Why Darth Plagueis Could Have RESTORED Anakin's FULL Potential After Mustafar
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Plagueis was to the dark side what Qui Gon was to the light. Qui Gon managed to do something never seen before in galactic history: attain immortality by returning from the cosmic force (not by prolonging the life span of the body). Plagueis also did something never seen before in a Sith: he was able to manipulate the force at a celular level, he could heal himself (this is extraordinary for a Sith. Jedi can heal themselves because the light side promotes health, while the dark side promotes war power and destruction. For a Sith to heal himself? That’s incredible).
Darth Nihilius was close as he was quite literally draining the life force (midi-chlorians) out of life forms. He only used it to feed his hunger for life essence but could've taken it a step further if he wanted.
@@panchogeorocks Darth Sion literally healed his body through sheer rage at his pain.
Darth Vitiate and DE Sidious basically healed themselves through cloning as every time they do die, they respawn.
@@willdavis3802He didn’t heal it. He just kept his decaying body together through anger. At least that’s what I ascertained.
If palpatine didn't killed plagueis that night who knows what could happend restoring Vader's tissue and flesh than using force and surgery to regrow his hands heal his eyes or ears would likely be very traumatic for vader but knowing darth plagueis was a mad scientist he would do everything to save sidiouse's pupil not only saving him for discomfort in that heavy black suit but also even making him more powerfull than he ever was. It's such a shame palpatine didn't tried or cared about his master's work if plagueis lived in rots not only palpatine's student would been saved but also became unstopabble warior with his mind heald and body healed nobody would stoped darth vader
I love how theories about Anakin’s potential are like the “I totally could’ve gone pro if I hadn’t blown out my knee” of Star Wars
I was once a Jedi like you... til I took an arrow to the knee!
Omg dude I love this comment so much.
The ability to manipulate Midi-Chlorians is the most powerful in Star Wars. By mastering the technique Darth Plagueis was able to manipulate life. His undoing was daring to try to control the force.
Actually it was Palpatine killing him. 😂
His undoing was drinking too much booze, passing out drunk, and Palpatine killing him in his sleep.
@@fmthebaronYeah, daring to be Palpatine’s superior and passing out alone on his couch? He may as well have swallowed a thermal detonator.
@@findit6333the force wanted him gone. His ability is an abomination because he only wanted to use it for himself first and foremost. His downfall is just part of the bigger picture. The dark side chose him but their fate is always undone by their greatness weakness. He was too secure in his mind of his status and also scared to die and had to face it slowly that he could save anyone but his greedy self
His undoing was wanting to live forever. As is the case for most Sith
Baneite rule instituted glorious ascension by combat, Plagueis wanted to live forever so he didn't instill this doctrine in Sidious, no glory to be had, no challenging the master
Instead he was more *in*sidious and just stabbed him in the back, the singular downfall of every Sith lord ever.
I think he could, I think Plagueis was capable of regrowing organs and he was able to revive the dead (multiple times). I could totally see Plagueis forced to heal Anakin, then Anakin killing Sidious and then teaming up with Plagueis.
especially since teaming up with him anakin had more of a chance to save padme
I don’t see plagueis being forced to do anything. He can’t be locked up as he can always free himself using the force and then he’d kill sidious
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Specially with how Plagueis was reversing the aging process on himself. Imprison him for 13 with nothing to do and nothing to experiment on but himself, and Plsgueis would had healed his wounds and get himself back to his 20s body (or the 20s equivalent of a Muun)
It is irrelevant if Palpatine had more midichlorians than Plagueis and more potential. Old age and specially old age in the ravaging of the dark side takes its toll. You have to devote a significant portion of your force power to be on fighting shape like Yoda and Sidious did in ROTS.
The elder ROTS Palpatine would had been utterly destroyed by Plageuis's mastery of the dark side combined on his young body.
