Can Mario Defeat Bowser in 1 Turn? (feat. Bird650)
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- čas přidán 28. 08. 2019
- Final Bowser is a surprisingly difficult boss in Paper Mario, which is to be expected from the game’s last battle. He has 99 health and 2 defense. But still, can he be defeated in a single turn? I invited Bird650 to help me answer that question!
The final Bowser fight is separated into 2 phases. Phase 1 is somewhat scripted; Bowser cannot die even if he reaches 0 health. But, Mario and his partner are free to chip away at his health during the first two turns. On turn 1, Bowser will attack, randomly choosing between his Fire, Claw, and Stomp abilities. At the end of turn 2, Bowser doubles his attack power and becomes invincible with Star Shield. Mario’s Star Beam was said to remove Bowser’s Star Shield, but the phase ends when it fails, and all seems lost.
After a long cutscene that upgrades Star Beam and heals Mario, phase 2 begins. Bowser retains the same health pool, so any damage dealt to him earlier carries over. Now starts the real final battle, where Bowser can actually lose. He still has the same shield from the first phase though. Star Beam, now called Peach Beam, is able to remove Final Bowser’s invincibility. This takes up Mario’s first turn, and our only hope at defeating Bowser on turn 1 is with a partner.
That’s hard to manage, but it is possible with enough damage in phase 1. There are a few ways to approach this, but most will utilize some combination of the Ultra Boots (3 base damage), both Power Plus badges (+2 damage), All or Nothing (+1 damage), P-Up, D-Down (+1 damage), Mega Rush (+4 damage while in Peril), Merlee’s Spell (+3 damage when it activates), Watt’s Turbo Charge (+1 damage for a few turns), and Power Bounce (deals immense single target damage, scaling with attack power). If Mario can manage 2 solid Power Bounces in phase 1, gets 2 strong partner moves in, and avoids Bowser’s attack to maintain Mega Rush’s damage boost, we can deal tons of damage. This sets us up for a turn 1 kill in phase 2.
The problem is, it’s not a perfect strategy. Power Bounce allows you to jump on enemies repeatedly until you mistime one of your hits. There is a hard limit at 101 jumps on a single target - more than enough to K.O. every enemy and boss in one turn. However, a lot of RNG (luck) was implemented to discourage this. Power Bounce is still extremely overpowered with boosted attack power, but the damage potential is inconsistent, especially on bosses.
The developers used a formula to limit Power Bounce’s lethality on tougher enemies. A random “cap” can force Mario to stop a Power Bounce early, even if you timed the jump perfectly. Every enemy in the game has an unacknowledged Power Bounce property, which factors into the formula and determines the chances of getting capped. To no one’s surprise, the final iteration of Bowser is the most unforgiving of them all. Jdaster64 has more information here:
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I'm so confused, how is that one turn? Both Mario and Sushi attack more than once.
I hope you don’t mind me pinning this comment just to help clarify this! It’s a bit confusing, especially if you’re unfamiliar with the final Bowser fight itself.
Whether or not we actually beat him in “1 turn” depends on how you look at it. There are 2 completely separate phases, and the game treats these like different battles.
Phase 1, Bowser becomes invincible. You have 2 chances to attack before this happens. Even if you “beat” Bowser in Phase 1, the show must go on. He will never die. The only way forward is by trying the move Star Beam while he’s powered up, and since that no longer works, we are destined to lose. A couple cutscenes turn things around though!
Phase 2 starts after that break, and is different. This time, we can actually win if Bowser gets knocked down to 0 health. And a Turn 1 kill is possible! This is because Bowser’s health pool is carried over from phase 1. Any damage we did in the earlier fight will still be useful.
If you do enough damage in the first phase, you can kill him on Turn 1 in the second phase. This is the fastest you can possibly kill him, and it takes a solid strategy to pull off. It’s also very luck-based.
The video explains the mechanics of Bowser’s AI and Power Bounce and how that information allows us to come up with these strategies, which may be used in speedruns and challenge runs.
Welp... I need to clear my brain from all of this info.
Brain* I meant brain..
