RWBY - The Problematic Issues
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- čas přidán 7. 07. 2024
- Welp, time to talk about RWBY again. I wonder how this will go down, this time? (Hopefully not another REUPLOAD)
Do note that I am human, this is my opinion, but I'm open to criticism and if you feel like my interpretation of this is wrong, all I ask is that you be respectful in the comments. I'm not perfect, and I'm willing to admit that I may be wrong on things.
Originally, this video was uploaded on the first of Feburary, however, since that would be on the death of Monty Oum, I took down the original, and reuploaded it here. I still stand by what I say in my video, but I never shat on Monty Oum, nor did I throw shade at him - I'm only apologizing for the poor timing on my part and only that part.
I've already apologized for that, and if you're gonna lord that over me, I have two words for you...
GET BENT.
This was an honest mistake on my end, and I will not respect anyone who tries to lord a simple mistake on my end over my head.
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As an amateur author, RWBY's writing feels like a first draft.
In fact, I'm at least 80% sure that these scripts don't go through any once over process after fixing grammatical errors. It makes me a bit sad, to be honest. RWBY has so much potential to be good, if only there were more than two 'fresh off the presses' writers.
Maybe there's not enough time, maybe they're just lazy, I'm not sure. All I know is, Miles and Kerry could really use a Beta.
I'd say that one of the reasons it's like this is because Rooster Teeth pushes for a new volume every year. Normally a show would be aired when it's ready, but RWBY has new volumes released every year which means that the story needs to be completed before some time around November, and the voice acting and animation need to be done way before an episode airs. At the start RWBY was just a passion project which meant that people like Monty were just working on it on their own time. Now that it's a full production though, it's being pushed by fans and Rooster Teeth to be made in a short amount of time.
Hyper_Ninja I agree. I am also not saying this should happen or wish this to happen, but say if Rooster Teeth does have struggles and things like that, I could see them pulling a Disney and give the rights over to someone else. Considering how RWBY has gained massive popularity with Japanese audiences, I could totally see them buying the rights and make it into a more traditional anime.
I think that anyone who is aspiring to be a writer should watch RWBY to know what NOT to do.
'A beta'?
Hyper_Ninja Yup. It’s exactly that. Celtic Phoenix rewrite does a good job of polishing these elements. Good writing is shaped through redrafting and editing. For ideas are like legos. How they connect together and why should they are what separate a good from a great writer.
Rwby in summary: good idea but poor execution
Post v3 atleast
Monty barrel rolls in his grave.
@@kawaiiempoleon8721 Volume 1-3 couldve been better though. Those were the times I genuinely enjoyed and looked forward to RWBY but I know they couldve been better. Especially Volume 2 finale.
@@UnifiedEntity yes ik that
Yea, RWBY would have gone down a different path is Monty was still alive
Abridged version of this video: The show could’ve been so much better.
@@returnedtomonkey8886 You mean all 7 seasons?
@@returnedtomonkey8886 I'd personally forgive Volume 1&2 but that's it.
Thank you i Can spare time
Story of RWBY's conception.
@@returnedtomonkey8886 And Mounty ran the show and was still alive.
Robyn has failed to realise you're supposed to become a congressman and _then_ a felon, not the other way around.
This is fucking comedy gold, how does this not have more likes.
I geuss that explains why Roybn switched to wolfwalkers instead because that way she could actully follow the rules
@CruelessChris that's GOLD. lmfao
Hey-o!
Not to mention they were originally designed by Monty to be easy to cosplay.
to be fair, more casual fans can still cosplay with the early seasons outfits while the hardcore fans can go the extra lengths to copy the new designs.
@@michaelkomsky1313 Doesn't really help the matter. That is why some people have problems with the new designs. The old designs looked easy enough to mimic with real life clothing. Meanwhile the recent volumes they have enough belts on their character models that they look like they are trying to suck off Nomura's character design.
@@jacobfoxfires9647 Not to mention the overabundance of belts style are quite dated to Nomura's standards these days. Now its all hoodies.
Monty who?
@@somedudewhodraws9377 Monty Oum who created the show. He died awhile ago.
RWBY: Wishes to Protecc Atlas and Mantle
Also RWBY: Abandons then completely.
Better add Ironwood in it
Fulcrum 4.0 yeah, him too
I really don't get why people immediately assumed that RWBY intends to completely abandon Atlas and Mantle. Literally all they did was get on a ship to get away from the military on the City of Atlas. As far as I saw, nothing depicted them as planning to leave the whole-ass kingdom.
RandomGirl119 I think the point here is that Team RWBY achieved absolutely nothing by opposing Ironwood and didn’t even achieve the goal they set when they turned against him, which was save Mantle, which will likely be destroyed because SPOILERS
Salem is sporting some new clothes and is riding on a GRIMM WHALE (which for convenience can simply be called Bahamut or Monstro.) who will likely decimate Mantle before Team RWBY could even react if Salem actually does some work for once.
@@ryancarson6962 True, though I have seen some people claim that Team RWBY was literally leaving, when we didn't really get any actual indication that they were doing such. It hits a point where some people look like they're now shitting on Team RWBY just to shit on them. I get that they were hypocrites and made some stupid decisions this volume, but still.
And yeah, I really don't think Team RWBY will be able to save everyone from Salem. If anything,
SPOILERS
I think the saving grace next volume will be a plan or some advice from Ozpin, considering the very last thing we heard from Oscar in the finale was him demanding that Ozpin tell him how to save Atlas.
Not to mention the sheep faunus looked at Tyrian's direction right before he slashed her, implying that she did see him
Forgetting Faunus are generally supposed to have perfect night vision goes right back to Season 2 Episode 4 where Blake and Sun shut off the lights in a roomful of White Fang recruits and this somehow works.
@@CruelestChris They really shot themselves in the foot when they said faunuses have night vision.
@@KelShu Nah, like Kamen said, they did when they said MANY of them have without specifying what determines which ones have it and which ones don't.
@@PMbarbieri And it should be assumed that animals that are good at seeing in night are the ones they are referring to. Sheep has field vision of around 300 degrees (it can see behind its head), but it has poor depth perception. Sheep compensates its poor eyesight with excellent sense of hearing. ... Sheep has good memory and ability to recognize face of 50 different individuals (both of other sheep and humans).
@@zackrose6261 For the 360° vision, we can be sure it would be impossible, since faunus have the same eye placement as normal humans, so they only have frontal vision, but sheep faunus could still have poor eyesight, hence why they have sheep ears as well.
The thing is, when you make a human with animal qualities, these qualities should have some logic to them, while those traits that would otherwise be detrimental to them should stay human: for example, a scorpion faunus shouldn't have the actual scorpion's poor eyesight, unless they had other traits real scorpions use to compensate for it.
I swear, this show is slowly turning into a headache with characters turning brain dead for the sake of "Plot"
They had to find the user of that Semblance and TERMINATE IT!!
Xavier Busby it’s so sad because this show had so much potential when it first started firm volumes 1-3 but it’s been a track wreck since volume 4 and onwards
Nope it’s not just you I’ve got the flame war to prove how frustrated people are with the “hero’s” being hypocritical jackasses and dumbass decision making
@@beta511ee4 so qrow fighting with a murderer not enough to make you believe that
Salem’s team should NOT have gotten as far as they have. Like, the writers can’t be seriously telling me that less than a handful of people, who have exposed their identities to the Main characters in multiple times and have never truly won a fight, could permanently create an atmosphere of tension in the entire world? Even going as far back as V2-3 Cinder was CLEARLY evil and was obviously the one who put the fall maiden out of commission since she wasn’t wearing anything that could obscure her face, but was let into beacon easily. How does Beacon even do its Background checks on students???
Edit: I wanted to say a few more things: the silly plot contrivances in the series prevent Salem and her gang from feeling like real threats. The mcs have mashed potatoes for brains. I’m honestly surprised that oz or members of his group haven’t started trying to pinpoint the locations or activities of the VERY FEW warriors of Salem while simultaneously doing whatever plot bullshit they need to do. The number of people working for oz or one of the kingdoms far outnumber salem. This is inexcusable.
