Hank Green Unpacks YouTube's Biggest Problems
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00:00 Who is Hank Green
02:37 Why Hank’s in LA
03:02 How Hank puts out so much stuff!
04:55 Cancer
08:19 Quantitative vs qualitative metrics
14:04 Explaining Complexly
19:41 His first CZcams upload
23:46 Why he was so optimistic about YT
25:50 TikTok cutting corners
28:03 Elon Musk
33:39 Defending his thesis
36:26 How motivated is Hank by money?
42:24 On being an advocate for creators
48:15 OTT platforms
52:53 CZcams being threatened
54:32 CZcams’s biggest problem
55:48 CZcams Premium
59:30 Creator unions
1:03:30 CZcams Shorts
1:07:13 Creating VidCon
1:10:02 CZcams vs Hollywood
1:15:15 His most profitable company
1:17:12 How he sees himself in CZcams culture
1:22:55 Sustaining productivity
1:25:09 His first moment of validation
1:28:30 Hank’s advice for Colin and Samir
1:41:33 Hank’s relationship with his brother John
1:47:36 The future of education
1:52:57 Twitter as a creator platform
1:57:03 Mortality and legacy
We interview youtube legend hank green to discuss his company Complexly, 17 years on CZcams, and challenges that CZcams is facing.
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Good episode. And I'll try not to be jealous that Hank got interviewed by Colin and Samir and I didn't. ;) -John
I think they'd ask you to use a camera 😅
I'd watch that too
Don't worry, I'll interview you John
You didn’t YET (manifesting this).
I mean I’d come back again if you were on….
Can’t believe they got my substitute teacher on for today.
Y'all dug up his THESIS?? Hank is one of the most mediatized people I know and I'm not sure anyone has done that. Fantastic interview as usual, C&S&team - thank you.
Accept thet he pushes meth on kids
haha we go pretty deep in our research. his thesis is also pretty fun to read :)
@@davidgorvy Truly - great work. Hank said Nardwuar, but my mind also immediately went "Hot Ones".
@@Idefilms hot ones is definitely an inspiration for how we think about research!
Been watching CZcams hard since the beginning. Never heard of Hank.
The Final Boss of Hank Green's trip to Los Angeles. Can't wait to check this out.
Hank explaining how to escape creating “car crashes” by focusing on connections was so well articulated. One of the best podcasts yall have uploaded
Yes! THIS!
What the actual hell?! Every time I think Hank has been on every podcast in existence in LA another episode with him is released. I just saw the notification for his episode with Smosh and then this back to back. Goddamn.
I think he's previously said that there were eight total, but I've lost count of how many there have been so far
I love seeing the delay in release though. Like these ALL were recorded in a very short window of time. Don't often get a peak into that ya know?
@@challennarose270 100% haha. Now we know everyone's production schedules 😄
on the safety third podcast I think he said theirs was the third that day, and he had it scheduled to end basically right before his show that night. that blows my non-socializing mind into pieces.
Has someone made a playlist?
"Relative zero" is a crazy fast way to slap yourself awake and make you appreciate your progress when feeling down.
Hank continuing his collection of every podcast/show ever.
"Are all the *me*s having experiences I've forgotten dead already?" is such a brilliant way to put that feeling. Kudos to Hank. Looking forward to spending the rest of the day listening to this interview! Thank you, Colin and Samir!
That quote gave me a terrible existential crisis way too early in the day.
What inspires me most about hank is how unassuming he was in High School. He gives us hope that where we are now doesn't define us.
For those who were wondering what is on the wall in the frame:
We need words to
Fill this part of
The board because
When we film inter-
Views it looks too
Empty and we dont
Want our subscribers
To think that we
Dont have important
Things to say that
would fill a board
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That's pretty hilarious. I love it
thanks for this because I was getting pretty distracted trying to read it and didn't wanna pause for some reason
I find the problem with people doing CZcams nowadays is their lack of strategy. They come up with ideas and upload them and post them straight away. They may be motivated for a couple months and may upload 40 videos in that time. 40 videos could be 40 or 20 weeks instead of 2/3 months. Batch and post consistently (in my case I also use a bit of Famester to make my content viral instantly). Don't post everything straight away, post it on the same day/time every week. This also helps avoid burn out...