@@Stryder7x So TL;DR, Bowser's only defeatable in 1 turn if you count Phases 1 and 2 as separate fights, with Phase 2 Bowser being the 1-turn defeat.
@@d3-ll754 Pretty much, and this was a thought experiment on how we could do the fight in as few turns as possible. Turns out you can also *theoretically* deal 99 damage to him in 1 turn if you get insanely lucky with Power Bounce, but that makes no difference in Phase 1. You'd likely have to manipulate RNG to even see that happen too, and that's another topic of its own
@@Stryder7x The moral of the story is: Power Bounce is OP.
-Now if only I was good at the Action Command...-
*explains math*
Mario: **abuses goomba aggresively**
Mario be trying to get one of his exclusive items from super Mario rpg early
"if you enjoyed this video you're probably a nerd"
guilty as charged your honor
I'll be honest it more comes down to if you can understand the video lol
Well, Looks like i'm not alone
@NotCoolBoyFan1 "If you enjoyed this video, you're probably a Make sure to sub"
You can say that for most of this channel
6:48 “Stop it, he’s already dead”
Stryder7x: *Continues to bounce on the goomba for more than a minute*
Stryder7x: *presses A with malicious intent*
An embarrassing one turn defeat is what Bowser deserves for stealing the Star Rod from the Kirby series for his benefit
@@valenxia9517 he/she just comments there's no reason to insult him/her for watching something similar to you
He didn't really learn his lesson though, because Mario Party 8.
@@pizzadeliveryarcheops7756 I agree with you and I like your username. Haha
@@valenxia9517 stfu weeb
@@valenxia9517 hey at least youre kinda quirky and edgy doe
7:50 Stop! Stop! He's already deaaaad
fuck, i JUST made this comment and you beat me to it by mere hours. good job sir
Caaaaaaaaarl that kills people!
He was already dead by the first bounce
Why is it that the only consistency in the paper Mario series is killing bowser when he's already defeated
*BOINK BOINK BOINK BOINK*
This man has talked and used this game for content for 5 years, with a game this old that takes some dedication
Yep. He loves this game, with all it's flaws and all.
Paper Mario is a Good RPG. Such a rarity.
@Yoshi Does Stuff An A press is an A press. You can't say it's a half.
@@groudongamer3178 Get yourself someone who loves you as long and as much as Stryder7x loves paper mario
Dedication or obsession?
Killing Bowser with an untimed Sushi flop may be funny but a way a real man defeats him is with the almighty...
Pebble.
TRUTH. I wish this was possible on Turn 1, but we're forced to use Peach Beam for Mario's attack :(
Unless it's been banned 4 times, of course.
My God, I've stumbled upon the most powerful weapon in the game! The Mithril Pebble of Pigsmiting!
*deep breath*
FOR YOU SEE, long ago, this pebble was forged in the fiery depths of Tartarus, by the Grand Blacksmith of Lucifer Himself, in a time before the world began-
@@Stryder7x :(
Naw
Uncharges boo slap is better than untimed sushi flop imo.
But the real question is Can you crash Paper Mario right after this?
Do you need to answer that question.
That joke got old now
Only on the original hardware lol
If you input too many commands for Sushie's Tidal Wave then yeah
I hope so
Evey time I see the video pause to explain something I expect a message in the corner saying "game crash"
I swear, the first time I played The Thousand Year Door, I managed to knock Shadow Queen from full health down to zero by charging up a single continuous Power Bounce.
Then I found out she had a second form.
I got destroyed.
Hope you guys enjoy this one, not dealing with glitches today but it was still interesting to put together! A couple quick things -
I’ve been back to livestreaming on Twitch lately, so definitely give it a look if you like Nintendo games! www.twitch.tv/stryder7x
Bird650 is by far most active on Twitch! His streams are really chill as well, so if you catch him live sometime, tell him I sent you! www.twitch.tv/Bird650
Last but not least, Jdaster64’s discoveries on Power Bounce RNG made this video way more involved, and he helped a lot with the explanation. His website has posts detailing hidden info in Mario games. The Super Mario Files deserves way more attention! supermariofiles.wordpress.com/index/
Good content man
Hi. I see you uploaded.
