How Progressives Are Just Like Racists
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- čas přidán 13. 07. 2024
- In How Progressives Are Just Like Racists, you will learn over a dozen ways how racists and progressives have a similar psychology, and how this psychology leads people to dehumanize others and commit acts of evil.
Chapter markers:
00:00:00 Intro
00:07:44 Identity Politics
00:14:26 Cognitive Similarities
00:23:29 Emotional Similarities:
00:33:49 Operational Similarities
00:38:45 Why Is This A Threat?
00:40:38 Conclusion
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thats not a mustache thats just two extra eyebrows
Loveee the part where you compare anyone to the left of you to a eugenicist before using eugenicist talking points and references to IQ, without evidence, to suggest that your critics are simply of a lower calibre, mentally speaking. This is super logically consistent and doesn’t make it seem like you’re projecting! At all!
Oh cool, everybody who doesn’t agree with you is also simply traumatized or mentally ill. You’re actually the only rational one. You sound like a Nazi.
While he may not have cited anything on that he's still correct.
Ree much?
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Of course someone with low IQ is offended by their own low IQ and proves they have low IQ by not understanding what words even mean. Dumber people exist, and they're not killed off. That's not how eugenics work, that's just a matter of fact statement. Try again before your fee fees get hurt. He talked about both the left and the right, but it seems it hit your nerves severely, almost as if it proved that you can't listen to the video properly and think in black and whites and so on. Please define what eugenics means and I'd happily be able to tell you about the massacre of disabled and black people in this modern 2024 day merely in the US alone. Here's a hint: it dehumanises people. Hopefully you know what that word means, too. Extra hint: being treated as non-human. P.S. someone calling you out for being cultish isn't "eugenics". Extra hint: eugenics is all about eradicating humans. I think you're fine. Unless in your country they force lower intellect people to not give birth? Because I think people have already brainwashed them into that, so maybe you're right but you're literally targeting the wrong person if so. He's not stopping dumb people or leftists from having kids even in your head words mean nothing and you believe he is. P.P.S. using fancy words just means you found them on the internet and is more-so used by elitists. That's something you can improve with the internet easily. Intellect, however, is fixed, and getting offended by a lower intellect comment whilst simultaneously not understanding what eugenics is, is a beauty to witness.
Dare I say that this is a narcissistic tactic I've noticed over and over again with very linear thinking: it's always the projector throwing the word "you're projecting" first. Which is just funny. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and just believe that you as a typical extreme leftie didn't watch all of the video and just copy-pasted a talking point you heard from someone else, and that you're not an actual person with a lower IQ who watched the whole video and clearly couldn't even understand the first few minutes, because that's all it took to notice his impartiality. He's a leftist, and he's talking negatively about both the left and the right, at least for both very extreme sides. But it seems as if only the very extreme left are very publicly online and don't allow impartial grey discussions, OF COURSE!
Sincerely, a centre leftist that the leftist cult uses every tactic to declare me otherwise, just like him. Your hive has gone so far left that it's just a dictatorship where everyone's apparently the leader, and everyone who's not a far-leftist is seen as right-wing. This has been known for a while and people here are proving it.
So, I will give you and example. I am Brazilian, I live in the middle of the Amazon jungle, and feminism is something that really makes me alarmed.
I'm not a traditionalist by any stretch of the imagination. Protecting, respecting and elevating the women in my life is something I have been taught from the crib.
To me, there is no doubt that there is an imperialist technocratic feminist project steaming out of the US.
There is a clear attempt to divide people by creating divisive discourse. I know Brazilian feminism, and that's not it. It has never been. I have my gripes with them too, but I do believe they have good intent and would never trade the men who fight for them everyday for some hollow "international sorority" concept. And it is something that I will *always* bet on.
By one side, is it a psy-op? Probably. For sure it is pushed here by activists funded by god-knows who.
Maybe it is just that the CIA, the US army, the pundits who push for war just are very hyped in pushing this stuff, it is their mission in life.
Maybe you love feminism and thinks "so what?". I want you to think how they got to push anarco-capitalism on Russia in the 90s and the consequences of it.
If ever this comes to fruition, and it will, probably in Iran first. The worst, most destructive form of it will be pushed.
Considering how the USA has established a non-stop intelligence war against Brazil for the last 70 years, and no doubt it's most successful campaign, I'm deeply concerned about my country.
Imagine pure anti-family policies being pushed, imagine the school system that would come out of something like that, or whatever insane idea you have heard coming out of some edge-lord academic being implemented.
Pure Social Engineering just like the eugenicists.
The current leftist ideal is anti-people and pro-social engineering.
Projection: The Video
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Do you think that if someone uneducated doesn't get allowed to be hired to be a lawyer, do you think that's eugenics or something lmao?
I consider myself progressive, but I don't think this does a good job describing me at all. The example you give where progressives would think that any support for Israel is support of genocide, and not being able to distinguish between support for Israel's government vs support for jewish people in general... I of course can easily understand this distinction and have been aware of this important distinction for years. I would say that I catastrophize more than the average liberal about things like climate change or some of the recent supreme court decisions. For instance, after the Dobbs, decision, it's not crazy to think that Obergerfell will also get overturned. This isn't just progressive catastrophizing; many lawyers agree it's on the table.