I think the problem with RWBY, if summed up in a single sentence, is this:
During Volumes 1-3, the story was made for the characters; after Volume 3, the characters were made for the story.
Skeeter Mania Ships and Pandering makes it bad
@@beta511ee4 because that's terrible
@@beta511ee4 I believe that a good story can only exist with good characters to invest ourselves into. Take the reveal in Star Wars V that Vader is Luke's father. Why do we care about this revelation? Because we care about Luke and his journey. If we didn't care about Luke, this reveal would not be very memorable. Therefore you should develop personalized characters for the audience to get attached to so they care about the story you are writing, rather than having your characters make actions solely for the purpose of your plot.
@@beta511ee4 "That's not true! That's impossible!" In all seriousness, I do disagree with you on that point, but I respect your opinion
@@beta511ee4 Are you for real? Have you ever considered WHY it became a meme and a cultural phenomenon?
Some of the major problems with RWBY:
1. Messing up characters and their development.
2. Having stupid storyline plotholes.
3. Making the villains seem pathetic. They get built up but there has not been any payoff from them after the Fall of Beacon.
4. RoosterTeeth pandering to the shippers.
about no.4
Is it really bad to pander to your fans and audience as long as it doesn't hurt the initial narrative or breaks continuity?
I mean the scene with Ruby and Oscar Kamen pointed out is obviously problematic and as he said could have been handled better.
But (as the example he showed) it still could have kept the shipping element without ruining the concept of the scene.
Graveness rating
1. B
2. C
3. A
4. S+
@@michaelkomsky1313 It would be if those you pander to didn't give a fuck about the story, world, and even characters themselves. All they care about are the ships and the 2 characters being put together.
And this was coming from someone that liked Yang's character at first and with their attempts to shipbait Bumblebee her character along with Blake's became worse. Offensive even.
@@michaelkomsky1313 yes it is bad
That's how toxic fanbases are formed
When the writers cater to a certain demographic, they alienate the audience outside of that demographic and the work ends up becoming a mess ment to appeal to the most niche audience.
Jacob FoxFires964 I feel ya. Yang was one of my favorites initially but nowadays she’s probably my least favorite of the main four.
Those clips of the characters back in the early seasons really show each character’s personalities, flaws, goals, etc. Its so weird now for me to think these characters are nothing but bland and boring when its clear they used to be...real characters
You act as if them being in battle instead of chatting around in the schoolyard somehow makes them not characters anymore.
@@michaelflores9220 the dialogue (when it actually exists) is soulless and doesn't help the characters at all as a matter of fact they had more EMOTIONS in the fight of v1-v3 than ANYTHING after v3
RWBY is basically the kind of show that desperately needs a reboot done by people who give a shit about telling a decent story.
Painfully accurate
im hoping that’s gonna happen with the RWBY anime that’s coming out
Or maybe into some sort of fan film
@@just_eve745 I'm hoping the anime keeps Team WTCH in some capacity and makes Torchwick more prominent.
From what I'm hearing though, the only real villain of the anime right now is a nightmare Grimm.
and maybe we can get the BlackSun to be canon T-T
If Miles really cared about making RWBY better, he'd listen to the not so nice comments (I'm sure there are comments that are just genuinely being mean, which no one deseves), because many have a point . He needs to get over his ego.
@Edge Lord McCringe MK-3000 If they're here for anime waifu fights I think recommending witcher 3 might not be the best for them, maybe get them to play some Blazblue or something.
@@thechugg4372 code vein they can make their own waifus xD
Just as Monty listened to them
Reading this comment and going on to rooster teeth's twitter and see this: twitter.com/OfficialRWBY/status/1261764610652332047 makes my (somewhat) empathy feel like monty's death mentally (as in emotionally) messed him up. Maybe he's acting on what he thinks is best but it's showing in rwby. Overall I still think rwby is a good show but the way he looked in that video and many others.. Something just doesn't feel right with him.
@Edge Lord McCringe MK-3000- but it’s not dead so your wrong.
22:29 “It's a cartoon.” Worst and dumbest argument ever.
Winter was done dirty this volume.
everybody other than team rwby has done dirtied
Rizky Iman
Especially the ace ops, plot induced stupidity doesn’t even begin to describe how BS team rwby beating them was.
@@platuimknight8769 ikr
She been done dirty and not the enjoyable kind.
platuim knight oh oh! But it’s perfectly fine because they “trained” for like two minutes
As someone who was a borderline RWBY stan I can say the show was never really "good" but it was still fun to watch and I thought Volume 3 was going to take the story even higher. Unfortunately that did not happen and I'd say the show pretty much died after Volume 3.
Not since the extremist fans started writing the show instead of the actual writers
It wasn't great in a plot sense, but that's not why people liked it. Arguably it was never even advertised that way.
The Red, White, Black, and Yellow trailers were basically just combat, and the fighting is what got me into the show.
Then after season 3 they said they wanted to make it more "cinematic" and by that they apparently meant nerfing everyone weaker than a maiden. Everyone looks so damn slow.
Season 3 Qrow would've absolutely destroyed Tyrian the first time they fought, just because he's so much faster. But Season 4+ expects me to believe Qrow is the same person as in S3.
I've never seen the show and only read fanfictions of it. It has a lot of good ones. So,much better then the show itself.
@@htsunmiku I really didn't want to say the show died with Monty because I know how people feel about his death being brought up but that's EXACTLY what happened.
@@xdragoonzero0 Hell, I'd argue those trailers even false-advertised the show. They advertised "basically just combat", so people going in would expect that. Instead we basically got a high school fantasy slice of life show...And a mediocre one at that.
My favorite part about the party scene is that penny literally glows in the dark... meaning that anyone from any part of the room would see that people were being killed while penny’s glow in the dark swords sit motionlessly behind her... clearly the people of remnant need to get checked out for they may have caught a case of terminal stupid.
I absolutely agree with the Robyn portions. At first I thought she was going to be a decent character but her decisions are hasty and questionable, yet the RWBY crew just believes her. I do like how they portray Ironwood (most of the time) but his thinking is more close to his character yet it seems like their demonizing him in this season. I could be wrong but that’s how it comes off to me.
Also I still wonder, when turning Tyrian in, why didn’t Qrow cut off his tail or any of them disable it? It’s his main weapon, take it out!
Also like Robyn’s semblance, Marrow’s just likes to appear when he could’ve used it to halt everyone so Penny could get Tyrian.
Something that would make more sense than what they did, but that’s RWBY for you.
Also, didn't his tail get cut off during the first fight with him? Does it regenerate?
@@Mangakamen Oh, so it's even easier to deal with that then, since they can just detach the weaponized bits without any need for special scorpion cuffs or ethical meat cleaver quandaries.
MangaKamen Well yes that did technically disable it, but they did so in a very sloppy manner since not two minutes after they start fighting he escapes his bindings and is able to use his stinger to kill the pilot. If they wanted to effectively disable him they should’ve removed the stinger so he couldn’t use it, even if he did escape his bindings.
@@deathpyre42 eh, I'd say that's both true but it's also kinda off. If tyrian had his original tail and they decided to cut it off because it was dangerous, that would count as mutilation and seeing how advanced bionics are in remnant It would make some sense that they feel similar in regards to a robotic appendage. That doesn't mean they shouldn't have done it or that he didn't deserve it, but coming from the viewpoint that it would be seen as amputation, then from their standpoint it would've been a similar decision to cutting off his arms and legs so he can't fight anymore. To OUR senses that seems inhumane and excessive regardless of the atrocities he's committed but it's also objectively the correct answer to disable him any any perpetrator in a permanent manner. To THEIR senses given the age and technological background they live in plus the fact that faunus limbs still count as limbs, and to people not racists probably as well regarded as arms and tongues and eyes, it makes sense not to cut off his tail unless absolutely necessary.
Wow when you think about the cultural impact of non-humans and magic....shit gets weird.
@@goldenbrigain7031 I mean, it seems that a lot of the modern designs in remnant sort of pop off easily (Yang's arm for example). And also, you've got an enemy with command over technology as a superpower, so it makes sense to deprive a homicidal flight risk of a weapon if doing so can be done with minimal trauma.
