HoI4 Guide: Greece - Bad Romeance Achievement
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- A guide for HoI4 Batle for the Bosporus as Greece, now with up to 300% more Debt!
Following the steps laid out in this guide will help you to get the achievement "Bad Romeance"
This was done on the 1.10.2 beta patch, so some things may be subject to change!
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my first time playing as Greece and after conquering Romania and turkey i looked at Spain and they were a democracy and this is historical
Spain is pain
@@Bitt3rSteel sPAIN
@@Devirioka spain without the s
@@Bitt3rSteel when the Soviet Union is justifying me while I’m invading Romania, when I puppet Romania, the war goal changed to another state.
Hgþ
Your way of censoring the f word gives "gamers rise up" a whole new dark meaning
@@Osgfkqgvsu it was a cringe shitpost subreddit, 'we live in a society' memes and 'nice guy' stuff. reddit (for better or worse) decided it was too salty for them.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 so it was like alot of the rest of reddit? why ban it?
@@Osgfkqgvsu muh nazis
@@blackquagmire5205 most of reddit isn’t incels fantasising about conquering the planet
@@matthiuskoenig3378 for worse. destruction of freedom of speech will eventually lead actual fascists to power, even with such seemingly insignificant steps as this
Ended up doing a world conquest as Byzantium in the few days after this DLC released, just activated the Beta, signed in and got the Achievement! :) thx bittersteel ;)
aaah, a bactria player... I see you are a man of culture as well...
Glory to the Empire!
@@caseyalonso8658 Fucking bots
A thing I've always wondered: how come Greece doesn't have a core on Cyprus? Bulgaria has a core on Northern Macedonia on top of a core of an independent Northern Macedonia. The same should happen in Cyprus.
You get a core on it through the Themata decisions (from which you need more teritorry to take the decision, Triumph over Levant i think) or if you purchase it through the Non-Aligned branch of the focus tree "Achieving Enosis".
If the game were more historically accurate, Greece should have claims and cores on the Dodecanese, Cyprus, and Western Anatolia
@@eclipse_434 I get cyprus and dodecanese but western anatolia? I live in izmir and i have never seen a greek person.
@@duvarduvar387 The Greeks believe much of Western Turkey and the Aegean to be historically Greek lands, so allowing Greece to re-conquer parts of Anatolia/Turkey and claiming them as cores makes historic sense especially in the context of what Greek ethno-nationalist irredentists would have thought not in our current timeline but in 1936 in the aftermath of the Greco-Turkish war of 1919-1922 which would have been a recent living memory for those living in the 30s/40s. Allowing options for acquiring cores on once historic greek lands before Ottoman and Turkish conquest makes a lot of historic sense from a nationalist perspective.
@@duvarduvar387 There was a greek population until the 1920ies. Then Turkey drove them out of the country. In the coastal regions only, not in the hinterland. It has been living there since ancient times.
Little advice: dont use the highest attack dmg general for your army, use the default one that cna get the makeshift bridges trait, to reduce river crossing penalty by 90% via command power. Its way more dmg than if you have a attack 5 general, even tho it costs command power. but 7 days are way enough to cross a river, route the enemy and encircle them.
Also, that 10% movement speed that you can get is a huge bonus. So much easier to overrun enemies, or maneuver around and surround enemy units.
17:05 you wanna invite all since if you invite just Britain and France and they don’t show up and you lose 10% stability.
Dang, thats a good point!
? I invited britain and france in my game and everything was fine
@@edgarglopes thats only if they backed down
Woohoo! I've been waiting for this. Ever since i finished watching all of your videos, i can't wait for the next one
Im waiting for macedon
''Hardly anything sevres'' achievement is looking pretty tough would you consider a video for that ?
Definitely, but I'll wait for the beta patch to be finalized. The ottoman path is being changed a lot
@@Bitt3rSteel 5 science slots?
@@Bitt3rSteel looking forward for the video, I love your content.
I'm doing that one now (on Beta). I was in a good position at the start of Barbarossa but some things went weird (historical on). Japan lost to China, Italy took the Suez Canal and no Allied invasions have lasted. I was intending to invade Russia and then take enough industry and population to use in a back stab on the Axis, then use that to get the Allies. With the failure of the Allies, I am having to attack a very powerful Axis. I have started my attack (in 1945, to get access to decent tanks and aircraft) and have regained German held Russia and the Suez Canal. I'm just holding in the Balkans and am about to do a big push into Germany. I think my strategy was fine but the poor performance of the Allies has left the work to me.
