Escaping Scientology, Tom Cruise's Impact, and a Prison of Belief, with Mike Rinder
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- Megyn Kelly is joined by Mike Rinder, former senior executive with Scientology and author of "A Billion Years," to discuss the ban on Scientologists reading negative press about Scientology, how Scientology pushes you to remove your emotions, how Scientologists remove toxic personalities in their life through "disconnection," growing up and his parents getting involved in Scientology, how Rinder "escaped" from Scientology, the stalking and spying that happened when he left, the way Scientology separates parents and kids, why celebrities are such a big part of Scientology, Tom Cruise's influence on Scientology, how Cruise's marriages were navigated, the infamous Cruise-Lauer moment, how the Sea Org was banning new children for a time, the "prison" of belief, and more.
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As an ex-Scientologist I will just say that in my case the reason I stayed for so long was that the theraphy they gave was just something else. I would get this entense feeling of purity and perfection. I felt soo clean, I felt beautiful inside and out. I was euphoric and I felt this love for everyone around me. Was surreal. However the abuse they put you though is something else too. I started to dissociate, derealise, I felt so trapped. It definitely is a lying, coercisive, deceiteful, controlling cult that will take everything from you if they can.
Sorry you went through that.. welcome to the 💜✨ in the world!! 💐💫😘
It’s called control NOT THERAPY OBVIOUSLY YR STILL CONTROLLED
YOUR STILL CONTROLLED
Fuck nda let them sue transfer your funds they can’t sue if you don’t have money
I’m happy for u. I’m sure it takes major bravery to leave. The feeling of cleanliness and purity can b felt in other ways.
You didn’t fail, you succeeded...in seeing the lie, and admitting it and then getting out. Well done Sir 👍
Well I hope you don't support Tom Cruise movies ..if more people would stop going to his movies
Boycott these sicko's
Perhaps real people can expose this cult .
The leader is Satan
Yes indeed. I think what plaques whistle blowers, especially when we're dealing cults, which essentially indoctrinate and brainwash it's members is a kind of shame, if even subconscious, both for exposing something that's part of their life and identity, and for being part the fraud in the first place. It's complicated because you see yourself as part victim and part perpetrator, which is why some people never speak out. Thankfully, Mike Rinder has, and I can hardly imagine anyone more articulate! His every word rings of truth, power and insight.
My friend had to escape for her life and was threatened and harassed for years after she left.
Hope she has peace now and is living and enjoying her life to the fullest
@@carolcohen1790
How awful for her.
That's the same for so many who dare to speak about their experiences.
Have watched several of blogs on CZcams from different ex-members, including the dad of guy who took over from the original leader.
Their stories of being hassled, punished, financially abused are horrific.
What happens to people put on the various punishment regimes is so cruel, I'm surprised there aren't more serious injuries or deaths. But I guess they have figured out that if you make people responsible for each other it seems to keep them going.
I can't remember if it was Mike, but one of the guys who speaks out about what they went through still has medical problems with their knees because in the the jail they had to crawl around on their hands and knees all the time.
It's hard to imagine but humans can become so brainwashed.
They tried to introduce my daughter to scientology. She was at an eye appointment and complained of headaches. The opthamologist introduced her to Dianetics and how she could overcome stress that caused her headaches. She brought the book Dianetics home, which was in his waiting room for patients. He told her to read it. She was 15 years old. I was furious. I explained cults to her. She received something in the mail. I called the opthalmologist and told him I wanted her off their mailing list. He asked why I didn't like sci. I told him it was none of his business. He said I would need to get in touch (he gave me a phone number) with someone to get her off the mailing list. I refused him and said, no, you do it. You got it started. I then berated him for applying scientology to his professional licence,. and that he did not have the qualifications to diagnose psychosomatic illness under an Opthalmology license. I told him the next thing for me would be to complain to the board of Opthalmology. It seemed that this did the trick. Never heard from them again. This was in Moberly, Missouri in 1992. I don't know if he still practices Opthalmology or not. I don't remember his name.
Fantastic move. Still should have reported him.
I grew up very near there. Hopefully he has since retired.Scary .
Well Momma bear You Saved your daughter's life!! God blessed you!!
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@@jillcarrero2683 thank you. This organization is SO dangerous. Had my daughter not told me, she would have read the book. Seeds being planted. I was SO angry.
Megan, as an ex Scientologist this is one one the best interviews I have seen. I love that you choose to highlight the lure that Scientology has. Great questions!
Thank you I didn't know she was an ex Scientologist
@@diana0620 Hi Diana. I am an ex-Scientologist of seven years. I was addressing my comment to Megan. Megan seems to really research her topics well, she is an excellent reporter.
@@diana0620 I believe the comment poster meant that s/he was a former Scientologist, not Megyn. However, I can see the confusion in the statement. Peace.
Really had to attach the pronouns for she/he. There's only male and female. That other crap doesn't exist. People are too afraid to say it for public bashing or losing jobs. Well I'm not lol. Guessing my military background taught me speak the truth and not political crap lol
I can corroborate most of what Mr Rinder have said here, I was Miscavige's security guard at Flag Land Base who also cared for all senior exec's including Mr Rinder. I'm glad he is out and formed a new family and so glad he published this new book. I knew his son Ben , he was a Commodore's Messenger at Clearwater. great interview!