Kamen: Makes a justified critical video about RWBY
FNDM: So, you have chosen death.
Does FNDM stand for fandom ?
@@xemnasxiii3992 That's what they call themselves, yes.
Saruman quotes never get old
@@xemnasxiii3992 yes. Team names in RWBY are made up of four initials of the four members, and they see themselves as one giant team to attack anyone who dislikes RWBY's current direction.
@@jackbennett6902 That i already knew but it just seems farfetched to do this
That poor chair T_T can we get an F in the chat
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That's RWBY'S biggest issue honestly. They obviously have great ideas for the endpoints they want to reach (this really pops up in the ends of volumes 5-7), and great themes they want to explore, they just don't have any idea how to reasonably get there. I can relate a bit as an author because you learn there there's a certain way you WANT things to move. That, you essentially are also a problem to your story in some ways. Even if you know where you want to end you very quickly realize there's problem with how you personally interpret and wish to have everything operate that contradicts the goals you set for yourself. Fighting this is not easy but it must be done, and it's a hell of a lot easier with friends.
Point-Blank they know what they want, they just have no idea how to get there reasonably.
If you don't know how to get there. It probably wasn't that great of an idea.
@Doglover extrem which can go hand in hand with it being g a bad idea. My point is that the great idea phrase gets thrown around more then it should.
The Grimm are a joke and have been a joke for a while, but as a result of this is that there is a scene where Blake takes out a Grimm with just one shot from her handgun, and it just makes everyone in melee range look like total morons since most of them have weapons stronger than handguns.
Same, when i looked at the grimms' designs i thought they looked cool, but when i actually watched rwby now i think theyre just pathetic
We had like 2 grimm ever feel like a threat and 1 of them literally had to cheat the system by having magic powers of making people not want to fight and the other to our knowledge literally never fought a huntsmen before and could even like wound the kids really goes to show how much of a joke they are when the strongest grimm we know of refuse to interact with humans cause they grew a brain and learned they'd die
Beowolves are the mooks of Grimm really, it's only when there's alot of them that it becomes a problem. Also there is some Grimm weaker then Beowolves, which are laughable, until high as fuck numbers of them.
Didn't she hit the thing at point blank in the head?
Grimm are the Stormtroopers of RWBY
How to tell that its not Penny
1. those two glowing green eyes in the corner of the room, idk anyone else with glowing eyes like that. also the "put down your weapon and surrender" might also have been a clue that MAYBE there was another person.
2. PENNY DOESNT HAVE VENOM >:( (seriously he stabs like two people with his tail.)
No one really thinks straight when they’re acting out of anger and grief.
@@TheHawkeye0725
What about after? Or when police being to investigate the scene?
@@TheHawkeye0725 that shouldnt stop an investigation.
jthedog the damage had already been done. Running away plus the forged footage only made her look more guilty.
@@TheHawkeye0725 did they photoshop a scorpion tail on her?
7 volumes in and we STILL have no idea what Cinder's motivations for working for Salem are...especially as the antagonist that's the most active
At this point, I don't care. Any backstory or explanation is not gonna be enough. It's just gonna turn out like Jiren's backstory, generic and unsatisfying.
From what I can assume it's... ready for it?
Power. All she wants is power. Yup. That's it. That's literally all it is. She wants power.
@@AzuraRaijin That simultaneously expected and disappointing. And it still would spawn the same question, why? What happened to her to want power. But I don't expect the writers of RWBY to give us a good enough explanation, or any at all.
@@SparkShadow212 Oh I agree. No way will they tell us. That or it'll take until before she finally dies. All we can do is assume and guess. Speaking of which, if I had to take a wild guess, if theyre going with the whole Cinderella theme, she was probably some orphan who was mistreated by her parents and sisters or something and so she wanted power so no one could hurt her again or something most likely.
@@AzuraRaijin Honestly, I'd take that explanation for Cinder at this point. Makes a better backstory than Adam's.
Wait, they brought on Cristina Vee? Sigh, sounds like the budget for the show went to V.A.'s again vs. making the show better. Wanted to point that out since that seems to be an ongoing problem with RT.
At least it wasn't *big* celebrities like in genlock.
@@romeb.1060 what happened to that show? It's like it's gone.
@@Dave102693
Still getting another season.
@@romeb.1060 Yeah airing on HBO's live service now instead of being shown first in RT's website.
Then there's option 3:
Don't have a dog in the race and just want to have a giggle
WHAT DO YOU KNOW?
THE ANSWER WAS OPTION 3!
LIFE IS A BITCH
Tbh most of the ..."fans" only care about ships.
This is what happens when the show panders only to the shippers. You lose the direction of the story because you're too busy writing plot points that could draw ships closer.
@Strider Xanthos Yes you can do that in any show but look at the fandom. Look at it's social media. From twitter to reddit to facebook the shipping posts out number other posts 1 to 5. Have you seen the reddit? It's filled with bumblebee and whiterose. Someone makes a lore post it gets buried. I'm not saying all fans are like this hence the quotations. Hell I'm a fan. I'm more invested in the world itself than the characters. Like how the people of remnant deal with grimm and bandits without huntsmen. How huntsmen work. How they get paid. How people can move place to place. The characters in the show are disappointing. At this point the some non shippers left would be people who find the world and lore of remnant cool.
Edit: Oh yeah, some the shippers in twitter lost their mind when it was revealed Qrow and Clover aren't actually gay.
@@Reige17 They didn't actually write plot that panders to ships until vol 6-7. In fact the bumblebee thing was quite sudden. It had no progress throughout the earlier volumes. Sun and Blake had more romantic interaction than Yang and Blake.
At this point yeah. You think with the set up of the show there would be more appeal to action, but no. All that remains are the equivalent of teenage girls who are the biggest drama whores of the school. They would probably prefer a Korean drama more then this show at this rate.
what you say fans, i'd called retards
Rwby fell off hard for me when mounty oum died, it felt like yhe show was missing something after his death. Honestly alot of rooster teeth stuff felt off since then.
@@Fiiwse5676 They should have ended RvB with season 14. The anthology was funny as hell, and the episodes about Locus and Felix were badass.
It's flare. Monty brought flare to this show and only once every season is an ok or good fight happening, but not on Monty's level of flare which is what made this whole thing even happen.
Ngl when he died, the show still was fun specifically volume 3 but they said fuck it and went into an epic, one that is very poorly handled and lost more soul as it went on.
It would have been cool to see character development such as ptsd that doesn’t fucking end up sparsely showing up. And even if that failed, it could have worked if the fighting was actually good and not weirdly connected.
We really need Monty back to save his creations
Monty was keeping it together. With his death the bullshit came out from the woodworks. Turns out the people running the show are incompetent idiots and only Monty was making it run right.
@@theholysalt18
Because during 3 these people still had some sense into them.
I just thought of something that could have been interesting to explore. Since humans and Faunus can only produce only Faunus children, and the children will always be the same type of Faunus as their Faunus parent, you would think that some medieval kingdom might give Faunus who would breed with humans to produce specific types of Faunus for military purposes, because there is no doubt that Faunus who can change skin color at will or can fly would be extremely beneficial in a war.
Maybe even a family of noble Faunus who continued the idea of marrying only humans and others of their own race to produce more children of that specific type of Faunus, since they had been doing so for many generations and had grown wealthy by being a sort of warrior/mercenary business.
The series can even explore racism not just by humans on Faunus but certain types of Faunus on other types of Faunus? Have a bit of grey area in that mix. Humans are bigoted towards people with different skin color all around the world, so it's not such a stretch to think that in certain parts of RWBY's world, some Faunus might see other Faunus as lesser creatures, or even as animals.
Don’t get to ahead of yourself, these are the Rwby writers, they can’t make their plot complex and interesting. (Seriously though, very good ideas)
Kind of sounds a bit like the idea within bnha that some mutation quirks, with spinner as an example, are more likely to be seen as villainous whilst other more aesthetic and human like mutations - hawks or miruko - are heroic. Guess big thinking like that just ain't possible for good old miles and kerry
silly person on the internet.
everyone knows that people who are victims of racism could never be racist towards other people.
no, that is definitely not realistic at all.
sarcasm aside, it's a good idea but a lot of people would hate whoever came up with it.
