Need For Speed Carbon: Rubberbanding The AI (HD)

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  • čas přidán 25. 04. 2012
  • ***The point of this video is to simulate the way an AI vehicle would maneuver when it is "catching-up." This was performed by using a super handling/acceleration modification.
    Rubber Band AI is a hidden feature in racing games that allows computer-controlled players to catch up no matter how far back they are, artificially and unfairly 'balancing' gameplay. If you have ever played a racing game and thought you were so far ahead that none of the CPU players could possibly catch you, only to have them make up a fifteen-second gap in three seconds, then you have experienced Rubber Band AI. The term refers to the occurrence of AI-controlled racers suddenly accelerating faster than the character should be able to go, in order to close the distance between them and the player, as if a rubber band connected them and was pulling them back.
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Komentáře • 439

  • @still_guns
    @still_guns Před 10 lety +1783

    So THATS what 'Catch-Up On/Off' means in the race options

    • @Busher50
      @Busher50 Před 4 lety +322

      Yeah lmao big clue
      Mind you. Turning it off makes it hard when you're behind

    • @andrevinicius1360
      @andrevinicius1360 Před 4 lety +29

      @@Busher50 Nice...

    • @CalmaxFilm
      @CalmaxFilm Před 4 lety +16

      Which game have this option ?

    • @alexaabbi3388
      @alexaabbi3388 Před 4 lety +96

      @@CalmaxFilm NFS U2, MW,Carbon. That's all ik of at least

    • @CalmaxFilm
      @CalmaxFilm Před 4 lety +34

      @@alexaabbi3388 no you can't in mW

  • @ornix5761
    @ornix5761 Před 2 lety +409

    0:53 nobody talks how good this part looks

  • @HyakuJuu01300
    @HyakuJuu01300 Před 7 lety +1193

    So THAT's what it feels like. I swear to god catch-up is the most stupid feature race games have.

    • @yourfreewindows10upgradeis8
      @yourfreewindows10upgradeis8 Před 3 lety +80

      It feels unrealistic

    • @pulstr_12
      @pulstr_12 Před 3 lety +29

      @@yourfreewindows10upgradeis8 Imagine replying to a 4 years old comment

    • @yourfreewindows10upgradeis8
      @yourfreewindows10upgradeis8 Před 3 lety +157

      @@pulstr_12 I hear voices inside my head, they are getting louder and louder second by second tick tack tick tack tick tack time is precious if only you know how expensive are the sunsets you pass sleeping wake up wake up wake up

    • @pulstr_12
      @pulstr_12 Před 3 lety +13

      @@yourfreewindows10upgradeis8 you ok bro?

    • @chaihleeb220
      @chaihleeb220 Před 3 lety +12

      @@yourfreewindows10upgradeis8 wat de fook

  • @lyonvensa
    @lyonvensa Před 3 lety +98

    That one time AI rubberband works in your favor is when they went so fast that they plunge off the canyon when you overtake them.

    • @dbclass4075
      @dbclass4075 Před rokem +5

      Rarely, before even overtaking them.

  • @aleksajovanovic5849
    @aleksajovanovic5849 Před 2 lety +83

    This is, hands down, the best example of giving someone a taste of their own medicine

  • @dukenukeman
    @dukenukeman Před 7 lety +899

    i swear this demonstration is exactly how the AI drives when they are behind you
    great video! love the 350Z

    • @yusifh2504
      @yusifh2504 Před 7 lety +91

      exactly. in nfsmw (2005) during boss racing, Izzy was almost 1 km behind me, then I saw on the map she comes like crazy and her speed was like 300 km/h in 90 degree turn.

    • @HyakuJuu01300
      @HyakuJuu01300 Před 7 lety +77

      Yeah, AI and especially the bosses don't give a fuck about physics when they're behind. Earl shoots through the whole map when you have the lead for example...

    • @zendraw3468
      @zendraw3468 Před 3 lety +15

      someone shuld make a camlock on AI that is behind

    • @kylehyde215CA
      @kylehyde215CA Před 3 lety +6

      @@zendraw3468 for real. I've seen them drive through the map just to catch up.

    • @lawabidingcivs
      @lawabidingcivs Před 2 lety

      @@yusifh2504 Izzy : Wanna see some 90's dude?

