Our Client Tried To Sell Us A Fake Watch: Spotting A Superclone Rolex Watch.
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- čas přidán 15. 06. 2024
- Join us in this thrilling behind-the-scenes look at how our client attempted to sell us a counterfeit Rolex watch. We’ll show you how to spot the differences between a genuine Rolex and a high-quality superclone, as well as give you tips on what to look out for when purchasing luxury watches. Don’t be fooled by imitations - watch our video to stay informed and protect yourself from being scammed in the world of luxury timepieces.
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This is why I won’t buy a Rolex from a private seller. Even ad’s can’t always tell
Just look at some of the staff in AD's 😳 They wouldn't know a Rolex from Bolex 😂
@@steverumney7613 unfortunately they are trained for sales only and not authenticating / watchmaking.
I would not even buy from a grey dealer.
@@andricopoulos70 🥲
If they fakes can't be distinguished easily from a genuine rolex then why on earth is a genuine rolex so expensive? The genuine item is mass produced mostly by machine anyway?!!
It's amazing how close they can copy for so cheap ...makes you wonder on true value and who the true thieves are
Easy to make money when you are relying on someone else paying all your marketing costs, you don't have to employ designers and skilled watchmakers, and you can cut corners on materials, production & quality control....
I bought my GMT M II from a grey market dealer in '16, before COVID craze. (only paid 6800 USD$ back then!!). I did my homework and "bought the dealer, not the watch". I felt fairly confident, but always had a nagging feeling in the back of my mind, did I get scammed? So, I brought it to a Rolex authorized service center for a regular service last February. I was quite relieved when they called back and said the watch was ready for pickup 4 weeks later. With a new 2-year warranty from Rolex. That confirmed to me that it was authentic, and I did not just blow thousands of $$'s of hard-earned money on a fake. You just never know.
I am curious to know what's the price of service such watch. I want to take mine to service as well. Thanks!
@@pelimartinez 750$ no polishing. 150$ extra if you want polishing. I do not polish my watches.
The SUPER super clones that go for $900-$1100 need a microscope, a very experienced Rolex person and a bloody training manual to discern!!!!😱😱😱
Or it's for sale on Facebook Marketplace.
Overpriced shit, the real price of em is 400, for the sub he has 300
@@3lisey That’s not true! You are uniformed with respect.
They have multiple quality levels. The one I bought for my son from a local guy goes for $500.
They start @ $300 online(much cheaper overseas if you know where to go) and they go up to $900-$1100 for Rolex.
True depends on factory it originates from.@@ryanjofre
@@3lisey I'm assuming you are speaking about the clone and not the real Rolex being "Overpriced shit" . A GMT Master II takes one year to make and is done essentially by hand. The gold used in the 2-tone or solids are procured by Rolex and foundered by Rolex. Everything is in-house and vetted to a meticulous standard. The fakes... well who cares. They are equivalent to worthless photocopies of beautiful pictures.
It’s a shame because AD’s won’t sell watches.
What you are showing is not a super clone, but a regular clone. That makes a lot of differents.
Regular clones are bought by Regular Muppets.....super clones are bought by Super Muppets. Fact
@@markjones1337 It seems that you are the biggest Muppet. I don't hope that you will be cloned. That would be a disaster.
Alright roman sharf chill out !!
@@deadpool8340 Everything else going well in your head?
@deadpool8340 he's right though. Super clones are quite literally 1:1. They even nail the colors but NOT the finish. Needs a microscope to find the difference, visually impossible to tell without opening up the back, and even then, the only piece thst sets the fakes apart from the real one is the balance bridge. And you can get a genuine Rolex balance bridge, install it in the super clone and it'll be damn near impossible to tell. Lots of these massive youtubers have gotten scammed by real super clones. These things will even use real gold, real diamonds, so it depends on what you're looking for
Music is too loud especially when your speaking
Thanks for the feedback! We will take it onboard.
