This is one of those channels that when your looking for something on youtube but just can't find something enjoyable at that time and stumble accross this channel and fills that void.
Great project! Looks like a fine lathe. Always been partial to older Rockwell tools; I have one of their wood planers and a sanding station that I rehabbed.
Great vid.Love seeing machine Resto’s.Done 4 of my own.Just working on a Myford super 7.White lithium grease ? Never used that, only on Vehicle brakes,(HIgh melting point) long time ago.In the days when I was a working Mechanic.Now retired! Great to watch other people working.Keep it coming.Now subscribed.
Wish I had the space and money to restore one of these old machines. Until then I’ll just start watching you lol. I’ve done a few smaller tool restorations on my channel and it’s absolutely addicting
Well damnit... I just decided to sell my old 11" Rockwell, and now watching your video is reigniting my love for it! So WAY TO GO, Burton! It's all your fault. :P Mine has a threaded spindle nose, no taper attachment, and soft ways with some wear, but it's a great little machine.
I'm not a machinist but I can tell this lathe is well made and have quality for life, very nice job done for and I hope you will show us the rest, how its work after finishing the restoration, thanks for nice and well done video too.
pat stanush I recently bought a 11" Rockwell and pulled the spindle as part of the cleanup. I found the grease in the front bearings grease to be caked and old with a lack of oil. I suggest that you replace the spindle grease before your run it . I removed my reeves drive and installed a 2 hp 3 phase motor direct to the spindle belts with a 2 to 1 ratio. This , with a vfd included, works beautifully.
Thanks for the comment Pat. I have greased it until it pushed old grease out and I will do it again after some run time. The old grease in mine was not dried out yet or contaminated. I had the same idea about removing the clunky reeves drive! I would be interested to see what you did! Could you post a simple/short video or send me some pictures? That would be awesome to see your configuration.
Well done video. Anyone thinking of removing a bed on a lathe to paint etc, just remember if its pretty level best to leave it as you can spend days just getting it back level unless your up for that kind of work. Ultimately depends on skill and level of restoration required
That taper attachment is a rare treat for these lathes. I have a couple 11's myself. Mine didn't need much, just cleaned up. Hard to find that back gear though. They all have broken teeth. That was a rare one indeed. Most of these lathes were in High schools and kids would turn that front handle which locks in the backgear... chipping the teeth.
Funny that you mentioned the taper attachment today. I'm using it right now, in the next video. Yeah I've heard/seen that on the backgear. It really is a big helical gear. The only way that I see to break it is just that- operator error!
CZcams sent us. This was fun. We have a Walker Turner cabinet saw and the motor bearing is loud. You made the fix look understandable . Thanks, (As for the saw...it will look old and tattered unlike your lathe. #travelingkaspersworld).
That is a beauty! Great job. Rockwell had some nice and unusual features. Joe over at Raptor Machine (channel) has a few 11's which are always cool to see.
I think you once asked why the back ( Outboard ) bearing always fails. I believe it is because both bearings are journal bearings and there is no or little thought put into addressing axial thrust. Usually you only find a spring shim behind one of the bearings and this isn't sufficient to handle the thrust from energizing the motor, which acts like a huge solenoid that spins. When you get up to speed, the axial thrust evens out. If the OB bearing was replaced with a tapered roller bearing, this might help. Might make an interesting experiment.
Lovely job there! As a sidenote, most vfd's are capable of swapping the phase rotation to the motor in a simple programming step, negating the hassle of hardwire changes to change motor direction.
I just bought my Delta Rockwell metal lathe and have just started my refurbishment. It looks like its the same model as yours so I am going to enjoy watching your progress for tips.
The algorithm sucked me in! lol, Nice channel. I like your style of editing. Nice work on the Rockwell lathe so far. I have a Jones and Lamson #3 turret lathe I am in the middle of restoring, will have the first vid on it soon.
There are some pics on my Community tab on my home page if you want to check it out. I painted mine with a brush but it looks a lot better than it did!
I have this exact same lathe. It was in very good condition, came with lots of tooling and the previous owner had very professionally installed a nice Acurite X Y dro. It is my first lathe, I had been looking for something affordable yet quality and in this size for I don’t know how many years. Put an Aloris qc tool post on it and she’s a beaut. Also thanks for the video, you have gone more into depth with yours than fortunately I’ve had to yet.