Nice ad, mister AI man
It's probably a result on their immense size as a platform. It's hard to sustain long term strategies with such a rapidly changing medium. There are ways to do it but it's very tricky and even trickier when you have shareholders and parent company
@@swiftlymurmurs1825 they're everywhere aren't they
All of Colin and Samir’s videos humanizes the creative process, but I think Hank really put it into perspective in this episode very well. As a father, long-term creative, and a business-oriented person. This episode was really special 👏🏻
I didn't know CZcams had any problems with Hank Green, I hope he can resolve them
I wouldn't be surprised if it's all the history stuff on crash course
Well the title has been changed 😂 They probably saw your comment.
Hank talking about their podcast not being on video:
1) Amazing imitation of John
2) I love the people who animate bits of their podcast, so actually you can "turn it into something"
3) In general I think the reason John and Hank aren't burned out on the vlogbrothers channel specifically is that they don't care about increasing their audience and aren't under that pressure like other creators are.
I love the question, "what's your new zero?" I recently came to the realization that almost all youtubers are like ceos, forever concerned about maximizing shareholder profit; and the profit is mix of literal monetary value and the views, the thought of more people seeing you then last time. Not many youtubers really talk about either value, especially the latter. But the ones that do talk about it say that the view counter is like a drug, a true cycle that can be addictive
I think it's true for any entrepreneur. I wanted to ask my boss today what would she be happy with. Like at what level would it all be good enough? Needless to say, I chickened out.@@randomgaming6808
Colin and Samir I am at the one hour and 57 minute mark of watching this video on a monday morning. I don't have a lot of free time anymore as I work very much and often have to decide between showering and sleeping (for example).
You guys have changed how I feel about so many thing including long interviews, long conversations, and "podcasts" if I can call you that.
I love your work, you guys truly are akin to Narduar as Hank alluded. I love your show, I have now seen many episodes in their entirety. I am only one person but for anyone to get 2 hours out of me in a day is incredibly high praise indeed.
Thank you guys and thank you Hank and I'\m getting a little emotional here but I just wanted to say you guys are the coolest and I get immense value from what you're doing.
Thanks from one of your Canadian fans
14:28 I’m an ADHD life couch, and a lot of perfectionism for ADHDers can be this “perfectly prepared” belief in your head that Hanks talking about. It was very helpful when I learned about this.
Yes 100%!! This can apply to a lot of different things but for me it’s mostly creative things like art or clothing making!
Hank did this nice lil collab/interview tour while he was in LA but I was so excited when he mentioned he’d be on Colin and Samir because these guys really make every interview feel so comfortable and relaxed despite also being so of the most well researched and analytical interviewers out there. Another banger from Colin and Samir.
This podcast interview is going to be a deep dive into the world of Hank Green - can't wait to listen!
this ai ass comment
Yessss, 2+ hours with Hank, Colin and Samir? Best day ever.
I watch vlog brothers simply because John and Hank. Their brotherly affection and down in the gut friendship of a life time.
There is nothing else like it.
They are different enough and alike enough to be interesting, funny, touching, and information.
Real love, real interest.
Mr. Hank Green from my high school classes youtube education saying "He's a quirked up white boy who's goated with the sauce" is not something I ever would have thought could happen
2:02:16 IM BAWLING. HANK PLEASEEEE. I was not expecting to start fucking crying when the video is practically over 😰
Yes this. Recording bedtime stories hit me like a truck…so scary
Hey guys I just want to say how thankful I am for your content. Getting perspectives from people like Hank is invaluable. Over and again your guests help me navigate a something that I just couldn’t figure out on my own. In other cases hearing the struggles and challenges they’ve faced makes me feel not crazy for having some of those same frustrations. Keep up the great work, you’re making a big impact!