Awesome Video
It's fine mate.
Keep up the good work of your content.
So glad you are back!
I think it’s absolutely amazing that you spend so much time dissecting a game so close to your heart, and with so much detail to boot.
You’re a gem. Please don’t stop!!
Yeah I used to think I was the ultimate Paper Mario 64 fan but I guess it's not true
He should maybe he get destoryed by nintendo
You wanna see some PhD levels of dissection, there's a video dissecting the Super Mario 64 TAS world record. The run is 4mins 20 seconds (I'm not memeing, that's actually how long it is), and the explanation video is about 38 minutes
@@ashtonsmith1730 All he doing is playing the game and with a lot of edits heavily analyzing it. Nintendo would never take down these kinds of videos.
@Stefan Albulescu _Wut._
I had to laugh in the intro.
Stryder: "Can you defeat Bowser in one turn?"
Bowser: "Oh noooooo"
Can't tell if it's an answer or a cry of panic.
Mario: [Uses the Power Bounce badge with the full multiplier]
Mario: *”OMAE WA MOU SHINDEIRU.”*
bowser: NANI?
Only if he rolls a 5, wins every minigame and gets every Bonus Star.
Oh? Whoops, wrong game!
Witch is the right game then
Sandra Skender mario party dingus
thepurplemudkip999 r/woooosh
@@A-Person-Who-Exists r/woooosh
Ashton Smith you cant woosh a teammate
6:49
Me: rip that goomba
6:55
Me: lol
7:20
Me: okay you can stop now
7:45
Me: HES ALREADY DEAD
I love how technical these videos always are. It's great to see a glimpse into something you really wouldn't dream of doing on a casual run
Can Mario beat bowser in 1 turn?
Lets talk about that.
But first, we need to talk about parallel universes.
Mario can beat bowser in one turn. Or can he? Hey vsauce, michael here XD
And that, my friends, is the Kilian Experience!
@@CloroxBleach-xb6wi An A press is an A press, you can't say its only half.
@@assassin01620 """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Shimmering""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" bass
If dodge master adds 7 to the multiplier of goombas, does this mean the quotient can theoretically overflow?
In theory, yes, and it would happen alarmingly quickly due to the exponentiation involved in the calculation of the quotient
I would want to see a video on that.
Jumping on a Goomba, crashes Paper Mario.
Stryder7x, make a video about this! I wanna hear about how to crash the game by power bouncing on a Goomba!
I’m not sure if they capped the quotient itself, but there is a hard limit to the number of Power Bounces you can do, at 101. No way around that, so no overflow :(
Fantastic content as always. You (and whatever guest you pull in depending on the video) always do a fantastic job explaining the numbers and the reasonings behind them.
SO LONG GAY BOWSE-
(atomic explosion that is ear-piercing)
*THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR-TO PLAYIN' MY GAME!*
Ah, I see you're a man of culture as well.
YES
Is that a motherfocking terminal montage reference
Local Italian Plumber obliterates Homosexual Turtle King
great minds think alike...
the bug testers probably look at these videos and are like "what there's more!?"
so power bounce actually has a cap on bosses? and all this time i tought i was missing timing D:!!
nope. Bosses that multiple have phases dont let you kill em first turn. I learned that very early on as a kid.
It's designed that way to keep players from abusing the move, though how it actually works is a bit misleading.
I Never know doge master is that helpful i guess nintendo should name that bage jump master
@@Nintendotron64 that didn't stop stryder7x tho
it also works on some stronger enemies
played this game so much. my thumb twitches every time Mario did a power bounce. subconsciously trying to time it
you have achieved ultra instinct
You know what they say...
*SO LONG GAY BOWSER!*
All toasters toast toast!
Zachary Johnson **THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR PLAYING MAH GAME!**
@@XmodxgodX ahah here's the problem, too many toasters!
I Thought he was gonna say all toasters toast toast!
Zachary Johnson farewell to you, homosexual reptile of royal status!
Why yes, I am a nerd, and I did enjoy watching.
Seeing people get under a game's mechanics like a mosquito under skin is super fascinating, and I hope I can keep seeing content this good.