  • @SkyWKing
    @SkyWKing Před 9 lety +578

    In Carbon they went overboard with the catch-up: the AI won't stop the superspeed/handling behavior after they overtake you. It basically means you have to stay in No.1 from the very beginning of the race. In any Tier 3 race if you see an AI Corvette Z06 going full nitro from the beginning you are screwd since that car has OP acceleration which, combined with superhandling, could not be overtaken by any means. That's also why Darius is so hard to beat without using the Corvette instant overtake trick (ironically even driven by a player the Corvette is just as fast as a rubber banding AI).

    • @CynicalGamingBlogTerry309
      @CynicalGamingBlogTerry309 Před 9 lety +107

      SUN SU If you think carbons rubber banding is bad, you should take another look at NFS Underground 2, that game was so rubberbanding it was obvious, just play Street X, they don't even lose speed when they turn, they don't power slide (which slows you down a lot) and have infinite NOS all tuned to full power.

    • @dekoldrick
      @dekoldrick Před 7 lety +18

      Same thing in Pro Street. It's really easy to create an over powered car the AI can't keep up with and sometime, you'll end up laping AI like on the oval track. And depending on the AI (Mostly noticable with racing team AI like Ryo's crew) they can get aggressive and try to take you out in a corner if you're in first place. That why rear view mirrors are important.

    • @ZoomieDeer
      @ZoomieDeer Před 6 lety +38

      SUN SU
      As far as I can tell, it was REALLY bad in NFS Rivals.
      During a race, I would start to fall behind after crashing, and making mistakes.
      After about a minute or 30 seconds of catching up to the AI from a very large distance, I would sometimes find them going what looked like under 50MPH on a straight section of road.

    • @markdebruyn1212
      @markdebruyn1212 Před 6 lety +6

      The Burnout games do have this Rubberband A.I. too

    • @BlueflagAlpha
      @BlueflagAlpha Před 6 lety

      drive club has that too

  • @dannybudhiono9936
    @dannybudhiono9936 Před 2 lety +33

    Its amazing how it went 160 mph on *"Cutting"* corner, while real player struggling to even stay in the middle of the road, because the game somehow won't let you have a Good Cornering

    • @HyakuJuu01300
      @HyakuJuu01300 Před rokem +1

      Yeah Carbon is retarded like that. All the cars in that game handle like strollers on sand.

  • @cybertron1000s
    @cybertron1000s Před 11 lety +285

    That moment when I'm about to finish a clean race, and then.......I get passed fro 500 mph M3. *Sigh*

  • @RetroAmateur1989
    @RetroAmateur1989 Před 10 lety +998

    rubber band ai=lazy devs not making capable AI

    • @X02Overdose
      @X02Overdose Před 8 lety +60

      True

    • @deusapex6896
      @deusapex6896 Před 7 lety +117

      >forgetting that this game was released in 2006 and criticizing A.I.

    • @emz6428
      @emz6428 Před 7 lety +131

      ^replying to three year old comment

    • @BlueflagAlpha
      @BlueflagAlpha Před 7 lety +7

      same thing as hacking

    • @Andysymgamer
      @Andysymgamer Před 6 lety +8

      Wow I just read your comment after typing out a short harry potter book novel of a comment above and another person gets it. You're right, it's all laziness. Makes me wonder if the map was premade using some kind of technology from google earth or apple maps and summarized it with some shit algorithm the military has been doing since the past decade. Hmmm.

  • @ducac-0457
    @ducac-0457 Před 5 lety +416

    This is nothing compared to Matt 's Honda S2000 in NFSU1.

  • @Frank9532
    @Frank9532 Před 5 lety +144

    Great demonstration, this is really how AI cars look in the rearview mirror: infinite grip and acceleration

  • @BoyzNAcne
    @BoyzNAcne Před 11 lety +125

    He clearly points out in his description that "This was performed by using a super handling/acceleration modification."

  • @bagelitsandila4611
    @bagelitsandila4611 Před 6 lety +69

    So... the AI car basically turns into a Formula 1 that can handle bumpy roads.