In all fairness not all progressives are the same as not all far right are the same. He even said this in the beginning of the video
What if people have reasons for believing what they believe? This kind of lens seems like a convenient pretext to not listen to people.
Exactly boo hoo poor Israel it’s antisemitism to support Palestinians even though they are Semites lol
I think the biggest mistake is trying to place people and their political beliefs across some imaginary line that runs from left to right. Political ideologies can still vastly differ among people who make up the far left or far right. Personally I identify as a progressive, but I absolutely agree that things like racism, classism, sexism, etc. are still very abundant among people who identify themselves as progressive. Everyone is unfortunately susceptible to bias. Also in my personal experience with some people who identify as moderates/centrists I wouldn’t consider them inherently open thinkers lol. You’ve got some moderates who are aggressively pro-choice, pro-life, anti-vax, pro-vax, etc.
Anyways… CZcams randomly recommended this video… that’s why I’m here lol
or fortunately susceptible to bias
I think I would like to add a layer to that, and point out that a lot of moderates also opperate under the assumption that whatever opinion lies between the "two extremes" must be the correct one, or that "extremes" are inherently wrong. The issue is that this isn't always the case, especially where justice and equity are concerned. As a lot of activists of the civil rights movement pointed out, the biggest issue with the centrist/moderate is that they value peace over justice. Injustice is acceptable so long as there is order.
From a genuine intellectually honest position, please understand that so much of the similarities you outlined are also traits that centrists have. i wish there was a term called far-center because so much of what you are criticizing is dogmatism in your own ideology and group which exists in every political sect. Think of all the centrists who defend biden now, are they not delusional, do they not cling to their beliefs? Centrists love to call both sides wrong and think of themselves as the rational ones just because they support the status quo.
Politics truly makes people dumber
120 likes, 118 dislikes. I'm so glad I'm not alone here.
How do you see dislikes? I don't see it on the app or using the brave browser which I'm using now which everyone should use.
Also, the quote about "they used to hate you for your race then they couldn't, then they'd hate you for religion then they couldn't, now they hate you for your state."
A lot of the vitriol that comes into political conversations happens for this EXACT reason. People insist upon conflating political positions with racism.
And it's unproductive. I don't even particularly like to call Trump supporters racist. Do i believe his anti-immigration policies would disproportionately hurt non-white people? Yes. Do i believe that on some level the dehumanization of those non-white people allows people to endorse strict anti-immigration policies? Yes. But is it productive to call them racists, when i could just calmly explain why i believe they're wrong and why i disagree? No.
Similarly, it's not productive to conflate political conflicts about a Jewish state, with racial distaste for Jewish people.
And it's just so dishonest, i mean you're saying yourself that most of the pro-palestine people are hyper-woke people. They're very much not a demographic who in any way garners any type of dehumanization of Jews in the same way i just described Trump supporters having a sub-conscious degumanization of Latin American immigrants.
We're pro-palestine because we're anti-colonization and whether you agree with us or not, we see the israeli state as a colonial project.
Whereas I appreciate the literacy involved in this video and I think it's a good meditation (the early 20th century progressive comment is apt) from my end, interpretation of what you read is more important. To me, this video is a composite of a variety of ideas from scholars who aren't necessarily correct or who have been distorted here, mashed with a wide generalization of the left that not only lacks precision, but I think is colored by an often unseen centrist arrogance typical of a conventional mediacized opinion fed to the willing, the weak, and very often, the unimaginative.
I think this literate but still very milk-toast centrist opinion only serves to maintain the status quo (and the intenerant power structures, assuming there is something deeply flawed in them) and helps to make the center of western social politics "right-wing-light", opening the doorway to more extreme forms of far-right politics that are demonstrably dangerous to any marginalized group.
The "low-verbal skills" and the "cognitive splitting" ideas were low blows, and remind me of the sort of language political idealogues have historically used to suggest certain groups are inferior, and from that grand scholarly position, those idealogues are implying they have the tools (and apparently the self-perfection) to judge, using frail tests (they made up) and dated thinking, to pick from the bones of people who, even according eugenics logic, can't fight back.
Maybe the "mental-flexibility" that the center is supposed to have could also mean "pliability"? Just a thought...
you're clearly a leftist
This is just a verbose and thinly veiled way of calling him a fascist enabler because he criticizes people under your umbrella.
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A lot of text? I'll give you that, but I don't think I veiled anything. I mean, you said it more concisely (although facist has a specific hyper-nationalist note I didn't directly imply), but I tried to argue against his lack of precision, so I thought I should be precise.
Also, I'm speaking more to the idea of oppressive centrist thought than just the right, since he identified as a centrist, which in "American" English can often be code for "I'm right because I ride the line, and balance means correctness". It's a false flag, and only works when you focus on people on the far left/right as default deplorables. It just seems strange that many think that the center can't have it's own pitfalls. Just an opinion
@@nidhishshivashankar4885agreed, progressives live in complete cognitive dissonance when it comes to how their positions on racism come across to liberals. Forget the past eugenicists who identified as progressives, they aren’t even against racism in the current day, “racism/discrimination is a moral good as long as it’s against the dominant group”.