@Bagelbite The Neutral "Why yes, I am a nerd"
Bro you're posting cringe
@@TheArchsage74 excuse me but when did he say that
Bowser beaten by a fish...🤣🐟
Wow
Got belly flopped to death by fish ,its more retarded than being pecked to death by chiken.
Yo, that transition at 10:15 was perfect. I had to rewatch it like 5 times.
Mario: I'm in danger!
Bowser: I'm _really_ in danger!
I remember this discussion on Reddit! Thanks for being so involved in the community Stryder!!!
Mario starts the turn by unleashing an almighty beam to weaken him... Then nonchalantly throws a fish at him to finish the job... He is the ultimate master of the long forgotten art... Of the FISH FIGHT!!!
God it’s amazing how in-depth older games like these went into making mechanics like the powerbounce. Those formulas are something I’d never be able to come up with in a million years. I’m amazed at how much work can go into setting up such a feat
The real question is "Does Stryder uploading 2 videos in a month crash paper mario?"
or are we just lucky
He can only use Recover 3 times? I could swear that's not even true...
My past self is sure he uses it at least 50 times per turn
I've been watching this channel for years, and it's still just as entertaining to see Stryder talk as ever. His knowledge about the game is so in-depth it's honestly astounding, and I'm so happy to see he's still in the swing of things.
*Me while watching this:*
What is a quotient
It's the number you get from division. So, for say, 6÷2, the quotient is 3 (and remainder 0) and for 9÷2, the quotient is 4 and remainder 1.
señor futaba, it is an honor
You are the god of Paper Mario, a paper Mario video without your presence feels almost wrong.
I love this. The strategy and statistics that go into this look very fun to work out
Literally I was playing Paper Mario and this notifications popped up. Worth dying to Bowser for!
What happens if you forcibly trigger a "defeated" state on Prologue Bowser using hacks? Can he even be defeated by only hacking your damage output to ludicrous amounts?
To my knowledge from playing around in an emulator once, the game locks up if you defeat prologue Bowser. When he uses star shield in that fight, the programmers simply increase his defence by one which is enough to make all of Mario's moves do no damage but if you hack Mario's attack power to be higher, you can beat him.
Why it crashes, I presume because there is no information in the game's code for what to do if you win that fight since you are supposed to lose for the following cutscene to trigger. After all, you aren't supposed to be able to win so I suppose they didn't need to program anything for that outcome.i'm no expert though.
@@fatforceremorse I have a bit of a more involved theory, based on other crashes found by Stryder7x. The battle system probably has an internal mechanism put in place for the developers to allow special enemies to override the standard Game Over and enemy defeated sequences. Prologue Bowser is one such enemy, that overrides the Game Over (so you don't just lose), but doesn't override the enemy defeated sequence. The devs also probably don't check if Bowser was indeed not defeated before starting the original cutscene (they just coded the cutscene to begin after battling Bowser, since you're supposed to be unable to defeat him anyway) As a result, when defeating Prologue Bowser, two cutscenes play at once (the standard enemy defeated + Prologue Bowser kicks Mario out). The enemy defeated cutscene getting rid of Bowser's sprite, in turn, causes the regular cutscene to crash the game.
@@3lH4ck3rC0mf0r7 I seem to remember the game instantly breaks the moment you deal the fatal damage to Bowser, it cuts to a static screen of the sky where the floating castle is. Could be an emulator thing though, N64 with a cheat device maybe reacts differently.
@@fatforceremorse Then it could be something else
This was actually explained in an earlier video: on N64 the game crashes, but on Virtual Console the battle ends like any other and the prologue continues as normal, with Mario reacting somewhat differently
Remember that time when you uploaded “10 mistakes in paper mario” then we all thought you died?
This is really cool! I'm so excited whenever you put out a new video, keep making the great content please!
Yes! A new upload! This video was totally worth the wait! Keep it up!
But but but.. it hasn’t been a year?
"Can bowser get defeated in one turn"
It's surprisingly simple
There is something so fun about watching stats about a game from 20 years ago proving you can beat the final boss in one turn. I love your videos, they are very interesting.
