WHY Long-Nosed And Cab-Overs Are So Different?
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- WHY Long-Nosed And Cab-Overs Are So Different?
Have you ever wondered about the differences between the American long-nosed trucks and the cab-over trucks in Europe?
Join us as we explore the differences in cab design, cab measurements, wheelbase, aerodynamics, safety, and fuel economy between these two types of trucks.
We'll compare the European Volvo FH16 with the American Volvo VNL 860 and the MAN TGX with the Peterbilt and see how they performed in fuel consumption and aerodynamics tests.
Join us as we dive into the world of truck design and see what sets these two apart."
Well let's dive into it.
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00:00 Start
00:21
Cab design
01:25 Cab Measurements
02:48 Safety
03:55 Fuel and
Aerodynamics
06:00 Inside the cab
09:58 The end
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Peterbilt
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Volvo USA
www.volvotrucks.us/
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Kenworth
www.kenworth.com/
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MAN
/ mantrucksandbuses
www.mantruckandbus.com/de/man...
Mercedes-Benz
www.mercedes-benz-trucks.com/
/ mercedesbenztrucksglobal
DAF
/ @daftrucksnv
Fuel test
www.bulktransporter.com/fleet...
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There's a lack of data base to compare US and European trucks. As Australia has both of them, I guess they're the best choice to make this comparison.
True hard to compare but did my best :)
@@TruckTropia American trucks have more features, compared to European trucks
@@banurigopalreddy4014 Not anymore. DAF had modernized the cabin of their trucks.
Hello everyone, I am a mechanical engineer for the paccar group and previously I was a worker at Daimler and Volvo. There are a few glitches in the video, I hope I can help you. To begin with, it is a very common mistake to think that the American truck is more aerodynamic, the European truck uses the drop of water concept which is one of the most aerodynamic, a daf XG+ is more aerodynamic than a T680 Next gen. On the issue of fuel consumption, the European saves much more fuel since really for consumption the European geography is much worse than the difference in aerodynamic resistance due to the extra speed (just see the instantaneous consumption going up a mountain pass with 40 tons at 40mph then compare cruising at 75mph) A 500hp Volvo VNL in Europe with 40 tonnes gets 6.9mpg while its big brother the Volvo Fh 8.7mpg. And believe me that if we take both trucks to a country like Spain, your pocket will hurt a lot, not to mention that they all overtake you going up and down. Another example is the scania S super, which gets 10mpg with 40 tons IN SPAIN that looks like a roller coaster. The only advantage of the American is the time to sleep, the habitability is greater. But the advantages end there, the European humiliates the American in everything else, to use some examples in my group, a T680 next gen is not in the same league / division / step / level... Whatever you want to call it than a Daf XG+ the difference is too big and so with all the groups. Well and not to mention the difference in engines, which are not the same, the difference in quality and performance is very different with Volvo giving 2800nm with 500hp, more Torque than a 565hp X15, a 600hp dd16 or a C15... .
Thanks for sharing 👍
Well said that Man
Having driven both units, I would disagree. Hills don't affect mileage as much as you insinuate. What goes up, goes down. Aerodynamics are generally better on the European trucks,but it's more due to the trailer gap, than the unit itself. The video was very well done, and correct IMO. Very hard to do apples to apples.
"American trucks aerodynamic because pointy" is one of the most frustrating misunderstandings of aerodynamics
@@gordonblomgren8176 hills will affect fuel consumption
you put a lot more energy into going up a hill than you do coming down as on the descent you need to keep the vehicle at a controllable speed so you're constantly braking, turning the gravitational potential energy into wasted heat and noise
I just wanted to say, for future videos it might be nice exchanging km/l with l/100km as that is the measuring system most use. Km/l says nothing to most people....
Here in asia, we mosly use km/L
Since in here motorcycle is most popular so counting with liters makes more sense, lol
@@megimargareth4015 That makes sense really, like calculating how far you can go with the gas you put in. Still for efficiency measures all cars and trucks ive ever seen use l/100km as default measure if not mpg. Wouldnt even think there is a mode for km/l...