@@evazinz9755 The question that you have to ask your self is if the racism is a core element of the ideology or a personal oppinion. Someone who's politicaly a progressive or far left leaning can be a racist, antisemite or what ever. But in which way is it caused by the political ideology they follow? In fact this becomes quite visible when you look at an extreme fascist ideology like national socialism under Hitler. Here the whole ideology is build around "racism" and "antisemitism". But would you believe that there actually have been Nazis which have been sympathetic with Jewish people? Crazy. But they existed. Unicorns among their ideology. That does NOT change however what the base of the NS Ideology was.
So when a progressive tells you something racist always ask your self if it is the individual speaking or if it's his ideology. Just saying that "progressives are just like racists" does not make progressivism racist. You kinda have to show that the IDEOLOGY behind progressivism actually is racist.
fun fact: even political scientists dispute the validity of horseshoe theory. i can draw parallels in thinking between liberals and the far-right if i wanted to. the nazis heavily relied upon american eugenics and much of lebensraum is based upon manifest destiny. not to mention, why has the US and the west allied themselves with authoritiarian, far-right regimes alarmingly often (even if they aren't fascist)? take for example suharto's regime in indonesia which massacred upwards of 750000 people. the US (liberal led country btw), without hesitation, aided and abetted the massacre of thousands of potentially innocent civilians. they supplied his regime with weapons and logistical support. liberalism, without a doubt, can enable fascism and extremism when it feels feasible.
also, we haven't even gotten into the extensive history of eugenic pseudoscience often propagated by the liberal west in its indubitably colonialist/imperialist endeavors.
This has the same energy as
"The government has conducted an investigation within its own department and has determined that there has been no crime commited."
@@Geminilion100 explain; im assuming you dispute the political scientists that suggest that horseshoe theory is bullshit. even without those findings, horseshoe theory is evidently false just by looking at liberal-fascist relations. there's dozens of sources that support this lol.
@@no0412 Here's the thing. I don't care to ascribe behavior to a theory. You can throw out as many sources as you want, but a contained study is only so great a barometer when it comes to actual human interaction. And ultimately, I find that the people who infantalize other races and constantly trying to give them special treat do infact think very little of them.
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"the people who infantalize other races"
admitting that systemic racism exists isn't racist, dude. institutions are discriminatory against black and hispanics in the united states. this a is well documented fact. blaming people for mistakes on an individual level works, but blaming black people for being poor is kinda reductive. liberals tend to think that individuals are responsible for nearly everything that happens/doesn't happen. ignoring what institutions and corporations do dilutes the picture you have. people think that other groups, when given similar opportunities, can certainly do better for themselves. the issue is mostly institutional. people are not going to have better education without fixing schooling, for instance.
denying systemic racism is such a low bar lol, i don't know if im going to keep engaging with this.
"I don't care to ascribe behavior to a theory. You can throw out as many sources as you want, but a contained study is only so great a barometer when it comes to actual human interaction."
good, i agree. im just bringing up the fact that even the people who make these theories find them asinine. the political spectrum is a pointless exercise to homogenize groups of people. the video in question tends to do that while critiquing people who do supposedly homogenize people. it's premise is flawed.
Well first off the liberal west of the 19th and early 20th century was not liberal as it now defined. Fascism is also hostile to liberalism in the general sense because ultimately liberalism must be democratic. Fascism hates democracy. Fascism is built on hierarchy. A hierarchy based on survival of the fittest, where the strong are on top and the weak are eliminated if not made servile. Fascism thrives on nostalgia for the mythical past and the eternal conflict of cultures and blood.
They have science and academia on their side....well said
Look at some of idiotic ideas that have come out of academia though ..
the most idio.tic video I've ever watched in the entire history of youtube. The perfect example of "I'm just going to compare everything with anything nonsensically, and hope it'll make me look smart."
This is the problem with youtube. Everyone can buy a mic and pose as an "expert" now.
Really nice video!
How youtubers with middling channels are just desperate for clicks
i know this video is specifically focusing on the progressive left and the racist right but i think it is important to mention that all groups practice identity politics. when a republican candidate stands up and talks about god and being a good christian family man or woman they are infact participating in identity politics and the left does the same in their own way.
He did mention both play identity politics
@AbiGailMarie33 I was more commenting on the fact that it is not reserved for just the extreme left and the extreme right rather it is present in both parties even in their most base level. identity politics are just politics at this point, particularly in the stat with its dual party politics
I appreciate it is very possible he touched on this and I missed it
i have been saying for YEARS that there is no "identity politics", it's just politics.
@@amrcngrlintheuk25Can we talk about the follies of the left for once without resorting to
"B-but, they did it too!!"
@Geminilion100 I quite literally said it is something that is done on both sides and not reserved for the extreme versions of either side. It was a comment on the fact that all of politics is played in an identity forward fashion, not just extreme politics. his whole video is a commentary of how the extremes of both sides are behaving. it was him drawing a parallel between one side to the other, thereby highlighting the issues on both sides. I wasn't saying well they do it too! I was saying it's not just extreme or progressive left or racist far right it is left and right in general. this was not an attack on republicans. but I can see that it is a hot button issue for you.
If you guys want historical and material analysis
Ditch the 'stache
Dig the beard
Go read Kapital, leave this rad centrist to his "feels like" bs
Pure logorrhoea
You should lose your license! Yikes !