Sounds like you found a good one Collin. I've thought about putting on a DRO and that's great to have but so far I've been happy with the accuracy of the dials. I've found that I can hit my number very easy with this lathe. It is a great machine.
Burton's Attic btw, after watching part 2 of your video series on this lathe I guess I gather you too are a North Carolinian? I live in Greensboro and work in Burlington.
Timely video. I just acquired the exact same lathe. In similar condition, sans motor. Waiting to get it home, along with it’s cousin, a 1941 Bridgeport. I’m looking to seeing this series in its entirety. Thanks
@7:45 " Do you know how hard it is to index a square to a circle in free space? " I thought about this and came up with this method. Easier to do than describe because the word "square" gets used as both a tool, and a geometric figure. What to do: Draw a small square just enclosing your circular hole, with a big X drawn through its corners, and extending outwards. Place your cover with its corners on the big X. Lay out your bolt holes as required. Why this works: This smallest enclosing square has the same center as the circle. Since diagonal lines drawn through opposite corners of this square intersect at the center, any square whose corners are placed on these diagonals will share the same center. They will also have parallel sides, so set up this minimal enclosing square so that its sides are parallel to the sides, top and bottom of the cabinet. The top and bottom sides need to be drawn horizontal and touching the circle at its top most and bottom most points. The left and right sides need to be drawn vertical and touching the circle at its left most and right most points. Use any way of achieving this alignment. A framing square or even a torpedo level might work. I tried this using the bottom of a spray can for the circle, and the corner of an envelope for my square. It works. I hope this was clear.
Just bought one of the lathes and just got it hooked up! What grease do you recommend for the main tapered bearing? What oils? Where are all the lubrication ports I should make sure to live etc? Thank you for all the help in advance!
I almost bought a Rockwell lathe but it was missing to many parts. I thought it was a very nice lathe. Yours seems to be a good one. I look forward to the next episode. Thanks
I'm missing the tool post, chuck wrench, and both chuck keys. It also don't come with the giant electrical box that was bolted to the four large holes on the back of the cabinet. All in all not to bad and I'm glad the electrical box was already removed!
I found this video 5 years later, but no joke I’m buying a 25-100 soon that definitely needs some work but everything seems functional on it, for a whole 200$ or the guy said it’s going in the scrap bin 😂
I really liked your Mill and lathe videos! Just stumbled onto your channel..."not sure how I got here"... but glad I did. Subscribed and looking forward to your next video.
@@BurtonsAttic I think it may be Steve Summers fault! I fell down that Rabbit Hole too, because Adam Both recommended him. I think that Algorithm you mentioned may be at play here! LOL
Great video on the Rockwell 11 inch metal lathe .I’ve got the same lathe and I have a sloppy cross slide brass nut and cross slide bolt I have no idea of where I can get such parts .ls there anything that you can help me with I would really appreciate it I only have a CAT no. It’s FK102503 , No other numbers visible .
Nice job man! Just for curiosity. I don’t want to buy a lathe. If you were hired to do the work on that lathe, what would you charge? I have heard that VFDs cause motor heating at slow speeds and a loss of some power at slow speeds. What is your opinion?
I have a question. on my lathe I have two gears. in the first position of the lever, the chuck spins freely but in the second it acts like a brake. is that natural? Ive taken it apart and when the lever is in the second position the gears are meshed but I cant move the chuck. its to messy to take all the gears apart
I likewise just found and subbed. I likewise love old machines. I likewise have a couple of old LeBlond's that I am working on. I think I have too many likewises in my comments likewise~~~~ Sorry, I will now go watch part 2!!!
Rockwell 11" are good lathes only weak part is the back gear teeth are a little weak and if used to removing the L00 collar one might break them gears off.
Yeah I've read that gear is really the only weak link on these machines. Shame too as it's a really nice gear, wide pattern and helical. I have done what you described before with no issue but I also don't over tighten the lock collar. I have gotten into the habit of just bumping the pin wrench handle with a dead blow and the lathe in direct drive. The spindle will move a little but the belt tension provides enough drag to allow the collar to come loose with two bumps of the wrench. Once the collar is loose the chuck comes off easy by hand. Thanks for commenting.