Thanks for confirming your experience
Were you able to easily walk away?
@@MeriamH. Hello Meriam, no it wasn't . I got forcefully divorced, never got to speak with my ex ever again, got send to de RPF for a year before I gave up to everyone and everything and routed off completely. Went to Miami because didn't want to get on a plane back to Argentina. Flag tried to influence me via the people I stayed, I had to run and hide up state in Connecticut for four years before I left the US. Always wanted to go back to Clearwater and find my ex to speak to her and close chapter like it should be done. I gave up that too and the Best way to overcome that was to assume she died. I had to continue with my life after I gave my own for COB and all exec's.
@@neotheone333 this makes me so emotional…I’m so sorry this happened to you and your family!
@@MeriamH. Thank you so much 😊
I have utmost respect for Mike Rinder, Leah Remini, Karen de la Carriere, Aaron Smith-Levin, Marc Headley, Claire Headley and many others. Sad, Mike was brought into this mind altering, hateful, money mongering group as a 5yr old. He's a hero! Unafraid to tell the truth. Thanks for your courage Mike. Carry on!
Karen is such a lovely lady.
They gave him the Courage!!??
Aka texbookie (all the same person) I loved Ron, and I despised the way he was treat¹
To your question: Ron died
He died on January 21, 2012 at his home in Wisconsin I am sure with his family of friends except, of course, his son David Misavige, and any other scientologits who were afraid to attend A dead SP.
Miscavige abused his father unloved despite Sr".commitment to David's almost, insatiable belief showing it through through the courses setting unreasonable goals. He disparaged own thr trumpet, while not remembering that his father was a professional trumpet player in his prescientology days. BTW it was Sr. that got his entire family into scientology
Check out Ian Rafalko an Ex-Scientologist who grew up in this Cult, who's father is Dr. Eric Berg a Scientologist.
You didn't fail Mike. You helped me heal by telling your story. I was only involved in Scientology for 6 months back in 1993. But it took me more than a decade to get over it.
*One is a moron to think a top Scientologist is a good person. It is one of the most corrupt corporations in human history, and its founder was a paranoid psychopath. FACT. Tom Cruise is a psychopath, and the truth WILL come out.*
@Robot 303 Thank God ❤ you are over this evil
Praise God that you got out of it and you seen the light
I will never watch a Tom Cruise movie again
I watched every episode of Scientology: The Aftermath. The stories were horrifying and heartbreaking. I gained so much respect for Mike and Leah, for exposing the lies and the abuse. Definitely buying the book!
I agee- I have so much admiration and respect for Mike, Leah, Ron, and everyone who has left and exposed the insanity and the barbaric nature of this cult.
It is a fantastic book.
it's days are numbered, i don't know how much real-estate they own, but any prospective (or current) Scientoologists with a smartphone can now watch these expose's of Scientoology on YT.
There are so many connections between a religion and a cult. I believe, in general, people want to believe …… in something, someone greater than themselves .
It becomes a debate about philosophies and the ways and means to achieve peace of mind . That is what makes religion so personally and privately sacred . We cannot deny the right of religious faith . But, in the long run , it seems we need to approach those beliefs with caution and protect ourselves from exploitation .
Buy leahs book and mikes book
Megyn keep shining the light on all evil entities in this nation. Mike, thank you for your bravery .
Megyn Kelly is one of the few people that can interview a subject over 90 minutes and I'll sit through the entire thing. Almost always has very interesting subjects, always good questions. In an era where professional standards are collapsing, it's nice to have a program with high standards that delivers. Having grown up in a cult like situation similar to what Mr. Rinder discusses, I really relate to the "mind prison". Unless you've experienced that mental hell, it's hard to truly understand the toll and effect it has on people.
How can they, literally, be holding people as prisoners and NOT be brought up on charges???
Mike Rinder is an excellent communicator and an awesome courageous man. The title of his book is SPOT ON‼️
love the book cover.
Mike Rinder is an encyclopedia, of facts. He saw it, lived it, believed it, left it. Exposed it.. but this cult still exists, so many families being brain washed in my opionin. Mike write, write ,write. Never let this cult, go into hiding. Expose, expose, and continue to expose, and protect the vulnerable. Thankyou Megan and Mike.
How do I join Scientology? Got to be better then this shit.
Absolutely agree he is fantastic especially after everything he has had to deal with.
@@DavidSmith-hz3jg just stop by one of their organizations and give them your credit card. Off you go. Tell us how you are doing!
Thanks in large part to actress Leah Remini several years back a 2 season series on A& E, so many horror stories were revealed. Thanking Mike Rinder for your story and together w/Leah interviewing former Scientologists..
Megyn, thanks so much for having passionate guests on your show. Congrats on 2 years💙
It’s was 3 seasons Scientology and the Aftermath
Leah Remini is so so courageous, and with Mike Rinder, and all the other former associates of that cruel CULT😢
@@PPLL463 By keeping it real let’s not forget the future people who were saved by Leah’s interviews also , from this psychoCULT.
