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The Table top is Gamesworkshop's greatest priority with Warhammer - however sometimes it is so important it even ends up affecting the real life lore
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Hello Majorkill,
Would you kindly make some lore videos on the Imperial Truth, the Imperial Creed, the Ecclesiarchy? Pretty please? Thank you.
Appreciate you went there with this vid. Good stuff!
Remember the Storm of Chaos tabletop campaign where Chaos lost and Archaon got kicked in the nuts by Grimgor Ironhide, which made GW ragequit Warhammer Fantasy?
Pepperridge Farm remembers.
its a shame because I was always more interested in fantasy warhammer than the 40k..oh well, maybe one day they will stop being sore loser and work on warhammer fantasy again
Remember how GW completely forgot Skarsnik prophet of Mork or how GW ignored their own lore to kill off Thorgrim during that hissyfit?
Pepperridge Farms remembers.
This was all out a better ending. It's also more terrifying as the Orks show they're stronger than chaos undivided. It's not grim dark but it is ominous as fuck dark.
@@charlottewolery558 to be honest, thats was never a question... Chaos is only strong because of the chaos juice, but the boys are naturaly strong as green is the best
that's a good way of putting it. That's beyond embarrassing on top of disgracing themselves with the conclusion.
TTS Rogal Dorn: "The dice has spoken."
“Yes!” also TTS Dorn
"Your services are no longer required"
"I like excitement"
"Boy"
Valrak: “Vindication!”
I still agree with Pancreas No Work that Grimgor should appear in AoS from orky Valhalla just to kick Archeon square in the nuts.
I’m almost entirely convinced that “Gorkamorka” is just Grimgor in a different form, since he was pretty much a god in his own right by the End Times
I believe you mean WAAAGHhalla
@macewindu3492 yes, truly an oversight may GorkaMorka strike me down.
My cat often influence how my table game goes narratively. Spoilers, everyone dies most of the time and the beast snoozes, satisfied
So your cat is like that Khorne Greater Daemon that beats Warpsmith Honsou's rivals in "Dead Sky, Black Sun" ?
So you’re “the gal”
@@cameronpoupard9966she DOES exist!!
You are Gal right? 😂
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I remember from a very long time ago that Eldrad Ulthran beat Abaddon the Despoiler in a melee fight due to one player rolling 1s a lot. I think this was then reflected in the lore afterwards.
It was a white dwarf battle report and it is a gem in the lore. Every time I want to bully a CSM I told them that their best character was humiliated by a shit old eldar with a cane.
As an Ulthwe player at the time that battle report ruled. Like Eldar would have won regardless, but the dude charged Abaddon last turn with Eldrad and the entire seer council just for the plot point.
..and the winner is the homebrew chapter that had Sonic the Hedgehog as their primarch.
I remember an event at the local gw store when I was a teen. A massive battle that needed the whole store to have enoigh tables. As far as I know at least all stores in germany took part and at some point another store called ours to announce a massive airstrike on our tables for some reason. Half an hour later our store called them to do the same to their players. It‘s all a bit vague since it has been a while, but man I wish this could be redone...
The Deathstrike Artillery with unlimited range. You could call someone on the other side of the world and declare a strike.
Accuracy would be lousy tho. But that's funnier.
@@IsmaelSantos-xv9qf I remeber 2 or 3 big holes on some of the tables at the store. They must have hit something!
Helldivers 2 is doing this currently, too many players wanted to kill bugs and the machines collapsed a few key worlds.
PTSD for some a certain Creek planet.
THE CREEK WONT LAST FOREVER.
CREEK STANDS!!!
The Western Front Holds Fast and the door to Malevelon Creek has been partially re-opened as of this post, Mantes is reclaimed while Draupnir is under siege for reclamation. Soon, we will return to Malevelon en masse to reinforce the Rearguard that remained behind.
"I was there", the 2003 Eye of Terror campaign was excellent fun. My Blood Angels Emperor's Champion slew Ahriman in single combat one day (clearly Ahriman just slipped into a warp portal/rift at the last second!) whilst some Guardsmen formed a konga line on another part of the table with their flashlights acting as disco strobes... many guffaws were had that day.
The EoT Codex remains one of my all time favourites and the content sparks _so_ many ideas.
When you roll the dice and summon a random waaaagh 😂
St Molestine made me cackle while driving to work this morning 😂. Thanks
I dropped weights mid workout because of that line
You were talking about the Eye of Terror invasion campaign that was back in '03, I remember it well. Played Iron Warriors was part of a group called the Planetkiller EOT with other CSMs. We learned the mechanics of how the scales on planets and systems worked. We were even given a shout-out in White Dwarf during the summation of the campaign afterwards.