Hey Joe, I've studied a bit of political science in my day I'm currently a sophomore, still in college, I really like how you talked about a few different topics that are related to what we might call political psychology, very informative and educational stuff, it might be a bit of mental gymnastics but I'm rather interested in ideology in political science, horseshoe theory doesn't really seem to have much merit to it in political science in general, for example due to your own ideology and world view of centrism, you used progressive as a shorthand for the left and you didn't use far-right as a short hand for racist ( in fact i don't think it's possible to be far right and not have some racist believes, as you eluded to the fact that being on the far right doesn't necessarily make you racist)
even if that were not the case horseshoe theory is also called something else, it's called the centrist/extremism spectrum the ends of that spectrum don't really touch they actually seem to coalesce into things like duginism, Strasserism, or maybe more commonly known as the third position,or even be ba'athism.
Okay.... I am about a minute into this..... and I just need to ask you one question to see if I will bother watching the rest because so far this early on there is still a chance this is like satire..... So the question is .... Were the Nazi's socialists?
Sources please?
Yeah, I was wondering the same thing lol.
Current day, USSR and Nazi Germany
Since it comes out of his ass, he's not going to be able to produce these.
His feelings.
Could you be more vague and less specific?
Hi, so I strongly agree with the core premise that there are similarities between progressives and the far right.
I especially agree with referencing the history of eugenics, or also prohibition, or high modernism and it's relationship to redlining. All great examples of how the left embraces a sort of scientism that can sometimes be totalizing in ways that are harmful.
I also think that it's worth criticizing identity politics as overly essentialist. I don't agree with people who get angry about cultural appropriation, or who see any sexualization of women as objectifying, and just in general I think the world is better when we think of one another as more similar than different.
But-
I think you've muddied your point by tying together this analysis with israel-palestine debates.
For one thing, I've actually heard a lot of what I call "identity politics" coming out of the pro-israel crowd. Things like saying "white western college students who bought a keffiyeh on Etsy shouldn't be speaking on this issue."
That idea, that the only people who have a right to speak on an issue are those directly affected and that anyone with privilege should just shut up is exactly what I hate about identity politics. And it's being weaponized by both sides of this israel-palestine conversation right now.
For another thing, no, I don't think it's at all reasonable to conflate Anti-Semitism with Anti-Zionism.
Regardless of how you view the situation, those of us who are pro-palestine see Israel as a colonizing force in the region, similar to the settlers in the U.S. We also see Zionism as endorsing something akin to an Ethnostate for Jews by making it harder for people to immigrate there *unless they're Jewish in which case they have policies making it so that anyone can "return home."
Now, don't get me wrong here, I've seen some things online where the Anti-Zionism can fuse with and become Anti-Semitism. I saw someone harass a Rabbi at an ice-skating rink with pro-palestine mottos.
But I've seen similar harassment from pro-israel people online too so I don't make much of it either way.
I'm not going to try to change your mind on the conflict at large today, that's too big a project for a CZcams comment. But I do suggest that if you want to get literally anyone like me, anyone pro-palestine to listen to you. Stop conflating us with Anti-Semites.
It's not true and it's just a bad argument.
Criticizing a state for ethnocentric policies, or for commiting ethnic cleansing on a colonized people has nothing to do with Anti-Semitism, and even if you don't think those things are happening. WE DO.
Whoa. Okay slow down there. So you criticize people for things like low verbal ability, can I ask what evidence you have of this? That seems like the kind of things you should back up with very strong sources. Of course if people are going to be representing a cause whether progressive or not they're going to tend to use slogans from that cause and limit their choices of words. People who have been convjnced to join a cause are to going to reflect the stance of that cause and that means adopting certain norms and keeping a consistent voice and choice of phrases. I don't know that it should considered indicative of those peoples cognitive ability. Alongside other claims of anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism and the Hamas comments I feel like this is just a mess. These are more dense topics than I think you can do credit to here. I appreciate the effort of the video and I think that highlighting similarities between different types of radicals is valuable this feels half-baked at best. Perhaps a bit irresponsible at worst. In particular despite this being an opinion piece it feels like it's trying to masquerade as journalistic or scholarly. I think making it clear this is an opinion piece would be a wise thing to do for instance.
You should do a rebuttal
Dig yer thinking dude 😎
Thank you for your perspective and insight on this, especially because its often a highly emotional discourse and difficult to address such shortcomings and problems.
One thing that I would like to point out is that the horseshoe-concept you mentioned in the end can and has led to some disruptive portrayals of the dangers posed from the left and right. An example from my home country Germany would be centre-lef and right politicians equating right wing and left wing radicalism and arguing that left-extremism is overlooked, despite statistics showing that the amount of left-extremist violence is much lower than right-extremists violence. By no means this legitimizes one or the other, but its important to keep in mind how these concepts can also be used to frame a discourse according to ones ideology.
"[...] despite statistics showing that the amount of left-extremist violence is much lower than right-extremists violence."
I wouldn't say they are much lower. The number of politically motivated acts of violence in 2023 were:
right: 1270
left: 916
total: 3561 (this contains all political motivations)
For 2022 the numbers were:
right: 1170
left: 842
total: 4043
My first (more expansive) comment got deleted, so if you want to know more about this get the official report from the Bundeskriminalamt.