Edit. Expand the Saadabad Pact fails unless you have already created a faction. Do it before the focus completes and all 3 will join (I boosted opinion but not sure if it was needed).
I think the Hellas/Byzantine path of Greece is my personal favorite out of any Hoi4 paths atm.
In my playthrough I liberated Moldova in the Romania peace deal and I gave it Bucovina and the Soviets didn't even justify on them, more than that I took southern Bessarabia for myself and they didn't get a claim on it.
Clever. I keep forgetting to do that
I recommend using "crush the fascist" before negotiation with them. Its free stability and war support, and they become friendly anyway later on.
Also, it allows you to befriend communist later on for this juicy 15% facttort.
@@EluminAtiCK you can still Befriend the Communists later if you just ignore the decisions, and wait
Is it ever possible to keep the Republicans once the Fascist take over? I see they become “Inconsequential” yet they provide a couple of really useful ministers.. :/
@@Marcoz588 give the democrat party some popularity
As much I love these videos i feel frustrated that CZcams hates anyone or everyone who mentions Fascism or war even in an educational context. CZcams are so butthurt about everything
Gotta love when things don't take until 1958 lol.
This is the only guide on CZcams that actually has my armies being as effective as youtubers armies. 10/10 learned a lot
don't forget that there's a port in Gallipoli now.
They typically dont put too many troops on the south of edirne though so pushing them out and encircling them again is quite easy
I only remembered the Cliffs of Gallipoli
@@gt-battlezone7135 am i missing a joke?
@@SasafrasYT in ww1 the ottoman empire and the UK had a fierce battle at the cliffs of Gallipoli. Many british young men died there (and the ottomans defended their sandcastle). Sabaton, a swedish rock/metalband made a song about this, named cliffs of Gallipoli.
The event was actually almost a breaking point for the british public war support (ww1)!
@@gt-battlezone7135 i had heard of the event, i just didnt know it was on cliffs, i assumed it was a port or beach. guess it was more of an Okinawa situation than a Omaha one.
Congrats on a big achievement! For the next one, go for the Wojtek achievement and stock it full of meme's
Big Memes for a Big Achievement!
2:15 Mediterranean countryes have navy
*crying in albanian*
yes...
I've had a game where Venizelos died in 1942
Nice video as always Bitt3rSteel!
Keep it up!
I did this a few days back. Declaring Byzantium was almost the last thing I did, which gave me manpower problems throughout. I was keen to see a cleaner run.
Edit: I did it on WTT (since the Wiki said it didn't work on BotB). It worked but the process was very different (no guide was effective due to changes in the base game).
thank you i have learned a lot from this video and i love your accent man!
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Bitt3rSteel: we need a lot of pp
I hate how underrated you are
These are really helpful. Thanks
I think this might not work as well as it used to with NSB, mostly because the AI is a fair bit smarter and Romania will stack troops on all their coastal tiles, making naval landings impossible. Maybe if you rush Bulgaria before Turkey and puppet them (but don't call them into the war) that'll make them park more troops on their southern border instead. You also want to build a lv1 port in Alexandroupolis for supply's sake (much cheaper than rail/hub).
I am very happy to see wacky races is still remembered
after you take dobruja you could built an airport there, giving you air superiority and a little bit extra cas damage to push
6:40 music is really telling you how much he's excited about reviving the byzantine empire.
thank you for this guide
Fun tip: Right after the election at the start of the game happens, you can crush the monarchists while you are doing your economy focuses and gain some war support and stability for later on. You befriend them anyway after you do compromise with the monarchists focus and get all the bonuses and minsters from that.
Thanks for this! Would love to see you go for Dracula's Revenge or
Czechmate. Maybe a redo of some of the other ones you have made due to new patches and DLC's?
Draculas Revenge is easy if u go the "Splitting Yugoslavia path", get guaranteed by France and GB, declare on Romania and only call in your Transilvania puppet, giving them the territories :)
Czechmate is actually rather easy too, if you just want the achievement. You only need to control Munich, not own, so basically stick to democracy for the juicy defensive bonuses, get the forts up, defend your borders and make a paratrooper division, land on Munich, bam achievement done :)
@@Janojano007 Thanks for this my friend :)
@@khalidshoukri7364 Czechmate is actually where you control Canberra, Australia, and Munich Disagreement is where you control Munich
For my divisions against turkey I make 6 or 7 fourteen fours for attacking. Then I remove reconnaissance from the horse division and use those to hold the islands and frontline.