@@christopherbravo1813 You're probably right. Even in their own fairy tale episode about the origins of the Faunus, which admittedly should be taken with a grain of salt, humans pretty much are the bad guys for being too narrow minded and shallow, while the Faunus are essentially just better humans in both physical abilities and acceptance.
@@blaster23456 my point was that it isn't realistic for the Faunus to be all victims and for the humans to be mostly generic white stereotypes, but people get all mad when you deviate from the established formula.
The thing that I hate the most about the whole framing Penny thing is that it could of made so much more sense. Watts is a scientist from Atlas who can hack things. The Grimm attack later in the volume is caused by his hacking of the heat system of Mantle, turning it off. Penny is a robot. Robots can be hacked. So why didn’t they just have Watts hack into Penny’s system and made her kill all those people. She wouldn’t be able to pass Robyn’s lie detector test because she actually killed them, the fanus in the crowd could see her killing people and blood would be on her. It could lead to interesting character development for Penny and all around would just be a better plot point.
That does sound interesting but the whole point of Watts framing Penny was to paint Ironwood in a bad light in the eyes of Mantle just like Cinder did in the Battle of Beacon. (Plus, Cinder framed Penny up as an infiltration android sent by Atlas to spy on the kingdom of Vale after exposing her as a robot to the public) Penny may be the Protector of Mantle but not everyone in Mantle fully trusts her as she is one of Ironwood subordinates. As after Tyrian massacred those people at the rally, they didn't hesitate to point fingers at her. That's because Ironwood's inability to balance the progress of the Amity Project with mending the problems in Mantle alienated Robyn and the Mantle citizens who feel neglected and vulnerable. In a way, Penny's role is an attempt to save face. Thus, even if her innocence is proven, it won't change their opinions about Ironwood's actions. Especially with how he's supposed to explain how everything got sabotaged because of his negligence. Plus, Watts and Tyrian's mission is to cause chaos, confusion and distrust in both cities as a diversion to buy Salem time for her get there and to do that they'll make it look like as if it's the Fall of Beacon all over again. Also Robyn did admit to Qrow that her Semblance alienates her from people including Ironwood.
One Piece has the oppression down way before RWBY talked about it
Those poor fishemen...
@@galaxyvulture6649 Yeah and it's not sugar coated at all
@@beta511ee4 He talking about the horrible treatment of people like Fishman and merfolks. They are sold as slaves, discriminated against, and this one fishmen died because a human refused to give him a blood transfusion and the show did a great job of showing how significant this was when Liffy needed one. When someone asked Hody Jones why he hated humans so much his answer wasn't because they took his rights. Because in fact they didn't take his rights. Hody Jones was free from birth till present day. Hody Jones in fact said that the humans had done nothing to him.
There is a reason the fishmen are the villains of the arc. Oda was trying to portray a message. A message that prejudice begets prejudice. It was a message that problems of racism and prejudice aren't fixed by just turning the tables and hating them back.
Ultimately it comes down to the idea of the circle of hatred. That each time a member of one group mistreated the other the whole situation would just escalate. Making the situation worse for everyone. There's more examples, but I can't remember 1000 of those chapters lol.
@@beta511ee4 But u did ask what he was talking about. So I told you what we were talking about. If u want a tdlr of the the story then basically fishmen actually are oppressed unlike faunus like spadinner says.
@@beta511ee4 what the frick does that even mean? This video is 3 minutes and is great for context czcams.com/video/JurPZNOBckQ/video.html .
If u read my previous comment it literally has it. Fuck it I'll add more for one piece fishmen. On this island Sabaody Archipelago merfolk and fishmen are auctioned off as slaves (they are the highest quality slaves) and were not welcomed on this island because they were discriminated against and viewed as inferior (they literally live in the ocean dud to this. A fishmen trying to save his friend even gets shot and laughed at while bleeding out. After a time skip there is a even a group of fishmen that hate humans even though they had a good life spreading the cycle of hatred. See the video above for context.
Another issue that I found which I wanted to bring to your attention is that they let Tyrian, a known serial killer, KEEP HIS ROBOTIC SCORPION TAIL! They actually let him keep it despite knowing that he uses it to poison and kill people! WHY?! It’s honestly clear to me that they’re making the characters let him keep it because it of plot convenience because there’s no way in hell that Qrow wouldn’t cut the new tail off to avoid any trouble.
Welcome to post Monty RWBY people have brains only when it's convenient to the plot
@@bashamd96 Well to be fair, monty never really had "epic scale" stories planned no matter what BS roosterteeth try to tell me. That he left "20 volumes of content behind"
It was at most gonna be a "Hey guys look at this anime thing i'm doing. That's kinda cool."
I guess the best way to say it is Monty wanted the series to be MHA
RT want the series to be GOT without you know killing anyone that matters
@@smugscylla4481
Yeah.
People like to act like Monty was responding for everything in RWBY when Miles and Kerry were the main story writers from the start and Monty was more of an animator than anything.
There are reportedly times when the other two had to rein in Monty so that his epic fight scenes wouldn't totally destroy the sense of power scaling in the show, which is a whole other topic I am not getting into right now.
Point is, RWBY was never solely Monty Oum's creation and people need to stop bringing him and his work into the argument.
@@williamharmon4039 Well we really don't know how the series would be going if he was still alive. Obviously Monty,Miles, and Kerry were a team and you needed all 3 to keep the other two in line in any combination. "No that fight is going to ruin power scaling." "I don't like how that story arc is going" and so on
Now RWBY is being completely driven by the two story guys with no one reeling them in just like how they had to do for monty.
@@smugscylla4481
I guess so.
I'm just tired of people trying to bring Monty into the argument and try to use the memory of a dead man to support their own argument.
Nothing is getting achieved in RWBY. Character development has been tossed around like nothing, their goals are not being achieved and the story is going so many directions that it feels like we are going on a wiled goose chase.
How many characters get their goals achieved in the midway point of the story?
@Nicholas Marashio Be grateful it's not game of thrones.
@Nicholas Marashio What is your chief criticism of RWBY?
@@beta511ee4 Nah, there is a comment section and I am going to use it. You can disagree if you want but I wont shut it.
@@cosmictoon3975 Hey bro, don't mind these people, they are nothing but trolls. CZcams is free for anyone to comment and show their opinions.
17:29: "They broke apart what's so appealing of [Blake] from her first look. *Shows BBTAG Character render*
Me: Her Bellabooty.
"The gothic design,---"
Me: Oh yeah and that.
I've read RWBY (not smut) Fanfiction that had me far more emotionally invested than the actual show.
I'm dead serious, some of that stuff is actually quite impressive (you have to sort through a lot of junk though to find the good ones)
Shut up
@@jameslazaridis4180 Why?
Fantom Phoenix because I said so don’t care
@@jameslazaridis4180 What does that even mean?
Fantom Phoenix just don’t care And I might watch rwby vol 8
If you ask me, this whole volume could have happened offscreen and nearly nothing of value would have been lost.
What ever happened to "Show not tell"?
What? I can't agree at all
Bro that lie detection semblance alone proves that either the rwby writers have no idea what they're doing, or they have no pre-plans about where to take the series as they clearly just made that up on the spot AFTER they'd already written the previous episode. The level of incompetence on display volumes 4-7 is honestly impressive
Ironwood also: congratulated Ruby on her attempt to stop Cinder in Volume 2, approached Yang after she “broke” Mercury’s leg and empathized with her position of seeing things that aren’t there due to intense situations, told the kids at Beacon “No one would fault you if you leave.” and defended Weiss at a party when the people there were being assholes.
Also if the Grimm are attracted to negative emotions (fear, hate, things like that) then you would think racism and slavery wouldn’t exist in this world and yet they do. Menagerie should realistically look like Old Yharnam from Bloodborne.
Also they have some “They’re just kids” message when the world is constantly under the threat of monsters that do nothing but cause destruction and mayhem, you would think it would be something like the Walking Dead where no not everyone is a fighter but all notions of kids being left out of stuff because they’re “just kids” would be out the window.
Not to mention that he gave Yang a new arm with no ulterior motive.