    • @792bnz
      @792bnz Před 6 měsíci +6

      And they are much faster than what you see in this vid

  • @hajduzsolt2276
    @hajduzsolt2276 Před 4 lety +46

    I love how the atmosphere/music changes when you're last.. :)

  • @RaymanMArenaCommunity
    @RaymanMArenaCommunity Před 2 lety +26

    I always noticed this especially when using a fast car. This demonstrates perfectly how it works

  • @Ophis.
    @Ophis. Před 3 lety +9

    0:54 the gearbox tho 💔

  • @DiabolicalSituation
    @DiabolicalSituation Před rokem +12

    A good way to see how broken the rubber banding in the game is. If you enable drift physics, use an acceleration modifier (where its drivable), and have a scout as your current crewmember, and disable the crew charge so it they can go faster. You can can go as fast as 170 or 200 but they will always catchup and if you check the statistics after you finish the race and check your crewmembers top speed. They've always seem to reach 250mph. Also its almost impossible to be them on speedtrap btw.

  • @johncarlofernandez2698
    @johncarlofernandez2698 Před 5 lety +32

    So this is what those f*cking AIs do when I'm on the lead! Why would they even made a game if they'll just give us a hard time by cheating???

    • @redragongaming
      @redragongaming Před 5 lety +12

      Apparently the player has cars that have too much weight in the back, while the AI has perfect control over the weight of their vehicle, a lot of times it feels like their way of cheating is by balancing their vehicle so much that it can handle sharp turns at ridiculous speeds. Makes me wonder if the cars the players get have been dumbed down on purpose to simulate an artificially induced difficulty by making the AI seem it's better. Obviously it's just a trick phoney, the AI isn't smarter, it's just a show off, exactly how the bosses are presented. They couldn't have showed it better any other way. The AI is basically showing off their fake skills while throwing tantrums or laughing maniacally on a screen and people wonder why has NFS Carbon been not as appreciated as Most Wanted. Even though the best game of the series is NFS Undercover, they nailed there perfectly fine the issues with the AI rubber banding or the cops spawning directly beside the player, MW had this issue of cops being all of a sudden very aggressive and appear out of nowhere.

    • @user-fv6kg6ev5f
      @user-fv6kg6ev5f Před 3 lety

      @@redragongaming how I can do thes AI

  • @classichotrod8393
    @classichotrod8393 Před 5 lety +40

    How do they feel when they get passed by someone exceeding their top speed

    • @xotwod6625
      @xotwod6625 Před 2 lety +3

      Same thing as to how Akio’s rivals in wangan feel.

  • @TheConfidentNoob
    @TheConfidentNoob Před 6 lety +29

    I wasn't sure what rubberbanding was until watching this video and I'm pretty sure I have experienced rubberbanding in NFSC before, but just either haven't noticed or was getting frustrated as to why I couldn't catch up😂

  • @farisfaikar_r
    @farisfaikar_r Před 3 lety +10

    Its quite satisfying and surreal seeing a car doing a hairpin at 160 mph

  • @_YoungB
    @_YoungB Před rokem +9

    Bending corners at 166mph ,the good days

  • @BlueflagAlpha
    @BlueflagAlpha Před 6 lety +25

    0.43 that girl disappear into oblivion

    • @costincalit7737
      @costincalit7737 Před 5 lety

      damn ... aliens bro !

    • @nirmalsuki
      @nirmalsuki Před 5 lety

      Yeah I saw her there, near the arena in Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion :-P

  • @Philip_023
    @Philip_023 Před 3 lety +52

    Game: Would like to use a Manual or Automatic transmission?
    This guy: * selects *Manual* *
    Me: "Mmm... A true racer it seems"

  • @fikrifadillah3247
    @fikrifadillah3247 Před 5 lety +19

    NFS Undercover ps2 has the most obvious ai rubberbanding

    • @spikerthedragonbear
      @spikerthedragonbear Před 3 lety +2

      We don't even talk about underground 1 and the glitchy rubberbanding

  • @pepediaz5852
    @pepediaz5852 Před 3 lety +45

    It happens a lot in NFU2 5/6 laps done you’re all the time in 1 place, then suddenly at the last lap one random car will wait for the first little mistake you can have and will pass you without any chance of you to catch that car.
    I always say that any race it’s easy till the last lap it’s where you need to have a lot of care.