I’ve been waiting for this merging of intellectual greatness for years 😂
Don't normally listen to 2hr+ podcasts but had to listen to this one with Hank! Great podcast.
Hey guys, thank you for this episode. And thank you to Hank for all of his time and thoughts here.
I was so taken by Hank's thoughts on death and talking about some of the emotions and planning since his diagnosis. This hit home for me, my dad passed away last month at 60 after being sick for some time. It was oddly comforting to hear someone talk about some of the logistics and emotions about death in this very thoughtful way when I've just been crying for a month.
Always a fan, always love your content, and thank you all again!
the only long form youtube videos i watch all the way through are these videos - this kind of behind the scenes discussions are the most fascinating to me. i'm one of the 10+year long vlogbrothers watchers and I do the census every year and i love it and hearing Hank talk in this format is beyond engaging. So glad you guys got the chance to do this with him!
I love Colin & Samir. Have to emphasize that first.
Unsolicited critique: This episode had a lot of talking over each other. Would’ve loved to hear Hank just a bit more in certain places. He seemed to get cut off quite a bit.
I agree. Love this channel & this video but this was a little rough w the talking over the guest.
If I were in their position, I would be so nervous and excited that I'd probably talk too much and talk over him too. 😂
Oh man, you prob don’t want to watch the other podcasts Hank did in LA then, lol. There were a couple in particular where Hank was being interviewed by 4 people who were all very excited to talk to him and show off how funny and smart they were. 😂 everyone was constantly talking over each other, at some points there were two seperate conversations happening. The videos were super hard for me to follow. Colin and Samir’s video is my favorite of all the LA podcasts by far, it felt way less like the floor of the New York stock exchange and more like a regular conversation 😊
I'm so happy to see a new video! I've recently found your channel and I'm loving learning about CZcams from you and your guests. Because of what I'm learning from you, I might finally start my own channel. Thank you for being such an inspiration!
As someone who consumes about 4 long-form interviews a week, this one was one of the most interesting interviews I've listened to. Ever. Great work C&S and of course Hank. Really appreciate the peek into the creator perspective on this episode.
There's no one in the world with more interesting insights and comments about the creator economy than Hank Green. This perspective is invaluable and I can't imagine a better guest for this show. I can see myself rewatching this for years to come.
Hank saying that "CZcams is like the government and the channels are like the businesses in the city" is such a good analogy i haven't heard before ❤
When Colin said “actual athletes wouldn’t have started TLN” that hit home 😂
Love this, Hank and John are among my favourite people on the platform. Having watched them for years, and being quite aware of all that Hank has done, it was great to hear him talk about these things, and his views on the platform. Great video.
The number of podcasts Hank has been on recently is insane!
I guess he would say "last round" :D :(
This was the most interesting Colin and Samir episode yet
Hank Green is on every CZcams channel I watch this week. That needs to be its own video.
i personally never followed the vlogbrothers (i knew who John Green is though) and yet i chose to watch this episode because Colin & Samir have developed such a huge confidence in us the audience that they will always deliver. finishing up the episode now and wow what a super insightful and amazing conversation this was.
as someone who’s trying to grow on youtube this taught me a lot. as EVERY colin & samir episode does
my favorite interview by far! wonderful work everyone! ♡
Knocked it out of the park with that conversation. Thank You.
This is the episode that I didn’t know I was waiting for but it’s filled a hole in my brain that’s always been there 😂👏🏼
9:53 I am one of the fans who was not born yet at the start of vlogbrothers. I became part of nerdfighteria right before hank got diagnosed with cancer (probably april 2023) and it’s been the best part of my life. There is such a strong sense of community surrounding hank and john, and the wonderful things they do for the world are *absolutely remarkable*. Even though the brotherhood 2.0 project is older than me, I still feel welcome in the community and am proud to be a nerdfighter.