At big events they kept putting my Tau on Chaos cause there were to many Imperium players. So I ended up just giving my Tau chaos symbols and painted them dark colors and when I went to events I would tell them I have chaos tau and they would always say "Oh good cause we have mostly Marine and Guard players."
@@MrWhateverfitshaha oh man that’s great!
“I have Chaos Tau.”
Ref “Oh thank god you’re not another imperium player.”
😂 that is just too funny to visualize
The campaign of thr Plague Wars you told about existed. It was called the Campaign for the Konor System (2017), in which one planet was disputed between Chaos and Imperial forces each week. It resulted in Imperial victory, but had no major impact on the lore, kinda like Ograhm, but without anticipated releases
I still have the eye of terror codex !
As a necron player it was fun to when we were having 4+ player semi free for all battle. I could attack all players as they were trying to bribe me. Great times.
Same, I have it as well. Played several games in the campaign and it was immensly fun with the community being engaged and active. Its a shame we don't have more of these events.
I have a submission! A White Dwarf Battle Report to kick off the Eye of Terror codex supplement (which in turn was part of the event you mentioned, which I partook in) had Eldrad + the seer council charge and kill a 1 wound Abaddon last turn. And thus the Eldrad beat Abaddon lore was canonised.
Also I was part of the Eye of Terror event so can give more info about it! Trying my best to remember because this was so long ago:
1. The first phase of the campaign was utter Imperial domination. Because of that huge SM base, imperial players outnumbered chaos like 10:1. People were more likely to report their wins than losses (or chuck their losses on the Tau front). So this was brute force domination.
2. This essentially forced Chaos players to think super strategically. They analysed how the campaign mechanics worked and came up with a strategy. Basically they would pick one world, bombard it, and then move on. The imperial players would try to catch up but without realising the way the calculations worked meant that they would have to report 10 wins for every 1 chaos win because they didn't do it in a coordinated manner. (Most of the coordination I was aware of was happening on websites and forums).
3. Chaos started winning pretty severely at this point, striking very close to Cadia, just from their ability to coordinate and think things through more strategically. Because you have to remember that whilst all factions have a decent amount of players who are able to reasonably think tactically and strategically, Space Marines as a faction is bolstered by millions and millions of tiny children. The average imperial player was a 12-14 yo kid with a badly painted spacemarine army. So trying to coordinate Imperial players were like herding cats.
4. As you mentioned Eldar players all sodded off by week 5. The webway was never in doubt, the minute we got access to it we took it just from numbers alone. But the loss of the Elder players on the non webway fronts hurt the Imperial side on the real space fronts because like Chaos, Eldar was a faction where the average player was older and able to kind of coordinate.
There were some later swings because the Imperial players started getting more organised, but at the end it was undeniable that on a moral level Chaos won. They didn't take Cadia because they could never really push through the legions of 14 year old Spacemarine players reporting their victories there by default, but they got heaps of the Cadian system itself, and they did it whilst being outnumbered 10:1.
I was actually part of the Abaddon’s Crusade event! I went to Games Day in Chicago (back when we had that) and played in it as well as contributing battle results from games I played with my friends. It was so fun feeling like you were engaged in this massive struggle with all the other Warhammer fans.
I played in Armageddon! played orc, pretty awesome few matches.
As someone who submitted during the fall of cadia event on the Chaos side, we cheated hard to win.
It’s not cheating it’s Chaos sorcery
You mispelled "tzeentchian sorcery". It's ok. Lot of vowels in that one. 😅
I hate u :(((((
What was the cheat? Speaking as a new chaos player.
So you too are Alpharius.
I attended the Warhammer 40K Grand Narrative campaigns for the last 2 years and it seems like they have learned from a lot of these previous campaigns in their current narrative campaigns. Instead of fighting on a major planet like Cadia they set it as a warzone on relatively obscure planets (Palat and Szarbryne) so they could have the winners of the campaign win in canon but not disrupt the narrative too much. Both events were a blast as they hired cosplayers to be warzone commanders and included fun plot twists (like the Imperial inquisitor turning out to be a heretic and being executed and replaced by a Valhallan colonel). Over a year after the first Grant Narrative, the Szarbryne campaign was featured in the Pariah Nexus campaign book, which was neat because it meant our story was canon. It was such a blast that I plan to attend every Grand Narrative in the US for the foreseeable future.
I still think that GW should have turned Storms of Chaos into an Empire invasion of Norsca.
The 2008's giant event was the perfect scenario to have had Guilleman's return! Like when the imperium finally gets pushed back whether slowly or quickly, the demigod of literally organization and Order fucking returns to fend them off!?
