Installing a Graphics Card in the $5 Windows 98 PC..... Maybe
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Who Would’ve thought that a $5 windows 98 pc would have brought so much entertainment
yeahhhhh lol
True
Yeah lol
Best 5$ Investition
This is a fake account
“Everything that could go wrong, did go wrong.”
Ah yes, Murphy's law
At least I think so
@@c101vp yes, that is exactly what Murphy's law is
@@c101vp lol
Yes Sir
Lol
11:40 when the FAT floppy error ocurred, it changed your floppy disk size from 1.4 to 2.3 MB. You must've discovered a DOS-bug.
And I think that this maybe corrupted some files like nvflash.exe and maybe the bios file too. Try doing all of that again on a different floppy and video output form integrated graphics.
@@ggorg0 12:10 he didn't use that floppy and redid everything off-camera with the other disk.
Basically the bug that happens when SMARTDRV is running, it's the BIOS calls that had the bug, had the same issue with my Gateway PC, it's because they locked down the BIOS support for hardware as much as they can so for example their customers couldn't replace the CPU with certain speed CPUs, etc... I tried to change out the celeron in mine with a P3 and it wouldn't even POST yet the CPU worked fine in another board.... Also it didn't like HDDs between 30GB and 80GB, so a 120GB HDD would work fine yet a 60GB HDD would corrupt regularly.
That is weird. Gateway are mean bastards.
floppy disk duplication glitch
Can we appreciate that Michael didn't throw the computer out the window with all the issues he had to fix?
Or the GPU
the fun part of it is figuring out how to fix it
When my computer has issues, I try and fix them or move on, avoiding to yeet my computer out of my window.
i'm starting to run out of computers to yeet
@@conturnplayscounturn6911 yeeting computers gets expensive... well fixing them is expensive too. So let's give Michael MJD some love and help him.
in 7:29 - 18:00 Michael tried to re-flash the GPU’s BIOS, and after looking at the footage, I found the reason it failed.
When he was using the Nvidia BIOS editor tool, (NiBiTor, seen at 16:09) I saw that the card model selected was the *AGP* variant of the FX 5200, and looking back at 5:55, I saw in the label that it read, “...FX5200 *PCI* 128MB” so the BIOS file was expecting the AGP variant, but got the PCI variant instead.
You are quite smart indeed, I wished that Michael saw this comment
Fuck. That's rights yeah
wow a technical issue i actually understood in this series of video, im surprised of myself
A wise man once said “when in doubt dump the bios.”
A wise man once said "When in doubt unplug your blue-ray drive"
What can go wrong 🤷♂️
A wise man also said. "This was a foolish endeavor to start to begin with."
@@toara lol
Lol
Thumbnail - "Everything went wrong"
Oh, this gon' be good. VERY good.
I'll be honest, I almost forgot this existed. Quite happy to see it back!
Just a word of caution is that the power supplies for these machines are known to fail and I had to learn the hardway. By the way these low end office toasters do pretty well with a 3DFX card like a voodoo 2 even though it is pretty expensive these days.
yea,but he wants aero on vista or 7
@@bokexd3173 He could Try a Ati equivalent...
Yep, I said repeatedly in comments NOT to install a graphics card with that 90w power supply installed.
@@gasrim he wants to have drivers for most of windows(everything from win95 to 7 or smthing
is it caps that go pop or something bigger?
Wouldn't be a Michael MJD video without at least 7 things going wrong.
I used to work on arcade games and from the line artifacts onscreen I can tell you that this card was toast from the start.
Thanks for the always entertaining videos!
I can't help but feel that in a few months this PC will be called, "The Ultimate $5 PC".
The Ultimate $5 Windows 98 PC
Its not 5 dollars no more
@@boreal3255 originally it was 5$ so technically it counts
@@toara in total its probably like 200$ now
@@boreal3255 ye :) but i think mostly the hardwares are viewer donations
That background music is engraved in my head. I SWEAR TO GOD ITS THE SAME THING DANKPODS USES FOR HIS HEADPHONE COMPARISONS.
EXACTLY
DankPods fans are still humming this background music
oh my pkcell
yes indeed
YES!
Indeed :)
I didn't hear it at first and now I can't unhear it.
Maybe you tried this, but generally when you reflash a video bios the recommendation is to do a cold boot afterward (presumably because the card remains active across reboots).
If it truly is bricked you can probably desolder the flash and reprogram it, this was something we commonly had to do back in the days when there were Mac specific PCI video cards that had a premium price just for a different BIOS revision.