Best solution is to include other measuring as a hardcoded subtitle in the bottom of the video when the narrator mention the fuel consumption
Good comparison! I have one criticism though. When comparing fuel consumption you give the consumption in mpg and kilometers per liter. Nobody in Europe measures that in kilometers per liter. We use Liters per 100 km
We dont, where i come from in Europe 😅
@@TruckTropia No way you are using KM/L in Denmark (I assume the channel info is correct). I always assumed that L/100km is the standart. I guess I was wrong
@@felixsmdt I'm italian and I use both systems
There is a video on your channel where you talked about the work of a trucker in Japan and Japanese trucks. You can make a similar material only about South Korea. I also want to see a comparison of Japanese and Korean trucks with European trucks.
One thing I really like about our european trucks is the ability to put that much space into a much smaller cabin. We really made it to use every cm² to the max and offer the driver as much comfort as possible with all our size-regulations. There are some really smart inventions to get everything into the cab AND make it as quiet as a normal car plus offer a flat floor and the ability to stand upright. That plus the high seat position is why I love our cabovers, even if I wouldn't say no to a bit more space, a wardrobe and maybe even a toilet. Would be useful for long distance driving!
Thanks for sharing :)
4:38 that trailer couldn't be any more aerodynamic... unrealistic scenario.
Unless you drive for a NASCAR Team 😅
One thing you missed is that in America, the wheelbases have to be a MINIMUM length. This is how we (bridge designers) design bridges; we assume the truck tractors have a wheelbase of at least 14', and a lower wheelbase will concentrate the load. This being the case, the truck needs to be a minimum length, thus negating the need for a COE.
I’ve heard of this. It’s called the federal bridge formula
And I’m ALL for it. My back thanks the bridge formula. Now only if Ohio would fix their joints
@@jacobhelmlymusic8215 if you drove a European truck you wouldn't be in pain either.
On the interior of American trucks it doesn’t make sense to have 4-6 toggle switches to turn on the lights. You only need one switch with different stages not a dozen toggle switches
Many of them aren’t for lights and instead for auxiliary functions
@@commissionerwyattb6520 I’m talking about light switches why do you need 5 different toggle switches??
@@mzee5533 again for auxiliary functions such as stuff like marker light, high beams, warning lights, for some it may be a led bar or other like it
My USDM Cascadia has one switch for the lights. Just one.
The other switches have to do with suspension height, 5th wheel adjustment, traction/stability control toggling, axle locker toggling, and other ancillary functions.
This goes for our Volvo VNL as well, there is one central light switch for exterior and some for interior lighting as well as the above ancillary functions.
The light switch situation in USDM trucks mimics cars sold worldwide.
The Man has a 13 liter engine and the Pete has a 15 liter engine.
I love the scania V8 770s , volvo FH 16 need
I drove tandem dump truck for over 30 years. The regulations really only regulate safety. There is many old trucks that are uncomfortable with poor sound insulation. Dump trucks exclusively use the conventional configuration with different hood length influencing maneuverability.
Over here dumpers are cabover with dual drive and dual steer.
@@eezergoode8588 yes I’ve seen those trucks when I was in Switzerland. A Eurodumper with a tailgate that was hydraulic. Very cool. My last truck had an automatic transmission with air suspension. Very surprised that I had no orientation to the truck and transmission.
Very good job. Nice and simple to understand. Thx pal.
No problem happy you liked it
Width of trucks should be marked excluding rearview mirrors. Euro truck are cca 3m wide with mirrors. I suspect that is also true for US trucks.
You can get bigger European lorries that have bigger cabs for longer journeys
You certainly can but when is the last time you've seen a scania longline or any of the other longer cab european trucks?
In the end, how much pulled weight determines fuel economy.
Both trucks should have been the same weight and run on the same roads to get a more accurate fuel reading
The trucks should have been by the same manufacturer such as Volvo who could have specified them identical except for the different cabs
@@Retired88M Cloest comparison we can get from Volvo is FH vs. VNL But that's assuming they have identical engines, transmission, and axle layout.