@@swisstimepiecesPlease fix it immediately mate🙏👍. I’m a watch guru and this music ruins this excellent content.
@@ryanjofre come on bro it's not THAT bad lol
plus the accent is horrible. the guy talks so fast I cant understand half of what he is saying.
@@bernardmauge8613 I totally agree...could hardly understand him...does he not realize others are listening? :(
This was definitely not a "super clone" it's just a high end rep, VERY surprising anyone thought that was real!!! I've seen MUCH better fakes here on youtube where the only thing that gives away the watch is the movement inside. Some of the fakes have much better more defined laser engravings than genuine Rolex too. I've seen videos of people thinking the REAL rolex is fake when compared to the fake one based of how detailed the laser etched crown at 6 is, and how clear the logo is on the clasp. Again, very surprising that any reputable watch dealer would fall for THIS fake, and I warn you there are MUCH better ones
Exactly I've seen super clone handmade using genuine case and strap 😂 they surpass AAA clones
Very interesting and great VLOG, thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video! Keep up the good work.
Thank you! 🙌
Im shocked about the receipt bit, i always ask for proof of purchase and thought that was covering me, but obviously not!!
Crazy isn’t it!
A friend living in Philippines has an authentic Subdate and a super clone Subdate. I could not see any difference. He had me wind the authentic then the clone. Winding that clone was immediately easy to tell a poorly made movement. In fact I would have been very suspicious if had no comparison it was that bad.
i have a vsf 41mm datejust and a real 41mm 2 tone. the average person cannot tell. when you actually wind the watch, and set the watch it's obvious, but other than that, it's incredibly difficult even side by side comparison
It is scary how many people fall for it!
why do you have a copy when you own the genuine item?
@appleman29 I live in Florida and go out at night on the beach and broadwalk and to the concerts, and although I've never had a problem, I know homeless people live on the beach. u see the same ones all the time. and I wore it a few times, but now where my pelagos 39 or jlc reverso when I'm concerned people i don't want will take an interest in my property. ultimately, I'm torn, I do feel some type of way about fake watches and think they take away from all the genuine and maybe that's why I don't where it as much and never around people I know. even when people who know me would think it's real because they know I have the money for real watches and own real watches, I wouldn't want to admit to people I know I gave a fake as well and bring into question my real watches
Almost same story just I’m in Ny
It's pretty easy for you to tell a fake when you have all the genuine documents to compare to. But for the average person who does not have access to these, just tell them to check the balance wheel. Simple as that.
Another good tell, is to hold it up to see if any light is showing through between the lugs & end links on the bracelet , real Rolex watches are incredibly tight with not the slightest gaps
Personally I never buy a Rolex from anyone but an AD. No offense to all honest watch dealers but the fake watch industry has achieved an incredible growth.
Nice work guys, scary stuff
Thank you Jack!
I hope he gets his money back, that's a tough lesson to learn. Like with most things in life, if it seems too good to be true it usually is. Rather pay a bit extra and buy from a trusted dealer to have peace of mind. And the same goes for selling, better to sell to a dealer that pays straight into your account before you've left the premises and receive a bit less than try to maximise every last penny selling to a private person and then end up getting scammed for the whole lot.
Really good 👍
so looking at the glass and winding it is enough for you to know - saves someone else the time watching
Did you watch the whole video? You just picked out two of the more subtle tell-tale signs 😊
@swisstimepieces if someone has the money to buy one then better they get it checked by a professional than watch your video..... but for your average man on the street who encounters more fakes that's all they need to know, raised glass, poor winding system and look at the seconds hand ;-)
Just check the balance bridge. Real rolex is free sprung. To expensive to copy that. Fake has adjustment sliders. (2 antennas) also the little screws must be on the inside of the balance wheel otherwise it is not free sprung. Directly go check the balance. i have seen real Rolex cases and dials with fake movements so biggest advice is check the balance bridge. No need to check other features.