@@PPLL463 🤡🙄
@@PPLL463 Kind of like Scientology $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Thank you MK for not being afraid to interview Mike, definitely buying his book.
The thing I have learnt down the Scientology rabbit hole is, that a very high percentage of followers of this cult, are just wanting to make the world a better place. You hold a very high position in my heart Mike, you got out and you have stood strong and proud against David Miscavige and the EVIL in Scientology.
My friend Michael Argue got involved in Scientology in Toronto. When he wrote a hit song, on which I performed, he handed over all the royalties to the local "org." He showed me his first check, which was for $8,000, and promptly signed it over to the Scientologists. I used to get calls from their "Celebrity Center," with attractive girls luring me down to the "org." When he split with that gang, they harassed him for years, constantly writing libels about him. Finally he disappeared from sight and stopped performing to get away from them. These people are evil; evil is who evil does.
I worked in the Toronto Org, truly nasty place!
What a shame your friend was harassed to the point he quit his music 🎶 😔
I was in the Sea Org for 25 years from 1973-98. I knew Mike a bit. Much respect for him leaving. I know how hard it is.
My cousin is still there - and he's another top - different last name from mine.
Wow, how did you abandon that organization?
My father started reading Dianetics in the 70s and threw the book in the trash after reading a quarter of it. He said what a bunch of crap. We're Christians so this kind of nonsense doesn't go far in our home.
I’m glad you are out and I wish you the best
If you want to tell your story, please contact me;I'm a writer and editor and I'm sure your story is fascinating! Glad you're out!
"It is easier to deceive people than to convince them that they have been deceived."
-- Mark Twain
Mike and Leah are putting everything on the line just to speak truth and you can see its painful but they keep trucking along and for that I hope they both have overflowing success 🙌
Me too, may they both be blessed exceedingly and abundantly!! 💖
Nonsenses.!
Hello my fans thanks for your comment 👏 how are you doing today 👋❤️
@@tomcruise5586 how are you doing Tom.
Are you still jumping on Oprah's crotch sorry I meant 🛋
@@mrhood3977 what is your name and where are you from?
God Bless Mike Rinder. I could listen to him all day. Thank you, Megyn for bringing him on.
Just what he needs…More religion 🤮
@@DeanandLisa1803 Scientology is not a Religion but a cult!
He is so very well spoken and eloquent.
czcams.com/video/YNvTB-EA16s/video.html
Mike Rinder has been waging a campaign of false reports and harassment against the Church of Scientology and its leadership, claiming his “authority” as a “former Church executive.”
Rinder’s narrative is not just twisted, it is a bald-faced lie. Mike Rinder was removed in the Church in total disgrace by the Church’s ecclesiastical leader, stripped of any authority and ultimately expelled for gross malfeasance-actual, hard-facts crime
Thank you so much for airing this.
I have come to know Mike over the years as he helped me when I reached out during my my own lifelong involvement and exit from the church in 2013/14. (My mother worked with Hubbard mid 1950's & I was born into the cult in 1963). I can truly say Mike is a man among men. The humongous risk to his life, liberty and freedom by escaping Scientology, exposing their abuses and helping others to do the same cannot be quantified in words. His resolve to keep on going, keep on supporting others who are finding their way out and keep on exposing the insanity and abuses of Scientology is beyond admirable.
Mike has always been there for me when I've needed him - supportive, interested, empathetic and always willing to help. Last year he came to my rescue once again when I reached out to him urgently needing help with a dire family situation. There was NO hesitation from Mike and because of his HUGE support (as well as many folks who are regulars on Mike's blog), we were able to pull off the virtually impossible. I am truly grateful and indebted to everyone who came to my aid and assistance thanks to Mike and his army of supporters. (If you happen to read this, Mike, - or anyone else who was involved in helping me at the time, I am so sorry for being "off the radar" for a while - I promise to send you all an update very soon - I have not forgotten).
I am so glad Mike has finally written his book which I cannot wait to read.
I hope your doing well now.
@@claremandalas2121 - thank you! Its a process and will take a while but we're getting there. 🙏
Hope that you are ok xo
Well done Mike Rinder! Great interview Megyn. Courageous and well spoken man!
What a brave man and you Megan for publicly showing this on tv,I so admire you and Mike was right your fearless and we need more people like you in this world.Nan 86👍👍👍👍👍🤗🤗🤗❤️❤️❤️🇬🇧❌❌❌
I worked with a nurse recently who worked at Hemet hospital and reported that MANY sea org members were brought to the ER with multiple injuries…basically beaten to a pulp. They ALWAYS had someone else with them and the story was always the same…the patient had “tripped “ but weirdly the injuries NEVER matched a trip and fall!!!
I always wondered about this - if
Docs and nurses are mandated reporters if they see suspicious cases why doesn’t the sheer volume of these cases with the lame excuse compared to the injuries not require reporting?
@@nancyorkeithm1518 .. because the few times the patients are alone with the Dr or nurse, and are outright asked if abuse is occurring, they vehemently deny it.
I think it’s slappy miscarriage
@@lisabayley1234RNthat's because their scared! So sad
They might want your information for their lawsuits.