Since I saw the photo I’ve been expecting this episode ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
They may not have been "at the center" of youtube culture but they are royalty nonetheless
I don't think I've heard of you two before but this was an incredibly well done interview, you've got yourself another subscriber
Glad to have a guest I am interested in seeing again. It’s been a while since I’ve watched. Feels nice :)
I am huge fan of crash course! Thank you so much for all of the work you and your team did to create valuable content that I could not stop gobbling up! Gratitude!
hank collecting all the LA podcasts like infinity stones
the interview I've been waiting for! Was nodding my head as if I was at the table. Best 2 hours of my day
i knew hank green was in la and i was hoping and praying id see this podcast on his roster. answered my prayers!
Early comment! 😊 love the continuation of the Hank Green was in LA so he hit up all the cool youtubers tour 😎 😂
Absolutely love Hank and loved this podcast! The combination that I was waiting for ages and didn't even know about it. So glad you interviewed him.
I had recently come across Hank via some of his science nerd videos and liked his presentations and lack of moneygrubbing clickbaitness. CZcams recommended this video. Since it has literally been years since I watched any longer form vids, TV, streaming stuff, etc. except for some game playthroughs I thought I'd just drop in for a short time to see what the CZcams 'issues' were.
I'm halfway through so far and this may be a sea change shift in my online viewing. Thanks for the adult, but entertaining, conversation!
p.s. I was born in 1955
just started the video and y'all better have ask him about the fact that he CREATED A EMMY WINNING SERIES. all the interviews i have seen with hank have not included a single question about that.
He's done TOO MANY things! 😂😂😂 Man's got an Emmy and it never get's mentioned.
@@mayaenglish5424 TWO EMMYS!! 😂
@@cassiebrien2290 TWO EMMYS! TWO! TWICE AS MANY UNMENTIONED EMMYS AS I THOUGHT! 🤣
Dude I was thinking about this the other day!! LBD is never mentioned. Imagine having an EMMy being low on a list of your accomplishments. I’m also disappointed that we’ve strayed away from discussing 2D glasses but that’s another story
wait what??? what series???
Hank Green is such a genuinely insightful creator and leader in the space. Loved the entire convo, and loved the Rick Steves reference!!
I felt so seen when Hank mentioned the large number of 10+ years Nerdfighters in the survey! Great interview, super fun to watch Hank bounce around all these podcasters. It would be super fun if John did it too!
Relatable, riveting, inspiring, and perspective broadening 👏 thank you
Love this episode! Thanks for being my go-to always playing podcast!
This is an interesting episode. Fundamentally I don't think a person who up until last year ran multiple mid size companies can conceptualise what a union for content creators would look like because his experience with working is tied to ownership of his ideas or working independently. I would love to know how a bunch of CZcamsrs with under 10,000 subscribers would conceptualise fair working conditions for the company that host their videos.
Never expected to hear Hank say “he is a quirked up white boy, goated with the sauce” in reference to himself 12:00
The way Samir and Hank were laughing by the end of this made me so happy. What a great interview.
1:59:36 I am just now starting my 10th year with Vlogbrothers as a significant part of my online life
I love that dear hank and John is only a podcast. It helps keep it what it is
Yeah, I enjoy having the visual component for podcasts, but if it would change the dynamic and make John uncomfortable then it's not worth it.
I agree! I also find that podcasts that have the visual component begin to cater to the viewers and have more visual presentation that makes us audio-only listeners feel left out even though it’s supposed to be a podcast.
Great interview! Lots of helpful info for content creators. Many thanks.
Upvote this if you're CZcams OG enough to remember the 7-8-9 event. I'd be floored if any of you would get that reference. Hank was there too.
I wasn’t there!! But I did have massive fomo and it was a big inspiration for VidCon!
The most valuable episode yet. This will be a slow burn, but cited by many. Thank you so much. 🙏🙏🙏
They way you goes nerd about domains and relate to each other feels great.
I can't believe they got Colin's forearms on the show! Crazy.