I just came from a DankPods video and this one has the same music it's fascinating
same here
"fascinating"? I feel like ripping my ears out
@@AuroraNemoia well it's a pretty good song though
@@AuroraNemoia Yeah, *fascinating*
Is that
Is that the freakish ears on a stand theme?
Murphy’s Law but it’s disguised as a 20-minute computer video
Now the spooky music is going to play on my head whenever I face dumb glitches lmao thank you
Your hands are doing freaky things when you're doing voiceovers
FX 5200?
Isn't that literally the worst GeForce card ever made?
That explains why he got it for free
Yes, maybe... But it doesn't change the fact that it is actually pretty good for playing games from W98 era.
it's an 3dfx technology packed into geforce core, totally badly. they tried to squeze something from 3dfx buyout but results were... well... baaaad
Man, even a GeForce 4 MX would've been a better card than that. :D
no the worst was the gs7100 cant even get 2fps in crysis
These cards are also just infamous for dying like that (see MattKCs Ultimate 98 PC videos)
I had THREE GeForce FX5500 AGP and all of them failed like this.
@@christoffer4862 I was honestly surprised the 98 PC still POSTed at first
Is this issue also common for another GPU's like GeForce 3 Series?
when i got my family computer i played on growing up it would go to a black screen after a while, Turns out the fx 5200's fan had seized up so i took off the fan and the sticker and got greased the bearings with penetrating oil and now it works again although does smell like penetrating oil lol
@@Twintania my FX5500 didn't have any fans.
I'm so untechnical I have nightmares about tech issues I can't even understand. These videos are nightmare fuel, but your calm voice and demeanor make it worth it
@@zzco When did he say unethical?
"Installing a graphics card"
Me still on integrated graphics:
Two decades ago, I stayed on my Intel 815 integrated 4MB graphics, giving me mostly what I needed, up to 1600*1200 in Windows for Workgroups 3.11, 95B, and NT4, though I usually kept it at a much lower resolution for the better refresh rate and color depth (and to cooperate with Puppy Linux too.) Now I get to see which adventures I missed out on!
Your integrated graphics are probably better than that FX5200
I've decided to get a GT640 or a GTX650 but don't know when. Intel HD Graphics 2500 sucks
@@amvymavy If you can find a GDDR3 version of, and 2gb, you'll do OK for some 2015ish era gaming depending on how much visual acuity you lust after.
@@thedungeondelver they say it'll be fine on GTA 5..... I guess that's correct since you said 2015ish. Also it'll be fine on Trackmania too since thats my other most used game
When the disks were getting messed up your reaction is exactly what I would have done and I kept giggling
I´m happy that the Series of the 5$ Windows 98PC still exists! Keep it going MJD, Greetings from Switzerland!
Video audio: *bios.bin has just disappear ed music*
Me: *laughing like a dumb*
I once had an ATi Radeon that before died showed vertical lines like the ones on your video.
Find another, this one overheated sometime and damaged the GPU.
I would just remove the heatsink, and reapply / replace the 20 year old thermal paste / thermal pads.
@@TheNews1990 That wouldn't reverse any damage though
Yeah, looked like the card was trying to die, and that really caused all the problems.
Yeah its a 5200. Just get a ew one.
Sure. let's just go down to the nearest store and pick up another 20 year old GPU
This channel never dissappoints :) you have a lot patience
Me in living in Germany and seeing an American talk about Germany: Well that was unexpected!
Ging mir genauso 🤣
@@Kevinw927 ist so
Und schon geht es los...
Same here. Spannend wieviele deutsche Zuschauer er hat.
@@redcrafterlppa303 stimmt
Looks really good Michael it was a good purchase, and it sounds good!
Yes! My dream of 480p video editing on Windows 98
Are you the one sending that? / Bist du aus deutschland? ^^
Can u pop me
@@nekrugderzweite8298 hahaha, no
@@noobmaster-dm7tu can u pop me
I had one of those cards for a while, it was a great little thing when it wanted to be.
Mine eventually gave in and gave me those artifact lines too
Editing on this video is the best! Please keep at it :P
Hi is the EEprom available in like a smd package with pins ? you could use a CH341 Cheap programmer to program a bios to the chip from another PC directly to the eeprom under linux you probably can use the flashrom utility and there should be also a tool for windows.
I noticed when your disks appeared to duplicate, the bytes used matched while the bytes remaining were different. I’m guessing the larger bytes remaining on the other disk represented the real disk usage, with the bios.bin and everything. Seems like the file allocation table got screwed up, somehow transferred over as part of the refreshing process. Maybe a race condition or something.
i already like that there's a post-apocalypse package sent through the postal service
You're pumping out these videos dayum
“Everything Went Wrong...”
