arm away and then pushed him down and told him I was going to tell my dad. He backed off and left me alone when he noticed the neighbors had come outside to see what all the commotion was about. It was a very scary moment for me and sadly was not the last time I felt unsafe walking to school.
That's crazy. Did you ever get to tell your parents?
The scene that gets me every time is where Suzy sees what happened to the other girls, the youngest being 5. I was SA when I was 5, I didn’t know what was happening, I never really had any fear, even when it hurt, I was mainly just so confused. I always grew up believing it would have been worse had I been older and known what he was doing. That would have made it a lot scarier. I still feel like I’m lucky to be alive myself. After he did what he did, he was relying on me (5) not telling anyone what he did, he had to have known I would tell eventually, which I did a year later. A person panicked is like that saying about backing a dog into a corner. One of two things happens, they cower or they attack. He chose to flee
I was 7. I didn't know it was sa too, even though stuff was put inside of me by an adult. I just thought it was cruel. I had all the symptoms of it and I developed ptsd, but I'm glad back then I didn't realize the full extend of what was happening to me.
My condolences to you, that is just sickening. SA is terrible in itself, but to attack a defenseless child is just mind boggling to think about. I’m sorry you had to live through that yourself, you were very brave to tell someone. Fear would’ve hold me back at that age. Especially at 6.
thank you for this, your dog backed into a corner analogy on perpetrators has just helped me understand why mine is still keeping in contact with me. He's cowering and trying to placate me so I don't tell. thank you, you may have just saved my life.
The scene where the dad helped push her body into the landfill and having it filled hurt me the most. They would never find her body... her dad was so close so many times. I wanted to scream and cry
is not the dad tho???? it was the land owner i think
the scene where the dad in the sinkhole was when she's still alive throwing out old refrigerator with her siblings.
@@hanindhira oh shit was it the landowner ?
I think it was just her dad was literally a step behind everything Harvey was doing. It was so nerve wracking
@@EllieUchiha17 have you read the book??? AAAHH it's al frustrating and horrifying
@@batmanunicornio sadly 😭 I read the book first. I’m still haunted
@@EllieUchiha17 how did Susie die
The thing I find The most unsettling about this movie is the scene where Mr. Harvey is trying to convince her to come with him and the things he says to convince her to stay. He says all of the right things. I was taught when I was a little girl not to go with strangers for any reason even if they tried to tell me that they knew my family or that I can trust them. But Mr. Harvey such a good job of convincing her that I don’t know if when I was a little girl I would have fallen for it or not.
I feel the same, when they are inside and he says she has to be polite, i felt it deep, when i was a little girl my mom told me so many times that i needed to be polite, and specially with adults...
She was also in the middle of a field. I think if she tried to run, she wouldnt have been chased and caught anyway
I'm glad his dialogue in that scene wasn't super stereotypical.
Also he... Wasn't quite a stranger. He was a neighbour. And there's that emphasis on being neighbourly. Doing things for the neighbourhood. So... It wasn't as weird that he made the fort from her perspective. And she would have felt indebted.
And yea the polite thing. That's... Yea.
That goddamn polite thing. There's a reason why I'm always so angry at "teach manners above all else" style parenting (or even fucking "therapy" *cough* ABA *cough*).
A child is their own person. They should feel free to say no to situations that makes them feel uncomfortable. Provided it's not like... Something necessary, such as medical treatment for example - but it's important to explain _why_ they need to go through with it. But something like giving a hug to a relative when they don't want to? Fucking don't force em jfc! You're not teaching em politeness you're teaching em that their bodily automy has exceptions.
That's what predators do. Either they get you when you least expect it, or offer you whatever it is you're interested in. The angler fish.
I think her version of heaven fits because it think it fit the sort of person she was, full of innocence, creatvity, and still full of life that was yet unlived. I think that was what Jackson was trying to portray in that version of heaven. What it looked like for her and the children that didn't get to fully live their lives. That the possibility to still live life despite these events was still endless however fantastical that appeared. This was a great essay though and I agreed with many of your points. def earned a subscriber.
I remember being incredibly unnerved by this movie. The feeling of relief I had when she ran away - and then realizing she hadn’t really escaped. It shook me to my core. More than any horror movie.
The scene where Susie’s murderer is chasing her sister is absolutely terrifying. The whole thing made me so nervous
Especially when she fell out of the window and couldn't get up for a moment, because of her fall. I was like 'please get up, please get up, please hurry up, please get up!'
Yes everyone in the theatre were screaming and then clapping !
@@john-ni3pi then she stops because mom came back, so ridiculous that would have been the perfect news, I found her killer, closure and everything.
is Lindsey her elder or younger sister?
@@ellenne5228 younger :)
I like that it gave attention to victims and their families rather than just the murderer. I wish the media would do more of the same. I think it would increase empathy for the destruction to so many lives murder causes rather than just the immortilization and near glory murderers get now.