A video of the top ten community made wholesome moments would be great
I'm sad that the Green Kroosade doesn't get any mentions in lore anymore, I thought that was super fun.
Last time heard about that was in gothic armada 2. Unfortunatly that entire game is basically non cannon cause of four campaigns and the imperial one has Admiral Spire return from the warp, rally the imperials, kick the asses of Necrons, Tyranids, chaos, orks(The green kroosade) and maybe the aeldari and ultimatly invade the eye of terror and kill Abaddon, all after Cadia was destroyed.
This was the greatest thing about that event as orks didn't really have anything to do so Orkimedes picked octarius and we just all bought in.
I think it was the most talked about part of the event and had nothing to do with the established narrative
Still can't *stand* (pun intended) how they betrayed Cadia after retconning their victory in the 13th black crusade
I was part of one of the war of Armageddon which is pretty accurate to the battles and one of my games at an event is why the tau got upgraded drones in the lore during the Taurus campaign
Remember in fantasy before the End Times happened and GW made an event and claimed that the Tabletop results would influence the lore.
However, chaos kept loosing and GW just sayed "You know what NVM" and had them win in the end and steamroll the other factions anyway.
What would've been the harm in having a happy ending?
@@alastor8091 Tell that to the "But, muh Grimdark!" people
@@alastor8091Feed my damn depression
@@alastor8091 wouldnt have been any, however, Warhammer aint the IP for a one-sided Paragon victory and happy ending with no significant losses.
Reminds me of battletechs clan invasion. I only know of it through older fans, but man, that shit was wild.
Or conquest in MechAssault 2
You forgot the original storm of vengeance campaign, Piscina IV Dark Angels vs Orks. And the Issue with the OG Eye of Terror campaign was because it was a combined 40k/Battle fleet gothic campaign meaning altho Chaos dominated the ground war, the Imperium won all of the BFG games meaning that all of the Chaos fleets got absolutely annihilated, leaving them stranded on the planets they won.
"Even when we win. We lose. Fuck" -Abaddon
But that itself is pretty good lore and wouldn't it have been just as easy to have Abbadon do a 14th black crusade rather than retconning something so iconic?
@@stephenferry3017 it would have been a well good way to bring Chaos into the war in the Webway, allowing them to bypass the Cadian gate completely
@@Coproquim so many better options than "actually, Abbadon wasn't failing and the Imperium wasn't throwing endless bodies in a hopeless, grinding conflict; it was all just as planned. What, that's Creed's thing? Oh, we better kill him then."
But your way means making Eldar relevant, so that can't happen.
Wasnt there a big lore one that was like "the battle of medusa 3"? It had all forces fighting, loyal, chaos, nid,orc,eldar,tau and i think dark eldar too
I thought it was called the fall of medusa 5?
@@Jack-0-lantern ah yea your right
Is that the one im thinking of that had the original Cato Sicaruis model in it with the twin Lightening Claws ? I seem to remember him in a White Dwarf issue. I think it was a rescue mission and they had to get to a Aquilla Lander against Chaos.
@AQMitch no idea, I only heard of the battle in passing and have wanted to learn more about it
@gajeel9798 I just looked it up and found it the White Dwarf issue I had was called the Fall of Medusa V. It was an interesting global campaign from what I remember and was the first time some Named characters like Sicarius were added I think.
I remember this event, it was linked to the Eye of Terror codex supplement. I think it was around the 280ish White Dwarf issues. In my case with my local store you'd have a map of your sector and you'd get given a little sticker that you could place every time you won a game with your chosen faction. I think it was along the lines of Order, Chaos and Orks but I might be mixing that with the similar Fantasy thing they did a little bit later.
Anyway they'd just tally up who put their stickers where and send it off to GW once each week and then in the final week I think most stores invited people to do massive games where you'd bring all your models and they dogpile the board.
That was a heck of an event. We played so many games of 40k when all of that was going on. We all wanted to be a part of shaping the lore and the story. It drove some serious sales at our store too. Great times.
In more recent times the Arks of Omen campaign saw the appearance of Vashtorr the Arkifane as well as the return of Farsight and Angron to the setting and then by the very end of it, with the a Chaos Victory. LION EL’JOHNSON himself returned to the setting.
I think that determining some lore based on games can be fun and engaging. But it also how you integrate the game and result into the lore and make it all blend. An amazing video, and I hope to see more! Cheers!
I took part in the Battle for Oghram campaign on the side of the Tyranids.