I have deep respect for Mike Rinder.
Same ❤
@@tomcruise5586 Fake page. Reported.
My first encounter with these people was way back in 1975. Looking back, my spidey senses screamed out to me to get away from this scam ASAP...
😮😮😮
Mid 80s. I recall a place called “Dianetics” in my neighborhood.. and they had this large sign out front. “Come get a free personality test” My mom, even then knew that was Scientology and a cult. My bff was born and raised until the age of 4-5. Her dad was VP of marketing for the church .. and owned his own business and worked directly for LRH. She’s told me there are so many non descript building that Scientology owns. And uses to rope people in. Thankfully her dad saw the light and left the cult but not without his life and his family being completely destroyed. 30+ years later he has yet to recover and the cult has his entire life and business intertwined within Scientology. His business shut down… his marriage failed. He sunk into a deep depression.
Glad your spidey senses were correct..
At one point my friend actually dated Leah Remini. And I recall he and his sister attending these conferences where they weren’t allowed to leave for 12 hours to pee. As I reflect. Sounds like a Segway into Scientologist.
Thank you Mike and Megyn for exposing this to the world!! I pray for protection for all of you for all Ex Scientologists and interviewers!!! I have no desire to return to any of Tom Cruise’s movies, ever!!!
No one cares.
Great show. I really admire Mike Rinder's courage.
I have so much respect for Mike Rinder...the way he came forward and now explaining "fair game" harassment tactics. Great show💯
Jesus said to his disciples you received free so you should also give free.
Mike Rinder has been waging a campaign of false reports and harassment against the Church of Scientology and its leadership, claiming his “authority” as a “former Church executive.”
Rinder’s narrative is not just twisted, it is a bald-faced lie. Mike Rinder was removed in the Church in total disgrace by the Church’s ecclesiastical leader, stripped of any authority and ultimately expelled for gross malfeasance-actual, hard-facts crime
czcams.com/video/o6UUFHonmDw/video.html
Reminds me of the fair game cancel cult-ure we're living in.
@@kayapple1204 czcams.com/video/PvAWei0A3_I/video.html
LOVE Mike Rinder, What a great interview, going to get the book for sure.
Just love this guy.
I've listened to him so many times and he's just as real and down to earth as they come - and funny about it, at THAT!!!!!
What a lovely person he is, he still feels some level of guilt, as though he has failed but he is still brave enough to stay the course. How terrible that to literally save his own sanity he was made to relinquish his own family. It’s detestable what is done to these poor individuals raised in this exceedingly harmful and evil cult.
Im sorry for Mike. He has lost so much. He has been so courageous and brave.
Very Brave 🙏helping others
If you have your life you have everything
He may have lost at that time he made a decision, but as a fellow escapee, I can assure you he sees it more of a gain than a loss. Yes, he "lost" his children - but the church ensured they weren't ever really HIS children from the time of their birth - they belonged to the church. I understand how he feels about leaving them though - the pain cannot be underestimated. I lost my sister and many, many lifelong friends. But the silver lining is that as a result of leaving, he has also gained so much - his freedom, a beautiful new family, his human rights & dignity restored, no more abuse and brainwashing - and the opportunity to exercise his 1st amendment rights. Not only that, but he also gets to help others in their escape from the abusive cult too (he was VERY instrumental in my journey out - and I live on the other side of the world - so his influence is widespread).
I'm sorry for the people caught up in this mess. The only reason they perpetuate this is for the money! Also, they're not learning about real salvation in Christ!
@@rhondatallent2396 - Scientology claims to be irreligious (in other words, you can be any religion yet still be a Scientologist). The truth is of course, this is a lie. I know, because I had to sprout that lie when I was in. I've heard Scientologists outright lying that they are "Christians" impossible if you follow the Scientology dogma and belief. People who leave are often VERY hesitant to get involved in ANY other "religion" - they need time to find their way - the trauma from what they experienced remains an open wound for a LONG time. I escaped in 2013 and I am still not over it.
Took the first course in Boston 1972 but my intuition was stronger than the 'cans'.. They tried to find me for two years until my mother told them that I had died in a car accident.. Nothing but 'false guru syndrome' on steroids.. Great interview thank you.
Wow. What a story! Talk about scary.Thank goodness for them believing your mum. I have often wondered what ever happened to Mrs. Miscavage…..
Yeah, me too about the same year. The "personally test" and the cans. It was so bogus that I got up and walked out. Took years to get them to stop calling. They finally stopped when I made a very specific threat.
@@Oscarphone The experience was a huge life lesson that helped me dodge other bullets for years to come.. a silver lining I suppose.
@@Oscarphone do you know of ot 3 the wall of fire xenu
@@greghills4443 no?
❤ thank you Megyn for giving Mike a voice
I bought Mike's book and by page 23, I was horrified and I said to myself "How am I going to get through this book"? I hope God gets rid of this organization because it is an organization of evil. God Bless You, Mike. I hope that more and more people escape that tax-exempt prison and David Miscavige ends up getting his just desserts. I hope Tom Cruise gets out before he goes down with Miscavige because it's going to happen and it's going to be very bad.
