Hill Start Assist and Brake Hold Explained
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- čas přidán 8. 07. 2020
- What is hill start assist and brake hold? how do they work? I'll explain everything in this video.
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Hill start assist is a great feature. The first car I've driven is a '76 Volkswagen Brasilia and man, I tell you back then, I would always sweat profusely whenever traffic stops on an incline. 😅
that car looks cool
wow im having a nostalgic moments! my dad had a 76 Brasilia when I was young boy! too bad he let his friend borrowed it and got into a bad accident and broke the chassis
'73 Datsun 510 with worn syncros for me. That car perfected my clutch technique, including almost mandatory rev matching and double clutching! Hill assist would be nice, but don't miss it on the AP1 S2000 thanks to that 'trainer'.
You have no idea how to drive then
i have a civic si ep3. dang I was curious about the new gens, then i saw this. This is a huge help for those who are scared going on a traffic uphill
you have no idea how much this video calmed my nerves. iv been learning manual on a crappy 2006 mazda and I'm terrified of rolling back. I'm waiting for my 2023 civic SI to be delivered and I'm so excited to not have to worry about it!
I learned to drive a manual when I bought one and drove it off the lot. Takes a little practice but it’s not hard
Well done you! Such an easy explanation and make me understand all! 😊😊
Found this before I got my '24 Integra Type S. Great feature especially for me, this is my first manual car ever (I'm 32yo). I got a lot of practice in prior on some older Civic's and even a super old Ford Ranger truck in a parking lot. Still need more reps and practice but this alleviated my one fear about getting a manual.
I’m not balling like you w the Type S, but I just got a Civic Sport Manual as my first and it’s features give me some peace of mind
@calebbush6500 the Ford Ranger I got reps in is about 25 years old, so it has none of the creature comforts of a modern sedan with a 6 speed. The clutch was heavy feeling. The bite point felt like 0.25" away from a full release. I stalled that thing out so many times getting used to it but I'm glad I got that experience because any good modern manual is SO much easier and accessible.
I had heard trucks with a manual were also way different than a similar aged car, and it was. I still have some levels of anxiety driving the integra even a month later. It's a lot better than when I got it home though.
I learned to drive stick on an 82 Civic. I don't think I ever used the handbrake while on a hill. It tended to have a fairly fast idle so I think that helped make hill starts easier. A few years ago, I had a Corolla and found it much more difficult start on a hill. Without using the handbrake it would roll too much.
This week I was out with my son and we were test driving a newer Civic that had an electric parking brake. I was worried how to start on hills so I avoided them. Thanks for sharing how this works.
Same here. I learned to drive a manual on a 1998 Civic. That one had a manual parking brake. With these new electric parking brakes, I thought I might need to use heel-toe to start on a hill in heavy traffic. After watching this video, I'm amazed at how seamless hill assist is. It just works.
Finally. Before, I really thought that the "Brake Hold" holds the brake when you're uphill and will still hold the brake even if you took your foot off the brakes, and will only deactivate when you step on the gas. Thanks to you sir.
It's a 2 second hold on my Citroen.
@@ASMR-XI-ZUIAre you confusing what hill assist and brake/auto hold are? Hill assist lasts a few seconds to allow you time to switch pedals. Brake/Auto hold should last as long as you need it to be
Great video! I'm new to driving manual and was looking for a way to get up my parking garage. I have to stop on an incline and wait for a gate to open, then pray I don't stall or roll back with people behind me.
I like what you said about not using rh brake hold, I feel the same way, I usually use it when I’m in a drive thru lol 😂
Would love to see this from the pedal perspective!
Thanks for the hill start assist explanation. But I think you’re missing the boat with Brake Hold. Your explanation is great. My favorite use of Brake Hold is when I have to sit in lines (pharmacy, drive-through, car wash, bank, etc.). I always use it in those situations. So much so, that when I’m checking out new vehicles, I always look for it. I don’t use it when sitting at traffic lights, usually. P.S. By NEW, I mean a new Honda!
😂😂me too! Spot on!
Very innovative invention and it really comes in handy. I normally do half clutch on a steep hill or put gear on neutral and hit the breaks uphill but with this technology it will be much easier and convenient. #SAVE THE MANUALS
I bought a, then new, 2020 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland and it has a button I have to turn on to enable Hillside Assist. Even says so in the manual.
Thanks for this !!! . I drive an automatic car with bill assist & creep function . But all of sudden I have terrible anxiety about hill starts . It’s really affecting my driving and I need it for my new job ! .
It’s really hilly ! I’m an experienced driver & this fear has come out of nowhere! Help!
I needed this for my 1972 Super Beetle in San Francisco.