That Greek Fascist leader looks like Waluigi. Fitting that Waluigi has the Greek letter Γ on his hat and that the color of Byzantium in this is purple.
I was super lucky and Eleftherios Venizelos didn't die before the EEE took over!
Love your videos Bitt3rSteel. May I suggest reducing the music volume? Some of the more epic tunes are as loud as your voice xD
Finally got the achievement after I don´t know how many attempts, went a slightly different route by taking out Bulgaria first then puppeting them before going for Turkey-Romania-Hungry. Joined the Axis after Russia declared on me, didn´t join in the war with the Allies, after Russia fell I puppeted them in the peace deal then left the Axis and declared on Italy then joined the Allies. Managed a 12% war score to get Italy in the peace deal.
I hope you do an updated guide!
Hey! Awesome video.
Btw, I have a question. What is the name of the music playing during the invasion against Soviets?
Lol I like that sprawling Iran at the end
Got my first hoi4 achievement today :D
Trying this with current DLC, doesn't go favorably.....
No supply hub up north so need to build 1 with rail network of lvl 2 to capital, or a dock in the region, to make an attack their viable.
Then, Turkey either goes for Baltic security calling in Yugo, or Romania forms it's pact and calls them in....
Need a new strat with the current game state to make it viable now :/
Fr, I keep getting overran because of my supply, have you found something that worked?
Could someone help me with turkey. I dont think this guide works anymore, because i cannot get window to attack istanbul, because turkey keeps pushing my lines. They lose a lot of their army but so do i. And I also have a lot supply problems so my troops in turkish border are always low on suplies. This guide was made before this new supply patch. God I only want to get good at this game and conquer turkey as greece
I add one run of this where buddy died basicly instantly didnt get a chance to see his face before he kicked the bucket.
in my run , i did exactly the same things, just romania brings about 10 units to help turkey, italy declares war on me (nov 1938) and bulgaria is looking for a piece of this cake as well..Time to return to the menu
I finally got this achievement. So satisfying.
Is the guide still accurate? Haven't tried it yet.
@@ghost_1153 yeah. I actually almost got it on my first try but the peace deals ruined it. Just need good execution of the war with turkey
I used this video to try for the Byzantophile achievement, it all went remarkably well! Though there has been a bit of a snag moving forward...
I forgot to justify on Hungary preemptively and sat around for 80 days. Now I can't get into a defencive war with Italy because they never justified on me. Can't even go for a quick justification via core territory because they managed to lose Albania. Not sure what I'm going to do now.
right, so just to be clear. the whole defaulting your debt thing costs the same amount of pp as getting rid of your debt the normal way, the only difference is you dont get a temp national spirit for 30 days called small or large debt payments. but then again i dont think it would matter in the long run because it would mean losing the 15% consumer goods factories debuff really early
You need the PP early on to ramp up your country for the early wars. Later on,you can afford the big costs.
That byzantine ruler is Waluigi, he traveled on time to restore the empire, conquer Japan, take over Nintendo so he could get into Smash... look for context on chiches yt channel... just if you understand spanish haha
Perfection👌
Very cool video,but i have a question why are doing battleships in 43:00 ,my guess is to challange the italian navy or to have shore bombardment bonuses in the naval invasion,anyway keep up the good work :).
I believe I used the decision to recommission the American battleships. it puts 2 Mississippi class BBs in your queu at 75% completion. It unlocks after giving Britain docking rights.
Figured it wouldn't hurt
@@Bitt3rSteel I didn't know that,but thats's cool thanks for answering:).
A good guide as always, but it bugs me out why in my runs hungary joins the axis early and romania gives up everything in january 1940. too much rng
On what resolution do you play ? Your game and UI looks so better than mine, or is it a mod ? You can see the whole industry tab i have to scroll around.
i play on a 1440p monitor, so 2560×1440
Whenever I try attacking turkey my divisions just retreat back to my side of the river. Is there a certain order your supposed to give them to not retreat?
Nice
Out of curiousity, what video editing software do you use?
Yes he does
First time I tried Romania joined axis super early, on historical.... second time turkey naval invaded, I hate my luck
Keep the Turkish navy at bay with strike force, you should have the naval supremacy to prevent landings
In my first attempt at restoring the Byzantine Empire, Venizelos died on the 3rd of January 1936... I was quite surprised to say the least...
Venizolos survived till the fascists took over by me
Note that you can befriend the communists later once you turn fascist. This allows you to get the Army Regrouping guy and a political advisor with recruitable population increase and garrison buff.