I definitely agree!
Highly agree!!
THIS 💯. Which is exactly my personal criticism of news presenting. Victims are reduced to nothing more than the shadows of the sensationalized crimes of these perpetrators, even worse, nothing more than numbers or a body in some alley. Though I understand the need for swiftness and conciseness these articles/reports should have, the media should start utilizing its power to remodel the way we take in information so that just like you said, empathy could finally thrive.
I recommend you to watch the documentary 'the three deaths of marisela escobedo'. Absolutely raw and powerful, you can find it on netflix
That's why I love this movie. It felt like something new, like something you've never seen a horror movie focus on. But it felt like the right way to portray it. Nobody should give more attention than needed to the murderer, it's what they want.
I like the CGI effects because they don't make you feel comfortable. She didnt want to be there, she shouldn't want to stay. It's in between because you can't stay there, it gave me a feeling of being trapped. Being stuck. It was empty, it was just a place from where she can watch over the living but not living through anything herself. The things like the ball floating on the water that the girl from the ditch had gave me chills.
I read the book in 2002. I was 11, just starting middle school, and had already experienced sexual assault and suicidal ideation. It was the first book for adults I ever read and had always stuck with me. My reading teacher gave me the book after I read through the whole children's library in her classroom. It really resonated with me. Susie felt like a kindred spirit, a friend. Thank you for exploring this movie, loved the video!
As unsatisfactory as the ending was it's definitely very realistic, no body to bury, killer remains unknown, families never knowing exactly what happened to their children. It's sad but it's one of the most honest films.
i think he was found to be the killer but when the cops went to his house he was already gone
another girl pushed him and he died
My vote turned this into a 666, my legacy shall remain
@@pulan7974 he wasn’t pushed. He lost his footing and fell
@@doublenaut443 Her sister figured it out at first, but yes, he disappeared, and they never found him or her.
The worst part for me is when it shows you his other victims.... so disturbing.
Oh god don’t remind me 😞
When they showed his younger victims in the water. That scene always traumatized me
THEY WERE JUST BABIES! THE YOUNGEST COULDN'T HAVE BEEN MORE THAN 4/5!
@@AngelMartinez-lm7cu the youngest was like 5/6 I can't remember
That was thw worst part for me. I started looking into ditches and things after seeing that scene as a teenager thinking maybe I could help find a lost person 😞
I'm a dad, my kid's a teen, and I must admit that this movie is among of the scariest, saddest and most painful movies a parent can ever see.
That’s what I liked about Susie’s paradise. It did seem isolating and eerie even though it was a paradise. It didn’t take away the idea she was murdered. It infact made her death seem so much more heartbreaking to see such a beautiful dream in a horrible situation. It scared me more with that scene as a kid
Watching this film just reminds me how important it is for women to talk about these issues with each other. Educate young women and girls, don’t think they are too young to understand. You must tell them that they are not alone and that their safety is more important than being polite or nice.
i think it’s men who need the educating more but i see what ur saying.
@@josiegarcia2236 I loved reading that. Thank you
@@josiegarcia2236 I totally agree. I just want young women to not feel alone when they are harassed or hurt by men.
@@josiegarcia2236 I guess “inform” or “talk openly about” is more what I meant in my initial comment
@@josiegarcia2236 i wonder,what could be more educating that what we already have. I surely never seen rape,abuse and violence toward women as being praised,not now,not 40 years ago,and not even 400 years ago,to give you and idea. Some things are simply like they are,it is not a matter of "boys will be boys" but of " it is what it is"
When she emerged from the bunker and we thought she got out , but she actually died 😭
When I tell you I was pissed. 😠
That’s was literally so sad
Rt I remember watching this at 13 really thinking she got out and my mom was like she died 🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@allaboutbeebo4092 man my dumb ass was watched by myself. I got kept skipping parts mostly the part where he was in the bathtub. I was like what trippy shit is going on 😭🤡. It wasn’t until later I realized she was dead.
Omg I was straight up sobbing
I think an important unsettling aspect of this movie is the serious supernatural undertones. At first, you think Suzie's afterlife is just symbolism. But by the end we can clearly tell she is LITERALLY there. The in-between really really freaks me out.
Why would it freak you out?! The problem i have is too mNy peiple see the reality we live in as the only reality. Reality is an illusion, and if i were to go a step further the movie version didnt go far enough. Susie shouldve changed herself into other creatures of her choosing. Id rather be a bird, a fox or any other creature than a boring plain human. I guess that would scare someone as boring as you even more.
