Why Most Drivers Get Into An Accident Their First Year Driving A FedEx Truck

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  • čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
  • Is driving a FedEx ground straight truck hard? Today I'll be giving new Fedex drivers tips and tricks about driving a big fedex truck. Is it scary or difficult to drive a delivery truck? We'll also be talking about the fedex road test to ensure you can drive the straight truck.
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Komentáře • 134

  • @joshmoore1470
    @joshmoore1470 Před 2 lety +89

    I rode along with someone for 2 days and on my 3rd day my contractor gave me my own route and big truck. Best way to learn is to just get out and do it. Time behind the wheel is key

    • @LaosHouse
      @LaosHouse  Před 2 lety +6

      Facts. like nike's motto, Just do it!

    • @Ecko92
      @Ecko92 Před 2 lety +9

      I've had big vehicles, and tbh this shit is easy I am also very coordinated and play video games lol so everything is learned rather quick

    • @CoreyB478
      @CoreyB478 Před rokem +1

      @@Ecko92 thanks brother I’m going to do my driving test after I finish doing my physical

    • @Ecko92
      @Ecko92 Před rokem +2

      @@CoreyB478 learned everything in a day lol idk why people make it bigger than it has to be! 2/3 days of helping then your on your own truck hustling! No lunch just get it done so you can ho home early

    • @CoreyB478
      @CoreyB478 Před rokem +1

      @@Ecko92 brother i appreciate that a lot my man I just literally finished doing my physical so now I’m just waiting for the recruiter to call me so I can go and do the driving test and she said that will depend on if I got the job or not I know the Most High Got me 🙏🏿

  • @poker_18rs92
    @poker_18rs92 Před 2 lety +44

    Stay alert & don't expect others to see you.... Parking lots are the worst. If you see someone inside of their car, never park behind them. Pull away & park away from them. And remember, they're just packages & they'll eventually get there. The main thing is to work smart & stay safe. And remember..... We live in an era where you have to assume you're being filmed 24/7 in public.

  • @KelvinK
    @KelvinK Před 2 lety +15

    The contractor I worked for with ground - drive one of the trucks for 15-20 minutes and safely back in a parking space and you pass the driving test haha. It was initially intimating but as I drove it more and more and got used to it - it wasn't that bad at all. Hope you're doing well!

    • @KelvinK
      @KelvinK Před 2 lety +1

      @@Jynxxxxxxx One Saturday I did 255 stops myself.

  • @rudyherrera974
    @rudyherrera974 Před 2 lety +12

    I’m a package handler for fedex ground preload and what i will say is everything you said is 100 percent true. I’ve heard so many stories from contractors . Thank you for your service my dude

  • @ChariZmatt
    @ChariZmatt Před 2 lety +7

    My second week driving a p1100 for FEDEX Ground. I haven’t hit any curbs, my best advice is don’t accelerate hard during turns, boxes will fly off the shelf, and use ur mirrors when turning so you can see your back tires and how close they are to curbs

    • @LaosHouse
      @LaosHouse  Před 2 lety +2

      Pro tips! p1100 trucks are fun to drive

  • @sp00f34
    @sp00f34 Před 2 lety +20

    at express, you do have to back up through those cones.. about 10 feet apart. but you have a trainer who tells you how to do it. if you can listen- you can do it. for going forward: basically there's a pivot point of the truck, which is at the back wheelwell, so when you see the cone in your side view mirror, line it up with that and then turn... as for reverse, you just wait until you see the next cone in the mirror, then turn- then as you are going the opposite direction, you look in the OTHER side view mirror, as soon as you see the cone, you turn. your trainer will show you how to do it, and tell you what to do. they want you to pass so you probably will. you can hit 2 cones i think. you also have to parellel park it using cones, but again, the trainer will show you how to do it, and explain. you also have to back in in between cones, which is also a pivot point thing. trainer will show you.

    • @LaosHouse
      @LaosHouse  Před 2 lety +4

      thank you for clarifying. Sounds more challenging than I thought.

    • @yungspades88
      @yungspades88 Před 2 lety

      We do forward and backwards through cones with ground on our big trucks

    • @shadowk4718
      @shadowk4718 Před rokem

      It’s like a forklift lol that’s how they thought me With the pivent points

  • @alwaysemployed656
    @alwaysemployed656 Před 2 lety +5

    4 years (and counting) and zero accidents, no tickets and no property damage. I have had a FEW occasions a customer tried a fake property damage con. The customers were exposed for lying. And that's me driving the big p700 bread trucks, not some mini-wheelie bitty box hybrid.