Do you need to keep improving relations with UK France Germany and USSR to keep those factories or only have atleast 80 when completing that focus
ive had the Magali idea succeed... Britain and France said no when it came time to start the war though so i had to do it all myself
Hey man can u pls do this achievement It's 1812 all over again i would like to see wich way you're gonna do this.
I am having serious problems with getting some of the manchukuo achievements, mainly taking out Japan. Just an idea, how would you take out Japan as Manchu. You probably have done a video on this, but if not, I would love for you to do a Manchu achievement video
czcams.com/video/CPu4Sr_FBrU/video.html
Here's the link to the Qing achievements
Did u used some dlcs bec mines was much deference in game...
"Pushing through the Caucasus is bad, I'll tell you that!"
Proceeds to push through the Caucasus.
By the time I reached the Caucasus, there wasn't a red army left
I'm greek and I'm proud of you. IF YOU WANT TRANSLATE THIS : Πολύ καλό βιντεο
Do a me and let turkey invade Greece. Naval invade back onto Athens from Crete and spend 70% of the time fighting them in the hills and mountains while they struggle to push in Thrace for some reason, run out of equipment and then you steamroll them with 10 divisions.
Yeah it was bad, but it was MP, so it was fun.
You are good
well for me was a defense war against soviets, i join axis, win the war with 40%, then i leave axis to go war against italy, join allies who kicked me several times xD but i win with 60% war score.
maybe you play greece again for "this is madness" and the other achievement who require win civil war before 1937.
Debt will haunt Greece forever 1:20
How do you break Turkey in the new patch/expansion? Such a problem with supply
Build a port on the border tile.
I've had the Mengali convention succeed.
What's the advantage of utilize our strengths? Forcing the farmers into factories seems to have way better bonuses.
Worst case scenario the guy you need alive dies in the first three days of the game. This actually happened and I was like bruh.
Challenge idea. UK world conquest date speedrun
I love your videos, they are helping me a lot, not only with achievements but also to learn interesting strategies xD
but I have a couple of questions:
1) 12:41 Why are you choosing "Restoring Our Home" right now over "The Birthplace of Democracy"? It is an approach that you can only get when you are democratic and it gives you 10% stability and 5% democracy (I see this 5% as that you can use Anti-Democratic Raids more times, so more stability) this focus if you become fascist it will not You can obtain and in theory even if you become a fascist, you don't lose the stability bonus, right?
2) The Soviet Union claims Turkish territories from me, so I can't get away by making puppets of Romania, what can I do? Do I reboot and try my luck again or do I build bunkers in Turkey and continue with your guide?
I do not know if you have commented on this possibility, English is not my mother tongue and some things escape me, hehe
Hmm, you can hold the Russians in the Causacus, with some effort. And if you release Romania before they declare, you'll have a nice buffer state up there. It sucks, but you can grind them in the mountains while you wait for Barabarossa or they run out of equipment
@@Bitt3rSteel yep, I just got it, I built level 5 bunkers and with that enough for him to not even try to attack by land, I defended the ports of the Black Sea and he dedicated himself to committing suicide his units with naval invasions
Meanwhile, I continued with your guide, naval invasion over Italy and in the peace conference I made a puppet Italy and all the Balkans, after that I just attack with everything. (Hungary helped me a lot, it gave me 40 divisions 14/4)
Had an amazing run and bam Soviet invasion through Anatolia. Troops were in Italy fighting and in Yugoslavia holding the Germans back. Soviets puppeted me :( Was fun though
I have tried this 3 times on present updates and dlc. i cant get one tile from turkey
Does anyone have any tips for following the guides from the previous game version/previous expansion? I've tried but I have found that it can be challenging because of how many things get changed with each expansion.
couldn't get the achievement because when I naval invaded italy, they sent probably more than a 100 divisions there, encircled my armies and made it impossible to push
No Step Back has REALLY buggered this. The Greeks have never heard of the train it seems so supply is atrocious. Supply is so bad at the Turkish border that they will push you back because they have a port to supply from.
I am about to say with No Step Back this is impossible. You just can't break the Turkish line to even do the cheesy way of defeating them. Not even with 27 width 9-3 infantry and sitting on a port.
EDIT: Unless there is some trick you can do this is now impossible w/ No Step Back. You just can't break the Turkish line and you don't have enough industry / manpower to out muscle Turkey. Even with 27w Inf and SFP you will get CLOSE to breaking the line but then it starts reinforcing from the adjacent tiles and you de-org. I've even tried CAS to break it and it just wont. Even if you get the Trickster general to get makeshift bridges you can't do it. The Turks just have better supply in that region and your offense grinds down to a halt. The Turks also refuse to attack my lines so I can't even wear them down that way.