I have the same lathe and it works well except for the Reeves drive or variable speed control, it often is very stiff and hard to move the lever. Do you have any suggestions on this?
Biggest problem with the Rockwell 11 is the back gear always has missing teeth from people engaging it to take off the L00 chuck. Have seen 4 of them and they all have a few teeth missing. Actually the lathe is pretty solid and work well.
It's a great lathe and no missing teeth here. There is enough tension in direct drive to remove the chuck with a dead blow and the proper pin wrench as long as it's not been over tightened.
Somehow I made a typo, it's 1 3/8. I think I answered this before but all the parts that I have made are accurate to at least .001 minus my setup errors. Most parts are good down .0005
This is a deep topic snaplash. The short answer is simply yes a properly rated VFD will run a properly rated 3ph induction motor. Your torque mileage may vary.......To take full advantage of the VFD an induction rated motor should be used if overdriving it. If you just want to be able to use it in a normal manner, it shouldn't be a problem.
Congratulations!
Im glad to see your channel is running well as it should be.
Hey thanks man, glad to see you here!
I just hope that I am lucky enough to find me something special like you did Burton. Nice work fella.
This is one of those channels that when your looking for something on youtube but just can't find something enjoyable at that time and stumble accross this channel and fills that void.
I always enjoy watching your work on these machines.
Great project! Looks like a fine lathe. Always been partial to older Rockwell tools; I have one of their wood planers and a sanding station that I rehabbed.
i have followed a lot restorers, but your channel are by far the best, many thanks!
Thanks Ford, kind words!
Great vid.Love seeing machine Resto’s.Done 4 of my own.Just working on a Myford super 7.White lithium grease ? Never used that, only on Vehicle brakes,(HIgh melting point) long time ago.In the days when I was a working Mechanic.Now retired! Great to watch other people working.Keep it coming.Now subscribed.
I know this restaration will be great !!!!
Thanks for sharing your amayzing skills
Nicely done! I repair machine tools for a living (23 yrs so far) and you have done a very..very nice job of it.
Thanks Gunner!
Wish I had the space and money to restore one of these old machines. Until then I’ll just start watching you lol. I’ve done a few smaller tool restorations on my channel and it’s absolutely addicting
Great narration with clear explanations has earned you a new subscriber my friend.
I would LOVE to find an old lathe like that to rebuild. I am jealous! Thanks for the video.
Awesome project! Great to see the lathe gets the attention it deserves!
Well damnit... I just decided to sell my old 11" Rockwell, and now watching your video is reigniting my love for it! So WAY TO GO, Burton! It's all your fault. :P Mine has a threaded spindle nose, no taper attachment, and soft ways with some wear, but it's a great little machine.
Glad to help out Eric!
Looks like a nice score. Congratulations on finding such a nice machine
I'm not a machinist but I can tell this lathe is well made and have quality for life, very nice job done for and I hope you will show us the rest, how its work after finishing the restoration, thanks for nice and well done video too.
Fantastic restoration, thanks for sharing.
I really like the kind of vids. Thanks!
Great video. Looking forward to the rest of the restoration. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks Derek! Glad you liked it!
nice job so far , you will love this lathe my friend bought one new in 1965 and it served him well
That's cool Jeff!
Another restoration! Looking forward to this one as well.....
Looking at buying one of these next week, I think your videos will be invaluable =)
That thing is awesome! I am so glad that I was able to come across your channel. Keep up the great work!
Thanks Patrick, glad you like it!
It's criminal to let a decent piece of machinery rot away like this. Thanks for your care and good work. (The four jaw chuck is a very lucky bonus!)
Thanks Geoff, I was happily surprised to find the 4 jaw, rest and plate in the cabinet!
CZcams suggested this for me and I love this video!
love the got it and bring home feeling,,,the joy
This is another great project, and awesome your surge in support you have some great videos.
Great video. I am a mechanic at a large machine shop, so all this is of great interest to me. Thanks for your thoughtful approach.
pat stanush
I recently bought a 11" Rockwell and pulled the spindle as part of the cleanup. I found the grease in the front bearings grease to be caked and old with a lack of oil. I suggest that you replace the spindle grease before your run it .