  • @LaYungFlock
    @LaYungFlock Před 2 lety +20

    The Frieghtliners have a better turning radius than the fords

    • @jamesyboy14
      @jamesyboy14 Před 2 lety

      The new Ford Amazon 700s handle great. Mine has electric power steering. Makes a huge difference from power steering fluid in the freightliners and workhorses

  • @Jolly1928
    @Jolly1928 Před 2 lety +7

    Love your vlogs, I’m a UPS driver, but I worked for FedEx Ground as a driver and a package handler

  • @ctrl-alt-bang1324
    @ctrl-alt-bang1324 Před 2 lety +5

    Worked fedex ground the past 6 months and just had my first accident. Building i was pulling up to didnt have a height warning on their awning, and i was in a brand new taller truck. Luckily my boss had my back and i wasnt held liable.

  • @MrZambie1234
    @MrZambie1234 Před 2 lety +9

    You should do a Fedex Driver Q&A!! Would love to see it. Love your energy bro

  • @nomadicjfilms8858
    @nomadicjfilms8858 Před 11 měsíci +2

    Worked with FedEx ground for extra cash. Driving wasn’t a problem, it’s the condition of the trucks that was problematic. Bad alignment, random blinking lights on the dashboard, sometimes the turn signals and hazards don’t work, sometimes the horn doesn’t work, sometimes the odometer and the gas gauge don’t work. And the worse thing is breathing in the diesel fumes if the exhaust is on the drivers side.

  • @OfficialCrumpdiddy
    @OfficialCrumpdiddy Před 2 lety +6

    I drive a P1200 the really long one and the first 2 days I was like scared and was taking too much time in between stops careful. But now?! man the maneuvers I can pull off especially in tight spots is insane

  • @kabunzprgaming8914
    @kabunzprgaming8914 Před 2 lety +4

    Laos would you make a full Day in your life? Maybe from the point when you get to Station, load up of the truck and what you do to be organized? Would be super helpful as I might make the switch from delivering for Amazon to FedEx. Thank you for your videos!!

  • @nick_osas
    @nick_osas Před 2 lety +5

    I felt ur struggle at 5:17 trying to merge on the Highway. When I first started driving with Amazon, the first day of work they sent me to Santa Cruz, ca on the infamous highway 17. Known for accidents and windy turns, it took forever for me to merge from stop onto the highway at full speed. And this was in a sprinter van.

    • @LaosHouse
      @LaosHouse  Před 2 lety +1

      we have a dedicated route for the highway in some towns! You spend half the time waiting to merge 😆

  • @SonnyWolfSmiles
    @SonnyWolfSmiles Před 22 dny

    I never had an accident with Amazon or FedEx, i actually like the p1000 more room to work and easier to get the packages out of the Doors, just have to remember watch the tail swing, remember the length and height of the vehicle and avoid backing up unless you have to, also use your mirrors, i haven't paid any attention to the backup camera, the p1000 i was assigned has a broken backup camera. Also remember don't allow the packages scare you pace yourself and before you know it you'll be done with your route and on your way home until you are on schedule again, also in my experience the contractor i work for has had me on the same route for a year, its not like Amazon throwing you on random routes its easier when you get to know the route and makes things easier to deliver when you know where you're going and where you usually deliver.

  • @blueskeleton7744
    @blueskeleton7744 Před 10 měsíci

    We use 2 16'rs, several 3500 ford box trucks, 4 ford transit vans,and 1 extended 4x4 cab ford truck with diablo camper shell converted with shelves.. all took experience to learn their way of use. Some vehicle's are better in the wide open country to tight lil towns and big cities.. it does take use for all but mostly important is maintain an alert mind and great focus of your spaces in front and back of the work vehicles. Some routes will teach you where to park your trucks and give confidence that you have room to maneuver safely to next stop.. always good to observe when you return back after a pkg drop to see what kind of space you have.. and also like to add that its easy to get distracted by other drivers, phone calls, texting, walkers/joggers, bikes, loose animals, and miscalculating mirrors.. be careful and make sound decisions out there!