Really helpful information for our viewers! Thank you for sharing 🙌
@@swisstimepieces also the little screws must be on the inside of the balance wheel otherwise it is not free sprung. Directly go check the balance.
So you need to get someone in a headlock take off the watch open the back and check it with a microsc
@@pauldavies917 no need for headlock or microscope. If you need this you don’t know your watches. If you buy from regular person you still need to verify. So screw of case back and check balance bridge. It is clearly visible with the naked eye. Original is free sprung balance with little screws on the inside of the balance.
Yep, this is the only sure-fire way to know.
A friend of mine does watch repair and he admits he now sometimes uses parts from fake Rolex watches to repair real watches which have been damaged. His reasons are the cost of replacement parts from Rolex plus the fact that fake watches are now so close that some of their parts fit perfectly at a faction of the cost.
What is his company called?
The Chinese Rolex clone designers are taking notes
And that's why he said he wasn't going to disclose all the differences. The ones he did disclose are already widely known.
This ain’t a super clone, just a poor replica that can be spotted a mile away. There are loads of super clones out there, only verified by removing the case back and inspecting the movement. Sadly many non authorised dealers don’t check this.
The simple answer to this dilemma is just don't buy a Rolex. 👍
I can't help thinking rolex has fuelled theft and clones by making it near impossible for people to buy new one without waiting forever.
Don't forget other watch brands are also being replicated, Rolex are just in the public eye a lot more.
I'm 100% with you on that, I've been on several waiting lists for more than five years for a Submariner with not even a call back, and I will not pay over retail for it.
@swisstimepieces I guess so but there price's aren't being driven up by wait lists.
@@simonyallop1488 Patek Philippe, Audemars Piguet… even Moonswatches 😊
@swisstimepieces My apologies,to be honest I didn't realise they were that hard to get,I suppose its because Rolex are more in the spotlight for the general public
This is why I don’t buy watches without the white hang tag. Rolex is trying to keep them for a reason
The white hand tag is easily replicated, even with the white tag it can be a super clone. Always have the warranty card & watch inspected by a reputable retailer 😊. A white swing tag is usually only handy when buying a precious metal piece like a John Mayer and you want to check the dial code matches the green dial.
@@swisstimepieces I agree that white hang tag doesn’t authenticate the watch, but at least giving me additional peace of mind. Especially when the watch comes with some unique dial. Personally I haven’t seen a replica with the white tag. Have you?
@@cookingwithwatches definitely! I have still found UK ADs keeping the white swing tag too which baffles me. I have seen one superclone with a white tag before but the text & print was blatantly wrong.
🤡
Did the bar code on the white tag when scanned give you the watches serial number as it should ?
Vsf 116610 is miles ahead of this example shown
I’ve seen loads of real Rolexes with poor rehaut alignment.
How old were they?
@@swisstimepieces the engraved rehaut has only been used since the mid 2000s. So not that old.
I’ve also seen loads with poor magnification on the date window and poor bezel alignment.
Rolexes having perfect QC is a myth.
Also that isn’t a super clone in the video
It doesn't matter how old are they, there are many Rolex that aren't perfect, people think that Rolex are always perfect but they are not.
There are many forums that discuss about these issues.
Great 👍🏼 content thanks for sharing your expertise back in the day you could tell a fake Rolex from the 1990s and 2000 early 2000s they came along way with these clones and super clones.
Thanks so much for the kind words!
This is why I bought the John Mayer from these guys. Gotta trust your seller!!!
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This is "not" a super clone. This is a regular knock-off, which is poor quality. The super clone (clean) are incredible, and near impossible to tell apart from authentic models.
Yes there are better copies out there, however they are not impossible to authenticate. If you are Joe Public though it can be difficult!
@@swisstimepieces Agreed. The motors in the super clones are a damn near match, but finish work is the give away. Frightening how the exterior details are flawless. Next time show a super clone model....