    • @tri_pa_loski116
      @tri_pa_loski116 Před 3 lety +5

      Not on underground 2 opponents is easy to overtake in underground 2, but on underground 1 has the most crazy AI rubber bands same to most wanted and carbon

    • @prodbydanai
      @prodbydanai Před 3 lety

      @@tri_pa_loski116 Even in Most Wanted 2005 as well

    • @arsyam_7
      @arsyam_7 Před 2 lety +3

      And that's why I hate circuit races.

    • @mightymollyfan
      @mightymollyfan Před rokem

      @@tri_pa_loski116 Hot Pursuit 2 on the PS2 is a nightmare because of the rubberbanding its built on the same engine as underground 1 both are nightmares because of the rubberbanding.

    • @dbclass4075
      @dbclass4075 Před rokem +1

      @@prodbydanai Especially on Speedtrap races. Their recorded speed makes you question how it was remotely possible.

  • @DJSI3434
    @DJSI3434 Před 2 lety +2

    0:21 FINALLY someone's not lazy.

  • @hullbreachdetected4846
    @hullbreachdetected4846 Před 2 lety +10

    How to beat cheaters at their own game. Well done.

  • @tracey9073
    @tracey9073 Před 5 lety +19

    Rubberbanding is just op vtec

  • @kamikaze4172
    @kamikaze4172 Před 3 lety +12

    Waited till the camera gave a cool start up shot before the win. I kinda miss the menus and stat screens the old games had. Looks cleaner to me

  • @qrious1797
    @qrious1797 Před 3 lety +6

    Man this game so many memories ... Ford GT40 was my favorite car

  • @TheHirohikoAraki
    @TheHirohikoAraki Před 4 měsíci +2

    This is truly a *certified hunter moment,* right here.

  • @JIREN972
    @JIREN972 Před 3 lety +2

    Imagine doing this shit using viper. Love this video dude. So satisfying

  • @antimagetop1
    @antimagetop1 Před 3 lety +4

    that street composed music was amazing

  • @danm3021
    @danm3021 Před 2 lety +3

    That song in the beginning brought back so much memories.

  • @neromastic4512
    @neromastic4512 Před 5 měsíci +1

    When you finally get revenge on Rubberband AI with they own medicine.

  • @GrimReaperAlva
    @GrimReaperAlva Před 10 lety +54

    ONLY in NFS. Well, there maybe some other games like Split/Second and Blur but NFS is the king of Rubberband/Cheat A.I

    • @4n0nym0u5
      @4n0nym0u5 Před 3 lety +3

      Not only in NFS. All modern racers have this...

    • @threetoadsloth
      @threetoadsloth Před 3 lety

      @@4n0nym0u5 except Gran Turismo

  • @TheGamingDefinition
    @TheGamingDefinition Před 6 měsíci

    Recommended feed 11 years later, nice.
    Was talking about underground 1’s rubberbanding to a friend the other day, my phone must’ve been listening 😂

  • @seamusmckeon9109
    @seamusmckeon9109 Před 3 lety +5

    You can be going 300 mph and the cops still find a way to get ahead

  • @Galimah
    @Galimah Před 4 lety +3

    we used to chuckle at gran turismo 2 in its haydays. one could literally play all courses blindfolded and open the eyes on the last half on the last lap to win.

  • @guzma2996
    @guzma2996 Před 6 lety +24

    atleast you can just get nikki and rubberband with the other racers xD

  • @saddude9890
    @saddude9890 Před 3 lety +1

    That was some driving 🙌🏻

  • @farukadali
    @farukadali Před rokem +2

    keep in mind, this was tuned down from underground 2 rubberbanding

  • @Gzxlim.
    @Gzxlim. Před rokem +2

    That 350z looks very deadly
    And It Is!

  • @Bron0550
    @Bron0550 Před 3 lety

    спасибо за ностальгию бро,люблю тебя!

  • @rono7964
    @rono7964 Před 5 měsíci +3

    Bro took lessons from Earl

  • @JadeMythriil
    @JadeMythriil Před 6 lety +3

    so the tables have turned ;) You know I realised that NFS World's Slingshot powerup is pretty much just a Rubberbanding power.