I love this channel, everything is so well explained!
Oh boy you knew it was my birthday recently, thanks stryder
I see a new Stryder7x vid, I click on it. That simple!
Hoping it crashes the game?
64th like!
I always loved how simple the fire attack effect was from the big man. This game had such beautiful art work.
I remember when i first played paper mario (just one year ago) i studied all that shit about power bounce multipliers, the dodge master badge adding something etc.
I just found it pretty interesting, and for once, i'm already ahead of your video xD
Hears final boss music
Me: Nintendo why you delete music channel
Hey Stryder. Just wanted to write this comment and didn't know where to put it whatsoever so I'll put it in this video.
I just wanted to know you that I've been following your CZcams Videos for more than a year now, and you have become probably my favourite youtuber of all time. Your videos are just amazing and I can feel how much you love these games. I've been playing Paper Mario since the first game came out, specially SPM which was my favourite and watching someone who actually gives this games as much love as you do... It's just an amazing feeling. (English is not my first language so I cannot express as I would like to, but I just hope you get the message)
I just wanted to let you know that CZcams wouldn't be the same for me if it wasn't because of you, and I hope you keep making this kind of videos. I know they will end someday and I don't want to put pressure on you (I'm a random teenager after all lmao) but I just feel like I needed to tell you this. Really looking forward to watching more of your content in the future :D
channels like yours and pannenkoek that dissect the shit outta specific old games are so satisfying to watch for me
These paper mario videos are always impressive and insightful!
But can you get the crash handler to somehow crash tho?
"Crashing Paper Mario Crashes Paper Mario"
I don't think there is a crash handler in paper mario.
I think he said in a video the N64 version has a crash handler
Ok, so basically
Using Tidal Wave crashes Paper Mario
And I guess I'm a nerd. Neat.
HE RETURNS!
Love your vids dude, especially ttyd vids, good to see you upload again
I remember theory crafting ways to do this on one of my more boring days, but without any kind of emulator I had no way of testing it without getting extremely lucky, which I didn't feel like fighting Bowser 700 times to achieve. However, you went through a lot of the stuff I thought of, and it was amazing to see how everything I came up with actually worked out. Awesome video Stryder!
7:10 STOOOOP HE'S ALREADY DEA-HEHEAD
You just went through QPUs and used a scuttlebug to one hit Bowser...
HOW IS YOUR COMMENT SO LOW
Memetastic why are you here
if my reply is third that means ill be famous when this video gets famous
lady bow is the best
This is the first time I have seen one of your videos.
Paper Mario is my favorite RPG and one of my all-time favorite Mario games. While I don't break it apart to check out fancy, game-breaking tricks and techniques, it's refreshing to see someone who loves the game even more.
Not bad, Stryder.
I love seeing these videos of my favorite game of all times.
When defeating Bowser in 1 turn doesn't crash Paper Mario.
Pathetic.
Good luck on me, getting Paper Mario 64 and Paper Mario thousand year door.
Don’t worry they’re really easy...
Get emulator on the 64 version
Seeing a game opened up and having its mechanics explained makes making games look a lot more possible.
Why i even watch this channel is a complete mystery, but i Love it!
Gotta love ‘em mechanics. I wish i could learn the process and help with these things. I have already tried analyzing ram in NDS games but i did some little things, nothing too crazy... You and everyone you relate to simply destroy the game’s code and use it to your advantage (or to create awesome content). I would love to learn to do these things and help.
You amaze me by doing some incredible TASs to show your points clearly.
JDAster amazes me with the statistics he gets from analizing the games code (i dont even know how to SEE the code, imagine understanding it...).
And the speedrunners of this game are just awesome and i love watching everyone play.
Same applies for other games like SM64. I’d love to be able to help, seriously ;-;
Couldn’t you copy the Dodge Master and lucky day badges to guarantee high values?
If I remember correctly, each badge is unique and is coded so multiples do nothing.
For example, "Power Plus" badge is assigned a unique value; lets's say you copy the "Power Plus" from Shyguy's toybox and it's identifier is "001", the copy would also have that identifier. It can be equipped but has no effect after the first one.