I've never seen a clone replicate the glycurdur free sprung balance - prove me wrong
@@billyjack5957 Billy you are 100% correct. I am only commenting how how scary the clone copies have become. I travel to China several times a year, and I'm blown away at how the copies have improved.
Soon the super clones will be better value and quality than the real ones. I bet the Chinese can make a hell of a watch for $2k
I Would love that watch other than its a fake i would just like it in my collection along with my real sub and a invicta pro dive
I will stick with my 1979 Tudor watch passed down from my pop. And his 1949 18 karat gold longines watch I wear them special occasions. My favorite everyday watch is my 690.00 Steinhart Swiss made from a German own company. The price point not too bad from 490 to little over 1000 bucks. I like Tudor because made real well and I believe they are related to Rolex. Put my two older watches my father left me are beautiful and love the older vintage watches. But I was very surprised about the steinhardt for the price point good quality Swiss watch.
great video info, hard to understand what you’re saying in full
I just bought a jeckle kettle for a carpet.
Wow! No way i could catch most of that.
‘Straight off the bat’.
I bought an air king from a Rolex retailer in the Glendale mall ca. I still wonder sometimes if it’s real that maybe they got scammed just the way it was sold to me it seemed to easy to get when no one had Rolexes for sale but they did for some reason
Put it in a pot of boiling water with a Vostok Amphibia for half an hour. When you take the watches out if only the Vostok is still working the other watch is NOT a Rolex.
No NFC chip is no longer a tell.
Really, the box and receipt etc could be from who actually bought it. Put a fake one in and sell...you've got your real watch on your wrist. Don't need the box and papers
But you do need the box and papers…
I wish he would have shown us the superclone daytona
If someone tries to sell us one we will be straight on here to show you 😊
So much for the eBay authenticity guarantee.
Oops it wasn’t eBay.
Nice info.. But horrible to watch with a scene cut every 10 seconds...
Did this come from Paul Thorpe's Son?
I'd just buy the super clone. Looks great imo!
Watch isn't automatically moving .
Do you do authentication for people?
We would love to but right now we haven't got the workforce to keep up with the demand on offering such a service.
Cyclops, ROLEX and the “m”
The Renault is not always perfectly aligned. My Rolex explorer that was purchased from an AD is not perfectly aligned. There are also fakes that make them perfectly aligned as well
What size engine?
@@swisstimepieces 2.0t 265 😂
I am a big fan of Seth
Try picking the fake with out a genuine one side buy side
Kind of like what we do everyday of the week? 🤔
You have to take it to a professional and you can't tell must be really good. 99% of people will never know except for yourself level up don't buy fake.
The rehaut to my Rolex is off and it is genuine. A misaligned rehaut is not a give away to tell if its fake or real
$9500 for a entry level Rolex....I think they were going to get scammed either way.
Dude…this is far from being a superclone 😂😂😂😂
Id only ever buy from an AD .
No ifs no buts...
😮
Nothing like a super clone
So I suppose these super clones are genuine right until they get to someone who can identify them. If these watches circulate between amateurs then they have that value.
Very interesting video, thanks Dunno know why you wear those daft gloves on a snide watch
Thank you! Ha, Force of habit.
In all fairness, this one was spotted, who knows how many were bought already that were too good to be caught.
Fake watches get past people everyday.
So what happens with the fake?
I guess after confirming it as 'fake', the AD would cease it as a counterfeit product and destroy it? 🤔.
Its laughable that you are identifying a clone because of flaws in the watches finishing, yet there are others on YT who are showing how chinese brands such as San Martin produce clones with better finishing than Rolex.
I wouldn’t advise authenticating a watch by solely looking at the finish if that is what you are implying.
Might as well just buy the super clone at this point. ;
U can also buy fakes from AD because they themselves dont even know ...what if the stocks were mixed during shipping.
I highly doubt that! They send their watches to the CPO for inspection.
I find it hard to believe with all the information available online, how someone does not check 🤔 Why does Nobody ever mention watch accuracy. I'm sure the fakes won't be accurate to += 2 seconds a day. Some genuine Rolex are accurate to 0.25 seconds a day.