Thank you Mr Rinder for exposing Scientology for what it really is, and putting it out there in his book as well. Thank you Megyn for having him on.
Excellent interview. Thank you Kelly and Mike for your courage and getting out the truth.
The stuff about the babies being left in the “nursery” and made grow up separated from their parents…just gets to me.
One thing that never gets mentioned is that they not only go after the “escapees” but also against regular people who criticize them publicly. I say this because a popular Italian CZcamsr I follow made a video about their practices (in particular she recounted stories of abuse that had appeared in the news and in the courts, therefore not imagined by her) and she later took it down. When asked repeatedly by the followers where that video was, she made a new video explaining that she had been threatened by Scientology (both the American hq and an Italian subsidiary), with innumerable letters sent by their attorneys. She consulted her own attorney who advised her to take down the video and avoid costly legal fees. Her public explanation was a way for her to shed even more light on what Scientology is all about.
I was never a member in any way, never criticized them and yet I believe that these tactics have been used on me for many years on behalf of loons who used the cult as an excuse to use fair-gaming for fun and profit, and “revenge”, and when this happens, the cult and its finders are 100% responsible.
It's a good interview. She lets him speak and complete thoughts. Too many interviews nowadays, the interviewer interrupts after 5-10 seconds
Love scientology
@michael what so good to love about a cult
@@michael-4k4000 QANON is Scientoly for conspiracy theorists
I have mad respect for her. Like I said in my above comment --- she might be a total slayer (i.e. :"cut the crap" journalism lol) but she has such passion, respect & enthusiasm for delivering us thoroughly educating & entertaining content. You go MegYn!!! 🤩
@@ep9421 f'real...
Megyn and Mike, thank you for shedding light on Scientology. Mind boggling but I can see the entrapments and how they work. This ought to be part of a curriculum for every high school student.
Hey, in the 1970’s it was Indian Guru’s and their cult communes. They infiltrated the university campuses and destroyed many young, promising, talented and intelligent university students with excellent futures , ALL from affluent families and convinced them to “ drop out” .
The Gurus encouraged their cult members to MILK their family resources to support their Guru….A Guru that had brainwashed them into derailing their lives…many NEVER recovered… while the Guru absconded with MILLIONS …
I ABSOLUTELY AGREE!
WARNING VULNERABLE CHILDREN OF THE EVILNESS THAT LURKS IN THESE RELIGIONS WOULD BE CRUCIAL!
TOP INTERVIEW WITH MEGAN & MIKE.
PEOPLE LIKE JOHN TRAVOLTA & TOM CRUISE ARE A DISGRACE AS THEY SIT BACK IN THEIR CELEBRITY STATUS, ELITIST POSITION ALLOWING SCIENTOLOGY TO TREAT PEOPLE INHUMANELY.
IT TOTALLY SHOWS THEIR TRUE CHARACTERS OF BEING NEFARIOUS THEMSELVES!
I WOULD NEVER AGAIN WATCH ANYTHING WITH THESE MONSTERS IN A MOVIE & I ABSOLUTELY LOVED JOHN TRAVOLTA!
I won't watch this I spent time at the church. Ron Hubbard was trying to do good for the world. Would he like what the church has become today ? No he wouldn't. I also dislike it but got to use the library for free and read and listen to his lectures.
@@briang.7206 And the FACT that Hubbard was a mad man and a con artist doesn’t matter to you?
Hello my fans thanks for your comment 👏 how are you doing today👏❤️
Feeling as if you have failed is, dare I say, ' normal ' for any empathic person. Don't feel too guilty. ❤
Wow, I live in Australia and didn't think Scientology was really a "thing" here! What a corrupt, criminal, abusive and sad "religion" (cult). Thanks Mike for exposing the truth. I love Megyn - such a quality show and honest journalism 🙏 and love that Sharen Oz clip 👌spot on 👍 Its easy to see why companies would want Megyn to promote their products - she exudes beauty, truth, intellect and integrity 👍👌 Thanks Megyn. Kindest regards, Mary from Australia 🙏
Scientology is a thing in Australia. They tried to recruit me in the 90's in Adelaide.
"The prison is a mind prison" wow..exactly the last 2 years. Great Interview! God Bless Mike for his courage.
Great interview! Mike you didn't fail- you SURVIVED. Survival=Success! Your courage and honesty is helping others. Your a Good Man!
Well said!
The “irony” of it all is that Mike Rinder is - an amazing human being - and he demonstrates how to be so forthcoming with depth, honesty and clarity.
So why did he physically attack his wife and damage her so badly she needed surgery and has permanent nerve damage in her right arm?
Wow. Wow. Wow.
I wasn't aware of all these things, about Scientology.
Thank you Mike Rinder and Megyn, for this eye-opening discussion.
Great interview Megyn, Thank you getting Mike on to your podcast. I was in the Sea Org and worked with Mike on several occasions. He is who and what he says he was - he is an honest commentator and he was honest when I knew him too. I found it ironic and laughable that part of the criticism of Mike by the "church" was that he lied a lot. Of course he did - he was the head of the Office of Special Affairs of the Church and lying was part of his job. OSA even had special drills to teach and train its staff to lie.