Steep hills on the bay are no joke lol
My 2006 Sienna was doing the hill start assist on its own. But after changing the front tires and taking it into used car inspection it no longer holds on a hill when I take my foot off the brake. It gives me so much anxiety and I do not know how to fix it. Does anyone know how I can fix this on a 2006 Toyota Sienna? Is there a button I can push? Is there something I can ask the mechanic to tighten so it doesn’t roll back?
Thanks for the very informative video! Quick question if I may - with hill start assist, do you still have to rev to higher rpms than you would on a flat surface to get going?
Yes you do
@@ThePropperWay Thank you :)
@@ThePropperWay Thank you!
Quick question.. a year ago i learned to drive manual in a 06 mazda6, i spent maybe a week or two and got the hang of it pretty quickly and kinda decent with moving the car at a dead stop and thinking about a 2017+ si. I would most likely be very rusty, do you recommend the civic as a good refresher and easier car to continue learning and able to be used as a daily?
TehVortexx I learned to drive a manual when I picked up my civic si from the dealership. It’s a great car to learn on and it is very forgiving.
ThePropperWay that’s reassuring lol. Thank you
Break hold is so good for your transmission!! It is perfect for those long lights and long lines at fast food drive-through joints.
Yeah cause the torque converter doesn't do anything to save the transmission, lol
I really appreciate you showing this. I'm looking into buying a 2020 Civic si coupe. Would you recommend the coupe or sedan version of the car? Thanks
Jonathan I like the sedan version because I just find it more practical. Easier to put things in the back seat and so much easier on those occasions where people need to sit in the back
@@ThePropperWay Thanks for the reply. Im still not sure, probably going to go to the dealership to test both
Jonathan let me know what you think. Coupe definitely looks cooler but the sedan was more practical so I went with that
i have the sedan and i just think it's more practical. i think the coupe looks cooler, and from what i've seen they won't be making a coupe civic in 2021, or an Si at all for that matter. www.autoblog.com/2020/07/17/2021-honda-civic-info-dump/
If you use brake hold on a hill and you release the brake and clutch to hold you are you able to just give it gas when your ready to go or do you need to use the clutch again?
Not sure what you mean by that. Brake hold just makes it seem like you are holding the brake when you aren’t actually holding it. Everything else is the same. If you release the clutch in gear you will stall the engine when stopped.
Back in the days we used to have a thing called hand brake, thats our hill start assist, also back in the day if you drove a manual, you should know how to equalize clutch and gas pedal pressure to hold your car on a hill, while slowly releasing your hand brakes.
Truth be told, car drivers nowadays have it easier, and everything that their coming out with, feature-wise with new cars, makes it so that it is dumb proof, cars nowadays are no longer that engaging to drive and no longer fun, unlike cars from the 80's and early 90's.
Now you've got brake hold, hill statt assist, automatic parking, e brakes. Back then we just have a hand brake, and that was ton's more fun, you can do a controlled 360 "j turn" on that thing. You can do a 180 reverse switch direction.
On a uphill, does it's better to use Brake Hold or just with the Hill Start would be fine? Does an used 2018 Civic Type R FK8 have both features?
i was thinking the same thing, is it okay to use brake hold if you are on a significant incline at a stop sign?
Juanjose Lam hill start is automatic, brake hold you turn on and off. Doesn’t matter which you use. I’m not sure if the type r has it or not.
Can you do another video that shows your pedals? This video shows how it works but I think a lot of people would like to know how it works from a user perspective.
is the hill start on the 2018 model? idk if I have it cause I barely have hills in my area
You do have it. My 2018 si had it
Discovered my civic had hill start assist the other day, never realised it for 2 years lol.
Reason I noticed was it actually held me back a bit and I needed to give more revs than I expected to get it move off because the brake was holding on ...
Good feature though.
I’ve stalled because of it lol I’m like wtf is going on
@@Ruvalc yeah me too, I can see how it night be good for a new driver but i really dont need it i do a better job if i had complete control of the car.
My friends have newer cars and they have so many driving aids it's crazy,
Lane assist , auto braking , adaptive cruise control, auto parking.
I remember when power steering was a novelty lol, I hated it because I couldn't feel what the wheels were doing.
Brake hold question: If I have an automatic transmission and in stop and go traffic. I turn on the brake hold and the car will hold it stopped until I step on the gas? Or do I have turn it on and off every time I stop and go?
Usually brake hold is for manuals since it is harder to get moving on a hill. but to answer your question you can leave it on and when you come to a stop it will hold the brake until you apply gas. no need to turn it on and off everytime you stop and go. everytime you come to a complete stop it will activate as long as it is still on.