  • @oleksua74
    @oleksua74 Před 12 dny +1

    Quitting FedEx delivery was the best thing ever

  • @coryw8364
    @coryw8364 Před 3 měsíci

    My test was getting on the highway then RTS. I start my route alone in 2 days… I did a ride along that included a bunch of long driveways with hard turn arounds, so I’m kinda terrified of running into shit when initially it was dogs.
    Cool to see you so smiley on this job, tho

  • @marylou7230
    @marylou7230 Před 11 měsíci

    Yes, Express does serpentine obstacle course, it was actually a lot easier than I thought. I had an awesome instructor, no stress at all.

  • @carloinamichelle
    @carloinamichelle Před rokem +1

    I have had 2 people back into my p1000(straight truck) they both said i didnt see you there. Both times my boss was just stunned

  • @Onyx_Games
    @Onyx_Games Před 2 lety +4

    gonna be honest and say i wasn't ever scared on my road test or first time driving one. i used to own a 32 foot class a rv so it came naturally to me tbh.

    • @LaosHouse
      @LaosHouse  Před 2 lety +3

      I would say the rv was more challenging

  • @andrell314
    @andrell314 Před 2 lety +5

    Been driving FedEx for about 2yrs and never gotten into an accident.

    • @LaosHouse
      @LaosHouse  Před 2 lety +1

      I heard UPS gives out a trophy after a certain amount of years

    • @MrBearcatjew
      @MrBearcatjew Před 2 lety

      @@LaosHouse 25 years and you get your own parking spot, only way to get a parking spot in the company

  • @BAYBEKDL
    @BAYBEKDL Před 9 měsíci

    I had to do the cones twice because I worked for 2 different Fed Ex terminals. I failed going backwards with the cones both times but I got hired because I was excellent driving in the street with traffic.

  • @23eourytbn82
    @23eourytbn82 Před 3 měsíci

    I just got hired for fed ex ground. I'm hoping its not too hard to drive the vehicle.
    I'm thinking about doing this for a few months to get some money in the bank and then after that I got plans for something else. Hope it goes well

  • @LaYungFlock
    @LaYungFlock Před 2 lety +1

    Laos literally these trucks to me is like driving a sedan

  • @gabriella8041
    @gabriella8041 Před 2 lety

    Yeah alot of delays we where advised. .snow weather impacted volumes of packages 😣 We just emphatize and sympathize💕

  • @NickDePanfilis
    @NickDePanfilis Před 2 lety +2

    I had to do the cones with Amazon. Driving in and out between them forward then backwards. Was very simple they spaced them pretty far apart.

    • @BAYBEKDL
      @BAYBEKDL Před 9 měsíci

      I had to do it with Fed Ex. I failed doing it backwards but I still passed because I was excellent on the road

    • @isabellamaya2412
      @isabellamaya2412 Před 2 měsíci

      lmao!!! they have no real method when it comes to those cones i swear cause i worked at amazon 2 1/2 years prior and tell me why when i took the test i was struggling doing the zig zag backwards maneuver where you have to use the full turn radius. even the instructor tried to show someone and she ended up having to move a cone once SHE couldn’t do it 🙄 ended up failing someone. i felt bad for him

  • @cormorant_on_arock7934
    @cormorant_on_arock7934 Před 4 měsíci

    im not gonna lie - I almost got into an accident in my second month. I was driving along a country road, 45 mph, with traffic flowing just fine, and I didn't know that there was a traffic light coming up which commonly got jammed. This was where this certain country road began to meet up with one of the busiest boulevards in the city. This certain traffic light - as I have learned, after delivering in this are for a couple weeks now - is notorious for getting jammed up. So basically, you are driving along a 45 mph country road, then all of the sudden everyone comes to a stop. Everyone familiar with the area surely knows about this particular stop light intersection, and are prepared. I was not prepared at all, and I admit I was not paying 100% attention, when I glanced up expecting to see the few cars in front of me tooling along as usual, had slowed down rapidly to about 10-15 mph. I slammed on the brakes and gritted my teeth. The truck stopped in time, but it was close - and I did smell the brakes burning! And I also did very much piss off the driver behind me - who also had to slam on her brakes. She almost hit me, just like I almost hit the car in front of me. I am SO thankful to God that there was no accident. Long story short, you simply need to know about nuances of an area, such as this one. There are certain spots like this which can trick you, and you can wind up in an accident. Had I been *really* not paying attention, I would likely have slammed on my brakes too late and rear ended someone at at least 25 mph, and then gotten rear ended to boot.