@@brialapoint2608 lol you're taking this too seriously... afterlife and weird concepts don't freak me out, but the AESTHETICS of the in between scare me. Calm down
I think the whole deal with “the in-between” is that it’s showing her denial, made explicit in the “I’m alive” line. This overarching theme of grief isn’t just in her family and friends. It’s just as much her journey through grief and processing her own death. Of course it’s silly and outlandish and fantastical, it’s her distracting fantasy, her way of coping with death. That’s why it falls apart
When he said “be polite, you have to be polite” gave me chills to the core. The fact that I grew as a kid with the idea that I HAD ti be polite and friendly even if I were uncomfortable arround certain adults, and how he used to calm her down and somehow manipulate her to kill her. That’s just too heavy
One of the lessons my mom imparted on me from the time I was four was if anyone tried to take me or lure me away was scream “You’re not my mom/dad!” Make a scene and fight if need be. I’m grateful now that I look back on it. I’ve read other stories where because someone made a scene, someone came to their defense or they were found really quickly when they went missing because other people remember seeing them have to yell at a creep.
Also very important to teach that its not only males who can be dangerous but women just as equally. I have an older female neighbor that just for some odd gut reason she doesn't sit well with me when it comes to my young daughter. Always trust that feeling and never be afraid to hurt someone's feelings. Being nice is never worth putting yourself or child in an uncomfortable and potentially dangerous situation.
This is what predatory men says to girls and women. BE POLITE. BE KIND. DON'T BE RUDE. It makes it easy for them to corner you and make you submit to them.
You don't have to be polite if you feel uncomfortable, you can say your uncomfortable if you feel it's what's necessary
my mom always made it very clear that if we felt uncomfortable around anyone, even family members, then to let her know. even something as simple as hugging a family member, they would make a big deal if we didn’t do it but my mom never made us even if it wasn’t “polite”. im super thankful of her for that.
Notice how the murderer tells her to "be polite" 😡
Society expects girls and women to "be polite" and it's to our very detriment at times.
I wasn’t raped(luckily) but a friend of our family wanted to touch me(even when my parents were inside the house) and he started connecting with my by being kind and told me that I should be like my moms boyfriend’s daughter(his niece) that I should be polite to people and well I think they(pedos/rapists) tell their victims to be polite to make them behave more vulnerable so they can rape them
Yes this is so true and I wasn’t thinking of it but they tell us to be polite because as women we feel well we have to act a certain way and blah blah blah wouldn’t happen at least that’s what society tell us and that’s why she went quiet she thought maybe I should be nice and this wouldn’t happen.
@@steven401ytx I’m sorry about that and that’s not why it happened they are just a rapist nothing you do can cause your rape. But are you trying to invalidate what was said because that would be an incorrect takeaway from what was said.
@@steven401ytx It wasn't your fault. Nothing in the world and I mean nothing causes you to be at fault for rape. I hope you are doing well despite that incident.
Both girls and boys should be though to defend other or at least themselves. Niceness doesn't equal goodness.
Sad thing is that women in general and young boys are physically weak, that's what makes such movies hard to watch.
the way the minute suzie goes into that hole with him you can tell whats going too happen,the way she doesnt speak much and is shy but still trying to be polite even though she feels like a prey animal is so heartbreakingly realistic for every girl and young woman made a victim by a man. I remember in the book i believe while she was SAd all she thought was about how her mother would be putting dinner on the table and she wouldn't be their this movie and book might be hard to watch and upsetting but this is reality and thats why its so scary
The thing you pointed out about our modern mentality and how grown women are so alert to these dangers really gave me chills. The whole scene in the cornfield when he lured Susie in I was mentally screaming over and over, “RUN! NO SUSIE! RUN!” As for the ending, it was certainly unsatisfactory in the sense that he didn’t get put on trial and everything, but the thing is that even though there was evidence for Susie there really wasn’t for the others. And the defense would have done their best to exclude that evidence and people would have made excuses. Even today they often get off easy with only a few years to serve. So, I saw the ending through a different lens. Perfect? No. But I saw it as the only way that he’d truly be punished without hurting anyone else. No one was responsible for his death besides himself. And Susie’s family would hear about his body being found and they wouldn’t have to go through the torment of trial, which it is for so many victims.
If somone can be imprisoned for 16 years, and denied employment or the ability to be part of their community, based on junk science and unreliable testomony, then I would say that the defense against wrongful conviction is too weak.
My mom made me watch this movie as an early teen. She did it in an attempt to really get me to understand how TRULY CREEPY some mfs are.
Smart mom
Can be traumatic but sadly the world we love in
Mine too lol
I want to do this and I’ve always thought that was best for young children, so they are aware. Not to be so naive even to “the friendly neighborhood guy” that waves all the time. And babysitters. May I ask, how did that affect you? Would you recommend from the child perspective? If you don’t mind? And pardon my intrusion, I don’t mean to be rude in anyway pardon, if this is offensive. I mean no harm.