It almost sounds as if not only could Plagus have restored Anakin to full heal but possibly even make him more powerful than his full potential. That would be an awesome and a scary thought.
I agree sidious would been gratefull to plagueis if he saved anakin's life i'm not meaning he cared about plagueis at all but if he didn't had a choise but to trust plagueis with anakin's life at his hand in anakin's case he would been in line between life and death with plagueis pulling the strings but if that's for his life without unconfortable suit sure he would do anything
Padme would’ve been hella-pissed waking up to no kids and a crazy ass husband🤣
People misunderstand Anakin's purpose as the Chosen One; it never mattered how much power he really had. What matters is that he was able to reset the board in terms of balance in the force. In order to do that, he needed to be deeply imbedded in both the Jedi and the Sith so he could destroy them from the inside.
Firstly, Anakin's injuries did not occur to stop Anakin, but actually to limit Palpatine. The Force created Anakin in response to Palpatine's dark side meddling, then set him up as a prize the Sith could not resist. If Anakin remained at full power AND under Palpatine's thumb, then all of their ambitions would have come true. Anakin's injuries were both a means of limiting what Sideous could achieve and to mock him to his face. His ultimate prize that he pursued for decandes not only failed to materialize as the ultimate Sith weapon but also became the instrument of his undoing. Because of Lord Vader's lost potential, Sideous did not consider him a true threat until he was falling down the reactor shaft of the Death Star II.
The same is true for the Jedi and the Light Side of the force; Anakin could never be allowed to prop up the complacent and corrupt Jedi order. They would simply proceed to use his power to their own ends like Sideous would, but to prop up a corrupt Republic instead of an Empire. Anakin was basically a sleeper agent directed by the will of the Force to strike at both sides directly from within.
I like your point of view, works in my opinion.
Palpatine intentionally limited Anakin with a shitty armour to ensure Anakin could never challenge him.
Balance means no sith
@@youuglymessthat is untrue for both Expanded Universe or Disney canon.
@@lagrangeweiAnakin limited himself, he was a prodigy in engineering and could've easily made a better suit but didn't.
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Facts
He contradicts himself constantly though, purely for content. He says the slightly above average Jedi of the old Republic was as powerful as Yoda, but Sidious was the most powerful Sith. Even though Sith regularly killed Jedi back in the old Republic.
I’m starting to wonder if it was a waste to kill Plaugis before learning his technique. I wonder if it might even have been possible for sith to use it to create new more powerful bodies entirely
Palpatine actually didn't plan to kill Plagueis but did so on a whim because Plagueis trusted him too much and passed out after the celebration they had the day Palpatine became chancellor.
Plagueis is my favorite sith Lord period. Imagine that you're so feared by the Force itself that it has to create a Savior to protect itself from you.
thats an interesting opinion!
i like it🤔
It's all about balance. It's not a savior. The Force reacts to imbalances. The Force always seeks balance.
@@vincecatapano9020 it reacted to a man seeking to make it his bitch, that's a fact bro. Plus think about it from your own point of view, what kind of threat must you be for the reaction of the Force to be creating a Chosen One as a counterbalance.
@@michaeltuitt2847 the force doesn't care which side the imbalance is on. It doesn't fear one side or the other. If one side wipes out one entire side, which it did with Order 66, it always comes back and finds balance. The Force can't be destroyed. It's very much a Yin Yang theme.
@@vincecatapano9020 It Feared Him!
I'd love to see you try and do more What If stuff, based on what we already know from Legends and Disney Canon. Maybe you could even bring back some old and unfinished stories, like "What if Qui-Gon Trained Anakin".
What if he sensed Palpatine's betrayal, killed him and trained Darth Maul?
I could see Plagueis doing that as long as Anakin/Vader promises not to double cross him yeah.
Thanks for the video my friend !
This is one of my favorite videos of yours. I would love a "what-if" video
Possibly healed his flesh but probably not his lost limbs. But cloning might be work.