How accurate was this Super Clone ???? I bet you never even checked.
Some genuine Rolex are not running perfectly accurate, that cannot be the sole method used to authenticate. With this particular watch, we knew it was fake before we even took it out of the box.
@@swisstimepieces Not sole, but MUST be a good indicator. If the fakes keep better time 🤔 Then it's better to purchase a fake 😂 I'm well aware of quality issues of ROLEX over 30 years of experience 😳
Not even the best calibre of rep either. The ones I’ve seen have the Rolex alignment on the rehaut. Still a horrible experience for customer, hope they get justice 🙏
yeah i seen a vsf and rehaut text perfectly lines up with minute markers. So that is not a super clone for sure.
Sadly it still tricked this client! 🥲
I cannot understand a single word he is saying. Is it english.
Yes, but he has a super thick kind of rural area British accent
same here but it is not oxford english for sure.
He's from the West Yorkshire area.
Ikr
All these videos do is give the makers of the super clones tips on how to make them even better
Not really, they reverse engineer genuine Rolex.
FB marketplace ? What a chump ! LOL. I wouldn't buy a used bicycle from there.
Indeed! Not what we would advise. He did meet the seller in person and so forth but I agree, not the best choice.
Only buy in store .: feel bad bro spent 9 k on a 800 dollar clone
I wouldn’t call that a Superclone, it’s just a fake, and not a very good one at that.
Superclone or Fake watch…they’re all the same. It still caught this client out.
@@swisstimepieces fair comment.
Who in their right mind trusts buying a real Rolex these days?
I do 🙌
You have to ask, why are there so many of these secondhand watches? These people are not watch lovers.
Change in circumstances, offered watches from ADs they do not want, enjoy changing their watch regularly…
You can’t call this a super clone if it’s not even close to a 1:1, there’s too many mistakes, AAA at best
Are you a fan of Superclones?
@@swisstimepieces no I would never wear one thanks
@@CODKING-rw7jh sounds like you have handled a lot of them, that’s all.
@@swisstimepieces na I would just assume a super clone wouldn’t have so many flaws, superclone is meant to be 1:1
That is very hard to tell the difference
@@CODKING-rw7jh the nature of the video is based upon a client not noticing the flaws. This is a super clone, however recently they have just been getting better and better so there is a new calibre of superclone circulating. Even this watch, with numerous flaws, has tricked multiple people.
This clone is so good I wouldn't even mind buying a fake Rolex. I'd rather do that than giving Rolex my money with the kind of customer shenanigans they've been pulling in the past 10 years...
What a 🤡🤡🤡 you are
Fake people wear fake watches.
Cope
couldn't watch , loud intrusive music
Why wearing gloves to handle a fake watch ?
Force of habit
This is why you should always buy from an authorized Rolex dealer. If you want peace of mind it’s worth the wait.
I think people would if they could, they are cheaper in AD’s also. But it’s ALOT easier said then done
You can get bleed on a genuine Rolex watch date wheel too but to a far lesser extent. Rolex's date wheels are not flawless either.
Flawless in comparison to a superclone 😊
Just look at the movement. It is obvious. This is not a super clone, just an average copy.
Sadly not a lot of clients have the means to inspect a movement but this one is blatant.
That ain’t even a super clone that’s a mid tier rep💀
Are you a superclone fan?
could see that was a fake, and a bad one too
The answer to this is very simple. You should only buy a Rolex watch from a proper authorised Rolex dealer not even the people who made this video, If you don’t sell it back to an authorised dealer it gets blacklisted you should only be able to exchange Rolex watches via an authorised Rolex dealer who are approved by Rolex if it’s secondhand it’s no longer Rolex and it’s no longer Rolex approved.
You can only sell to CPO if the watch is 3 years old. I personally would not wait 5-10 years and spend over £100k with an AD on items I do not want to get a Daytona. Each to their own.