I think I’m going to watch it with my daughter. Kids need to know
When she starts to realize that her being in that club house wasn't a good idea and the panic and dread and fear. I cried. All too familiar. Rip to the children that were never found and those that were found 😔
The mood immediately made me feel so uneasy, like I could sense something was wrong there.
Same.. the actor who played the murder did such a good job.
@@mathiasgrun630 oh?
@@sou9472 ah damn my nosy ass wants to know what they said lmao
@@ashlyn_h.m2914 samee. But more awfully curiosity-inspiring is what @Angel Nunu wrote, which makes me feel so ashamed of myself- replacing that with gratitude that she's here and here's to hoping her life has seen healing and is now peaceful. I'm pretty sure I both read and watched TLB, but it feels like forever ago. I think I was still a teenager when I read the book and maybe still, when the movie came out. I've never seen it since but just watching this review made me feel so uneasy... it's such a horrifying thought, and the author is right: violence, unfortunately, is very much a part of life. And it's haunting, in its aftermath. It lingers like the smell of a person after they've left their home.
Stanley Tucci and Saioirse Ronan’s performances were amazing. Mr Harvey was terrifying and the scene with Lindsay inside his house was really hard to watch, it was that suspenseful.
According to some sources, Stanley Tucci was so stressed on his role as Mr. Harvey that Saoirse Ronan gave him a hug to calm down.
The most upsetting part of this movie is that this poor girl's ghost has to watch Marky Mark try to piece together an extremely obvious mystery, and then do it too late.
I was visiting my boyfriend and his parents in France when I was 20 years old. I was walking back from the metro to their house when a man pulled his car over to stop me on the street. He struck up a conversation and I was trying to be friendly because I didn't know what else to do. He started asking where I was from and I told him California. He then said he had never kissed an English girl and wanted to kiss me. I said no, but he kept asking, so I ran. He got in his car and followed me down the street. I kept running and trying to flag cars down, but no one stopped. He sped up and pulled his car over, got out and started to jog towards me. I saw an old man on foot and asked him to help me as I pointed towards the man running towards me. He told me to run and confronted the creep. I got away. I am so grateful I ran into that old French man 😭 he saved me and I have no idea what would have happened next.
Im so sorry that happend to you , im glad youre ok . Despite the darkness of this world some people choose goodness .That old man have a blessed life after he saved you . May the world filled with this kind of people .
french man saves you from french man
@@lalajean452 thank you, love 💓
@@soph4002 I’m so sorry, love. I’m glad you’re okay💜
Let's just say that unless your dad is Liam Neeson, it probably wouldn't have ended well.
As a woman, this movie is TERRIFYING. The whole neighbor thing, her body... Like it's too real
“aS a WoMaN”
As a woman.
It is. To this day I’m still terrified of something like that ever happening.
@@07foxmulder Fox Mulder would never leave such a stupid and condescending comment.
@@07foxmulder Yes, as a woman. Most women are taught from an early age that this could happen to us, it's scary.
This is one of the saddest movies of all time right up there with the boy in the striped pajamas. technically, she DID know him he was the neighbor she and her parents said hi to everyday. My favorite part of the movie is how her sister got to her age and she got true revenge: she removed his ability to hide and made HIM the hunted.
Still one of my favourite movies to watch! I still cry when watching it. At first I was the same as everyone, feeling disgusted, empty and unsettled. However, I've been through life experiences, it became comforting. Comforting because it shows the stages of grief, it shows that sometimes we won't get the justice and closure we want but, it also shows how to overcome it and still continue with life. The ending where her mom comes home and finally accepts Suzie's death by entering her room, shows a sense of freedom, release and a new beginning. Which happens after something tragic, we can still love and be free even if we lose something or someone dear to us. I used to cry tears of pain, but I cry tears of joy now. It's the reality of life... its beautiful and tragic at the same time.
The worst scene for me was when Susie watched Mr. Harvey wash her own blood off himself, her charm bracelet on the sink.
And watching Susie meet the other dead children.
Her scream in that scene is chilling
And their backstories :^(
@@doodoodoodle that’s what hurt me the most
I hated that they changed Hollys story.
She wasnt a victim of Mr.Harvey. She's a Vietnamese girl killed during the war. In the US in 1972 Susies death is freakish and noteworthy.
Holly is just one more victim of an unjust war-a lot of Vietnamese kids died.
Some killed by the Viet Cong, some killed by American soldiers.
The same thing is happening to girls like Holly in Syria, Afghanistan, N.Korea.
Let’s just say that creeped me off. He played on Sabrina the Teenage Witch, and oh my lord I was freaked out.
His end was the way he left his victims, lost. He didn’t get attention for his murders he didn’t become anything but dead.
Oh god I really wanted to hear this from someone.Thank u
While unsatisfying, it's exactly what he deserved. No attention. No interviews. No pictures in the paper. Just an insignificant death.