@@stevesc5 Nice try ... posting numbers without telling us what's behind them. Let me help you out here, with data from the German Verfassungsschutz:
Of the 1270 violent Right-wing offences, 1016 were "bodily injury offences" with 874 of these having a *xenophobic background.*
Of the 916 violent Left-wing offences, 481 were directed *against the police, and 204 against Right-wing extremists.*
In other words, Left-wing extremists attack or defend themselves against police forces and Right-wing extremists, while Right-wing extremists attack their out-groups, most of them being ordinary people from other countries or looking like foreign people.
Furthermore, Right-wing extremists are organised in t3rror1st organisations like "Die Heimat", "Die Rechte", "Der III. Weg", "Suspect threat AfD", and others, while Left-wing extremists are not organised in t3rror1st organisations but belong to "the autonomist scene" in general and fight against fascism, capitalism, repression, and gentrification (according to the Verfassungsschutz!).
You misused statistical data to equate Left-wing extremism with Right-wing extremism, although they have vastly different targets and motivations.
Why do you inflect everything like it’s a question? Are you from the northwest?
Here's the thing about your antisemitism point:
I'm German. We kind of have a bit of a history of being hated by everyone. I'm very used to the idea of people being fine with my nationality, but absolutely not being fine with what my country did a couple decades ago. Plenty of people are old enough to tell stories of the Russians raping their way to Germany, because "Germans bad".
There is two conclusions to what you said: Either Jews are in some way special in how their actions are intrinsically linked to their Jewish identity, whereas other people can be considered individuals, or there also is little difference between criticising the actions of the Nazi regime and being racist against ethnic Germans.
Russia has been trying to do this too: They routinely dismiss criticism of their invasion of Ukraine as "russophobic". You don't like us bombing civilians? Well you must really hate Russians then.
Fact is, Israel is currently invading its neighbour, massacring civilians, and doing everything in their power to depopulate the area. This is, by any reasonable definition, a genocide. So there are two options: Either it is possible to criticise this situation independently of any racial ideas about Jews, or it is effectively impossible to criticise genocide.
And I'm gonna be honest: if I ever find myself in the camp where the doctrine is "some genocides just shouldn't be criticised", then I know I need to leave the Nazi camp and figure out how the hell I got there.
On the formation of the state of Israel. The most widespread fallacy I see is that people actually think that the European powers created Israel. That did not happen. The resolved to, but their efforts were unsuccessful. They gave up and pulled out, leaving multiple groups in the land left over after the creation of Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and Egypt, who had opposing plans for the land. The Israelis were the most organized and most ready to found a state. So, they did. They announced their independence and were promptly attacked by an army composed of forces from 6 Arab Muslim nations. Israel won the war, establishing their first borders. No one gave the Israeli's a state. The British and the UN both promised a national homeland, but failed to do anything but infuriate every stakeholder in the region. Israel created herself.
Dude, the nazis were funding Israel.
Sounds like you're just a right winger drawing a false parallel as right wingers tend to do. 😂
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More likely it's rage bait for engagement which is why I've told YT not to recommend this channel anymore.
A left-winger not acting like a hivemind = right-winger. Ok, got it! Your left-wing is a cult.
@@Lioness2895 Rage-baiting is all the rage these days. I never want to "Don't Recommend" channels but YT keeps pushing this !@#$ into my feed.
Are you starting this video out by accusing people who are protesting against the people who are currently doing brutal eugenics?
This ought to be interesting...
Define eugenics.
@@bunille In this case? Jewish Supremacy. Claims on a piece of land based on pseudoscientific racism and ahistorical myths.
I suggest the Americans return the Ark of the Covenant, they open it over there, and whosever face doesn't melt gets to keep the place.
Read Savoj Zizek's book Freedom: A Disease Without a Cure. Political correctness has its roots in colonialism
At the beginning you said that you believe there is little to no difference between zionism and antisemitism but you never explained. Antizionists are against the israeli state that committed the Nakba in 1948 and has continued to oppress and massacre Palestinians, all leading up to the current genocide in Gaza. We have no issues with non-zionist Jews and many of us are Jewish ourselves.
Judaism as a whole is a racially supremacist religion. It is codified in the "holy" tomes of the Talmud and the Torah that the non-Jews are inferior and are a word that rhymes with "soy". You are not very educated and you do not read content outside of your comfort zone. That is the weakness from the political "Left."
I want you to notice Lord Malice (the other comment). He is an anti-z ..nist, too.
I think there's two problems with the way people are explaining z.. inism.
First, no one defines it. There is the real historical movement of the 1800s, and the early immigrants to the region before the official Balfour declaration of 1917.
Then there is the definition as Lord Malice is explaining it. His definition comes from a text disseminated by the S..viet union around 1900-1910.
The second problem is YOUR interpretation of z.. ionsm. The reason why YOURS is antis...metic is because in order to believe what you wrote here, you have to assume that j.. s were interlopers who didn't belong, that they came with wealth and international connections, AND that they wanted nothing more than to te..rorize innocent brown people for no other reason than their own greedy nature. Such a narrative is not only FALSE, it's also as ant.s. mitic as Lord Malice's, although it's more subtle in that it relies on falsifying history and playing in coded tropes to get the same message across.