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I have never read any of the books, but from a large volume of comments on the subject, I feel I have a working knowledge. Darth Plagus never seemed to be motivated by hate as much as Palpatine or Anakin. He seemed to be a student of the force on both sides who was more concerned with knowledge rather than power. He viewed the dark side as the moral path.
Obviously fill me in on anything I missed.
Love this chanel!
I think a what if based on this scenario is a must!
fun fact: in my fan fiction, when Plagueis is "revived" by world between worlds enduced time travel, Vader does seek him out in hopes of being permanently restored. Plagueis also is shown not just have mastered the force at cellular level, but in fact at atomic level. that is, transform an object into something completely different. my protagonist masters this skill too, and can use Pyrokinesis as a result.
Do you have a Linkin to this Fan Fiction?
@@danielmaazouz3905 not yet
This ability while never seen before its also never before been seen since far as we know. Plaguesis agreed probably can BUT like also said he and Sideous are 2 totally different people. With totally different abilities, skill sets, an even specialties. An since Sideous decided science wasn't at all his thing he couldn't have gotten old Annie back even if legit wanted to truly save an build back much as pre burned Skywalker as could get.
While Plaguesis probably woulda hooked Anakin up to life support an witha mix of cutting edge tech, The Darkside an I imagine some sorta miracle new Bacta on steroids that he then somehow addicted to cocaine.. Plaguesis would eventually bring newly minted Vader back. While Sideous woulda been standing there awkwardly holding beekers an confused an frustratedly pouring over his Late master's old notes an books.
Plagueis probably could use mechu deru to create a better robot body for Vader while he prepared the treatment
@@blazingshadow2669 yeah one my thoughts too. That's probably bout the closest in timeline that we know that Sideous coulda done without his old master had he not elected to be such an ass
I would love to be able to look into the multiverse and just watch all the different varieties of Star Wars!!!
The fate of Bib Fortuna holds a cranial transplant into a new host body; a suitable rebuild for Vader. Be it a 1:1 host, or another Jedi Master's body, pending the solution to cloning Force sensitive beings. This would've been easier if Palpatine's mentor was still alive.
Left a like...good vid sir
I love how completely different but so powerful sidious and plagueis were
Better question, was it possible to do what plegus did or something equally as effective with the lightside of the force?
We need a what if on this. It sounds super cool!
Imagine the look on Obiwans face when thinking Anakins dead and he sees him perfectly fine
Yes most definitely
For your next video can you do an analysis on how Lema Xandret created the first successive force sensitive clone. It was never officially confirmed how she got around the will of the force.
If Anakin supposedly lost much of his Force potential, then why did he become as powerful as he did? He ripped a hole in the fabric of reality, he conjured up Force waves powerful enough to obliterate Lyleks, and he vaporized whole armies by himself without tiring, and he performed all of those feats in spite of his injuries. And as a bonus, he could use the Force while floating limbless in a bacta tank. Taking all that into account, he was a juggernaut in the Force and Palpatine knew it, that's why he went out of his way to keep Vader in a weakened state, otherwise, he'd have been wiped out.
He merely used the Dark Side energies of Mustafar to open the portal he didnt do it by himself.He also never vaporised armies,using telekineses to explode granades isnt conjuring force waves that can atomise armies.Lets not forget that Sidious was laughing while killing lyleks with ease.
another fun one, i do think it was short sighted of Sideous to kill his master rather then keep him prisoner like you suggested
do a what if of this
Yes
Awesome! This is worth exploring as a fan fic.
Would Vader than join Plagueis to kill Palpatine, and they take over the empire?