  • @g_pratama_dp5785
    @g_pratama_dp5785 Před 2 lety +1

    NFSU2 AI catch up is really pain in the ass

  • @NDHFilms
    @NDHFilms Před 5 měsíci +1

    "My braiiiins... are going into my feeeeeet!!!"

  • @MarshallXeno
    @MarshallXeno Před rokem +2

    "See how you like it."

  • @MisterResistance101
    @MisterResistance101 Před 5 lety +8

    Is it possible to disable the rubber banding coding via Hex Editing or something else?

    • @dranzergigs8333
      @dranzergigs8333 Před 2 lety +5

      Extra options can solve it to some extent. But then it feels the ai has virtually given up and so we end up alone.

  • @nobodycares3333
    @nobodycares3333 Před rokem

    Music is so relaxing

  • @frogking-jn5rz
    @frogking-jn5rz Před rokem

    As a learning beginner indie game dev there is a reason why they do this dying repeatedly destroys tension so to keep the tension the speed of the object is slowed down depending on how far away you are from the object

  • @DiabolicalSituation
    @DiabolicalSituation Před 3 lety +1

    Nobody
    Literally nobody: The police civic cruiser when the heat raises

  • @TheOnlyKreator1
    @TheOnlyKreator1 Před 3 lety

    That bodykit makes the 350 look like the El Nino from the rear

  • @frknwrld999
    @frknwrld999 Před 2 lety

    Clean driving +1000

  • @divyaagarwal7574
    @divyaagarwal7574 Před 2 lety

    Nice one

  • @Kurogane_Hikaru
    @Kurogane_Hikaru Před 2 lety +3

    Imagine doing it with a Lambo or Carrera GT as they could go 452 kmh lol

  • @MessiAutismoo
    @MessiAutismoo Před 2 lety +3

    Always used to feel this pain in Need for Speed Most Wanted

  • @notgray88
    @notgray88 Před 6 měsíci

    How it feels to drive through a school zone after the first 3 beers

  • @TheConfidentNoob
    @TheConfidentNoob Před 6 lety +1

    NOW I know what catch up means after all these years XD

  • @HellaNooBs
    @HellaNooBs Před 3 lety

    How much grip?
    AI: yes

  • @folonrng
    @folonrng Před 3 lety

    going like 60 miles per hour and the motion blur goes "GAS GAS GAAAAAAAS I'M GONNA STEP ON THE GAAAAAAAAAS!"

  • @CalmaxFilm
    @CalmaxFilm Před 4 lety +7

    Was I the only to be scared by rubberbanding when I was kid ? 😂

    • @monikakirisame9759
      @monikakirisame9759 Před 2 lety

      Whats rubbrrbanding

    • @CalmaxFilm
      @CalmaxFilm Před 2 lety

      @@monikakirisame9759 I'm no english it would be difficult for me to explain, google it

  • @dennisjohnson1937
    @dennisjohnson1937 Před 2 lety +1

    Wait so the game let's ME rubber band??? That's so cool!!!

  • @jonathanmarois9009
    @jonathanmarois9009 Před 2 lety +1

    150 MPH hairpin turn. NO PROBLEM!

  • @The-Prottotype
    @The-Prottotype Před 3 lety +2

    so basically that's a GTA 5 racing mechanics in NFSC

  • @xodante7567
    @xodante7567 Před 3 lety

    Here in 2021 it’s crazy how things of changed

  • @idnotavailable0527
    @idnotavailable0527 Před 3 lety +1

    Now THATS what I call an uno reverse card

  • @filipkocev5171
    @filipkocev5171 Před 2 lety

    Oh how the tables have turned

  • @isljack3117
    @isljack3117 Před 3 lety

    Машина справа газует и одновременно стоит на ручнике. Напомнило Mercenaries2: world in flames, где на мотоцикле можно было ставить ручник, взять на "козла" и газовать на месте

  • @chinnabujji5578
    @chinnabujji5578 Před 2 lety

    Nice

  • @xm214-aminigun9
    @xm214-aminigun9 Před 3 lety +1

    So i was right when i thought their speed doesn't drop a single digit when they take turns.