I removed my reeves drive and installed a 2 hp 3 phase motor direct to the spindle belts with a 2 to 1 ratio. This , with a vfd included, works beautifully.
Thanks for the comment Pat. I have greased it until it pushed old grease out and I will do it again after some run time. The old grease in mine was not dried out yet or contaminated. I had the same idea about removing the clunky reeves drive! I would be interested to see what you did! Could you post a simple/short video or send me some pictures? That would be awesome to see your configuration.
Awesome, thanks for commenting!
I love this lathe... great job with the resto!
Thx Nunya!
Hi, I just found your channel and I subscribed. I look forward to more videos. Thank You for all you do.
Bill from Seattle
Great job, enjoyed all the videos!
Thanks Chui!
I been looking for a lathe like that Rockwell nice find
Well done video. Anyone thinking of removing a bed on a lathe to paint etc, just remember if its pretty level best to leave it as you can spend days just getting it back level unless your up for that kind of work. Ultimately depends on skill and level of restoration required
Very similar to my 12x23 Logan. Nice looking lathe!
Restoring a 1943 Sidney Lathe.... Good looking lathe you got there...
Nice. Will use as a guide on my little lathe I've just purchased
That taper attachment is a rare treat for these lathes. I have a couple 11's myself. Mine didn't need much, just cleaned up. Hard to find that back gear though. They all have broken teeth. That was a rare one indeed. Most of these lathes were in High schools and kids would turn that front handle which locks in the backgear... chipping the teeth.
Funny that you mentioned the taper attachment today. I'm using it right now, in the next video. Yeah I've heard/seen that on the backgear. It really is a big helical gear. The only way that I see to break it is just that- operator error!
subbed ,love the spindle lock option.. wish my chicom lathe had that
I've got that exact same Rockwell lathe except mine runs on 110 volt. Nice machine..look forward to your next video.
Cool Gary!
Man! If you didn't mention the 1k subs I thought you had 100k. Your production quality is excellent
Congratulations on 100k!
I've got a Rockwell almost exactly like tours....so jealous of that taper attachment and steady rest
Thanks, yeah those are hard to come by items!
CZcams sent us. This was fun. We have a Walker Turner cabinet saw and the motor bearing is loud. You made the fix look understandable . Thanks, (As for the saw...it will look old and tattered unlike your lathe. #travelingkaspersworld).
Glad I could help, thanks! Liked your cycling video.
That is a beauty! Great job. Rockwell had some nice and unusual features. Joe over at Raptor Machine (channel) has a few 11's which are always cool to see.
Thank You for quality content.
I think you once asked why the back ( Outboard ) bearing always fails. I believe it is because both bearings are journal bearings and there is no or little thought put into addressing axial thrust. Usually you only find a spring shim behind one of the bearings and this isn't sufficient to handle the thrust from energizing the motor, which acts like a huge solenoid that spins. When you get up to speed, the axial thrust evens out. If the OB bearing was replaced with a tapered roller bearing, this might help. Might make an interesting experiment.
Great video again man...Thanks for sharing...;-p
I'm loving it! However, I'm loving it more when everything gets taken apart, no exceptions.
Just found your channel. Looking forward to seeing more of this lathe restoration. I have a 1936 South Bend 9C. Love these old machines.
Thanks Solo, I also have a 1968 9Ax36 that is in excellent original condition.
I have a 1931 16" gap bed I'm working on. (Slowly lol) lovely machines
I'll chime in.. I have a 1948 10k that I'm getting up and running :) Love the channel Mr. Burton and keep the videos coming!
Thank you for your videos I’m very interested in watching
Lovely job there! As a sidenote, most vfd's are capable of swapping the phase rotation to the motor in a simple programming step, negating the hassle of hardwire changes to change motor direction.
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I just bought my Delta Rockwell metal lathe and have just started my refurbishment. It looks like its the same model as yours so I am going to enjoy watching your progress for tips.
What model is this lathe exactly?
Rockwell 11" swing, model# 25-084-784 Special
Cool lathe nice work.
Thanks Robert!
very nice good lathe I like this old lathes succes with him
Really nice job with the lathe and the video!
Thanks for the support Ron!
Considering how the lathe looked when you started, it is cleaning up rather nice. It is going to make a great lathe for your shop
Thanks James. It's no doubt more robust than the South Bend 9!