I don’t think palpatine mismanaged repairing Vader. Palpatine wanted to be unchallenged, so he deliberately didn’t fully restore Vader after his death as Vader’s defeat may have, while he expressed disappointment, given him the avenue he needed to control the chosen and rule forever simultaneously
now what would really be interesting is if Plagueis could force a non sensitive to be force sensitive. that could of changed grievous's fate or even create a special kind of elite troops
I think he could be able to pull it off but I don’t think he won’t, he would try to convice Sidous to kill him while they still could. He was terrifed of Anakin when he first heard about him that fear only grow after his vision in Episode 1. For Sidous was wrong not to understand his master’s resurch but he right not to Sith first and everything else was secondary to him unlike Plagueis who was a scientist first and a Sith second then everything else third.
Force does not mind force-user working with science it have a problem with them only view things with only a scientific view along rejects the spiritual and other views of the Force.
Now *THAT* brings an interesting notion of a 'What if...?" Everything you said, and while Plaguis heals Vader and restores "Teh Chosen One's" potential, entices him with notions of offing Sidious in proper Sith fashion and then the two of them ruling.
Imagine a alternative reality where pleagues heals Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader and both of them try overthrowing palpatine for betraying them both in the past
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Pity we never saw this maybe should do this in a fan fiction quite interesting
That sounds like a great fanfiction though what is Darth plagueis survived all the way up to revenge of the sith
I think he would have healed Vader, his Flesh binding to his armour, it grew around and tuned up all systems, vastly improving dexterity and slowly re growing limbs and fully integrating and adjusting new organic with cybernetic. This would nurture Vaders midichlorian count till it is once again off the scale. Vader would then desecrate Padmes grave in an attempt to resurrect Padme. Vader and Plaguis is an interesting combo
Based on this, I think that bringing Padmè back with this method could give her access to the Force. And the jig would also be up when it comes to the kids. Plagueous, Vader and Papa Palpatine would absolutely notice that she'd given birth.
Full Pohtential. Full Puhtential. Could a full Puhtential Greedo foreseen Han Solo's shot ? If Lobot was at full Pohtential could he have taken over Cloud City from Lando ? What about a full pohtential Ozzel ? Could he have survived Vader's wrath and come back in episode 6 ? The puhtential.
Or wait around for Palpatine's granddaughter/or his grandson to come along. They learned how to heal things
They never consider do not engage in light saberfight in unsafe environments if vader got defeated on a starship or in some sort of temple he just would of lost his limbs but he was on a lava planet fighting on melting machinery
This gave me a crossover idea, what if Vader was given hashirama cell limbs
A post clone wars plaugis story please. 🙏
the stupendous wave after Anakin Skywalker's demise death he became one with the force reached his true full potential achieved true perfect balance in the force as we saw in Ahsoka epi 4-5 and the last one sure we will see more of him very soon
No. Ahsoka is a creation of Disney. Anything that happens in it is fake. Sorry Bub. If you like Disney Star wars ,you aren't a true fan.
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I really think that the galaxy and sidious were not ready for a Vader that didn’t have such weaknesses and restrictions .
Honestly his fighting style I do believe would be much more powerful
why could Darth Sion hold himself together with the force (tapping his detached midichlorians in the process), but Darth Vader could not?
So, this might be a dumb question, then, but what made Anakin/Vader "the Chosen One", and if Plagueis could regenerate him, and even regraft clone limbs, with his similar midi-chlorions, what was stopping him from simply doing that to anyone? Adding copies quantities of their own xeroxed Force potential to them, and making anyone at least more powerful, to a point? Also, I'm nor entirely sure I believe that every clone of a person is just "them", and not a totally individual, separate being; a unique occurrence within the Force. Maybe it's because I am an identical twin; I effectively have a clone of myself, abd he is still very much different than me, both physically, and mentally. Even when copied, and mass-produced, the Clones possessed numerous quirks, and identifying tells, so I don't know if even Plagueis could have forced the Force to do quite this. Of course, not an expert.