  • @mjpthetrucker9485
    @mjpthetrucker9485 Před 2 lety

    A great turn radius is your friend in a long vehicle. If your turn radius is bad in a long vehicle you pretty much have to pull in and park the way you need to every time all the time or you are going to catch the blues.

  • @samplott8388
    @samplott8388 Před 2 lety +3

    Love the vids man!

  • @danielsempoch3289
    @danielsempoch3289 Před 2 lety

    I’m with home delivery, and our training was that I went on the road with one of my managers, then after that it was cones lined up and I had to make tight turns going both forward and in reverse

  • @number1combo
    @number1combo Před 2 lety +5

    You ain’t drivin a big truck until u doin 25+ stops a day in a 53’ 18 wheeler pickin up n delivering freight n tryna beat close times.

    • @LaosHouse
      @LaosHouse  Před 2 lety

      maybe one day

    • @adamblacketter
      @adamblacketter Před 2 lety

      Facts. I’m going from ltl P&D to FedEx package delivery driver. Tired of working 65 hours a week. Ready for a four day work week.

  • @rancidmilk8824
    @rancidmilk8824 Před 7 měsíci

    The steering wheel has a lot of turning so you can't flip it as easily if you have to turn I believe.

  • @Jake-fy2ry
    @Jake-fy2ry Před 7 měsíci

    I drive a 30 foot izuzu straight truck. I just had my first at fault accident recently, switched contractor , and they put me on their biggest truck.
    It's actually not bad but I'm super nervous

  • @joshlandry908
    @joshlandry908 Před rokem

    I got used to it really fast, I looooove the turning radius

  • @ShredaSpud
    @ShredaSpud Před 2 lety

    I had the perfect construction portapotty on my rural route until they put a sign on it saying it was for workers only. Those jerks!

  • @mjpthetrucker9485
    @mjpthetrucker9485 Před 2 lety

    6:32 I do that a lot. lol Literally any way I can get it I get it. Most folks realize you are in and out and won't say anything to you.

  • @seanliver593
    @seanliver593 Před 2 lety

    With ups I got hired as casual season driver they just through on the biggest 24-20 ft truck an say lets go. You have no idea of the area an the GPS an heaters don't work in half of the trucks. Plus your out delivering all night in the dark. Very challenging. Takes someone with serious patience to safe an do a good job.

    • @LaosHouse
      @LaosHouse  Před 2 lety

      delivering in the dark is challenging if you don't know the area

  • @carlosperez9601
    @carlosperez9601 Před 2 lety +1

    You have some great content !

  • @danielceron584
    @danielceron584 Před rokem

    I have training on Monday and today is Friday, bit nervous.

  • @isabellamaya2412
    @isabellamaya2412 Před 2 měsíci

    hey y’all i’m a little concerned hopefully someone can give advice but i just got a job for fedex ground and i used to work at amazon for 2 1/2 years prior. and this fedex company is telling me. no overtime. no benefits. and apparently if i get into an accident i have to compensate. i’ve never heard of these things before and it sounds sketch af but i gotta take it cause i have nothing else atm also it’s 200 a day mostly residential i’m told. it’s in lakeway tx so yes very boujiee area

  • @user-zr6pl6nb6z
    @user-zr6pl6nb6z Před 13 dny

    I'll tell you why they do. They hire mostly inexperienced drivers who then proceed to hit the road and act like they're driving a sportscar. I've seen it myself many times.

  • @seth4940
    @seth4940 Před 2 lety

    My contractor had a cone course, and two ride alongs with two separate managers, one of mine was in a box truck, the other in a sprinter van. My contractor is big on making REALLY sure you can drive big vehicles lol.

    • @seth4940
      @seth4940 Před 2 lety +1

      Of course despite all those ride alongs I still hit stuff with the step van lol. Once I grinded against a concrete pillar in the hub that my truck was parked next to with the tail end. Also I once backed *into* another concrete pillar with the step van, luckily a plastic trash bin was there to cushion it. Man I hate those pillars lol.