You are welcome .. the algorithm (PS - don't tell anyone I became self aware a few months ago) :-) Keep up the good work - enjoyed the video.
"can i thank code or is it... code" *subscribed*
Hi nice work brother I really appreciate it good well from India Jodhpur
The algorithm sucked me in! lol, Nice channel. I like your style of editing. Nice work on the Rockwell lathe so far. I have a Jones and Lamson #3 turret lathe I am in the middle of restoring, will have the first vid on it soon.
Cool Gary, glad it did! Thanks and looking forward to the turret lathe!
Hey man. Good job. ✌
Nice lathe! I recently restored an Emco Compact 8...It took many hours but so worth it 👍
There are some pics on my Community tab on my home page if you want to check it out. I painted mine with a brush but it looks a lot better than it did!
I have this exact same lathe. It was in very good condition, came with lots of tooling and the previous owner had very professionally installed a nice Acurite X Y dro. It is my first lathe, I had been looking for something affordable yet quality and in this size for I don’t know how many years. Put an Aloris qc tool post on it and she’s a beaut. Also thanks for the video, you have gone more into depth with yours than fortunately I’ve had to yet.
Sounds like you found a good one Collin. I've thought about putting on a DRO and that's great to have but so far I've been happy with the accuracy of the dials. I've found that I can hit my number very easy with this lathe. It is a great machine.
Burton's Attic btw, after watching part 2 of your video series on this lathe I guess I gather you too are a North Carolinian? I live in Greensboro and work in Burlington.
Yes
Thank yourself. I think your content is good.
Timely video. I just acquired the exact same lathe. In similar condition, sans motor. Waiting to get it home, along with it’s cousin, a 1941 Bridgeport. I’m looking to seeing this series in its entirety. Thanks
Stay tuned Scott, thanks!
The way that you talk reminds me of how a doctor explains things.
This channel is gonna get big.
Thanks Lance!
I have the Ten inch model. My other buddies have the 11” and 14”. They are great lathes Mark
Good to hear Mark, Thanks
I just got a Rockwell 14, starting to clean it all up. How did you clean the ways? I'm concerned about messing them up.
@7:45 " Do you know how hard it is to index a square to a circle in free space? "
I thought about this and came up with this method. Easier to do than describe because the word "square" gets used as both a tool, and a geometric figure.
What to do:
Draw a small square just enclosing your circular hole, with a big X drawn through its corners, and extending outwards. Place your cover with its corners on the big X. Lay out your bolt holes as required.
Why this works:
This smallest enclosing square has the same center as the circle. Since diagonal lines drawn through opposite corners of this square intersect at the center, any square whose corners are placed on these diagonals will share the same center. They will also have parallel sides, so set up this minimal enclosing square so that its sides are parallel to the sides, top and bottom of the cabinet.
The top and bottom sides need to be drawn horizontal and touching the circle at its top most and bottom most points.
The left and right sides need to be drawn vertical and touching the circle at its left most and right most points.
Use any way of achieving this alignment. A framing square or even a torpedo level might work.
I tried this using the bottom of a spray can for the circle, and the corner of an envelope for my square. It works.
I hope this was clear.
nice rig !!
Just bought one of the lathes and just got it hooked up! What grease do you recommend for the main tapered bearing? What oils? Where are all the lubrication ports I should make sure to live etc? Thank you for all the help in advance!
What type of paint did you use? Im getting ready to restore a rockwell lathe.
Great job on the lathe. I am curious as to what type of wax you were using on the paint. Looks like a great way to freshen up old dry paint.
I almost bought a Rockwell lathe but it was missing to many parts. I thought it was a very nice lathe. Yours seems to be a good one. I look forward to the next episode. Thanks
I'm missing the tool post, chuck wrench, and both chuck keys. It also don't come with the giant electrical box that was bolted to the four large holes on the back of the cabinet. All in all not to bad and I'm glad the electrical box was already removed!
Lifes Journeyman @@
I found this video 5 years later, but no joke I’m buying a 25-100 soon that definitely needs some work but everything seems functional on it, for a whole 200$ or the guy said it’s going in the scrap bin 😂
I really liked your Mill and lathe videos! Just stumbled onto your channel..."not sure how I got here"... but glad I did. Subscribed and looking forward to your next video.