Love it 🎉 great video
Thanks 👍
Cab overs have better vision that's why I like it better.
Nothing can beat an 18 speed 2003 379 with a Cat 3406e
There is a lot out there that will but okay 👌🏾
@@stop_lying_bro (my opinion)
A Scania 16.5 litre V8 770 will eat your Pete for lunch believe me.
A european road can. It's less about the truck than about the landscape.
As I saw on a post, I wouldn't drive a european truck in the USA or an american truck in Europe.
@@darkseid486 understood. I've driven a 99 Pete all done up with a 3406, 18 speed all done up and straight piped hooked to a reefer and they are awesome I have to say. But I've also driven tons of others including now European rigs.
A better choice for comparison woulf be IVECO Stralis and Powerstar as they are literaly the same truck but witha bonnet vs cabover variants.
Please make the next video on Scania's new super 13 liter engine❤️❤️
i might do that :)
It's almost like "American Trucks" are designed for America and "European Trucks" are designed for Europe.
😂😂 you get it 👍
Can you make video where you will describe every part of truck and his placement please? 🙂
👍i Will consider
Safety is a minor concern when no one considers the load you are hauling comes through the back of the cab. Also in a cabover when you hit 99% of road users they are below you and not in your crumple zones.
There is a limit as to truck length. In some states it's total length. I believe here it's 75feet. Trailers are 53 feet. In the late 70s Missouri trailer was only 40 feet.
I am a us truck driver. I can assure you that we have zero airbags. In the event of an accident, they would do more harm because we will not be stopped by the time the effectiveness goes to zero. If they extend the effectiveness time, we would not be able to control it if we are able to. We keep driving it until it is stopped.
All volvo trucks in the USA have airbags
false information i guess. if you hit a wall its instant stop even for your mighty truck
@@mikkihintikka7273 it's not false. I have driven volvos before
@@LifeOn18Wheels dont care. airbags wouldnt made things worse thats for sure.
edit: typo correction "back" --> "bag" 1 linute after posting the comment
I’m also driving a Cascadia and it has a driver airbag on the steering wheel. But there is no regulatory requirements for them in the US.
In my opinion, what causes the shape of the cabin to be different is because of the driver, the average European tends to be thin, while Americans are not too tall and the average is obese.
That's a bit of a stereotype, and while it's not entirely untrue, you are over exaggerating it a bit. IMO the main reason the cab shapes are different is simply the geography of where they operate. North American roads are long, straight and wide. In Europe truck drivers have to deal with tighter, more narrow roads which the cab over design is better for.
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Long nose for ever
I swear to god I have seen this video a few months ago! 🤣 Or was it a general comparison one instead?
This is more detalied and about cabs👍
@@TruckTropia I see, thanks.
@@TAURON85 Hope you enjoyed
@@TruckTropia Yes, it was both entertaining and informative, as always! The narrator also does a great job!
Nobody uses kilometers per liter. It's liters per 100 kilometers.
Volvo VNL860's height is not 123.62 in. In fact it's higher than Volvo FH16.
Who says km/liter. We use l/100km
As far as cabs the American is a win can't beat space however it does depend on how long of distance for going for American cab are better for a long haul. Euro is good for visibility.
Euro Cabovers are good for driving in cities/docks and parking with limited space
Just did a a little comparison with the volovo fn 6×4 and volovo vnl 760 and the fn total length is 10000mm or 32 feet and 9 inches where as the volovo is 10147.3 mm or 33feet and half inch so only 3.5 inches longer plus the vnl 760 being skinnier and shorter yet giving the driver better room in cab and possibly being safer and more aerodynamic so why still use the cab over engine
Cab over 😉
Cab over is better than long nose
hear are all the trucks built in aus Kenworth Mack Isuzu Volvo Scania Hino DAF Western Star Mercedes-Benz Freightliner and UD I'd love to see a video Australian and American trucks and Australian and European trucks
A Australian Truck Engine Comparison is comming soon :)
@@TruckTropia I mean trucks in general
Now south africa uses cab overs and super link trailers basically 2 long trailers
I am a truck driver 12 years international I am looking for a job with 30 countries customs cargo transportation
I have done international Customs and Cargo transportation for 12 years, so I want to set up my own business and open my company in Canada.