Just like my marriage...
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I think you should have used nvflash with /save argument to dump bios, and then reflash it with nvflash
I'm not sure if that dumpbios app saved it in same format as nvflash expects
I recently discovered your channel and love your videos!
That's awesome, thank you so much!!
Try a usb bios flasher. So you can flash it on a newer computer
Yeah that CH341A should do the trick.
I Don't know Why but you're highly recommended for me in CZcams
...and it's true...your channel is awesome.
Wow worked, done this recently, on an nvidia 6200. Reduced clockspeed reflashed the vbios and artifacts are gone. Thanks for the video, got my nvidia 6200 working again (not sure how long for but its working)
love the new funny vibe editting :D
The editing was 10/10 I loved it
I appreciate it!
The PC has been through so much its insane
Instead of flashing, it had to be reheated, lines on screen usually indicates bga problems, gpu solder points, since this is a passive cooled card, it gets toasty , even with a fan it was more than warm. I fixed cards with this technique back in those days, and one agp card i still have, and works fine.
If your BIOS has an option for selecting the primary display adapter, you can take the nvidia card out, configure the BIOS to always prefer the integrated graphics, and then plug the nvidia card back in. You can then try flashing it again or using other options. You might want to try getting a known good bios for it off the internet - its possible that if you dumped the bios with one version and flashed with another, that there are differences in things like a header that would make it not work right. Or maybe it didn't work right because the card is overclocked and hot, and wasn't able to write the new bios successfully (letting it cool down, and then turning it on and immediately booting into the flash tool without loading Windows first might allow it to flash before it starts misbehaving - I noticed that your video problems usually only occurred after the machine had been running a few minutes).
Wow you put so much effort into this
I follow this channel for one good reason...
If I plan to do something and I found out that you did it before, I'll have to watch your video first so I'll definitely know what kind of problem I could have...
It looks like you get issue everytime you try something.
It's great for us/me because we can learn at the sametime :-)
Thanks for the video.
Considering that when you bumped the desk the image corruption changed, I think probably the issue is a cracked solder joint. Whatever bent that bracket in shipping probably caused a cracked joint, possibly in the GPU itself.
I have AGP Geforce FX 5200, it works fine even with Windows 8.1.
Would’ve been interesting to see you test our aero on Windows 7, not Vista, but that’s just my opinion.
Then again, Windows 7 updates past June 2018 was absolute hell for SSE1 processors.
I am literally in the same boat as you with old GPUs coming in the mail from Germany! I ordered an x1950Pro in June, they couldn't ship it until October due to COVID (Germany couldn't send parcels to most countries) and I ended up getting it right before Christmas.
Also, those lines are textbook symptoms of a dying vRAM chip.
Michael that bought the PC for 5$ and brought so much content out of it: *STONKS*
with the amount of work he put into it, he could probably buy 10x machines like this that actually worked😂😂
I don't know why, but it's so interesting to watch videos when things go wrong.
I am so happy that I was able to grow up with the computers we have today, improved for sure.
That was really cool of the guy from Germany to send you the stuff you could use.
I remember trying to overclock a nvidia 200 mx -it started to artifact 4-5% higher clocks so if that card artifacts at default try 90% speeds or lower
This video started with an ad that started with the win98 boot screen, and I was soooo confused for a second.
It could be that the floppy you used to store the bios is corrupted because i saw that it changed to 1.44mb to 2.3mb in a part of the video so that explains nvflash being corrupted and the bios could have be written in a sector that didn't exist so it overwrited another thing, you have to keep the original bios because there is a chance that it wasn't overwritten.
Windows 98 is like a grumpy old Grandpa that doesn't accept new things and it's always pretensious about everything.
even with a fresh install windows 98 is always doing something weird on many of my old computers, one of the reasons i hate using it even for retro gaming
Memories... I remember buying that card years back in Tottenham Court Road, London. I'm sure it came bundled with Elder scrolls Morrowind. Feels like yesterday!
I'm glad this was in my recommendations
This is so entertaining, you truly do deserve more recognition!
Le Malin?
le malin.
Whoooo....don't you just love ancient technology....flashing bioses & things....you get the badge of courage from me for attempting...keep up the good work Michael ;-)
Ayy it's my first GPU! :D Love the FX5200 Ultra n FX5500, great cards, though i have had this same problem have to a GF4 MX400SE, right as i finished my first PC resto and turned out to be faulty memory chips artifacting
At this point, Michael should just rename his channel to "Murphy's law"
Does anyone know if it possible firmware or chips on the gpu can suffer from data rot?