@@Vigriff yep.
ONLY?!
Yup, RWBY just has shit writing. (Well it actually has a lot of problems but the writing is one of the major ones).
@@beta511ee4 Writing doesn't just need reading comprehension for a TV show it's just your ability to understand what's going on and figure out if the writing makes any sense
@@beta511ee4 If you just say positive stuff in the face of the negativity so long as you aren't trying to ignore the negatives exist or those positives don't contradict the negatives nobody really has a problem with it
@@beta511ee4 Contradicting the negatives is effectively just your praise is actively going against noticable flaws in the writing a example in itself is CinemaWins and his blatant love to ignore the negatives which leads him to praise active negatives in writing or even praise logic that is deeply flawed that's meant to be sound in universe but simply isn't CinemaSins does this as well in the inverse ignoring the positives to shit on something even when the criticism falls apart due to said positives existing which is just as bad
@@beta511ee4 It's not a problem if you have a argument against why it's bad or something that people didn't point out that can be praised in the negative but simply put CinemaWins doesn't he ignores the idea the negative even exists and instead just says it's good writing ignoring the negatives to call it a positive is actively disingenuous and painting the work as something it's not
@@beta511ee4 There are way more videos than this that show how bad the writing is. May I recommend Vexed viewer he dives into a lot of RWBY plot holes in a very entertaining and thoughtful way.
Doesnt penny glow in the dark? Her swords are like floating glow sticks. Wouldnt you be able to tell if she killed someone especially if ahe was infront of you?
The rwby fanbase is legit as bad as the sonic fanbase when it comes to handling criticism of the show, dare call sonic forces for what is, a lazy, rushed and half baked mediocre disappointment? Crucified. Dare point out the flaws in rwby’s story telling, characterization and sheer abundance of plot induced stupidity? Crucified.
Shut the fuck up
@@tremassicotte3172 you practically proved the OP's point there bud
Well as a Sonic fan, I would defend the fanbase, but you're right, I mean I also get crucified when I tell the true about Sonic Adventure 1 & 2, mediocre and edgy games that nowdays are incredibly out-dated by their 90's style. The only thing that I think it's different from the RWBY fandom it's that the Sonic fandom tends to fight with itself (Classic vs Modern vs Adventure) while RWBY fights with everyone, hell one friend of mine allways tries to force me to watch Rwby even when I already told him that I didn't like it since V3.
not true at all a lot of fans criticizes the show infact most of them do
Wait I thought everyone hated Sonic Forces. Where was I?
I agree that Robyn is a terrible character. Not only is she poorly written, but she is also one of the main reasons for most of the fighting in V7 if you think about it. There is not a single fight other than with grimm and perhaps the Watts/Ironwood fight where she didnt either start the fight or help cause it. This wouldnt necessarily be a bad thing if written well however something very important that weighs this down even more is that shes god awful at fighting and would have lost every battle shes fought if not for Clover AND Qrow. It honestly feels like she only exists as a character to fill in 2 key roles.
1. Shes someone running opposed to Jacques and is supposed to starkly contrast him, which sets up the whole election narrative. (Which honestly could have just been Ironwood running for re-election vs Jacques)
2. Shes there to both get people to trust each other (hence her semblance being a convenient lie detector/plot device) and to sow dissent via starting fights, being against Ironwood initially, and being one of the reasons why Ironwood and co. lose trust in team RWBY and co.
Upon noting these things I would rather not even call her a character really as she is so important to the story but so underdeveloped and useless outside the two reasons mentioned that she might as well be considered a walking, talking, plot device.
On another note, while there are a few things I disagree with in your video they arent really major enough to warrant criticism.
How tf did she and Leo become hunters and huntresses like they can barely fight
@@Vermillion37 I can see Leo kinda. His weapon at least seems like it could be useful and its mostly his cowardice that made him shit.
True
Robyn should've been a villain!
Also, her semblance could solve so many problems.
RWBY died with Monty.
its unfortunate but true
Sad but true
For me it died with Watts, he was the best part of 4-8
Partly because with what's happening with Roosterteeth right now, there's no way in Hell they're making any new volumes.
RWBY fandom and Rooster Teeth is toxic. Doesn't really surprise me.
Considering the shit show that's been happening at Rooster teeth since last year... Yeah they're not toxic; they're the toxic waste dump now
Geмιиι кαиσи they are so bad it’s not even funny
I hate how I have to keep saying this to people, but their is a difference between a fandom having toxic people in it, and a fandom being toxic.
The majority of people I know who watch RWBY, also complain about the issues the show has, but still love it anyways, and typically keep to ourselves, expressing our love of the show in different ways like any random would.
Yet the majorty of people only want to focus on the minority of genuinely toxic people in the fandom just because their the most vocal. They are not the RWBY fandom. If anything, actual RWBY fans hate them more than people who just echo that the fandom as a whole is toxic.
@@lincolnbeckett8791 I honestly don't believe that.
There seems to be 2... make that 3 kind of RWBY fans: one you mentioned is those who see the flaws but love it too much to just let go, then there are those who are overzealous and give nothing but love and praise, last one are the disgruntled veterans who are just tired of all this and hate where it's all going.
I can't say which group is in the majority, but... seeing how things are going, those zealots are winning, they have been for sometime.
Something that I think the show in general, or at the very least Team RWBY needs is to have someone who's a Peacekeeper. And more specifically have 'likes being a Peacekeeper' as their first and main character trait. Even if they're just constantly shouting 'Priorities', it would save a lot of trouble.
On the case of Yang and Blake telling Robyn about the comms tower, it would be expected from this character because Robyn and Ironwood are practically at each other's throats. This character going to Robyn in secret, preferably alone, and saying 'There are literally bigger things going on than this election', would be something to expect. Then they could single-handly take the blame for that action when Ironwood calls the team/them out on it. Whether or not Ironwood continues to decide on arresting the team/them alone, they can at the very least try to pacify the Aces because 'there are literally bigger things going that need to be prioritised over arresting the people who have so far been helping'.
--Sidenote: Ironwood is justified considering there's also Ruby and Oscar's lie about the Lamp and Ozpin, but I don't agree with the sudden hatred and at each other's throats attitude/tension team RWBY and the Aces have.
--Sidenote-to-Sidenote: Honestly, I think Ironwood is fine. He's coming close to/is flying off the handle because everything seems staged and everything seems to be working against him. (I haven't seen ep13, don't know what happens)
On the case of Qrow, Clover, Robyn and Tyrion in ep12...
-Clover, there are literally more important things than arresting Qrow. You have Tyrion, one of Salem's followers, in custody and are transporting him, worry about getting him there first.
-Robyn, stop flying off the goddamn handle at the drop of a pin.
-Qrow, why the hell are you cooperating with Tyrion? He tried kidnapping Ruby, attacked the rest of team RNJR and literally tried to kill you. You Even Said You Have A Score To Settle With Him So Why Work With Him Against Clover.
I was honestly hoping Clover would be that Peacekeeper character, as much as he's an Ace. I was hoping he'd at the very least be smart about it and even just 'not like' the idea of Qrow being under arrest whilst Mantle is being Evacuated and Salem's people have infiltrated Mantle and Atlas.
--Sidenote: Tyrion, considering what happened and him taking advantage of the events, was good. He's doing fine in my opinion because of the events that are happening, it's just the other three that I don't like.
All in all, I really hated ep12.
The writers have shown time and again they are willing to throw away character progress, arcs, and common sense in order to set up fights they'd like to see happen. You can tell they have key points planned out but they have absolutely no idea how to organically get their characters from point A to point B. So they just start acting weird around the end of the season to catch up to some non existent character growth they forgot to put in.
Ironwood really carried V7 so far ...
No wonder he upgraded
XD
Man needs an upgrade and redemption arc.
@@gayanudugampola8973 YES.. HE DOES!!! (Does Jojo pose.) 😅
Then the writers decided to beat the ever living shit out of him while he was in the middle of his exercise.