American Truck is good safety and Disine ...and Driver comfort....
American truck manufactures have never heard of term “ergonomics” The interior of American truck are terrible designed and not very driver friendly; especially old Freighliners, beside International trucks are the worst, they fall apart even when they are brand new.
American trucks are super driver friendly. International is definitely shit though.
@@Jasonsminiadventure Modern trucks are much more comfortable and driver friendly now than they were even a decade ago, and if you wanna see an uncomfortable interior look up 50s and 60s truck interiors
@@Jasonsminiadventure you can go for Freightliner, which is owned by Daimler Trucks North America.
@@banurigopalreddy4014 Or Volvo VNL. Some engines and transmissions are shared with FH.
Hold up .... this is reupload. Why you re-uploaded?
Watch the video, is not re-uploade, this is a more detlaied version with focus on cabs.
@@TruckTropia already did
Eu trucks (lorries) different than US because of no nose design.
Hello. How about trucking in japan, china & thailand?
How its like being a truck in Japan is here: czcams.com/video/oSb4chWCXuI/video.html
THE 6X4 TRACTORS ARE RARE IN EUROPE !!!
THE MAXIMUM WEIGHT IN EUROPE FOR A SEMI TRUCK IS 44 TONS !!!
JC ANONYMOUS PATRIOTE FRANCE.
Not here in sweden, we have a max of 74 tons and 24 meters. And me myself are driving a Volvo FH16 with 6X4 and a lowtrailer after it and i can weigh 60 tons on my rig
@@isakeriksson9162 YES.
IN FRANCE WE HAVE 6X4 WITH 120 TONS OF CAPACITY WITH SPÉCIAL SEMI.
HEAVY TRANSPORT.
AND OVER.
BUT NORMAL IS 44 TONS FOR SEMI TRUCKS.
JC ANONYMOUS PATRIOTE FRANCE.
Wait, they’re both European trucks
Built for different markets.
VNL is 85% American. Only the D13 engine and I shift is euro.
I would prefer American one's because of the comfortable they give. Being a truck driver means to live in your car for a while and you can't do it in 3 m
Given European truck suspension is superior, longer travel, etc, the American trucks leave me deaf and sore.
New American trucks have similar suspensions too.
European lorries are limited to 64mph not 56
I thought it was 56 or is that just the uk?
@@Savagetechie British lorries are definitely 64mph but i just assuming the rest of Europe would be the same as British and other European lorries go on each other’s roads all the time
@@jammiedodger7040 I thought over 12 tonne was now 56 in the UK? Although I think it only applies to vehicles registered after 2001. I may be wrong though. I'll check the C&U regs.
@@Savagetechie They put it up a couple of years ago but it really depends on the type of road as even though they can do 64mph they are legally required to go slower on certain road types but then before the 1960’s almost everything went by rail in Britain until some knob took an axe to it as we can all agree that rail is better than road unless It is a extremely short trip were lorries and even buses make sense.
@@jammiedodger7040 have they got rid of the daft 40 limit on A roads? Definitely a throwback to the drum brake era.
4.5km/l? who uses that?
Most of Europe
@@TruckTropia Litres per 100km
an American truck more aerodynamic than a European? That is false. A European truck is much more efficient both aerodynamically and consuming less.
Conventional trucks are better for longer hauling distances so aerodynamics is important
Sorry to say I don’t need a lumbering beast of a truck with a cab the size of a small house for 5 days a week work in the Uk ,
My super space DAF XF is just fine enough for me
Also this cab size is ok for my Euro trucking brothers who double man for weeks on end
That’s because you can drive the entirety of the UK in a day. Of course you don’t need a sleeper cab.