Kudos to Mike for writing the book and for appearing in this interview. I am lucky to be a friend of his.
Mike Rinder is a hero! I'm sorry he had to endure so much pain in his life to bring this to light. In the 80's on State Street in Santa Barbara, CA Scientologists were giving personality tests. They didn't say who they were, and I LOVED personality tests, so I went into some dark room and took a test. Afterward, they basically tried to sell me one of Ron L's books. I didn't want it, and felt it was a bait and switch, so they began brow beating me to buy this book. They kept lowering the price to get me to buy it, even saying "You can't even afford $2.50? You don't have that in your purse?" One thing about me; I don't like being pressured. I left, book free. But if I had been more impressionable, I would have been bullied into giving them my money. The sad part is, knowing what I do now, that the person trying hard sell me that book, was probably facing much more abuse than I, for not selling enough. Did they even eat that night? I hope this interview and Mike's book helps people to wake up to the truth!
Yes they really hard sell you I've had the same experience. I suggest you read some of Hubbard's books. I think he was trying to do good in this world but wouldn't like the church today. They worship money. I spent time and used the church library for free. All you have to do is walk in.
In the late 70s husband took a personality test, and the introductory communication course. He took sever TRs, then Bull Baiting. He always said he learned a lot from those. He quit when they pressured him. He is nothing if not cheap.
In 1974, when I was16 I took the personality test. They wanted me to take classes, they called my mom. She said no. It was the best thing she ever did for me.
On Hollywood Blvd there was a test spot for Scientology personality tests. I agreed to go inside even though I was starting to feel apprehensive as I walked inside the building. I was taken to a room by a man. After a short while I expressed that I wanted to leave because he was acting aggressively toward me while interogating me about personal information that I refused to answer. He would not let me leave. I got up and went toward the door. He blocked the door with his body. My panic level was rising. I demanded he open the door. He locked it. I started yelling at the top of my lungs hoping someone would open the door. I clearly remember literally thinking I might be abducted. After about 5 solid minutes of this he finally opened the door. That was the end of me ever considering anything to do with becoming involved with Scientology.
@@cheatednomore6430 They surrounded me one day demanding I make a donation.
@@cheatednomore6430 if it were me that man would not be breathing anymore
There are a lot of people easily persuaded and it breaks my heart what people will fall for and be ok with as a norm. I do not know how people can be so cruel to those easily persuaded when they all need more love then others who are not so easily persuaded. Love always Kelli
As an RN at a major hospital Scientology would bring the patient in a van and someone would stay with them the whole time for the planned procedure the patient was not allowed to give the wife or husbands name or contact information it was very creepy to interview these people prior to their procedure the person that came with them from Scientology wrote everything down that was communicated to the healthcare worker. Addendum: this is Kim Monroe not Rick ( I don’t know how to get my husbands name off and put mine on)
You're an RN and don't use punctuation when you write. ???? How did you pass any exams?
RN my foot! 😅
@@Mac-sb5lj Good catch :)
Do you work at Morton Plant 😂
I hope Mike and Leah keep speaking out. Great interview. It is so nice to hear people be able to talk without being interrupted incessantly for breaks, next guest etc. Love your work Megyn-it's excellent.
They are, their podcasts are due to restart soon.
I agree. Her shows are so enjoyable. Calm and insightful.
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@@tomcruise5586 good thanks Tommy, great movie that Top Gun Maverick, excellent work ! Scientology must have helped in giving you the tools to excel in this movie.
Just wonderful to listen to Mike. The topic is fascinatingly frightening, and probably because he’s talking about something so terrifying, to hear him speak so beautifully about it is incredible. That sentence was weird but you get my drift. Mike is so eloquent & courageous. Boom.
We have the same first name ;) what state are you in?
So sad, and I feel so sorry for all these people who have been brainwashed into this cult.
How in the hell does this institution not get shut down???
Mike's book - A Billion Years is amazing. He has gone through so much heartbreak but still stays strong, thanks for being honest Mike - and Leah
I was married to one for 10 years. Both he and the organization made my life a crazy hell. I realized early on that they were not good and refused to become a member, but my ex husband bought into the whole thing hook, line and sinker. Horrible experience.
I'm surprised he wasn't forced to leave you if you didn't become a member, would assume they would be worried you would corrupt him or something.
@@nkxseal8398 they did try to do that and we eventually did permanently separate, not solely bc of them, but they were a major player in the dissolution of our relationship.
Gosh Dee, that's along time to manage to resist.
Well done !
I bet he was constantly harped at to get you involved until they decided you were "a bad influence".
I do hope you've reached the point now where some of it feels almost laughable.
@@flowerjpotter1629 yes, they did harp on him constantly about me not joining and then they said I was a suppressive influence and told him to leave the marriage. We hung on for a few more years but his behavior towards me became very negative and I realized that his character was not good anyway, brainwashed or not. He was like their perfect recruit in so many ways. Oh well.
Gotta box in the clinch quicker
I was labeled a suppressive when I got fired from an org for not sleeping with the boss. The other workers were so terrified to be seen around me that it gave me nightmares for years.