At least his victims had people who loved them and missed them. The loss of those girls left holes in people's lives. No one missed him or cared.
@@brittneybrisbin744 I’m sure they found his body and had an obituary and said poor man. But since his crimes were never uncovered he his memory of him was false
@@whitedragoness23 That's true.
What actually should be focused on is not ‘stranger danger’, but ‘strange behavior’.
Which means, regardless of whether you know someone or not, you’re always aware ahead of time if their behavior is something you can trust or not.
For a long time I kept my sexual abuse/assault experience to myself thinking it had no impact on me heck it was something I would take to the grave with me. But when someone else in the family got abused by my same perpetrator I decided to come forward with my story. If I didn't do it for myself I did it for others to protect them to prevent more victims. Not long after my cousin came forward also about her being sexual abused by her adopted father. At that point I realized how common sexual abuse is around here and makes me physically sick. We as victims have forgiven our perpetrators not because they deserve it but for our own sanity our peace and for us to be able to move on. Anytime I can tell about my story I do because I want everyone to be aware of the people in their surroundings. We're surrounded by predators. In our cases it were men that were supposed to give keep us safe but did the opposite. In my case my abuser was a man that was an angel to everyone a man I considered as a grandfather, assaulted by my uncle and even stepfather. Anytime I think about these experiences I go waw I'm surrounded by sick men. Never ever trust anyone. I had the potential to be something great but because of my past I'm a broken child in an adult body who's now going through therapy. I have hope to reach my full potential because it's never too late to start living for I have been stuck in surviving mode for too long.
Yeah, it's never too late to start living.
I actually think Mr. Harvey’s end is fitting, because like you said he died alone and didn’t matter to anyone. People can’t “idolize” him because he didn’t get any “fame” or “spotlight”. He died in a way that brushed him off from the shoulder in a way, a dishonorable death
Very true. It's fitting but very unsatisfying! He deserved worse.
Only thing that he does that I laughed at 😔
Almost as if people didn't even have the time or respect to kill him, he was that unwanted. He didn't exist to anyone. But then that drives home the fear of who is lurking in the shadows. It's a truly disturbing film.
Psychologically though, people wanted to see him suffer... so yes while his lonely and unnoticed death is a fitting ending, I personally would have liked to have seen her father beat the shit out of him with a bat & throw his body in the garbage..... while no one notice and no one cared... To me that would be the most fitting ending... But life isn't like that is it? Violence begets violence....
I agree with this view, in terms of he doesn't deserve anyone to know his name, except to spit it in the dirt. But I do think he deserved worse. Vengeance and moving on do not always come separately. (I take issue with the general argument, not you or this comment)
The fact that her final wish was a kiss. It’s just such an innocent thing to wish for.
Not in the book
@@DH-gq7bm I probably shouldn’t have, but this was quite funny to me 😭
Lol I was gonna say, in the book she wanted her real first time
@@jascemarie33 and achieved it!
@@jascemarie33 what the hell!!!
Listening to you speaking about this reminded me just how many times I've been uncomfortable around adult men as a child. And I can't even pinpoint to what it was, it's just the way the look at you or the creepy smile they give you is somehow reminiscent of a predator which invokes a really primal fear inside you. It's the kind of fear which is unique, makes you want to protect yourself but you don't even know how as you can't even understand what's wrong and what's happening and how to fight it. As a child an old man, my grandpa's friend, exposed himself to me and I just ran away and didn't dare say anything as I thought it was my fault. My mom noticed my discomfort when that man was mentioned and knew exactly what happened as he did the same to her. Many, many other occasions like that happened to me, ane as I later found out my sister when we were between ages 6-10. It makes me terrified to think about how many men like that exist around us and we don't even know.
I remember watching this with my mom when I was probably 6 or 7. By the time it was over I was sobbing, almost screaming, asking my mom why she didn’t tell them where she was and how come Harvey didn’t get caught by police.
I’m a survivor and I’ve never gotten justice either. It hurts sometimes, but things will be ok.
“Art is supposed to disturb the comfortable and comfort the disturbed” my god that is a beautiful way of putting it
Truest thing ever. I found comfort in this movie because the feeling of unease is so accurate.
I've felt this feeling of unease in real life. So to see that unease depicted on a movie makes you feel less lonely.
That struck me as a really beautiful sentiment too. I'll definitely remember it.
It's a very famous description of the purpose of satire, though slightly altered.
I had heard it before but when I heard it the first time I felt at ease. I felt some kind of comfort to tell me why I like such sad things
nice nice
The saddest thing about this, is that almost every woman has had this uncomfortable feeling around someone. We can recall that person who was smiling too much, asking personal questions, and invading personal space. We have to teach children the signs, and teach them not to care about being rude or impolite when someone is making them uncomfortable.
being more direct also, you should say out loud:You make me feel uncomfortable. And see what other person do then
@@ansaksa this is true sometimes but can also be dangerous depending on circumstances... definitely say it in public though
Men too. Keep in mind that men are murdered and sexually assualted far more than women are. So almost everyone has experienced this.