@@timothyhouse1622 build 1 civ, build a port near the frontline. research train somewhere before the war and use the decision that gives you 15 trains, it worked for me
The strat for Turkey doesn't work anymore, the supply is awful on the border so it is almost impossible to push through the Turkish line, build a port or fall back to Thessaloniki and do it there, I wasted so much time trying to do it around Edirne that Romania joined the Axis and dragged Germany and Italy in
13:10 - Sun Tzu
I lost that guy when I started the game lol
Can you please do guide about restoration of Macedon Empire with Monarchist path?
i played greece a few times ad never seen eleftherios die before i have done the megeli idea
My first attempt, Venizelos dies in May of '36.
So it's gonna be one of THOSE runs, eh Paradox?
I've had him die on unpausing.its great, no?
@@Bitt3rSteel That's amazing. The poor guy is perpetually moments away from having a massive stroke.
Grinding down Romania now. I think the colour scheme and flag for Byzantium are officially my new favourites in this game. That PURPLE though.
Big thanks from Canada for another great video! Your dulcet Belgian tones soothe my soul while Paradox slaps me around with RNG.
@@Bitt3rSteel Spain did flip Gamer in my run, but they join the Axis before I'm able to finish the war. I guess -200 desire to join a faction doesn't mean as much as I assumed it did.
I might try again to see if I can get it done more quickly, but I might end up having to do it the crappy way and race the Allies to Berlin.
Damn, I'm going to guess the -200 ran out or there's some faction shenanigans going on
@@Bitt3rSteel They still had the -200 even after they had joined! It doesn't go away until 1944, and this all happened in 1940.
This game works in mysterious ways. For all I know, they join at a certain percentage to capitulation and expediting the war will just make them do it sooner. Although I've eaten Spain before as other Gamer nations and I don't remember this happening.
I'll give it another try but if they keep joining I'll just do it without fighting Spain or the UK like you did here. Vichy France seems like a solid route; you'd get a nice beachhead established before Germany could react.
EDIT: GOT IT. Got through Spain quickly enough to keep them out of the Axis, and got the UK done about 3 weeks before my NAP with Italy runs out. The Axis got a lot in the peace conference and the borders are horrifying but I puppeted the UK so I can drag the Brits in if I need help from their massive navy. Regardless, now I can take my time with the Axis and I'll just fight the Soviets wherever we end up meeting in Germany.
Do you think you can do this guide again but for no step back
Take over by the gamers :) haha
4:43 That's not the worst case
mine was first 3 days from the start of the games
Funny thing : Venizelos died one day after I started the game in my first run xD
This happened to me 2 times in a row. Ive had multiple games where he dies in the first month and i had him die 3 times in the same game
You should try the " Die Perfidious Albinion". It is very tricky.
It really isn't, you can just rush Britain down asap and kill them easily. France starts with tons of divisions and Britain won't put their fleet in the north sea. Just invade Hull and its done.
@@potato3996 Good luck not getting a civil war in the process.
@@failuretv814 Just go Fascist and join Axis, start building ships/submarines early, France actually starts with decent navy, even if its not as big as the UK's. Prep your 7x2 divisions(you may later have 14x4s also) and steamroll the UK.Try to keep stability as high as possible, personally never had civil wars when going with Fascist France/Nationaliste Francais(don't confuse with Vichy France, German Reich's puppet). And achievement is yours.
@@Gun_Metal_Grey A civil war fires if you try to rush down fascism. Because of leagues the stability drops below 30% which fires a communist uprising.
Don't use the decisions to flip to fascist. Focus order: Revive the National Bloc, Banned Communism (removes Political Violence spirit), Utilize the Leagues. After rush to Freedom Front (after Utilize the Leagues this changes from giving Dem popularity to Fascist Popularity). This should then be enough to unlock National Regeneration. Congrats now you've flipped to Fascist without triggering a civil war.
Conquer the world in the next part
When I try to justify war goal on someone(as Greece) it says I need 50% World or War tension. How do I do that?
I need help with this i can’t seem to beat turkey
When do you change over to Hoplities?
The russians justified on two provinces in anatolia in my game, love to see it
What is the music track's name beginning around minute 35?
wait but now greece has litteraly no infrastructure should i build somi in thrace first?
Can you do hardly anything sèvres next?
Once they finalize the beta patch, sure