@@swisstimepieces why anybody would spend all that money to sell a watch in less than 3 years. The answer is because many are looking for type of profit making. These people are not watch lovers.
@@Robert-vw3od Your 3 years may be different to someone else’s 3 years. People change cars every 6 months, who are we to judge.
@@swisstimepieces bovine excrement. we all know these people are profit driven, they are almost always not watch lovers.
what happened is an army of spivs and chavs have heard of some brands and this is the result, almost always when you actually start talking to these people about wrist watches their knowledge seems to be very limited to these few brands.
@@Robert-vw3od yes I agree, however my point is not everyone who sells a Rolex can be tarnished with the same brush.
show sumtin we don't know without comparing to a real one....open er up
My English is bad or your speaking is to fast.... Difficult to me understand what you said😅
Good information but you need to slow down with your heavy accent. Also please lose the music while you are talking it makes the situation even worse.
Thank you, We appreciate the feedback, we will make an effort moving forward to speak slower and clearer. Honestly we did not realize the accent would be so difficult to understand 😂
@@swisstimepiecesWhat part of the UK are you from?
We are based in the Lake District
That shows how overpriced Rolex are.
That’s not a super clone
No it is a worthless bit of metal.
@@swisstimepieces yet you class it as a "Superclone" ??
hardly "worthless" if someone traded for it
Why do you need to wear gloves handling a watch? It's not the Mona Lisa!
Force of habit. Also, if I am showing you the dial and rehaut up close under a macro lens and I had put smudges all over it with my hands, it isn’t really going to be very clear for the viewers to see is it?
This chap is hard to understand very thick accent
Pronounciation is below any standard for a vlog
Spelling is of the same standard as this replica Rolex.
Don't understand a thing you said. I double checked my playback speed setting to make sure it wasn't screwed up. Gave up and moved on.
True 👍 ✔️ I from that place and I don't know what it says either
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
That's why God invented closed captioning
As an non native speaker, I accepted the defeat and moved on as well
😂😂😂
Doesn’t look very super to me…looks like a bad rep.
that was not a super clone, far from it. a super clone will have real rolex parts mixed in to throw off so called experts and they get all the things right, sometimes even better than rolex, they will even dress up the movement to make it look like a real one. a good super clone can cost you $1000
Super clone better than Rolex?, I’d honestly love to see that just outta curiosity
@@gingerbreadman5265 how much do you think it costs rolex to make a steel sub?
@@ianrusso8790 probably not much in materials for a SS sub, a lot more would go into time. I’d guess their mark up is about 40% Remember they are self sufficient so their over heads with be huge, it’s unfair to judge on the mark up of one item you have e to look at the business as a whole.
@@gingerbreadman5265 thatś not what I meant I love rolex watches, what iḿ saying is that a super clone is done to a very high standard, and not what we saw in the video. I have already purchased several real rolex in the last 20 years, I have no issues with what they charge and would never buy a fake. but when a video says we have a super clone....its a lie. that;s all. and when I say that a good super clone is not better than a genuine, but they pay more attention to detail and do certain things better than the original.
Incorrect. What you are referring to is know as a franken, not a “super clone,” where someone will mod either a low, mid-tier, or high quality fake Rolex with genuine parts; however, even this cannot fool a trained eye.
Top clones, which is a euphemism for a fake or counterfeit, does not use genuine Rolex parts. They don’t have access to these parts on a mass scale. The parts that make its way to the gray market aren’t plentiful enough for mass counterfeiters in China to use.
Top counterfeiters in china have reversed engineered Rolex movements, but these so called ‘cloned movements’ can be easily spotted by the trained eye.
Have a good day.
You talk too fast bro
You know what they say, time is money.
Very heavy accent…half the video I could not understand…
I would love to say I can change it but I can’t 🤣
Get yourself checked out ,heard everything he had to say loud & clear
Slow down with your speech. So hard to understand what your saying
That was slow for my northern accent! 😅