@@genericwhitemale1114 LIES🤦🏽♀️
@@genericwhitemale1114 “murdered” more than women, maybe; and that is counting war and gang violence. Sexually assaulted more than women, you are dreaming. Murdered after suffering a sexual assault more than women, no. Just no. Check the statistics.
My niece was raped, and has suffered mentally a long time. I couldn't watch this movie. My body stiffened and i feel suffocated by any scenes that relate to an girls being abused. I couldn't actually get through your descriptions either....its too much. Thank you for expressing this feeling as it is often glossed over in the typical reviews. all the best.
I had a schoolmate who this happened too, she was murdered by a predator and this movie came out soon after. It was really upsetting to watch but a beautiful movie.
An absolutely terrifying film that made me afraid of Stanley Tucci for the longest time. *spoiler alert* One of the scariest parts for me was the scene with Susie's sister in the killer's house. My heart was pounding like crraazzzyy.
Mine too :[
I cannot think of Stanley Tucci outside of the Devil Wears Prada and The Hunger Games so when I watch this I wonder how I’ll feel🤣
@@baileyt.931 ya once I watched those films along with his roles in Burlesque and Easy A, I realized I love the guy 😄
ugh, mine too! that stressed me out so bad when i first read it. the feeling of relief when she got out of there was overwhelming
Yeah same. My great grandma made me watch this movie when I was 4. Im sure you understand why I was terrified of the movie😕
The end of the book when Susie watches her sister grow older than the age she died, fall in love, get married and have children broke me.
Too bad the real author wrongfully sent a man to jail and took 16 yrs of his life away and he was only recently exonerated but she continues to make millions off of her false story.
@@user-ou5pm6gn9j wait what,
@@ariduran6409 yep, look it up. Not only that, but she wrote the book, lucky, in which she told the story, well false story, and profited off of it as well.
@@user-ou5pm6gn9j she regretted that and it seems sge herself was manipulated by the prosecutors to point the finger on the wrong person.
@@hiyoritokisada594 she is grown..she jad years to say something and realize but she didn't because making money off of a false story and living lavishly is more important than an innocent man's life..it is so sad. He will never get those years back and I hope he sues her socks off. She can regret it all she wants but she isn't the one who suffered. She stayed quiet all this time. Im not coming at you I know you can't hear my tone 😆 I just cannot reconcile her sitting on this for years and choosing profit over this man and his freedom. She is an intelligent woman..enough to make millions. She knew better.
This is why I Saw the Devil is one of my favorite movies ever, it’s raw and disturbing enough to show you the reality of the situations, allows you to feel empty inside with the character, but also gives you some sort of justice when the killer is caught and tortured, even though it leaves you feeling as if the wanting for revenge makes you just as bad as those who wronged you.
I lived a sheltered life with loving parents and in a safe neighborhood, but watching a movie like this and others made me aware that evil could lurk anywhere. Even in people who I thought were my friends.
When I was in middle school we had a gym teacher who always talked to me and acted friendly toward me. But for some reason he always would pester me about wearing my glasses instead of my contact lenses. I don’t know what exactly he was up to but something about that just didn’t sound right to me so I kept my distance.
To this day I don’t know if he was a predator or not but there were rumors that he liked to peek in the girls locker room.
I like how they didn't try to make her seem really mature.
It seems like a lot of media depicts teen girls as sexual and/or grown up,and as a 14 year-old,its pretty messed up in my opinion.
she seemed like a real girl
Exactly!! Hollywood glamorizes how young teens really are. Most if not all, are just curious but dorky big kids. You’ll be horrified to see the new K-pop group, New Jeans. They’re youngest is 14 and she is the most sexualized in the group 😨
@@michelle-yt7qr part of the problem is they get grown adults to play teenagers. So the teenage character they are playing looks grown up. When kids who are 14 look so young and baby faced.
Fact is most teens nowadays ARE exactly like that. This movie is set in a different time.
@@Ready-ForTheEnd they really aren’t. A fourteen year old will ALWAYS be a fourteen year old, and that mentality is the same logic that creeps use
I also prefer to call 14 year-old girls, children. Or any under-aged people who are survivors of a sexual violence. Like the ones involved in Epstein's case, calling them girls make people think of college, "hot chicks", what some of us used to be, and some others used to date for three weeks in college before a dramatic breakup. But call them children and you feel the gravity of the crime even more acutely.
My dad was a cop for 30 years and cried his eyes out watching this movie.
I think it hit home too hard, after 30 years of looking for and finding dead children.