I've waited years for this interview...and it did not disappoint 🙌
This is one of the best. I knew Hank was sharp but goddamn, his insights are profound. Not only are there a lot of tips for creators here, but a lot of advice for just living.
Bro the research and the questions by yall is so impressive. Hank green is also a genius. Great job everyone holy guacamole
I have been WAITINGGG for this
Such a compelling conversation!
The amount of times I heard my hometown in this podcast was crazy
Do we have a running list of everything Hank has been on lately? I don't want to miss any!
Wow, okay 7 minutes to go on this podcast and NOW you throw in a tearjerker?? Good LORD people I'm listening at work! Come on! 😂 Also any other DH&J listeners laughing about the irony of Hank advocating for the importance of a will? A task he very notably put off for a LONG time to the dismay of John? 😂
Hank green on a podcast tour is amazing! Top 2 hank green podcast right here imo
Damnit Colin & Samir. Ya got me hooked! (Yes, this is my first video, yes, I will be watching more) You guys ask really good questions can't wait to watch more of your stuff.
Was not expecting to contemplate mortality as a CZcamsr today but here we are!
It doesn’t take cancer to think of your past selves as dead, gone from the world and only unique from other dead people in that your current self remembers your old self from an inside perspective. This is something I’ve thought about a lot, since our personality, our cells, our perspectives and opinions, they update and cycle out and we become just someone who used to know our old self intimately. I dropped what I was doing and gaped to hear this notion come from someone else…when I’ve brought it up to others It’s been clear that it’s not a normal way to think of our younger self.
You should check out Hank's XOXO talk from (I think) 2014, it's on CZcams. It's basically all about not letting your past self's identity and dreams dictate who you are and what you want to work towards currently. The talk itself isn't amazing when it comes to the technicalities of public speaking but the ideas are expressed very clearly and it had a big impact on me and how I approach certain things in my life.
Thanks, I'll check that out! @@puupipo
Listening at the 1:50:00-ish mark. My college surprisingly made a new degree very quickly. But I think it was more out of foresite then them being reactionary. Still at the early days of the web, I wanted to work as a web designer. Neither that or development was a thing. So my classes were a mix of computer science and graphic design. They literally took my schedule and made it a new web development degree right before I graduated.
They did pull me into a meeting to tell me this.
No, they did not let me get that degree.
Omg I’ve never heard of vlog brothers but crash course helped me through my GCSEs! I’m now in my 30s 🤯
hell yes I’ve been waiting for this one
definitely my favorite of hanks grand media tour of LA
i've only been watching hank for a year or two and i'm such a huge fan
I loved this conversation. Hank has really interesting thoughts 💭
Epic looking forward to it!
As a subscriber, I think you have important things to fill a board with
Interesting discussion. Thanks for sharing it. ✌️
Adding this to the list of podcasts Hank has been on, while still avoiding Fear&. He’s a Yard loyalist and he’s real for that.
just found your channel the other day when the algorithm recommended this video. I like it so far, I'm hoping to find interviews with Adam Savage ans Simon Whistler; if not, hopefully some time soon.
I've been watching the Greens for 13 years. Own 2 Hank books and 4 John books, love the pod, love the community. I appreciate their thoughtfulness. DFTBA
Imma need yall to take this video and double it. Give me 4 hours
truly one of The Podcast Episodes of All Time
It's wild hearing Samir refer to other creators as elder statesmen, because to me, Colin and Samir ARE elder statesmen. Been in the game and stayed in the game, AND launched a merch line? Killing it
Love Hank Green and everything he does for the platform. Super glad you guys finally were able to have him on the show 🙏
Also shout out to Nalts, Renetto & Brookers (she was the first creator to hit 10,000 CZcams subscribers 🙂)
22:17 This is such an insightful statement and explains so much of what we're seeing in the world. Smartest Comment I've Heard This Year.
The Goat of YT. Well done boys.
Damn seeing Hank green showing up in many LA youtubers channels. He was busy.