Had my first two introduction games against my local GW-store manager during that time:
They were very simplified Kill-everything kind of missions instead of actual objective based games, but I had to learn the basics somehow. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Lost the first game, but won the second and since it wasn't stated anywhere that I had to use the initial result for the campaign, I've entered the victory from my second game, where my (then and still now) unpainted Screamer-Killer tore some pesky Ultramarines apart.
Both games were fun, I eagerly awaited the results and cheered when the Tyranids Om-nom-nommed the Hive World.
I later watched the reveal-stream for the new Tyranid models live, was especially excited for the Norn Emissary and Neurolictor.
So all-in-all I had a lot of fun and it felt great to have ever so slightly contributed to the final result with my participation.
The Fall of Cadia event was fantastic as a teen. It was so much fun to feel like your impacting the lore.
I played a Craftworld Ulthwé Strikeforce in the Eye of Terror campaign as a teenager. It was loads of fun and at the time we really felt like we were shaping the setting. I fell out of the hobby not long after and having recently gotten back into it I am quite displeased to find my precious victories overwritten in the lore with the Fall of Cadia retcon.
I did part of tournament of the plague wars. It came out near the start of 8th edition, battle of the Kobor system. Imperial victories counted to the imperium, chaos to chaos and xenos victories could choose who they wanted their victories to go to as a way of trying to get xenos involvement. That was a week or two weeks on each planet before the results for released. I think only one planet fell over all, as there were just so many imperium players, whilst almost all xenos player gave victories to chaos, the xenos factions were weak then and chaos wasn't particularly strong other than thousands sons with their mortal wounds
I played in one i think it was in 03 for the 13th black crusade. Took my marines to the local gw for a massive game and had a great time. Felt good to be having an imapct on the lore
I played in both the Eye of Terror and MedusaV campaigns. The Big games in the GW store were so much fun. One had a gothic game going on along side that affected the tabletop.
Been in this community for about a year and it’s been fun at. I even sleep to the lore 😅😅.my head wonders a lot and this universe is just what I needed in my life lol
A video on Valerian and Aleya would be pretty cool.
@majorkill A video on each of the primarch’s favourite food would be cool. Also a video on how each of the pirmarch’s would react to being implanted with the butcher’s nails would be cool as well.
Superb video as always @majorkill.
Could you make a video dedicated to the Navigators, the major houses, their politics, relation to the overall Imperium and factions,
I loved playing in the Eye of Terror campaign - the store events and monthly updates in White Dwarf added to what genuinely felt like a global epic at the time (at least for a nerdy teen in the days of a still somewhat immature internet).
I'm pretty sure that there was a battle for Armageddon campaign during 4th? This focused on the armies on Armageddon and Orks. They even showcased it at Games Day in Chicago.
Not Wh40k, but Magic the Gathering let the players decide who won the war for the Golden City on Ixalan. There were dozens of factors, including faction choices on the prerelease, events on Arena, twitter polls, even a weird global geocaching event. In end, the aztec dinosaur riding faction were the overall winner. The final episode of the web ficiton series then depicted the Sun Empire taking control of tne golden city, winning the war in offical canon. It was cool to be a part of ""history"".
There was the 2003 'Eye of Terror' world wide campaign. There was even a Codex for it that had Space Wolf 13th Company, Cadian Shock Troops (yes their own 'dedicated' list), Lost and the Damned, and Ulthwe.
It was about Abbadon's 13th Black Crusades and the results were to shape the future of the game. As I recall the results were so close that ultimately it had no effect on the lore. Interesting the lead up events are pretty much the same as current cannon.
I think this may be a precursor to the 2008 one as I do not remember it being as detail as the one you described. I think I played in both. Long time ago and all.
I remember the old eye of terror campaign. I signed up for it, but didn't play any games. Literally no one around me played in a 30 mile radius. Lol.
Thank you for all your work, consitent always interesting and help me discovering a lot of fun stuff. Cheers from France !
I played my part in the fall of Cadia back in 08’. I remember quite a bit of excitement about it, but chaos had in the bag at my club.
The one about the plague war might've been the fate of Konor, which from what I remember was a campaign launched in 8th edition right after primaris marines came out
And the imperium won because everybody was playing imperium
Oh and xenos weren't even in the campaign, they could just pick either chaos or imperium and their wins and loses would go to that side
Oh also there was a campaign I remember from 2006 called fall of Medusa 5, it was from right as I was getting into the hobby though so I don't really remember much about it other than it happened
Hell yeah 2:30am video
I think a new war for Armageddon could work with this, set it between certain days and stop because the season of fire starts, calculate the scores then work a campaign around that winner.