Aw that's so sad. I can't imagine what he's going through 😔
Your dad's a good man,Sessa
Totally get what you are saying. Good men seeing these things...well it really traumatizes them. My husband was in Corrections and my God the things these kinds of men do..... It still affects him when he sees these things on TV as well. Hugs to your dad.
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He sounds like a good man. Please pass on our appreciation and love for him, that must be a hell of a hard burden to carry. The world needs men like your dad, and were thankful, for him and all who never turn off that inner switch. I hope he’s doing ok 🤍
This an excellent, sensitive, thoughtful analysis. My cousin was murdered as a teen and it just haunts us forever, even after his killer was convicted and jailed.
I'm at work and honestly sobbing. I've had a weird connection to this movie for years. I still have yet to read the book but all the points you made were exactly how I've always felt. And getting to watch the author.. just thank you. I am an assault victim and have also always had a weird draw to reading up on missing kids cases. I never thought I could solve them or anything but when it got to be too hard and I thought I could tkeep going, I'd read about them and their families so I felt like I had to keep going, so someone could remember them and not forget since I had yet to tell even my closest family what had happened to me as a kid and what occurred in college. This was so oddly validating and I didn't realize how badly I needed to hear all of these thoughts spoken let alone today. Thank you for your content and work ♡ I'll be subscribing shortly lmfao
I was 16 and I walked 2 miles to school everyday with a friend. We lived in the same apartment building.
One day she was sick, and I had to walk alone.
A man, that I had met, that lived in the same building, came up in his car and asked if I wanted a ride to school.
We all knew him in the building.
He was friendly. In his 30s I think.
I got in. Not scared at all.
We were going through a residential neighborhood when he pulled over, stopped the car, and attacked me.
I fought him off, but he was much stronger. I had on a dress and he got as far as shoving his hand up my privates as he forcefully kissed me.
People that say “ it happened so fast”
Aren’t exaggerating.
As I was trying to push him off, a man came out of the house we were in front of, to get in his car.
I jumped out.
The creep drove away, and I just burst out crying.
The man saw me but said nothing.
My male teacher when I got to school didn’t ask if I was ok. It was obvious I had been crying.
I never told anyone.
One week later the creep came up to the buildings pool as I was swimming with my friends.
His words to me I’ll never forget.
“If nobody walked up on us, I could have done whatever I wanted.”
To this day, I know what he said is true.
This was in the 1970s. I’m 60 now, and I still feel scared for 16 year old me.
I'm so sorry that happened to you.
What a shitty experience. It's hard even now for most women to talk about things like this, but in eras gone by, it was harder still because you could tell that the people you counted on the most might not have had your back.
I am so sorry you had to experience that , gosh some people are so sick !! I’m glad 16 year old you fought back 💛
@@crazierthan-u7571 well, to bad the author sent an innocent man to prison for 16 yrs, and he was only exonerated a month ago, having to go 22 yrs as a registered SO when he did literally nothing not at one point did she come out and say it wasn't him, not at 1 point.
@@user-ou5pm6gn9j your hateful words have no place under this woman’s hard story shared. Go elsewhere to take out your anger.
seriously, the scene where the sister breaks into his house is probably the most stressful and terrifying one i’ve ever seen. my heart was beating so fast i had to skip some of it, i just couldn’t watch every second of it
Same i mean i read the book and knew what happened but still my anxiety went waaay up
@@ramonanaya6236 even reading the book made me anxious wow. I haven't watch the film yet but ouch. The book is painful
That scene is so intense. I get anxiety every time even though I know what's going to happen.
@@ramonanaya6236 That's partly because of the way Tucci came up the stairs after her, a perfectly inhuman predator's expression on his face.
did her sister break into his house in the book too?
this movie has stayed with me since i watched it when i was 9 years old. im 21 now. i still get anxiety about being dead and not realizing it until later on like salmon did in this movie.
Waiting a few more years to watch this for the first time with my daughter. She's only 7 now and I just can't even think about this movie without crying. I remember my mom sitting all 7 of us (siblings) in front of different movies at different points in our lives and I HATED it just because they were always really serious and emotional and it would stick with me for months. Looking back on that as an adult makes me want to hug her every time because now I know why and it really did steer me from making wrong choices when being around certain peple and in certain circumstances
I only see a few comments praising Saoirse Ronan's acting in this movie so can we all just take a minute to praise Saoirse Ronan having to act out all those emotionally intense scenes at a young age :") Proves how she's always been great at her craft
I knew then that she would become a great actress. You can't look away from her.