What about Cade Skywalker? Could he have healed, and repaired, Darth Vader? At least back in the day, Dark Transfer was what I thought Plagueis was becoming able to do, but since then, other material has seemingly added onto Plagueis' stuff, so now I don't know if they are the same, or if Cade's power, which Krayt hunkered for, for much the same reason, could have returned Vader to his pre-immolsted state?
I think that's what many jedi, like Yoda, Obi-Wan and some other more potent jedi sensed: clones were actually proper individuals in the force.
Well considering him f*cking around either directly caused the force to spawn Anakin in retaliation, or resulted with Anakin as the first and only successful result of his experiments on creating life, I’d say there is a 50/50 shot at least. Better odds than Vader ever got.
I never agreed on the midiclorian lost. Yoda had an high midiclorian count even considering his size
Oh.
But Plaguies did not figure out the key to immortality. He only managed to half-ass revive Darth Venemous only to have his organs turn to mush. His Midi-Chlorian Tech was largely a dead end. Whether it could have been used to heal Vader is, I suppose, another question.
Did Vader ever see plagues notes or come upon any sith research sites
6:25 So basically, its Force Cancer.
Honestly, I still find it unbelievable. It sounded like in artificial cellular regeneration where scientists believe in recreating a person’s cells instead organ transplant or blood transfusion. But that’s still experimental and not fully achieved at least in Real-Life.
So, if its difficult enough to do non-Force Sensitives, then its far more difficult on a Force Sensitive.
Plagueis bring back Padme. That’s a story I’d love to hear. I can already imagine Plagueis promising Anakin/Vader bringing Padme back in exchange by betraying Palpatine/Sidious, freeing him, and become his new apprentice.
That sounds icy
I think the worst addition to star wars (I don't recognize anything after prequels) is the midochlorians. I think narratively it makes so much more sense to have his potential reduced simply because of the damage he sustained and the fact that he is not in balance
So could of palpatin or to a very near degree but he chose not to instead letting Vada suffer .
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Thinking about it, plaugies might have been a better master to anakin rather than sidious
What if Plagues bring back Padmae would be very good see how that would change Vader emotional without looising her. That would be very interesting
Yet another reason the "Rule of Two" flat out lucked into victory. They lost knowledge every sucession, whereas the Jedi didn't and were simply corrupted by becoming a part of the government.
and sidious lost the ability to learn this power because he was power hungry, and wanted to kill his master and rule on his own. This is the downfall of the Sith.
Starkiler rolls nat 20s clone midi-chlorian count I guess? That is one of many reasons that The Force Unleashed 2 was not cannon.
Lucas's research says Vader is wearing the suit .
So obviously, Sidious didn't learn all his master knew just thought he did and with impaitance finally swayed Sidious into killing his master.
Usually force healing is actually supposed to be a light side Force ability typically Darksiders degenerate because of the power of the dark side corroding their bodies
Anakin needed to be grievously injured or else he would have never come back to the light.
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Wait was he cut down 80% of the power he could of have had or was he cut down to 80% from 100% ? losing so many limbs and burning so much of the skin, I would of have imagined him to be down to 30-40% at best which would of have meant that he truly was strong with the Force.
Well Vader did become more powerful than sidious in the ROTJ novel. Vader after realizing everything and breaking the mental power barriers became powerful enough to withstand sidious force lightning. If yall didn’t know, Vader suit not only conducted the lightning better, but amplified it extensively, making it more powerful than it truly was. Anakin at that time became powerful enough to with stand a powerful consecutive lighting blast and was able to kill sidious. Sidious in the novel which is cannon and legends as Lucas and Disney said they consider this their cannons meaning both see the book as a true reflection on the movie. But in the novel sidious as he’s falling down the shaft said that Vader had the power in him all along, to kill him, to become more powerful, and all it took to achieve it was love and family. It’s the reason in ROSW that Eternal emperor sidious believed Rey would join him as she is his family and that family would be there for him as it happened with Vader. But Vader did become more powerful than sidious as you said, after his mental power blocks were gone
Let’s take this a step further and suggest Palpatine could do this as well since he knew everything Plagueis knew.