You missed out the Eye of Terror campaign and the Fall of Medisa V
An the old eye of terror campaign lost Logan grimnar, in a mutual death against some daemons, with some wolf scouts coming in from enemy side melts bombing a despoiler to death the 3 out of 4 getting raped by slanneshy daemonettes the final guy retreating all the way back to friendly lines. But even though the game was supposed to influence the campaign and narrative he miraculously survived
Cadia campaign was 2003 and 2008 was Medusa 5 campaign. Yes I'm that old lol. Also the campaign was not make non-cannon, it was rolled into the Gathering Storm as a prequel event.
Man's talking about being healthy when I'm sitting here pouring curry down my front and quaffing Stella
I fought in the 13th Black Crusade as a Dark Eldar player. It was pretty fun!
Ooo nice topic
5:37 literally Helldivers 2 community haha
i know the fight wasnt a good thing but your vids have been crackin lately just to say. cant get the calender; wife found the other photos when we moved
Quick question, where did you get the video clip with the sister and ultramarine from? Is it a game? Great vid as always! Peace!
Honestly witht the big Tech war going on in lore it would be cool to have the community have a bit of fun with the lore impacts
I fought through all the wvents you mentioned except the 10th edition one. Gw prices finally go me.
That 2008ish campaign sounds a hella lot like helldivers 😂 Kinda want a warhammer 40k, helldiver like game now
I actually did get to play a few games in the Fall of Cadia campaign, but as a Necron player, I didn't really have a impact on the event as a whole. It was fun though. Also there was some controversy with it where it seemed like people weren't actually playing the games and were just submitting a win for whatever faction they wanted to win.
Love it.
Alpha Primus video please
Hello Majorkill,
Would you kindly make some lore videos on the Imperial Truth, the Imperial Creed, the Ecclesiarchy? Pretty please? Thank you.
You should check out the battle report in white dwarf 166 It is literally Is the source point for all of captain tycho's lore Obviously this wasn't a community event though But rather an in studio game.
From the old timers.... the Piscina campaign with Orkimedes and Ghazghkull... 1997, maybe?
Ichar IV
I was there!!
I think these kinds of events are a great idea. The problem with GW seems to be that they have an idea of how the event will or should go down already in their mind, but thats not how the game works. Basically, do not do this type of event if you are not fine with any possible outcome.
Aurum was lost due to a missing heavy flamer shipment, heresy to assume any less, there simply wasn't enough of the emperor's holy fire lol
This is actually really cool. Even though the prices for models are insane gw is wholesome
I would love to take part in an event just like the fall of Cadia it looks like fun.
The 2003 EoT campaign was my favorite. More specifically, the only one that was actually fun.
How about Medusa V?
I played in the 13th black crusade is cadians on cadia. I remember when we won, too.
Like we literally won. Then Abadon threw his massive fit and crashed his stupid Blackstone fortress which was already destroyed into cadia.
Now we have guilliboi.
I just miss Cadia lol.
Where are the clips in the video from?
I helped out at my local GW store during the first armageddon event.
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The Third War of Armageddon was originally a world wide campaign.
It wasn’t just that chaos were weak back then, the core warriors of chaos army was a bit tired and not as popular as it had been, hence they also got all those crazy monsters to make them a bit less dull, I think I played them once that whole edition and it was a store list a new player was using
Was the first battle of Armageddon one decided by table top and battle fleet gothic battles?
I swear there was in store game events for Armageddon.
Check that out please
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I was there when Grimgor nearly killed the guy that nearly killed the Emperor.
The plague wars event was called the fate of konor
As a primarily Battle fan, i was originally pissed off by Storm of Chaos.
And the End Times arrived.
I finally moved to 40k. I'm glad you spoke about it.
Anyone else taking a fat bong rip while ol majorkill was talking about fum or was it just me?
I played in The Third War for Armageddon campain was amazing and did affect the lore. It ended in a messy draw but that fitted.
I also play The 13th Black Cruasde campaign. Chaos won big - any examination of how they clearly shows they were cheating because campaign location was supposed to be random outside the GW set rotas
But results wise chaos win were so high in a very small but crucial area that GW in lore destroyed a planet. And eldrad ulthuan died activating a Blackstone fortress
The problem was chaos won big in the Cadian system that GW had to retcon in. So actual campaign chaos won. In lore they were slight ahead but then just fell back.
So actually the new fall of cadia lore actually reinstates the actual campaign result.
Time to Roll the Dice
I wasn't but my father was he's still slightly peeved about ahriman escaping last second unscathed he still hates that ruling
Yes
I was there when Cadia fell.
Gw should do the storm of chaos in AOS and then just let the results roll for a portion of the realms.
Armageddon was the first one I played in