From the northern tip of Scotland to the southern coast of England, it is about 600 miles. That’s like driving Portland, OR to Sacramento, CA
Cab overs as he calls them have a terrible ride quality for the passenger however here in America are electric trucks are cab over
New ECascadia is long nosed, as well as Tesla semi?
Europe best
Good comparison but to keep it simple, American trucks are superior but because of the EU limitation, Eu truckers have no choice.
If you drive your trucks over here in the British Isles, Continental Europe and Scandinavia, you'll understand why we have the rules that we have. How often in the States do you encounter narrow, twisty roads, roundabouts and tight turns to name a few on a daily basis?
@@aidanwilliams1621 but still better, American truck is fast beautiful gentlemen and best truck ever
@@aidanwilliams1621 Specifically peterbilt and kenworth
@@thespeakersreview99 Bring your Kenworth or Peterbilt into Europe and we'll have a chat
Definitely not superior when 1, most still have drum brakes ,2 leaf springs are still the norm on the front axle, 3 they love the shop because US brands can't seem to get emissions right, 4 you can't even adjust ride heights unless you dump or fill the bags. Sorry, but US trucks just look good and sound good, only custom rigs with longs frames and bags on the front axle come close to the ride quality of a EU truck. I know because I've driven many of both.
Scania v8
That doesn't help
Cabover is always to go especially Scania UwU
What...? I like Scania cuz im a diehard fans, especially 4 series and next gen series okay! But hey i also like Volvo FH too
Ehem... Well Cabover is just not only good looking, but also really suitable for styling and adding accessories such as lightbox, light bar, michelin dolls, etc
As for the space... High cab will provide an upper bed which is more larger and spacious than lower bunk
Or have Volvo XXL have ur demand that has similar length like K100 normal cab length and also Scania is currently developing Premium cab which is have similar length as Volvo XXL
Well guys i just hope cabover makes a comeback in US. Nikola is now making it happen and hope we will have Scania and FH series to come to US just like AU
Never in my hole life im gonna step into american truck. They old,slow,bad looking. I prefer scania daf man and so on
This is like comparing a torch to a fire extinguisher.. There is no way that MAN had a ave. fuel consumption of 47l/100km, those are scandinavian 60+ton numbers, not continental 44ton fuel consumption, unless it was mountain terrain. My old Scania R730 had 46l/100km ave. in Norway with 50tons, so im not buying this
Im not Selling anything just trying to compare with what info is avalible 😅👍
@@TruckTropia I do enjoy your videos just fyi. Where did you get your info on the MAN consumption? If you don't mind me asking?
American Trucks are.looong not Komfort..noisy.., agly..
europian truck are better in my opinion, they are easier to maintain in my opinion
No no no and never, American trucks are much better for long and near trips how aero cabins and rest areas, American trucks are a masterpiece and europeans just like toys
Sorry but you're totally wrong.
I drove in Europe from 1991 until 2006 from 2006 until back home in the United States.
The only thing European trucks are better is power and the torque of the engines and this only happens because American trucks don't need that amount of power. The country is mostly flat and they run with less weight.
You said maintenance?
How is it better on a European truck?
To work on the engine you need to clean the whole cab and lift it to access the engine and you don't have that much space to work. The American trucks you need to open the hood and you have all the space you need.
@@thespeakersreview99 you're stuck in 1970
@@Europets2???? Stuck, what stuck, eu truck like toy and for boy, USA TRUCK FOR REAL GENTLEMAN, LOOK IN CZcams AND REAL LIFE, How they drive in their trucks in america, they're like cowboys because they know they carry a bull with an engine of 600 to 1000hp
@@MannyPrimaveraRodrigues Remember even though the HP is smaller but the torque America truck is a bull because it is very strong on a sharp climb even though the road is snowy
thank you for the video
1897 is spelled eighteen ninety seven :)
youtube took down this comment thinking i was bullying you for some reason, i think its up to you to decide right ?
thanks again for the informative video
American are the best