Can you please do a fan pic please of this please we need it
Despite having the ability to heal himself by manipulating his own midichlorians, Plagueis still required a respirator. The damage was too severe for his midichlorians to heal. I think Vader’s damage was far more severe and Vader would still be crippled. Something that would have a much better chance of working would be dark transfer, an ability which sidious and Plagueis did not attain.
Which sith achieved this
@@paulwaboso3945only two people have ever learned dark transfer: Cade skywalker and Darth Krayt
Wish we really knew what Plagueis looked like so we didn't see multiple different looking Plagueis' in a video.
There's no way Palpatine would of let this happen, to be frank for all his goading Sidious doesn't allow threats to remain on the board and Anakin being grateful to Plagius is a massive threat.
I've said this before, and I'll say it again. Darth Vader should never have lost any of his power. Every cell in what was left of him still had the same level of midi clorians. The only ability he should have lost was force lightning, because he had no organic limbs. Other than that, he should still have had the same amount of power.
If darth plagueis HAD fully healed anakin…..anakin I think would have forever been in his debt, as plagueis would have given back what his Jedi brother took away, AND he likely would have saved his mother and saved his wife from anakin fears making him forever his pet/ loyal servant
Why does every picture of Plagous look so vastly different. What did he actually look like?
I think if Palpatine had it within his powers or even kept Plagueis alive to restore Anakin he still wouldn't. He'd want to keep Vader beneath him in power
I feel that Lord Vader should have amputated starkillers limbs and then had them installed on himself .
Maybe , his organs too .
There's a HUGE glaring OBVIOUS reason that Sidious... and no other Sith, either... would EVER do this.
Why would the Sith Master use so much time, energy, power, and focus to restore/build/empower a Sith Acolyte to a point that the Master would be weaker and thus killed by his creation?
When instead....Palpatine or Plagueis could instead have created the ultimate Sith body for themselves and thus been immortal and have truly unlimited power?
The whole point of the Sith Code is that of the end goal... through victory MY chains are broken.
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Hey, here's a piece of information that you forgot to add. Yes he can you want to know why because Darth plagueis is Anakin Skywalker's father but Rick, that's a large assumption. Why did you come across this because Darth plagueis was brought up in episode 3 as a sign of manipulation and he was also brought up again in episode 1 just before palpatine at his little conversation with Darth maul he graciously got killed off just before walking with Darth maul. At last we will have the Jedi at last we will have revenge so the answer is a 100% yes and when? Qui-gon asked Anakin's mother who's the father. There was no father. I carried him I gave birth. I can't explain what happened. My guess is she was covering for Darth plagueis not telling a soul palpatine knew that and that's why Anakin's mother died in episode 2 and why Anakin went on a killing spry the dreams those were caused by palpatine Anakin's mom, Anakin's wife, all palpatine Darth plagueis's death also palpatine and then all of your responses are oh fuck 😮
I don’t think would good for palpatine heald vader's wounds, that was a punishment for his fail in mustafar and put a bell on him.
In case that plagueis heal his wounds, that would be more than enough to join him and destroy palpatine.
Wait the real question is would he have wanted to not could he have.
Imagine if Vader got healed... Star Wars would have been on whole other lvl fasho
Isn't it like Sith get upgraded by killing their master? Has Plagueis been alive Palpatine might have been killed during the events like vs Mace or Yoda.
I'm not sure if Sidious never could have restored Vader, I think that it's more that Sidious never WOULD have restored his potential to be stronger than him.
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He couldn't have, because Anakin was supposedly conceived by the will of the force and he was intended to become Vader.
Why would Palp's heal Anakin to 100%? He would know he eventually loose his ability to control him.
WHAT
Control the midiclorean
The biggest issue here is the fact that Sidious would not be able to imprison Darth Plagueis. He was to powerful for that.
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