He thinks he knows everything. He's conservative but can't see it :D
Your mental affliction is an affliction on the Jewish people if you are Jewish, if not it's just programming, supernatural, the land of Israel is a part of Judaism and cannot be separated and to say such nonsense is nonsensical
Do you even know about the context of alleged 'Nakba'? I mean 1948 Arab-Israel war, which started after Arab countries (and _some_arab residents of the region known as 'Palestine') refused the partition plan of creating two states for arabs and jews (thus denying the acquiring statehood for arabs in Palestine, btw), and then - with the force of several armies - attacked Israel with the sole intention of finishing what Hitler started few years earlier. The arab leaders told arab residents of palestine to leave until all jews would be dealt with (so to say, using PC-vocab). And so they did. Since then, most of them have had refugee status and live in Gaza, West Bank and surrounding arab countries. Were some of them excpelled by force by IDF? That's not impossible. Does it make the state of Israel illegitimate (if it's true)? Hardly. Nakba happened after Israel was created and was a consequence of war it didn't started. About alleged 'genocide in Gaza'. I appreciate your concern for human life, but all supposed reasons which drive people to conclusion that it does takes place, are based either on 'Gaza Ministry of Health' reports directly, or based on another sources which use aforementioned reports as one of their main sources (BBC and CNN belong here, as well as some other outlets). The problem with 'Gaza Ministry of Health' reports - this Ministry is Hamas-run. So, when you take information from them as a certainty, you literally take all information about the conflict from one side of the conflict. Their reports doesn't distinguish between combatants and non-combatants (and their numbers doesn't make sense statistically). Is people' dying awful? Yes. But genocide has a specific constituent - intent to exterminate the population. I don't see reasons to conclude that genocide takes place (there is another source of 'genocide'-accusations: quotes from Israeli officials. but these quotes are either misrepresented, mistranslated or belong to ministers, who - fortunately - aren't in position to make military decisions)
oh. you believe in horseshoe theory? D: i think you need to talk to real people who are not made out of straws
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Supporting climate sustainability equals Hitler 😂
No, but employing te**rism tactics to try and intimidate the population into recklessly changing our climate practices does come from a totalitarian impulse.
It disproportionately harms the middle and lower classes.
@@Itsstuff7328 so is the liberal west backing far-right dictators in the third world a great thing? these modern 'progressives' haven't even come close to the plundering/damage the west has done by allying itself with literal fascists.
@@kellylyons1038 Literally the opposite. Environmental damage in air quality, sea levels, pollution, etc will cost the underprivileged before anyone else, while the upper class amasses resources to insulate themselves from the fallout.
@@kellylyons1038 The opposite is true. It disproportionately harms the global South (India, Indochina, Indonesia, Philippines, Africa Central America) where half the population lives. Europe and the developed world already industrialised, which caused the climate crisis in the first place. So Europe and the Western World can enjoy the benefits of industrialisation while also being less affected by climate change.
Geez this comment section is insane. Well-made video, very neutral and good faith arguments. I don't see why people are getting so upset over this
While it is clear you are more a psychologist than privy to any real political theory (as you strawman both the left and right), I do agree with you that the moral disgust and righteous indignation to authoritarian pipeline is a very real thing. The moral panic around the 'rona and the subsequent memory-holing of it all when it was shown to be mostly a bad flu are proof enough.
A moderate/radical dichotomy would be an interesting tangent for further analysis, though I honestly think that the "psychological flexibility" you (perhaps innocuously) verbally treat as a virtue is, in my opinion, a large part of the problem with modern politics. It is far too easy to co-opt towards the status quo; the phrase "psychological pliability" would be more apt. This is of course not a refutation, simply a preference of mine. I just think it takes more psychological flexibility to try to imagine alternatives to the status quo, which you can at least see some hints of in the far left and far right.
You don't seem to be responding to comments, but a word of advice: horseshoe theory is a meme metaphor - many things fit it but you shouldn't ever use it as a model in an argument lol. But I am interested in a synthesis of the two - combining the best of far left praxis and (well not quite far right) right-libertarian principles and melding the two. I think there's a lot of productive ground there if it were hashed out beween adherents low in moral disgust. Unfortunately it seems both extremes are swamped by high disgust ideologues.
4 times as leathal as flu.
@@urbandiscount I said what I said. On the list of lethal diseases, 4x the flu is still nothing. It did maybe a third of the numbers for heart disease. And like the flu, it was inevitable that the lethality rate would go down with time due to evolutionary pressures and herd immunity. What do you think happened to the Spanish flu?
This isn't the own you think it is, especially since statistically I'll presume you're not vegan and therefore are committed to a lifestyle that increases the incidence of zoonotic disease and antibiotic resistant bacteria via factory farming. If you believe the lab leak theory and you're not an anarchist, you're also complicit in a system that encourages the production of biological weapons.
You know nothing.
I wasn't paying much attention but I think the guy's right wing and probably religious and his video is a bit dodgy.
Israelis and Palestinians are both semites how does supporting one of these groups make you antisemitic?
Within living memory Palestinians have had their rights under international law denied and the west supports it even though we created these rights Palestinians have never had a real voice in the west before that’s why people don’t understand where this support is coming from.