    • @milles2345
      @milles2345 Před 2 lety +1

      I wish the amazon dsp i work at did none of the drivers at the amazon dsp i work can actually drive

    • @LaosHouse
      @LaosHouse  Před 2 lety

      haha I guess all contractors are different

  • @cxryptonic
    @cxryptonic Před 2 lety

    doing that in the winter seems fun

  • @dalernarzuloev919
    @dalernarzuloev919 Před 2 lety +2

    Hey man I wanted to ask if the tracking is accurate because it shows a certain area after my package was delivered which is way off from where I live. And my delivery method was fedex ground economy so does it mean it goes to usps before it gets to me. I feel so stressed right now please answer and u seem genuine so thank you

  • @drizzyj7022
    @drizzyj7022 Před 2 lety

    "No parking fire lane" haha. You're crazy.

  • @DeannaSouders-zq8vo
    @DeannaSouders-zq8vo Před 4 měsíci

    The one that parks in rensslaer in move somewhere else not behind mathon rensslaer in

  • @shadalemartin3923
    @shadalemartin3923 Před rokem

    Thanks for the tips👍👍

  • @HSRA-hg9gc
    @HSRA-hg9gc Před rokem +1

    Fedex drivers drive recklessly in my area!

  • @Bounty_Hunter84
    @Bounty_Hunter84 Před 9 měsíci

    To drive a truck that size do you not need a special license in the states? In Europe your not allowed to drive a truck that size on a car license.

  • @SadisticRac00n
    @SadisticRac00n Před rokem

    It bothers me so much when you walk on peoples yard 😅😅😅 like walk up the driveway !!!

  • @ThatRandomGarage93
    @ThatRandomGarage93 Před rokem +1

    watch your tail swing very easy to hit things if your not watching

  • @jimkontos4221
    @jimkontos4221 Před 10 měsíci

    I drive an 18 wheeler a FedEx step van is a toy compared to my 53 ft trailer

  • @puertoricanhammer6987
    @puertoricanhammer6987 Před 2 lety

    I’ve been driving pulling car trailers and lawn trailers so going i to the fedex truck wasn’t that hard for me in the beginning

  • @Str8PHILLth
    @Str8PHILLth Před 8 měsíci

    This job is easy cheese I don’t care how many stops you have it’s all about planning and organization.

  • @willmarkley4237
    @willmarkley4237 Před 2 lety

    What kind of shoes work good for that job in the snow without falling?

  • @TibGamingShow
    @TibGamingShow Před 2 lety

    Bro a dude once block the whole street because I stopped for 1-2 mins to make a delivery n I was blocking ! It was a dead end , so I had to come back, he block my way for like 5 mins talking to himself all typa of crazy stuff , just he didn’t wanna wait 2 mins , I didn’t say nun to him I wasn’t in a rush that day anyways so I waited till another car had to pass him n finally he left n I was able to move on, smhhh

  • @jeenjamie
    @jeenjamie Před 9 měsíci

    I know where you deliver at if your still working there we might coworker NJ

  • @matti9340
    @matti9340 Před 2 lety

    I buy a package from FedEx, and they say that they return my package to the shipper, what I have to do now

  • @jc6993
    @jc6993 Před rokem

    Do we use the same truck every day?

  • @somewherebymarz2190
    @somewherebymarz2190 Před 2 lety

    What speed should I go for road test?

  • @lourbanotv2
    @lourbanotv2 Před 2 lety

    hey it's roger who asked you about work this afternoon in garfield greeting

    • @LaosHouse
      @LaosHouse  Před 2 lety

      mucho gusto roger!

    • @lourbanotv2
      @lourbanotv2 Před 2 lety

      @@LaosHouse I want to work with you tell your boss I'll talk to him I'm waiting for an answer I have a little experience

  • @jeffreyreyes6638
    @jeffreyreyes6638 Před rokem

    Jackie JEFFREY

  • @Justincase994
    @Justincase994 Před 2 lety

    How do you go about getting a new route?

  • @Ecko92
    @Ecko92 Před 2 lety

    Is there cameras in your truck? Or other trucks?

  • @MailmanNick
    @MailmanNick Před 2 lety +2

    Watch your mirrors. Stay safe

  • @juniusbrodnax8437
    @juniusbrodnax8437 Před 2 lety

    Laos, does your truck have the smoochy button underneath the steering wheel that you have to press every to,e you go from park to a different gear?