I really do believe brown (amid other dull) colouring is an extremely powerful tool when it comes to character design, as it can be used to emphasise a bleak tone. It's usually best used sparingly however, typically towards an end of a show, as overuse can nullify the effect it should be having on viewers. How long is to long, you may be asking? Well, I'm pretty sure having a character wear it for half the show, even after her whole "oh no I'm depressed" arc is a tad much (looking at you Blake)
In terms of plot holes I didn’t realize how Robyn Hill should’ve been arrested as well. And I’m actually impressed how much 2D animation was used this volume but I think V6 did a better job with that around the end of it. I’m not sure if you don’t know this but RWBY has two new writers: one who was an author and the other was a guy who was already working for Rooster Teeth, just to let you know if you are not aware.
I also understand why you took down the initial video for what you said in the apology response but I literally think that RT couldn’t care less. You only see re-tweets from RWBY’s Twitter account of fan’s paying respect with art but nothing from Rooster Teeth’s actual account, not a single thing. But with CZcams’s premiere feature it’s a double-edge sword and makes me question if it’s actually a good thing.
I'm pretty sure videos getting taken down aren't a conscious effort from RT, though. For example, they love seeing people's reaction videos, but unless your video is structured to where you either have a facecam or animated background as the main part of the screen with the episode in a smaller portion of the screen, it gets taken down for copyright, and RT have to go and tell CZcams to put it back up.
RandomGirl119 Yeah I didn’t see the initial video, but I could imagine or assume that the clips that Manga used was at full screen and not on the television (a way to avoid your video taken-down). I’ve seen other reactions to RWBY shoutout to FatManFalling and Celtic Phoenix. But I thought Manga took the video because it aired on the day Monty Oum died. Of course the copyright thing is an issue but how would I know what was shown in the vid if I too late to watch it.
I’m so glad people are starting to realize RWBY isn’t the landmark show fans make you believe it is.
SuperMichael 98 It used to be entertaining at least.
It has been like this for ages.
I'm baffled as to why people would call stuff like Steven Universe "Landmark", from what I've heard and seen of it, that' d be like calling Mr Rogers amazing.
@@chaosXP3RT I started watching when the whole first season was already out.
@@chaosXP3RT My dad is new.
The RWBY characters in Blazblue Cross Tag Battle, are far better than their canon counterparts. In fact (Call it headcanon) I consider BB Tag more canon to RWBY than the actual series post vol 3
I can believe that.
Yeah, that's a fact.
I'm still VERY uncomfortable with the fact that Ruby was in close proximity of Hazama in the RWBY chapter.
@@Devilsblight86 I'm scared that Susanoo wanted to let Ruby pilot his body, which would've ripped her soul out and made her body unusable, and if rumors are true then suspended her in permanent agony. On the flip side a gods body is a damn good tool for taking down witches.
@@Devilsblight86 Lol understandable X3
The show was never really THAT good, and it died after Volume 3. Volume 4 I gave them a pass on, since Monty has passed away and they switched to other animation software, but volume 5 was the last straw for me. After hearing about that bumblebee pandering in volume 6, I knew there was no going back for me
Skeeter Mania nah man just open your eyes
As much that I love Rwby and the series, I know it has many problems.
As the old saying goes, to truly love something, you need to accept it for its flaws and all
This was a pretty good video.
It show and explains why volume 7 mistakes.
I’m only watching rwby just to see how it ends
@@mosesborras3221 it better end with Perry the Platypus killing Salem and Salem yelling "Curse you Perry the Platypus" and exploding.
Warm Lillie we definitely need more like you and a lot less nitpickers
Warm Lillie Honestly I think a lot of discontentment with the recent Volumes come from people who do love the series, but see the writing as subpar and wish it would improve. I see a lot of potential in this show to be as good as other series like My Hero Academia But it feels like the current crew are squandering that potential in various ways. And sadly it feels like they didn’t even improve once at all, just throwing in things that people like for example ships, they show Blake and Yang together a lot because many people ship Bumblebee and as a result they don’t have much screen time here that is actually memorable.
023 Studios that line is blurred but I’ll try
That whole torchwick situation would have made a great story but he was randomly killed.
Edit: spelling error
Cory in the House and Spongebob are much better animes then RWBY is.
@THE DRAGON KNIGHT SLAYER64 so you just came to hate on the show?I know I know its not the GOLD of the world like RWBY fans say it is but cmon if ur alredy gonna say its bad make a better joke .-.
@THE DRAGON KNIGHT SLAYER64 Yes because SpongeBob is has wonderful animation great story/characters there is nothing wrong with spongebob
Are you guys forget cory in the house ?
@@anarx1830 well cory in the house or cith for short is not as good compared to boondocks,spongebob,JOJO bizzarre adventure etc.
Rwby was good at first when Monty was alive but after he died the rest of roosterteeth decided to poorly write and sjwafy the rest of the show
It’s frustrating, because I love the characters and there’s so much potential in there, but... They just seem to not really do anything with it. It all just feels kinda flat.
All I wanted from Volume 7 was for Ironwood to have a good day.
If anyone in this show deserve one day, where nothing bad happened to them and they just won, it would be Ironwood.
In regards to the costuming, I hate the new designs, i think they're ugly [obviously everyone has an opinion, and I'm not going to bash someone for liking these, I just think they're flat out ugly.] But on top of that, because of their intricacy, it makes cosplaying them complex. I dont cosplay, but I loved that Monty made these designs with cosplayers in mind- not too complex or restricting and pockets/pouches for practicality. I feel like these new designs are not only less iconic, but generally more clutter. [Dont get me wrong, I love complex design, but when a sort of precedence is set for cosplay-friendly costume is set, it's kinda...disappointing? I just seems like less and less people cosplay the current outfits as time goes on, and I think that says something.]
Gives me Assassin's Creed flashbacks, lol.
I find them too busy, like a little too much (like the zippers as mentioned)
Ruby is fine but I don't like her new hair, Blake and Weiss are the worst offenders (especially those hair styles, again) and then Jaune with that... dumb fucking banana head, just why
Weiss's hair looks like an inverted soft serve cone
_I left this comment on the other video and I'm doing it again_
RWBY? More like
*Frantically searches for words that rhyme with ruby*
Cootie hahA take that RoosterTeeth
Dookie? Dootie? Poopy?
RWBY? More like booby [Insert Winter "Silence, you boob!" here]
RWBY? more like CRWPY
Only?!
Clovers death is his own fault
The writers made him stupid for no reason
And Qrows fault
@@juicebox7372 clover forced his hand. He was fighting tyrian until clover kept interfering
@@lilshokan You do know that when they were on the plane he literally decided to get in on a fight for nothing he started trying to calm everything down but decided to fight anyway because...?
@@juicebox7372 im talking about after even then whose to say the pilots would have turned heel too. And I stand by my statement. Yes the plane crash could have been avoided if he and robyn weent butting heads.
But when there is a murderous psychopath on the loose I think anyone with a brain would try to subdue him first
its both qrow and clover. Lets be real, they were both braindead. Clover started it but both of them made stupid decisions
**_Sigh_**
I agree, this Show while not a Masterpiece, it had something special that made me fall in love with it. Then between 2016 to now, I have become deluded with the writers, to the point that I prefer fanfics over the canon material.
Do I hate RWBY? No, I hate what has become. Such a good show, wasted :-(
With each disappoint that passes I wish Shirow Miwa would've continued his version of RWBY.
He's a much better writer honestly
I actually find myself really liking the characters he tells the stories of
Soul Hackers 2?
I somehow can't trust like 85% of all western animation to write a nice story. Or treat a story with respect to it's roots/origin. Which makes me sad.
It's either because they put politics before a good story, or that their just shit writers. Usually a combination of the two. However, there have been some good series to come out, Infinity Train and I Love You Mao Mao are pretty good examples. Its not all bad.
brandon roberts >Steven Universe
>Good story
You really should consider picking a lane there. Those aren’t exactly synonymous words
Skeeter Mania And mine is the opposite.
It's CZcams, pal. There's no reason I can't express my view either
It could even be that my opinion that his opinion is completely and utterly insane and that considering that show to have a good story is laughable
@@beta511ee4 What popular opinion? You mean in the cesspool called Tumblr? As far as I am aware here, there are plenty that sees the problems with SU then there are those sucking the shows dick. Maybe even more so nowadays.