First saw her in Atonement, I believe she was only 12/13 at the time. Brilliant.
loved her since watching this! she's an amazing artist
She is a consummate professional. I love her acting, she is a phenomenal actress
SAOIRSE IS A BOMB. well, we're here to talk about the film itself, expose the dangers, the blues and its hues. Yet yes! She such a remarkable actress
I don't think I know a single woman who hasn't had an uncomfortable or disturbing encounter with a man. When I was younger, around 9 or 10, me and my friend were followed all the way to my doorstep by a strange man sitting on a bench that we walked past. He only fled when I ran inside, in tears, into the arms of my stepdad who immediately went outside to check. The police did nothing, despite knowing the man and his previous reports. Scary world. Especially for women.
i’m so sorry you had to experience that. it must’ve been terrifying. i’m glad you’re okay
Wtf you were so small! It never ceases to amaze me how cruel people can be.
I also don't know a single woman who hasn't had a scary encounter with a man. My grandma, her sisters, my mom, my aunt, my cousins, my high school friends and myself all have various scary experiences! It's so incredibly common.
I had the same thing happen to me walking home from a dance rehearsal, I was alone though and he couldn't follow me home because instead I went somewhere crowded. It was one of the most terrifying moments in my life, it's so sad how many of us can relate to this terrible experiences.
Same thing happened with my friend multiple times when they were 14
I can’t even tell you how many times something like that has happened to me or people I care about over the years. I’m much older now, so I thought it was over. But just weeks ago, a man who wasn’t even wearing a mask was inappropriate to me while I was out walking my pet. I had almost forgotten how awful it felt, and I was angry at myself for even being surprised.
This movie has always stayed in my head. No matter how many times ive watched it, and even though i KNOW what happens. I always hope Suzie keeps walking home instead of trusting mr Harvey
When I was in uni there was an old bookstore that sold mystery books wrapped in brown paper with a vague description on the back. I got this book in one of those mystery book packages, and read it in about three days. It’s stayed with me since then, genuinely one of the most amazingly disturbing books written. It’s a book saturated to the core with real human emotion
“Be polite. You have to be polite.” Goddamn. It’s such a familiar phrase (and god knows how many of us have said it ourselves) and it’s so fucked.
Or don't be rude
I went to a man's house a few years back and he did this same thing with the offer of a drink and said don't be rude. He had plans but I had a friend outside in the car. He was called on the phone by someone next door that I wasn't alone. Then he let me go. Like woe
@@subee1818 omg
the last girl he tried to go after was not polite at all... ironically that saved her life
YES ITS DISGUSTING. IM MEAN AF AND I DONT CARE.
Honestly the worst part isn't being scared for yourself but being scared for the girls in your family and friends
Happening to me is one thing but this happening someone I love?? I’d die of heartbreak.
Exactly! I have a little sister and I always in fear of what can happen to her if I'm not near
@@madahikhan3352 remind her to be careful and watchful I always remind mine 😣
Even I’m scared letting my kids out of my. sight
Happens to little boys too. Such a sick world
The most disturbing part of this story is that the author put an innocent man in jail for rape
I still can't get over the memory of myself bawlling my eyes out for Suzie! Even watching this video make my cry a little. What a brilliantly sad, painful yet a powerfully touching movie
I think the “underwhelming” ending is a perfect depiction of what many families unfortunately have to go through: receiving no justice or closure. Mr. Harvey did not go to jail, he faced no consequences, and Susie’s family never got to see him pay for what he did. He fled, and had an anticlimactic death. It’s very unfortunate but also extremely common for survivors and victims
_his consequence was an early death. While he was trying to kidnap someone else._
He received the same fate as his victims. He landed in an unknown out of the way place that no one would think to look.
@@heathercontois4501 He was probably there for a while too because who was looking for him?
I agree with you and unrelated but I love your pfp big Grimes fan here
He did this to so many girls do why should this family see justice when they all have to live never having closure.
Saoirse Ronan is beyond underrated. She's an epochal talent of our times.
She has a golden globe and nine nominations for academy awards and Baftas. Not underrated!
I agree she is amazing
She’s one of my favorite actresses!!!
I love her in Atonement. I wouldn't say she's underrated. She's got some awards under her belt and is definitely recognized as a more serious actress for her age
she’s my favorite actress, i love her!
I don't tell the story much since it was years ago, I must have still been in primary school (around 11-12 y/o)
I was on the block walking our new puppy, my family was with me but fell behind and were long out of sight.
A man drove by and started making friendly conversation about my dog, he was driving very slowly to keep up with me.
Eventually he started asking personal questions like my age and name, and asked me to come closer to the car, offering me money.
I had this growing feeling of dread like my whole forehead was numb, and walked faster and faster. Thankfully I ended up walking into our neighbour who was a elderly woman and her caretaker. I dont remember him driving away but I think because I was with people he must have been scared off.
Luckily, I saw my parents in front of our house. I remember picking up my dog and just making a mad dash towards them. I was crying so hard I couldn't even tell my dad what happened.
In the end it was reported to the police but they never caught him.