  • @yasinekici8146
    @yasinekici8146 Před 11 měsíci

    Did you swap this thing with a Viper engine? What an acceleration!

  • @tmmt5360
    @tmmt5360 Před 3 lety

    Dude was familiar with terms like AI 9 years ago. Insane

  • @LMN.H
    @LMN.H Před 2 lety +3

    0:32 how that lambo doing burnout?

  • @lgz2006
    @lgz2006 Před 2 lety +1

    Who gets this from recommendation after 9 years??

  • @labuti17
    @labuti17 Před 2 lety

    Goddammit I miss this game

  • @Lachausis
    @Lachausis Před 2 lety

    AI: hey, you cannot do that? Can he?

  • @desmondkissoon8273
    @desmondkissoon8273 Před 2 lety

    Bro can you tell me what the set up on this car is? The tuning as well

  • @rutilantracer9116
    @rutilantracer9116 Před 6 lety

    I only see it during race wars tbh, at the end a random car will come up and fly by you at the last second going at least 50 mph faster than you and take the win... Unless you've got the same power as the.

  • @2spooky4you
    @2spooky4you Před 8 lety +10

    That car you were driving has some of the best handling I've ever seen, that 350Z has some serious grip on the road.

    • @icew0lf98
      @icew0lf98 Před 8 lety +16

      +xXD4TA_B0MBXx great job carefully reading the description

    • @2spooky4you
      @2spooky4you Před 8 lety +1

      +iCEW0LF *face palm* Crap I didn't even read the description.

    • @2spooky4you
      @2spooky4you Před 8 lety +9

      +iCEW0LF You know whats even more stupid? I didn't realize till now that this guy was using mods to demonstrate rubberbanding.

  • @MasterXiggy
    @MasterXiggy Před 11 lety +3

    Revenge :D

  • @atultripathi9166
    @atultripathi9166 Před 3 lety +15

    That is why I think they are perfect....they dont loose speed at turns...that pass you easily on one minor mistake....I always wondered if I could upgrade my car I would get to the AI level(like those fast turns) but even after full upgrades the car still seemed shit in comparison to the AI cars...

  • @OPTCO1
    @OPTCO1 Před 4 lety

    can u race same rubberband ai or it will just remove it on restart even if ur opponents stay the same

  • @kaandosantos5570
    @kaandosantos5570 Před 3 lety +1

    this video reminded me of the earl

  • @Hacker-cq6ig
    @Hacker-cq6ig Před 3 lety

    Wow nice

  • @hunter0869
    @hunter0869 Před 2 lety

    true legend

  • @thefancydoge8668
    @thefancydoge8668 Před 2 lety

    This is mario kart 64 levels of rubber banding

  • @derp2.080
    @derp2.080 Před 6 lety

    MAXIMUM DRIFTING

  • @siddiq069
    @siddiq069 Před 3 lety +3

    I know most of you hate me by me saying this but...
    this feature is good. creates more tension and rushes in my blood. Knowing that makes me even more cautious and more focus.
    at least tone it down or make a limit distance between players and ai

    • @Pk-oi8ky
      @Pk-oi8ky Před 3 lety +1

      I agree rubber banding is the only reason why racing games r interesting
      Otherwise I don't really find joy in winning races without any kind of challenge or without much struggle

  • @cosmetolog__d
    @cosmetolog__d Před 2 lety

    Ehh, yes, sweet revenge.

  • @lucascorrea8501
    @lucascorrea8501 Před 3 lety

    finally, justice

  • @TheFamilyGuyFanABC
    @TheFamilyGuyFanABC Před 11 lety

    nice

  • @elgallokriki2105
    @elgallokriki2105 Před 3 lety +1

    loved this video, i was always getting annoyed by that shit

  • @HydroAffe
    @HydroAffe Před 3 lety

    Finally I can die in peace

  • @AbdullahQumper
    @AbdullahQumper Před 3 lety

    well! you can give 'em 35sac. still you can beat 'em

  • @RosinFurry02
    @RosinFurry02 Před 5 měsíci

    Hey ho and what did you use to make this car speed?

  • @silentfrost3645
    @silentfrost3645 Před rokem

    What was the tuning on this thing?