Very interesting. I've never seen one of your videos before. I'd love to see more like this. I used to have a circle of friends who were very progressive, which quickly made me extremely progressive as well. I moved away to a place where there is a greater diversity of thinking and slowly became much more moderate. Now I'd say I'm a left leaning centrist. Sometimes, I wonder what this drastic change says about me--maybe I was just too weak willed to think for myself or stand by my convictions. This video gives me a new perspective on that issue. Being open-minded and listening to different ideas with a genuine desire to learn and grow will change your thinking, even if it's just a little.
Agreed. 👍
This title is not just clickbait, this is a serious alegation and has to be backed by even more serious evidence. A lot of what I get from this video is that you only judge by "vibes", thus getting only the "vibes" that you already are biased to notice. You name absolutely no source to any of it, and I hope that you and your viewers understand that this is not how you critically engage with political views.
Also, on a different note, how do you have the guts to record, produce, and publish a video advocating for less emotionality when seeing children being bombed to pieces? (minute 25:00-26:00)
When you say that "there are racists on both sides" (38:55) - what definition of racism do you use here? Because to me, racism is incompatible with both progressive politics and leftist thought, although these two things are very dissimilar.
From what I understood, you equate racism with identity politics somehow, and further argue that since both sides engage in these politics the left surely has racists. Now, I do not argue that the conclusion is impossible, but that your chain of thought is misguided at the very least. The soviet or maoist revolution were not based on racism but on economic inequality. I would argue that as seen in these two instances, your explanation of this being an example of dehumanaziation is dangerously wrong - the premise was that the elites are only human, and should be politically and economically equal to the rest. This is the opposite of what you are implying. I am not advocating for the violence that ensued in any way, though.
Yeah, this video should be titled "Attack of the straw-men from Right-wing space".
The most prominent racists "on the Left" are of the self-proclaimed "Leftist" kind that caters to a Right-leaning audience by being edgy edgelords. From a Leftist's perspective, these edgelords are "enlightened Centrists" at best ...
is it really tho?
@@JackofClover what kind of bot answer is this? Is what really what? What do you actually mean???
@@marks7037 it's funny, the internet can turn even me, into a bot apparently. Well you can thank censorship for that. It really cuts down on your options for interaction.
Funnily enough, point a mirror at your own ideology and whoops do I see a cesspool there?
Pushes horseshoe theory as a valid model to describe the political spectrum. 😂
Cited Peterson as a valid source 😂
Literally personifies the meme where the centrist can't see the difference between the right wanting to oppress groups of people and leftists wanting universal healthcare.
This was incredibly helpful in helping me process what I just watched (the latest Instagram post by Rudy Rochman) because I was really impressed with how the conversation went. That someone who I feel is trapped in a loop of racist thought was able to even attempt to have a coherent conversation was impressive. It gives me hope that at least a seed can be planted. I am wondering how a person like me is able to participate in constructive discourse even though I believe that I suffer from low verbal IQ. Do you have thoughts on that?
3:02 Normal left and right's mess to clean up* I think right knows to exclude lets say kay kay kay from their group. When someone is pro kay kay kay they are probably extreme right. But left has the policy of accepting a lot of things and dislikes exclusion. So when you have someone that is not the classic kay kay kay like white dude. they often have a hard time saying hey this is not cool lets exclude them from the group. This needs to be overcome. idealy the more center or just left or right should regulate the extremists. like this center -> center(side) -> (side) -> extreme (side) in this way they should keep each other in check.
The real Kay Kay Kay was founded by a man named Nathaniel Bedford Forrest, who is a man who was half Jewish on his mother's side, the side that counts because of mitochondrial DNA.
Someone should make a video outlining all the different factions on the left and right. That would be interesting as I’m honestly not sure where I fit
@@brianmeen2158 funny part is it changes so often the 'old' left is now right. so, yea... you could probably make a new video every 10 years and a different video for different country's. but most of the time you can divide left and right into practical and ethical, logical and emotional. they are just 2 sides of the same coin. one of the things that stay relatively consistent though is the various isms though and they are documented quite well. like socialism, comunism, conservatism, authoritarianism, libertism, anarchism, populism etc.. this is partly because at least some if not all have pretty objective base definitions. although some try to change these definitions it did not work that well. but now that i think about it i thing someone make a matrix for it.
I like your energy, only 6 mins in, so I might drop more comments later. What spurred my need to comment was of the definition part at 5:40
What you described to separate yourself from not being progressive but liberal at 5:40 would make you a progressive due to the fact that its focusing on specific groups to change outcomes utilizing government to promote equity, is where progressivism starts and liberalism ends strictly on a definitive level (I believe in the old world progressivism is called social liberalism). If we are equating the scientific racism of the 20's to progressives (which I agree they are/were progressives), then your positions would also ascribe yourself to some iteration of progressivism as oppose to liberalism (obviously not 1920's progressivism). I believe the issue here is grappling with the concept of a true believer and an eval of core values coupled with the prominence of progressives and their dominant custody of modern moral outrage (and those who are now getting caught up in the crosshairs).
Most people are claiming the title 'liberal' now purely because progressivism has had the curtain drop sort to speak, when in reality, we are on like progressive version 2.0, for an ideology that has been dominate for about 100 years in the US. Progressivism's divide occurs as pre 60's and post 60's. Today's progressives are the ideological fruitions of the cultural revolution of the 60's, that has had 6 decades to disseminate through all the institutions / zeitgeist and is the most relevant point of analyzing modern progressives value sets. What I interpret to "I'm not progressive but liberal", is "I'm not that kind of progressive / I don't hold that specific view". I personally think most of the recent events have forced some progressive supporters to confront the logical conclusions of their values and their peers, and the title of liberal works as a mental safeguard while trying to figure that out.