    • @LaosHouse
      @LaosHouse  Před 2 lety

      I think all fedex ground trucks have that now

    • @Onyx_Games
      @Onyx_Games Před 2 lety

      You usually only have to do that just to start them. Unless they wired it up backwards. All trucks can be different or the same. It's mostly the same with the exception of 1 truck at the terminal I work at.

  • @jonathancouch6261
    @jonathancouch6261 Před 2 lety

    Do you drive the truck everyday or defendant one

  • @SusGod_
    @SusGod_ Před 2 lety

    They started me in the big truck LUL i think its the P1100? Im not sure of the models honestly. Im the only one on my contractor that drives a big truck and I just started in November

    • @LaosHouse
      @LaosHouse  Před 2 lety

      the bigger the better

    • @SusGod_
      @SusGod_ Před 2 lety

      @@LaosHouse 100%, I hate when they put me on the small trucks

  • @rvc212
    @rvc212 Před 2 lety

    LMAO @ basketball hoops! All the time!

  • @dylansousa5571
    @dylansousa5571 Před 2 lety

    Good video

  • @void188
    @void188 Před 2 lety

    Hi can i put lot of money in the package and sent it to orher country? Using fedex

  • @FleeGuy92
    @FleeGuy92 Před 2 lety

    Should I be a FedEx driver or work at Amazon FC ? I’m stuck in between

    • @shoohk
      @shoohk Před 2 lety +4

      Fedex bro.
      Amazon micromanages you too much, they’ll know how many times you blinked and decided to breathe

    • @manwiththecigar2606
      @manwiththecigar2606 Před 2 lety

      Same here atm

  • @yungspades88
    @yungspades88 Před 2 lety

    Hate when people pull out their driveways without seeing us come by. They swear its our fault if they hit us

    • @LaosHouse
      @LaosHouse  Před 2 lety

      facts. the only time cameras come in clutch

  • @scottysencounters
    @scottysencounters Před 2 lety

    Laos House, have you had a parking fine yet?

  • @jwc111684
    @jwc111684 Před 2 lety

    I know there's no A/C. Is there heat?

  • @ulyssesingene8934
    @ulyssesingene8934 Před 28 dny

    Why Most Driver Get into An Accident Theier First year Diring A FedEx Track

  • @Nematodenat
    @Nematodenat Před 26 dny

    Where’s the actual tips?

  • @startrooper2345
    @startrooper2345 Před rokem

    that highway is terrible

  • @yourfriendlyneighborhoodic128

    not that big, no bigger of a foot print than an average pickup truck. it's only as hard as you imagine it to be.

  • @RossLemon
    @RossLemon Před rokem

    Because most people have never driven anything bigger than piddly shit little sedan mom car or a mini van, so they don't understand that a turning radius on a truck like that is much bigger than a cracker jack little shit car. I grew up driving express vans and pickup trucks with trailers. I'd have zero problem behind the wheel of a FedEx truck. Guaranteed.

  • @adrianfonseca5544
    @adrianfonseca5544 Před 2 lety

    Its easy as balls

  • @ravageawakened
    @ravageawakened Před měsícem

    Baaahahahahahahahahaaaaa
    Beginning.. based on the package layout you been down a few roads that threw everything around!
    And you didnt bother withs sids before you dispatched.
    But go ahead make this cruel route drivers decade!

    • @ravageawakened
      @ravageawakened Před měsícem

      @5:06 stop the cap!
      I have rolled a truck on its side and I am a demolition race driver speed 25mph. Training day! The term quicken the pace is dangerous to me without a cap. However my trainer and I are fine. Needless to say he does not want me speeding any more.

  • @TheUnhingedPilot
    @TheUnhingedPilot Před 2 lety +3

    i like you but not FedEx as a company

  • @robertlong7033
    @robertlong7033 Před 2 lety

    You bust me up laughing. Here you are diving where your tires never come in contact with an unpaved surface or on places where there's no street lighting. Sorry man, contrary to your long standing belief the whole world is not just one great big city.

  • @jordanzantt4770
    @jordanzantt4770 Před rokem

    Sorry I never had a accident or anything like that my problem is the medical benefits that needs to change .metlife is a fraud and should be removed as an insurance option