It's mentioned in Stryder's "most elaborate glitch" video.
Stryder already covered that copied badges do jack shit. So the answer is no.
New video, nice. Thanks for your work!
Glad to see you uploading again!!
When you’re this early and have nothing to say.
daddy strider, can you beat paper mario sticker star without sending the game flying through the window after 30 minutes?
In theory yes, but it's a 1 in 11 billion chance.
Good video! I'm a total math nerd and love this kind of stuff.
As a bit of a point of clarification, when the chart is shown at 8:37, the column that reads "% chance to continue bouncing" should probably read "cumulative % chance to continue bouncing", as the odds shown are representative of a cumulative percentage rather than independent trials at that point.
An interesting extra that would be fun to know would be the expected value of the number of jumps. It isn't too hard to calculate; just a bit time consuming since you can't generalize the formula until jump 9. A real close value for the expected number of jumps is about 3.653 (I rounded and also stopped chugging numbers on my phone calculator on jump 8, as all jumps after 9 have a really low chance and are negligible), which means most trials will end on the 3rd or 4th jump, but you're ever so slightly skewed towards the 4th jump. This makes sense, as (barely) over half the trials get to jump #4 or more. Further, the probabilities of stopping on higher jumps (up until jump 8) are not negligibly small, and bring the value up a tad due to the jump number being higher despite the lower probability.
great video stryder!! challenge things are always cool. keep it up :)
The answer is...
Watch the video, don't expect spoilers from me, his videos are the best and can explain everything
Eh, *_kinda_*
Nice to see you still upload
An upload on my birthday?! You shouldn’t have! For real tho this is the best paper Mario channel, and I’m looking forward to more. Peace
I had no idea there was luck based around the multi-jumps. I just thought it was crazy timing.
Great vid as usual Dyler
I think 'kind of' is a fitting answer to the question posed at the start of the video. Not just for the reason mentioned, but also because I find it hard to justify a straight 'yes' when the most effective method known is so luck dependent.
Man I love these exploration of Paper Mario.
"Behold! My most POWERFUL possession! The Six-Sided Dice!"
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"Ooh! That sucks! Three bounces for you! Better luck next time!"
Im so happy my favorite game ever just keeps getting more and more playable.
6:45 F in the chat for that poor goomba
F
Props Stryder! Love the videos and are always keeping it fresh man. And wow only a day old and more views than subscribers?! Nice man
that Tidal wave and the entire explanation were satisfying af
Paper Mario is a perfectly balanced game with no exploits
Watching these videos makes me realize I need to play this one day
holy shit, haven't heard that name in awhile. I used to watch bird way back before he even had a sub button. It's crazy stumbling on this video in my recommended bar and hearing him in a video with so many views. His streams were so nice for chilling and chatting.
These videos are so cool! Also, nice of you to write the script for Bird to read, that part at the end must have taken especially long to come up with ;)
this was a very interesting video, it’s not exactly a topic i’ve ever thought about before.
i can promise you nobody cares
Local Italian plumber causes chaos by bouncing on the heads of his heads repeatedly, goomba smashed to bits after 20+ bounces
To this day people still love this series
WE’VE BEEN BLESSED WITH AN UPLOAD FROM STRYDER
Love your content stryder. Pannen should take notes.
Bro over here DEMOLISHING that goomba like holy hell man it was overkill on the first jump, now you're just brutalizing the poor thing.
The way that my brother and I would beat Bowser is through Goombario's Multibonk ability. There is no Cap to the amount of times you can hit Bowser with it. Peach beam and use Charge. Then, just Multibonk Bowser to beat Bowser from full health. Doesn't require any luck. All you need is the skill and good timing to not miss the bonks
My sister can max out on tidal wave. I used to pull it off as a kid. Hated it when the game crashed on the N64. But cool video, dude. Loved Paper Mario as a kid and still play it.
You know, I told someone in a stryder stream that this wasn't possible long before this was uploaded.
Now, look where that claim got us. It got us a very interesting video on a limit of an overpowered move and that limit being broken for a final boss quick kill. Damn.