Congradulations on escaping the scientology cult, and thank you💞for saving others from the same. God bless you all. 🙏😇❣️🕊️
Rinder has been something of an unsung hero for years. He's doing a great service. I wish the MSM would amplify his voice and grant him a much larger platform.
It's very possible that their allocation of celebrity visits might diminish if they did any "amplification".
😆 the MSM = Scientology
For Benjamin’s mother and sister, their estranged husband and father had crossed the line. Along with Mike Rinder’s brother and several long-term family friends and former associates of Rinder, they set out to Clearwater to have words with him. Rinder’s response was to violently assault Cathy. He seized the diminutive, 5′ 3″ woman in a vice grip that gouged her right arm, wrenched her shoulder, dislocated her collarbone and fractured another bone. The resulting nerve damage and mobility loss in Cathy’s right arm impaired her for life.
@@korvgubben274 😂🤣 Your BS would’ve probably worked in the past. She has mobility loss and nerve damage? Give me a break. DV should be prosecuted 100% of the time, and the perpetrators should be jailed, however the same thing should happen to the people who lie and try to destroy the lives of the innocent. That would be Rinder’s ex-wife, his daughter, and the ‘church’ of Scientology. I happened to watch the documentary that was being made when Mike Rinder was verbally assaulted by his ex-wife, his son and members of Scientology. John Sweeney, from the BBC recorded the whole thing. And the police were called and saw the red spot on her arm, because they wouldn’t move to let them leave, so she got jostled around, not “assaulted.” The police didn’t believe the ex-wife, or any of the Scientologists… and she only had a red spot on her arm. You people are delusional. Who would want to join your organization, knowing you have to pay to get to different levels of info, and then find out we were thrown into volcanoes by an alien, anyway? And if you want to leave, you get harassment, and your own family disconnects from you… no thanks!
I can’t believe anybody outside of Scientology thinks that Tom Cruise is an important man...
I agree and I feel the same way about all religious leaders and their “flocks” including the Pope and Catholics.
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Great interview thank you Mike for your Bravery
I once went to a scientology meeting it was in a house out of curiosity and I am glad I never went back. 😎🙏💜🕊
Him and Leah Remini absolute killed it on their A&E show and am finishing it up. Can't wait to read his book. Love Mike Rinder, very humble and willingness to own up to what he did in the name of Scientology. Bummer he's not doing a book tour, would love to meet the guy.
I don't understand how they could have been subjected to such inhumane torturous conditions and nothing was done to David M. at a legal level.
Wow, that just blows my mind that Elizabeth Moss was born and raised into Scientology and then starred in the Handmaid‘s Tale. I am floored! You would think it would make her get out of such a system.
You do know that show is fiction, right?
This interview was so fascinating and Mike Rinder is captivating. Megyn is great at interviews. She asks excellent questions and really comes prepared. She also allows her guests to answer. The hour and a half interview flew by and I find Mike to be honest and he's been through much heartbreak. I'm glad he's speaking his truth and helping other's now. I can't wait to read his book!!
I get what you're saying and agree. I am glad he's coming forward and speaking THE truth about this, so we can all understand
As a Christian I knew Scientology was evil, but until I watched this show I did not understand how truly terrifying Scientology is.
They’re both evil and dumb and sucker in easily brainwashed people.
Don’t believe everything you hear or read because this is what puts people into fear
Scientology is a religion and their are Christian’s who are also studying Scientology so not so evil depends on point of veiw
@@whollymary7406 Scientology is a cult.
@@whollymary7406 people need to be afraid of Scientology. It's an evil cult.
I found the Documentary with Rinder and Leah fascinating and saddened from the physcological aspect of how people can become so controlled. We've seen this throughout our history as well, some to not mention. Kuddos for their bravery to speak out and shed light on this cult.
Shocking that is still going on today . Truly fascinating how these cults work I can't wait for that Miscavige to get his comeuppance.
Great interview with Mike Rinder ... a real classy & brave guy! Bravo to Megyn Kelly & her crew for interviewing Mike!!! Please have him back again ... we want to hear more from Mike Rinder!
Check CZcams for many former members who have channels that speak out on their personal experiences in TCS. Mike Rinder just launched his own channel today👍🏼‼️
This is such an important interview. Thank you Megyn.
Good interview but I did not care for her dig on democrats. Come on. This was about a scientology..stop the politic crap digs
Oh come on , it was funny!
I love to hear Mike speak. He is damaged but not broken and needs to be protected from these lunatics and supported by us all as should Ms. Leah Remini.
Meghan, I love your programs. Thank you for doing them. You and your guests are indeed making a difference. Bless this man for sharing the truth and his experience. We can pray for those caught in the lies of this belief system. God's light will lead them out.
I'm so glad you brought Mike Rinder on. Great show! I watched quite a bit about him prior to this and also the aftermath show with Leah remini Again this was a fantastic interview mike is an incredible individual and my heart really goes out to him for everything he suffered through with the crazy antics of Scientology
I think I would call them mental,emotional physical abuses of this insane cult! I don’t want my families taxes to help pay for them either 😢
I admire you for speaking out, and being so brave to make changes in your life, for you and family💙
Absolutely love it when Megyn swears😮 now and then in some of her videos.