@@beta511ee4 And I had seen videos that said the opposite and say how the show is trash. Hell you are commenting in a video saying that exact same thing.
The Yang vs Tifa battle turned me off from the series years ago, but I’ll admit Red Like Roses Part 2 slaps.
Still don’t plan on watching it though.
HOT BOLOGNA
Still low key a little mad that death battle blatantly downplayed tifa and gave Yang a no limits fallacy semblance to advertise volume three.
I like how they decide to clean that up with a death battle X with Ruby who's there should never won there too. Their excuse there are no rules in death battle x.
@@AdmiralRamirez7 yeah, when I watched DBX of Ruby, I felt like it was a script, and paid Ruby's opponent a lot of money to lose against her XD
@@lucaspokelover
Ragna probably needed the money after Tao mooching off him for food again.
@@williamharmon4039 hah yeah.
RWBY in a nutshell: "It doesn't matter how we get there as long as we get there, have some merch!"
“No, I don’t think I will”
XD
Yeah, I lost a fat amount of emotional engagement after Roman and Pyrrha died, which I still think was a huge misstep in terms of writing given that team JNPR has been proven to be more developed and likeable than team RWBY and probably should have been made the protagonist team.
Honestly, I respect Monty Oum, but I wouldn't put him up on a pedestal.
Let’s see salty RWBY fans try to figure out a way to take this reupload down.
All jokes aside, I do agree with your points. The show has gone down hill tremendously and continues to do so. Because, it’s not about building a world anymore. It’s about using the characters as living bullet points for fan service.
@@beta511ee4 The writing has suffered significantly because of it. An example being basically everything involving Blake.
@@beta511ee4 Why do you even need to ask??? Because awful writing makes a show an absolute chore to watch.
@@beta511ee4
Would you enjoy a show with a story that you think is poorly written or bad?
@@williamharmon4039 There people who enjoy a poorly written show like Rwby. I've noticed they come in three forms.
1st being someone who enjoys it because it is awful. 2nd which seems to be the most common that being someone who is completely inept at seeing the flaws of a shows writing and will do amazing feats of mental gymnastics to try to argue that said bad writing isn't bad writing. 3rd being someone who knows a show's writing is bad and enjoys said show regardless.
@@beta511ee4
You do realize that bad writing is a bad thing that makes a story unenjoyable, right?
Bad writing destroys charm and the ability to enjoy a story because it makes the story bad.
The election has so many problems, a video on it might end up being longer than the whole arc.
I was here to watch both parties tear each other apart.
4:47 I watched that episode two nights ago. I'm telling you I think Christina nailed it with Darkness's masochistic persona.
Contrivances, I See, so that's what you should look for whenever there's a Mary Sue in the Room.
My problem with ruby is the amount of times it contradicts itself. One major example of this is with Ruby’s feelings towards her mom throughout the story. The music implies that Ruby was upset about it, then the show did nothing to back that idea and thus you would have to assume that she had gotten past those feelings. Then in volume seven just Salem bringing up summer is enough to make her break down... for like 2 minutes. It just feels really poorly written
They also make it seem like Ruby sucks at combat without Crescent Rose, but the show starts with her kicking two guy’s asses before she brings it out.
That image of Jaune wearing Ryuji's mask made me laugh harder than it had any right too. XD
I only continue to watch RWBY for the culture (what little of it exists in the show), so that I can finish a fanfic that I have been working on.
I am very confused by all the censorship but then I remembered. "Oh right, copyright"
They really lost their way after Monty passed, if they had followed his plans more (and did animation like he did, no cutting corners), be a different show
I'm TWO MINUTES IN AND MANGAKAMEN DECIDES TO YEET A YUGIOH CLIP FROM ONE OF MY FAVORITE SERIES AND I'M AAaaa
The show has a real hard problem with the team RWBY facing the consequences of choices/mistakes. In the last part of volume 6 they steal a military aircraft and end up fighting with the person in charge of the military base there who goes in to stop them from stealing HER equipment and then disable her mech which was designed to save the town in the event of a Kaiju type grimm which actually does attack the town. Team RWBY defeat the Kaiju monster but not once did a self check of "We were almost the reason that town was destroyed". Then there is Ironwood's change in plan for the Amity coliseum; he had no time to save mantle and make sure the relic and maidens were save so decides to abandon Mantle so he can keep the maiden and Relic out of Salem's grasp; Team RWBY doesn't like the fact Mantle would be abandon and confronts Ironwood and decide to ruin his plan only leave as Salem arrives and not only did no save Mantle but put the relic and Atlus in her grasp. In conclusion Team RWBY keep doing a "the ends justifies the means" when it suits them and fight others when it doesn't and never deal with any blow back when their decisions goes wrong, it's only been a issue with me these past two volumes and i hope this isn't a trend they plan to keep doing in the future.
the supplemental information point you make is exactly how I felt about Minecraft back in the day and still do. you don't get shit so it defeats the purpose to have to read up to know the most basic things
I definatly got frustrated with this season. I keep telling myself to drop the show but it finds a way to reel me back in somehow. The major points here 100% sum up the issues I have with it (although the character designs didn't bother me nearly as much as the "plot" problems. In a weird way, I love the show and that adds to frustration since I know that they have a solid foundation of an interesting world, and then they write stuff like this.. Good vid kamen.
I dropped it after Volume 5, but I can understand where your coming from. I really want this show to ulitize it's potential more. It really could be much greater.
@@returnedtomonkey8886 Basically the only reasons to keep watching RWBY. Also I want to see Salem actually do something instead of sending her goons off.
@@returnedtomonkey8886 I know, which is why I'll watch V8. I want that Giant Titanic Battleship Whale Grimm as my pet.
I feel ya , i think of the main reasons i keep watching was the investment ive had in rwby
same here. it has garbage writing and there's so many issues with it but for some reason, i keep watching this series...
One of the ironies I kind of enjoy about RWBY is how the basic worldbuilding is overflowing with potentially interesting ideas: Auras, semblances, dust, the grimm, silver eyes, advanced robotics, the potential of transhuman augmentation and since we're stuck with it, magic. But the show somehow chooses to do nothing with any of them. They're all kind of just there and the focus is on melodrama.
I guess it's the writing equivalent of watching someone piss into their own face. Sure it's a spectacle and I'm sure it takes a lot of practice and skill to pull it off, but It's not really something I want.
RWBY: Shipping Commence
If I ever watched RWBY and got as far as Season 7 I suppose I'd have a soft spot for Robyn because her VA is also Noel's English dub from Blazblue. She sounds like she's having fun here at least. Sad that this series became so patchwork in quality.
If semblances do not work without aura....Qrow can stop his unlucky semblance by punching himself until he loses it?
Maybe
If I ever do one day, I'll definitely make a rant video on this Volume, Team RWBY, Ruby Rose in general because we're 7 Volumes in and we STILL got problems.
Also Mangakamen, I heard using comparison videos are great.
The draw I have to the series is how much I enjoyed the series for the first 3 volumes. The great character design, the awesome action, the fun if not incredibly predictable story. It was all part of the fun, and I feel everyone that watched the show knew it wasnt an amazing show, hell calling it a good show would even be pushing it. But it had so much passion, and an interesting enough world to keep me coming back. But literally all of those things aren't in the show anymore. There has been 1 or 2 new character designs, the action is straight doo-doo now, the world isn't nearly as interesting. So when the only thing the show excelled at is gone, why even bother? I haven't watched Volume 7 yet, and it sounds boring and annoying, so at this point, I might just wait till the series ends and then see how it went and watch I it if it is good enough.
Exactly how I felt. I've rewatched Voumes 1-3 a few times for that. Fun + cool action scenes. I watched volume 4 because I was still invested. But by the time volume 5 came out, I was already drained of all of my interest to continue following the show.
@@beta511ee4 While it has some good qualities, even from the start the show has always had huge glaring issues. The writing has always been inconsistent, the pacing is all over the place, the animation outside of the action scenes ranged from ok to terrible, the story was ok but isn't something I haven't seen before.