I know SSDs and HDDs can suffer from such things after a long period of being unused, other than that I would guess a bad capacitor since this is close to the capacitor plague of the late 90s but it doesn't look like any of them are leaking/damaged
I had this card. Was actually WinFast A340 but then when I was playing GTA: SA all characters models were transparent so I had to install the original FX5200 drivers in order to fix that haha. Nice card by the way
being fair the fx5200s are known to die in this manner (the vertical lines); I have one agp version with the same symptoms which freaks out when you try any driver and maybe 4 of them totally dead, one of which donated its beefy heatsink to my good ol' MX4000
AAAhhh..... Did you have smartdrv running on the dos boot floppy?
I had weird issues with my 400MHz celeron Gateway (Slightly different board) where the FDD would cache for some reason.... IDK why but was glad to of gotten a newer PC even though XP on the gateway was fairly fast at the time.
As soon as i heard the background music i instantly remembered Dankpods channel lol
congrats on 120k
Thank you!!
@@MichaelMJD you are verified cool
You're gonna have to find another bios for that card WITH its exact model and vendor or reflash the old bios and try using another gpu slot
I did love this video but all I could think about in the beginning was DankPods from the music since he uses it for all his headphone tests 😅
Hi MJD! I really like the $5 Windows 98 PC videos!
same
@@bokexd3173 who doesn't?
@@JSALFan idk some guy who is not interesed for old tech idk
Windows 98 is slowly becoming the best meme of all time.
xp beats it
@@Techtype_ That is not a meme. It is a great friend that we were forced to abandon.
walk through the park at the start spiked my brain and i immediately thought IS DANKPODS TESTING STANKPODS???
I really like old graphics card there amazing in my opinion it feels like it makes a lot of preformance to old desktop
In my experience back then when the card displays that was time to change because of the heat was cooked, either by use or in this case overclock. The attempt of fixing was right yet maybe its a revision version that need specific files.
2:52when you buy windows 98 for 5 cent on eBay and turn it on
did you use a new bios editor to create the new modified bios with the .rom extension?
I've noticed that the card is PCI, when you flashed the BIOS the setting indicates AGP. Maybe you could boot with both the pci card and igp as your main gfx and change the flash bios to pci and reflash the card?
Really loved the video though.
Thumbnail says everything went wrong. I have to watch this video 😂.
Oh boy! What fun!
I would've never thought to do this
Years ago I bought a scrap 5200 card for a dollar. It was dead but what I did was use the onboard video on the computer and reflashed with the latest bios for that card and rebooted and it came up after that.
Ahh, the good old "I will melt myself sooner or later" Geforce FX series of mistakes.
Nvidia desperatly tryed to compede with ATIs 9xxx series at all costs.
3:45 i got that when i tried installing windows 10 on a dell dimension
I had a similar issue when looking at a friend's computer on a newer gpu, still very old, it happened after the computer physically fell, I think some component on the pcb got broken or a solder joint broke. If some of the hundreds of solder balls under the gpu chip fractured from a shock, this can happen. I had the same thing, it would display in the bios, in the login screen, then the image would go nuts. I managed to force the driver install, then it messed up even in the bios, at which point I called it, ya broke it bud.
nice dankpods music in the background
I am sure that the card has a PCI interface, but in 13:53 in upper-left corner of Nibitor there is AGP. I'm not certain, but could this make the error, you encountered in the end?
Yes it's definitely the wrong device selected in the BIOS editor.
That was the model of card that the editor pulled from the BIOS file that was created. It wasn't modified. I thought the same thing when I first saw it but there wasn't another option for the FX5200, so I left it alone.
@@MichaelMJD If this is the problem then it can only be reversed if the EepROM is Directly connected to the PCI-bus pins.
It does explain why the bus connection doesn't work though.
*freakish ears on a stand music plays softly*
Only 800 views... But the video is epic?
Have you tried reflashing the old BIOS?
I have an old VBIOS for that card "NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 VBIOS", version 4.34.20.18.02 from 2003.
But I don't think that it will actually help, as the board is most likely different. (Considering Product ID is different)
Strings still indicate Gainward.
I don’t understand why I was interested, so I subbed
I really wonder if there exists an unlocked bios for this pc, so you could manually raise the FSB, or memory frequency or cpu clock speeds.. Since the cpu is made for 733 MHz, it should handle overclocking really well!
At 13:49, the bios is reported to be from an FX5200 AGP card. Maybe these errors are a result of someone flashing the AGP BIOS instead of the PCI BIOS.