@@keyboard5494 I finally used it on my wife's CR-V. They seem to hold the brake, but once you press the accelerator they release allowing you to move again. It does not release the brake before you step on the accelerator. I'm sure it will cause premature wear on your pads but I couldn't say how much. Seeing how people drive around here I doubt they are concerned too much with brake jobs or engine wear. They seem to be either standing the gas and standing on the brakes wherever they go.
Hey so how does it do going up long hills at high speeds? I have an 06 and it sounds like the motor is gonna blow up every time it goes up the hills my question is does it struggle?
Gusebewavy not even close. As long as you’re in the right gear it loves hills. Have no issue starting on hills as well.
Don't be afraid to let that engine loose. If you need the power, it's all in the high-end.
does brake hold turn on the brake lights? or does it leave them off?
Paul Hanna keeps them on
would you recommend using brake hold on an uphill start?
If you are on a hill the car will automatically do a hill start assist and hold the brake for a few seconds. I really only use brake hood when I am at a red light or in traffic and don’t feel like holding the brake while stopped
Hello! I have a question. Say you completely stop on the hill, and Hill Assist kicks in, and cluch in, as well as holding the brake. Does releasing clutch deactivate HA? Or only stepping on the gas will deactivate it? cuz I guess some people are used to the operation of releasing clutch first then moving from brake to gas.
I havent tried releasing the clutch without giving it gas on a hill since it will stall the engine. when you let go of the brake hill start assist will hold the brake for a few more seconds to get going and stop you from rolling backwards. release the brake first then release the clutch as you press the gas pedal.
@@ThePropperWay I see. Thanks a lot. By the way, so BH actually can do the job of HA, can't it? it just needs driver to manually turn it on (both on flat and hill), right
Song Chai from experience, hill-start assist won’t activate on slight inclines. If you want to be certain the car will hold itself on any type of hill, then it’s best to use the brake-hold, especially if you’re pulling away from being parallel parked on a hill in between two cars with very little room to work with.
@@Sheikamaru13 Thanks. I got it. Also, the manual says that HA might not be able to hold the car on a very steep hill, is that another case that BH or parking brake should be applied to keep it from rolling back?
Song Chai Yes that’s right, that’s one of the footnotes on the hill-start system. Electronic parking brake is definitely useful in those situations, and I believe it automatically disengages as well when you depress the accelerator pedal, which is convenient...though I really wish these cars still had the manual handbrakes.
I know this is way late but do you know if the CTR has hill start assist?
It better lol
do u have any videos on how to drive a manual
I do. I have a few on a playlist on my channel.
So, I should always have brake hold whenever I am in a uphill?
Could but hill assist gives u 3 seconds
I have 15 civic si so pretty much on the steep hills I have to use a ebrake cuz I don’t have the brake button
The 15 civic si I believe has hill start assist
@@ThePropperWay I was asking about the ebrake button you have I think that’s only on the 10 gen civics no more hand brake?
@@RayGunz101 no the 10th and 11th gen have the buttons now. No more hand brake lever
Especially when you have a electric handbrake, this is a need.
I drove a old Toyota Camry I think it was a 2004 or 2006 and it did not have hill assist. It's creepy.
Without hill start assist you can still use a handbrake start, but I imagine that’s more difficult with an electronic parking brake
No cause as soon as you hit the gas the electric brake turns off by itself
@@jdomsousa5959 this is precisely what I was curious about, thank you
Facts
@@jdomsousa5959 still burning the parking break though
I’m so happy to hear this because I literally live on a hill and just bought a Type R. Coming from a 2011 Golf with a standard handbrake I was super worried about if it would be hard to adjust to.
Hill hold is great but I really really want a real hand brake. Thinking of buying an Si but this may be the single biggest reason not to.
Why do you need a handbrake? The car is front wheel drive. You won’t be drifting it
@@ThePropperWay I prefer to have a physical link that controls the brake when doing a hill start. I know the software is smarter than me, but I want to feel the car moving forward as I gradually release the hand brake.
Can hill assist stay active with ignition off?
No it does not. But the parking brake will hold you on a hill
What’s the difference between hill start assist and using handbrake?
Hill start assist is automatic. If you stop on a hill and release the brake it will keep holding the break for another few seconds. Handbrake you have todo. Hill start assist is automatic.
@@ThePropperWay last question. if I’m on a hill, can I use just the hand brake to stay stopped or do I need to do both foot brake and hand brake to remain stopped? Thanks
@@giuseppexxx stopped at a light or stopped to park?
@@ThePropperWay stopped at light/traffic
@@giuseppexxx I would just hold the brake pedal. When you release the brake, hill start assist will hold the car to get moving. If you don’t feel like doing either you can also turn on brake hold and once you come to a stop brake hold will hold the brakes until you get moving again
What car is that?
2020 Honda Civic si
This dont feel like 90s anymore not even startrek. #mayn
Wow manuals cars are like this nowadays?