When compared to other shows that are considered great (Full Metal Alchemist, Cowboy Beebop, Death Note, etc.) Rwby doesn't even come close to that same level of quality on any level. But I was fine with that because it was a free show that was on CZcams that was made with a small team who were very passionate about their show. Monty in particular seemed to just be happy to be making a show, and I truly think that volume 1-3 was the best they could have done at the time. And that is why the later volumes don't have that same sympathy from me, because there is no excuse for the show to still be having the same issues with how big the project and rooster teeth themselves have become.
The plot feels like each sentence is written by a different person and the only context they're given is the two previous lines.
I was going to question if Robyn's powers would even work with Penny, but then I remember that Penny does technically have a semblance even if it's not her own.
Post-Editting Kamen has the same energy as Future Birdman.
Seriously though, this is a good video and I couldn't agree more with you
Also: Insert Groundhog Day joke about this being a reupload.
Manga here's the thing you're original video I would have disagreed with, but my opinions have changed, for me it maelstrom of things:
-Vic being dropped as Qrow's VA shortly after the controversy surrounding him which I believed and still believe to be founded on lies, the timing seemed to convenient.
-The Rabbidly Toxic fanbase
-RT pandering to that fanbase, literally it seems like Blake and Yang are only couple because those that shipped them were vocal about it, basically snubbing Sun my favorite character who Blake honestly seemed to have better chemistry with
-Frustration dealing with the RT video player, an average episode took at least 100 times refreshing the page before the damn video would play right, and I hope to hell I didn't have to pause and leave for any reason otherwise it wouldn't play anymore.
this all culminated to make me fall out of love with RWBY, Kamen all the issues you brought up here make me glad I never looked back
I see Miles and Kerry's crappy writing has gotten worse. As such, I'm officially done with RWBY.
@@beta511ee4 Does it matter? Either way it's not good writing.
@@beta511ee4 Then why the fuck even talk to me, then?! Why even watch the video?!
@@beta511ee4 because mediocre doesn't properly describe how garbanjo their writing is.
Skeeter Mania How is he exaggerating it? You can question his opinion but you cannot outright dismiss it because it assumes that there’s no justification behind it, which is a bone headed move for anyone to make. They didn’t say it was mediocre because they didn’t think it was mediocre, is that so hard to understand?
Skeeter Mania You’re asking them why you should care about their opinion? Dude you commented on THEM! Not the other way around! If anything, THEY have the right to say that, because I myself is asking anyone should care about your opinion here since you’re offering nothing productive.
From what I understand the soundtrack isn’t necessarily canon unless the writers say otherwise.
The dude who writes the songs has to look at the script or have it explained to him and he has to write a song based of what he heard/seen
Sometimes, I like to think that the world split into two timelines after Volume 3: One where we are now with bad haircuts and plot deficiencies, and one with character development, interesting backstories and awesome fight scenes.
I didn't watch volume 7 until this weekend because i had the feeling that all the faunus discrimination would be underwhelming, because if the show would show it to us instead of just talking about it, they should do it here, in Atlas, because Vale was too good, Mystral was a big kingdom of wich they showed us very little, and Vacuo is supposed to be a kingdom where you are welcomed if you can survive, no matter what you are. We were in Atlas and we didn't see anything about the faunus discrimination (i'm speaking about something that would justify some of them thinking violence was a good way of fighting back), and considering how V7 ended, it would be awful if they showed it next volume. That's why i didn't like a bit when they killed Adam in V6, the faunus discrimination died too (i feel like he was the only way the show had to let us feel what it really was to be a faunus, Adam might be a shit person, but he became a leader for a reason, and it seems like many people, including the writers, forgot about that).
And, as someone who just watches the show and doesn't really analyze it, i felt Blake forgot how to fight. In the final fight, she only used her semblance once, and it might have been when she had no aura left (first they added that cool effect to let us know when someone ran out of aura, and then people had their aura depleted twice in the same fight, and then Blake uses her semblance when she had that effect before, so i don't know what it means anymore).
A lot of things in Season Seven when it came to the Atlas Military and Government didn't make sense.
For example, in the last episode, when Ironwood abandons Mantle, it's really out of character. He's a general so he's gotta understand that he is fighting a war against a faction which can keep replenishing it numbers whereas the the kingdom of Atlas has only so many people. If he abandons Mantle, he abandons [ perhaps ] millions of new recruits. Those recruits would be vital in fighting a war like the one they're fighting with Salem. They definitely could not win a war of attrition but it would buy them time to find a solution. He also wouldn't just shoot Oscar because inside Oscar is the person he need to win the war. Yes, it has been said that Salem can't be killed. Key word however would be killed. Ozpin, despite saying he doesn't most likely will have a plan.
This video made good points about Atlas's Government aswell so for that, go watch the video.
On another note, Atlas is said to be the Military Superpower yet can't arrest a few kids? Atlas needs a buff. It was never portrayed to be the Military Superpower it is so I say in Volume 8, they need to be a bit more than some "stormtroopers". Also, I prefer the designs of the Atlas stuff from the first three volumes. I would also like more conventional designs apart from just mechs and robots, maybe things like Combat Trucks, Tanks, APCs, so on.
If you want a development for Cinder Fall, let's just give everyone Maiden powers and pissed off her, there we go, she express her emotions and mental outburst. 😇😇 a perfect character growth.
This has been the weirdest series of uploads on this channel.
Unlike all the Robin hoods I actually have an English accent
If you get that reference leave a like
Nope, tell.
@@pixelanywhere888 Hah, Men in Tights reference.
@@kingdomcome3914 thx
For me, I lost the interest (as well as all the shit RT has been doing... I don't think I need to name them) in the show. Yes, the fight scenes have gotten better. Yes, the world is somewhat interesting. But as you have said, none of that matters IF the show has bad writing as well as outside influence. I feel if they stopped the show for two years and continued to work on it and set things in stone, it might be a good show. But unfortunately, next season is apparently in October and that REALLY has me concerned. However, I do still keep up with the show (from outside sources)
Now, I made my own version of the Faunus War. Completely different and is actually a WAR.
The Faunus, pissed at getting handed the short stick, decided to take advantage of the on-going depression that was hitting Remnant. From within, the Faunus spread rumors of how another war was brewing, ultimately making each of the four kingdoms wary of each other.
From there, the Faunus then began to attack small towns, but not causing enough to cause any major concerns with the kingdoms. That is until the Faunus successfully managed to hit a small Vale weapons depot. Causing a bit of alarm to the kingdom and sending a squad there to check it out. The Faunus, knowing this, made sure to make as little Human casualties as possible, and making their deaths more numerous. The Faunus made the head dude in charge give an all clear and sent the Vale forces back to the kingdom
From there, the Faunus began raiding more and more, collecting weapons and supplies until it was too little, too late for Vale. They realized what was going on but at that point, the Faunus were at their doorstep and sacked Vale within a few months. Vale fell due to lack of modern weaponry at the time. They mainly had bolt actions.
The Faunus then moved their sights on Vacuo, which was under immense pressure from internal collapse due to the depression and how heavy the Great War fucked them up. The Faunus near Vacuo managed to create enough chaos until the main force arrived. Vacuo fell within two months due to their economic and military (lack of) position.
Atlas, not wanting to spare any kind of supplies, pulled out once Mantle was under siege. Since all the airships were still relatively new and Atlas was the leading manufacturer, Mantle was lost. However, there was still fighting for a year and a half inside the city until they were liberated.
Mistral kind of fell. It was more along that lines of Vichy France of WW2. The Faunus managed to take the main city but only advanced a few miles until all of Anima surrendered. With this, (almost) Remnant was under the Faunus Army's rule
Vale decided to take on a rather risky initiative. They allowed criminals, even the worse ones, to form into groups and push the Faunus out. They did and with that, took control of the weapons depots and allowed Vale to make weapons once again. It was at this point, Vacuo managed to keep control of a vital city named Meso and began hastily make weapons. Eventually, the two kingdoms were liberated and met up and then took the fight to Mantle. Then focused on Mistral. Menagerie would be as if Operation: Downfall were a thing. (For those of you who don't know, Operation: Downfall was the planned invasion of Japan before the nukes were the option in WW2)
All of the war was around 8 years. (I know the last parts kinda fell apart, but I'm re-working everything out)