I'm a big stickler when it comes to definitions, so when I see (at least in my eyes) a bending of such, I always try to find out why. My interpretation at the larger phenomena of the recent acclaim of liberalism I have been seeing at any rate.
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Why did the translation add o's?
My guy this video is specifically about you 😂
Wow, well this was refreshing
I am Brazilian, I live in the middle of the Amazon jungle, and feminism is something that really makes me alarmed.
I'm not a traditionalist by any stretch of the imagination. Protecting, respecting and elevating the women in my life is something I have been taught from the crib.
To me, there is no doubt that there is an imperialist technocratic feminist project steaming out of the US.
There is a clear attempt to divide people by creating divisive discourse. I know Brazilian feminism, and that's not it. It has never been. I have my gripes with them too, but I do believe they have good intent and would never trade the men who fight for them everyday for some hollow "international sorority" concept. And it is something that I will *always* bet on.
By one side, is it a psy-op? Probably. For sure it is pushed here by activists funded by god-knows who.
Maybe it is just that the CIA, the US army, the pundits who push for war just are very hyped in pushing this stuff, it is their mission in life.
Maybe you love feminism and thinks "so what?". I want you to think how they got to push anarco-capitalism on Russia in the 90s and the consequences of it.
If ever this comes to fruition, and it will, probably in Iran first. The worst, most destructive form of it will be pushed.
Considering how the USA has established a non-stop intelligence war against Brazil for the last 70 years, and no doubt it's most successful campaign, I'm deeply concerned about my country.
Imagine pure anti-family policies being pushed, imagine the school system that would come out of something like that, or whatever insane idea you have heard coming out of some edge-lord academic being implemented.
Pure Social Engineering just like the eugenicists.
The current leftist ideal is anti-people and pro-social engineering.
Obligatory link to this comedy bit about progressives and racists: czcams.com/video/Ev373c7wSRg/video.html&ab_channel=RyanLong
You should do a video on the occult origins of feminism
Agreed, it’s pretty messed up how traditionalists have tried to perceive women as evil witches while women gained more political and financial power in America throughout the 1900s. There’s a good documentary on witches in film/popular culture on Hulu or prime I believe!
Everyone knows feminism was started by witches
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Not what he was alluding at all. Go educate yourself.
39:28 he gives himself away here . No, you do not hear 'dirty Jew' ever said on a pro Palestine protest. He is just imagining this because it has to exist for his argument to make any sense. In my experience Pro palestine groups never never never say Jew anything. They are very clear their criticism is to Isreal and zionists. Most have mamy Jews in them.
When you lie you really lie, that was some good lying, looking forward to more lies from you in the future, cuz no one ever said anything bad about Jews at a anti Israel protest, no that never happened 🚫🤡
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They view Israelis as "white" and see themselves as opposing western colonialsm. I see that narrative as over simplistic and kid of stupid but it is still pretty far from racism. I am not talking about the ones who say genuinely antisemitic stuff and just use Gaza as an excuse for that. Those do definitely exist on the "left"
Failed to explain why eugenics is bad.
You think eugenics are good? Define eugenics.
@@bunille first, highlight where in my comment I said it’s good.
@@sammya1970 Ok, so you don't know what questions are, and you don't know what definitions are...
@@bunille I won’t tutor you for free dummy, look that shit up yourself.
Eugenics is good because a baby might be disabled and that’s too much work for a potential mother so she should be able to abort it, but also disabled people are valid and deserve equality, depending on the argument.
Well done, Joe. Thanks for putting this out here. I smiled when you quoted Douglas Murray. I've really come to appreciate his way of thinking and speaking, and I give you the same compliment. I love how thoughtful and direct you are. More videos like this please!
"Gayborhood" gay neighborhood 🤣 he's so effortlessly silly! I just love that!
Listening to Douglas Murray is an island of sanity in this modernity
Joe You Traget Some Woman As Sidney Winey or Sth And GO. Crap Races.,
It is so refreshing to see a rational, nuanced take from someone who has clearly deeply thought and looked into this topic. Awesome video thanks for sharing. Of course as a moderate you will get hate from both sides of the extreme, but truly is the voice of the majority, thanks for speaking your truth.
no they're not, shut your mouth
Sounds like the video's about you
@@bunille 😁
This is the most *raarded* yt video I've ever fucking seen, holy shit, this is bad.
Pure feels
Reads like a pretty emotional response to it...
Did a leftist just say the r word? LMAO classic
@@bunille yes, I did
Idpol is the weeds
I'm a Marxist, we don't worry about pitches in the dirt. Class war is where it's at
@MaxKissler it is pure feels, it has no real material connection to anything.
It's another shitlib balls deep in the culture wars
@@bunille besides what to say except wat law below wrote
It's Mockinbird level centrist nonsense. Someone else wrote the book on it read them
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Dang. I hope this video does numbers. Sharing
Yes, this is true. I'm an old school progressive.
Only thing you'll receive here is boos, they dont like being called out on their issues.
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