She's human after all 😊
Oh, she's human. I guess that excuses her from being accurate, or even close to it. This is just high end tabloid trash.
“If they aren't getting something good from it. It wouldn't exist.” Great statement.
Love Mike Rinder! So happy to see him on the show today. Can’t wait to read his book.
Happy Show Anniversary Megyn!
Best of luck to you, Megyn. From Venezuela, sending you a big hug and thanks for your magnificent programs!!!
I'm watching from Clearwater because there's a hurricane raging and there's nothing else to do but this is the town built by the Church of Scientology.
I thought the sociologists just bought the town.
This was fascinating. He must be applauded for getting out and bringing so much to light with this organization.
Great interview. Love Mike Rinder and Leah Remini for how they have spoken out and helped people.
"If everything about Scientology was bad, no one would be in it". Bingo. So true.
I was in a "high demand religion" yes, it could fit the definition of a cult, for almost 20 years. (19-39).
Maybe the saddest part about leaving, is that you have to leave all the good aspects of the organization to leave the bad.
The good and bad is so deeply bonded together.
You can't leave part.
You leave it all.
The same can be said exactly for relationships with pathological narcissists. You must get out completely and never have contact again if at all possible. Even if it's your mother...your child...certainly, a spouse. You will not heal until the rift is complete. Then you can begin the lifelong task of healing and learning the joys of living free.
Called brain washing people. People want to believe and belong so badly that they are willing to give up there own autonomy.
How on earth are they called a church... Just for tax purposes. I watched Leah and Mike's interviews, chilling cult. Very brave. Thank God they left to be able to explain such evil. Whatever happened to honesty and truth. I read Leah's book so good. Will now read Mike's. Thank you Megyn and Mike, so unreal.
The lengths they went through to get that tax exemption is truly disturbing.
Cannot wait to read your book Mike .STOP tax deferred what the hell ???
We should all contact the IRS, and our Congresspersons and ask that they reevaluate the tax exempt status. It doesn’t hurt; it might help.
It's actually more of a cult.
@@ethical13 it really is ksw
Mike Rinder is a good dude, I wish him all the best.
A true spiritual tradition has love and acceptance at it's center. Hard to understand how all the former Scientologists did not see this. The desire to have power-money, career, etc has such
a pull in our society. onward...
So happy to see Mike in Megyn’s show! I watched every epidsode of the aftermath and listened to Mike and Leah’s podcast. So glad to see him on this show.
I watched Mike and Leah in every episode. They were awesome!! And so frank but caring. It's a Shame he lost his family 😔
Thank you for bringing Mike Rinder on. He is a hero. I was in Scientology for roughly 10 years, though the last five or so had more and more serious doubts. I was not in the Sea Org, but had several friends who were.
When I was still a Scientogist who trusted L. Ron Hubbard, I worried that he would die and a sociopath (called "SP" in Scientology) would rise to take his place. Sociopaths do tend to rise to positions of power, and I had no reason to think Scientology would be immune to that. From what I've seen and heard of David Miscavige, I think my concern about a sociopath taking over Scientology came true.
Since those days I've long since discarded 90% of Scientology anyway. But I think Scientology is being led by an "SP," named David Miscavige.
You still sound brainwashed :(
Doesn't SP actually mean " suppressed person" to Scientology? I agree there are many sociopaths in the leadership.
I read Leah Reminis book and I will likely read Mike Rinders too! It’s never too late to speak out against an abusive cult.
That's right. It's never too late to do the right thing. There is no rewind button. Just go forward with the time and energy you have now and do the right thing.
I didn’t know he had a book. Gonna get it. I adore and appreciate Leah’ courageous voice and using her platform and popularity as a household name .. to bravely speak out but I do love their team work since I think their experiences are vastly different. So if I had to pick, as I’ll read both..I’d be more inclined to buy his book first. The celebrities, I feel were sheltered from the horrid abuse .. that the celebrities did not. They were PR for the “church” .. but again I adore rite amazing pair. They bring so much value to speaking and giving voices to those that never had one.
Mike is courageous. We need more people like him. Megyn, you are a role model never afraid to weigh in and share your opinion. Love you!
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I absolutely loved this interview! Very well done.
Megan I admire you so much, for your strength, your courage, your intelligence, your quick wit, your common sense, and your dedication to good versus evil . Thank you. I am praying for you and I love you sister!!
I am really looking forward to reading Mike's book. Still shocking how this is allowed to continue, proud of Mike's resolve and courage. Well done mate.
Well done Mike. Thank you for exposing them and best wishes for you. You deserve all the goodness in the world after what you’ve been through.
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Thank you for continuing to spread your message!!!
I never realized what an awesome interviewer you are Meg, in this forum (unhinged as well). AND a great listener. Nicely done.
Fantastic interview! I so admire Mike Render and I wish him all the best!!!
Mike Rinder is the most bravest, courageous, and loving man and I'm so happy he was able to get out and now help others who wants to leave the cult *scientology with his foundation call scientology aftermath 💙