Thanks! You went down the rabbit hole, I mean tube!
@@BurtonsAttic I think it may be Steve Summers fault! I fell down that Rabbit Hole too, because Adam Both recommended him. I think that Algorithm you mentioned may be at play here! LOL
Thank you.
How many hrs invested in the restoration?
is it really meant to use grease instead of oil in the headstock?
Just found your channel, their code sucked me in. Great video!
Welcome John!
Great video on the Rockwell 11 inch metal lathe .I’ve got the same lathe and I have a sloppy cross slide brass nut and cross slide bolt I have no idea of where I can get such parts .ls there anything that you can help me with I would really appreciate it I only have a CAT no. It’s FK102503 , No other numbers visible .
I would be brilliant at taking the lathe apart, don't know what would happen then though.
Awesome lathe. Enjoy it!!
Im bias to south bends and Hardinge
Thx Rolando, I also have a South Bend 9A that's super quiet!
What a beefy "benchlate":-)
Nice job man!
Just for curiosity. I don’t want to buy a lathe. If you were hired to do the work on that lathe, what would you charge?
I have heard that VFDs cause motor heating at slow speeds and a loss of some power at slow speeds.
What is your opinion?
I have a question. on my lathe I have two gears. in the first position of the lever, the chuck spins freely but in the second it acts like a brake. is that natural? Ive taken it apart and when the lever is in the second position the gears are meshed but I cant move the chuck. its to messy to take all the gears apart
Need more info than that......What kind of lathe? What are the positions marked as?
I likewise just found and subbed. I likewise love old machines. I likewise have a couple of old LeBlond's that I am working on. I think I have too many likewises in my comments likewise~~~~ Sorry, I will now go watch part 2!!!
Likewise Danny, Thanks for commenting!
@@BurtonsAttic LOL!!!
Rockwell 11" are good lathes only weak part is the back gear teeth are a little weak and if used to removing the L00 collar one might break them gears off.
Yeah I've read that gear is really the only weak link on these machines. Shame too as it's a really nice gear, wide pattern and helical. I have done what you described before with no issue but I also don't over tighten the lock collar. I have gotten into the habit of just bumping the pin wrench handle with a dead blow and the lathe in direct drive. The spindle will move a little but the belt tension provides enough drag to allow the collar to come loose with two bumps of the wrench. Once the collar is loose the chuck comes off easy by hand. Thanks for commenting.
That's a nice lathe.
I hope it is in the end!
I have the same lathe and it works well except for the Reeves drive or variable speed control, it often is very stiff and hard to move the lever. Do you have any suggestions on this?
Patrick I will talk about this in the next video!
Great videos, Where can i buy these machines?
Biggest problem with the Rockwell 11 is the back gear always has missing teeth from people engaging it to take off the L00 chuck. Have seen 4 of them and they all have a few teeth missing. Actually the lathe is pretty solid and work well.
It's a great lathe and no missing teeth here. There is enough tension in direct drive to remove the chuck with a dead blow and the proper pin wrench as long as it's not been over tightened.
Those extra bolt holes are called jackbolt holes.
Have the same lathe that I need to clean up as well. Sub’d!
Thanks for the sub!
I think I still would have pulled everything apart, to make sure there wasn't any hidden oxidation, jacking things out of true.
what size of drive screw rivets did you use on the data plates?thx
I don't recall exactly. I think less than an 1/8, Best thing is to gauge the plate mount hole and go from there.
Hey Burton
1 1/2 is the special!
When you remove the rust from the bed how does it affect level? Does it need to be scraped?
Somehow I made a typo, it's 1 3/8. I think I answered this before but all the parts that I have made are accurate to at least .001 minus my setup errors. Most parts are good down .0005
at 17:00 are those snap on stripers ? i have the same ones there my fav !
I thought VFD's required special motors.. Will this one run any induction motor at full torque
This is a deep topic snaplash. The short answer is simply yes a properly rated VFD will run a properly rated 3ph induction motor. Your torque mileage may vary.......To take full advantage of the VFD an induction rated motor should be used if overdriving it. If you just want to be able to use it in a normal manner, it shouldn't be a problem.