Yes they are
So you have to keep your foot on the brake while you're on a hill then quickly hit the gas before it rolls back? That sounds way more tiring and scary than just popping the handbrake.
Nope nope. I got a Citroen n it will hold for 2 seconds. It's really handy.
You must be a noob. Having hill assist is quicker than using the handbrake. Constant use of the handbrake on hill starts can wear out the handbrake cable.
Most new cars use electric parking brakes so you can't pop it. You have to hit the button and then it takes a second or two for it to release.
No.If you are good with a manual you don't need the hill start.Should have to turn it on not the default.It is the most annoying thing right next to the collision avoidance and the adaptive cruise.
If you drive manual somewhere hill in China，maybe you gonna change ur mind definitely.It's not that easy hill start when you drive on Steep Descent Ahead.
Wait why do you need to give it clutch?
the clutch engages and disengages the engine. if you stop and the car is in gear without the clutch being pressed then the engine will stop. wheels stop+engine stop if the clutch isn't pressed.
So basically you’ll stall
But you did move , the car went bk slightly before the second move
I thought Hill Start Assist was the car not speeding up past a gear as I started to go down a hill XD hence wasting gas and momentum. Ill turn it back on when I get back in the car XD
There is no way to turn on and off hill start assist so not sure what you mean by that.
It's called being the driver lol
Hill assist is a greate feature but let me tell you, if you cant do without hill assist on an incline you cant really drive...
I can’t stand the hill assistance. Trying to figure out how the heckin I can disable it 😫
It is automatic. It can not be disabled. Why would you want to disable it?
You don't want to use those features too much if you do get in a stick that does not have very cold and the other feature you will grow back into a car possibly without realizing it and hit the person not like you would want to without knowing it can't at least you know what you're talking about not like some people on CZcams sound like a nice feature but you do want to know how to drive a stick without it too in case you don't have it on your next vehicle if they make a stick when you are ready to kick in another vehicle hopefully they will Honda is about the only car I would buy any stick in anymore it looks like the only car I would buy because it does not have a turbo and insurance is cheap and reliable
For the hill start you can not turn it off. Brake hold is the only thing you can turn on and off.
😂He really said "synchro's weren't even a thing back then when talking about transmissions from the 1970's and 80's😂.IDK where you got your info from but they were in the majority of manual transmissions in cars from the USA in the 1950's(70~years ago, not 40).
driver in the 70 got better skill then ,, nice video man
What? What’s the driver in the 70?
ThePropperWay you say cars of today has more technology in place ,, that is why i said the drivers in the 70’s are more skills
@@ishtubol2292 ohhhhh that makes sense.
Im lucky my dad thought me how to heel toe then
It’s called hill holder and has been around for decades
I used to drive a tractor trailer with no hill assist And a nine speed unsynchronized transmission. Personally I can’t stand it in my Honda in fact I didn’t even know it came with it When I found out I could not turn it off I was kind of pissed. If driven correctly there is zero need for it.
If you know how to drive manual starting on a hill is simple. No need to give it any more gas then you normally do. This feature going up would be good for first timers but after a month not as useful
Still comes in handy so you don’t have to think about rolling back into someone on a hill. Just gives a piece of mind and makes it easier to daily drive a manual.
Most people don't know the real reason why cars have this: auto start stop. If you have an auto and you let go of the brake, mash the gas, and the engine fails to start (defective starter motor, bad battery), the car will roll back and cause an accident. Likewise if you have a manual and you fail to notice the car didn't restart when you shift into gear, the same will happen.
You simply release to the friction point of clutch then it starts moving. You need to be better at driving
Just explaining it…. Car does hill start assist automatically. No way to turn it off.
Hill start assist is for people who don’t know how to drive a manual transmission. Buy an automatic if you’re scared
Do I need it? No
Can it be turned off? No
Am I glad the car has it? You bet
@@ThePropperWay I shouldn’t have a feature on my truck that decides when it’s going to apply the brake. It should be an option.
The Electronical Parking Brake Feature must be Activated but you don't Release it by Yourself.
It's automatic.
Because you don’t know how to release clutch and hit how much gas. Anyway. It’s hard to control.
Not true. The second you take your foot off the brake without brake hold you will roll backward slightly. There’s always people who pull up too close to you on a hill and you do not want to hit them.
@@ThePropperWay I understand. I think no people will control gas and clutch on the big hill with the car no back sliding. When they don’t use brake hold or mechanical hand brake.
Or maybe just practice on hills , and you won’t need hill assist . I feel like this feature is for people that’s are just lazy
Car does it automatically. Can’t turn it on and off so don’t really have a choice. Most new cars that are manual all have it.
What civic is that? Si?
Yes, that is an Si. I don't have the car anymore.