A call to all British knife makers.
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I would absolutely love UK legal modern traditionals made here in the UK. Contemporary interpretations of classic styles, I'd be all over them.
Absolutely 👍
At 10 knives a month, 100£ per knife would be a pretty good side job and I’d pay 100£ for a decent carbon steel and micarta
Maybe a Barlow in walnot with D2 steel.The Barlow is a British design. :)
Erik Ramaekers Meh, not D2.
10 handmade knives a month as a side job would be pretty hard going, If you count the number of hours per knife at £100 you'd be working less than minimum wage. I used to make fixed blade hunting knives only as a hobby and I now machine small custom parts for people as a side job/hobby but unfortunately its certainly more a labour of love.
I love the design of the British army knife with Marlin spike but the standard is so low on the manufacture. The Arthur wright lambsfoot is my favorite British knife .
This is a nice idea, I really hope this helps makers grow although I suspect for some, especially really good ones like Shing, they're likely already producing knives at capacity, I'm complately on board with you though mate, would love to buy more UK knives. Cheers mate.
I would like to see a good, sturdy, well made, slip joint from Britain. There really needs to be some competition with China/Japan knives. I believe its possible. A quality knife from $50 would be a viable challenge. I got a Kershaw Tumbler for about $70 with D2 and a locking blade, that I really love. If that can be done, surely Britain could make a classic slip joint with D2 and a nice handle for the same amount or less.
I would LOVE to buy British made knives, however I feel the laws make the market so small for companies looking to get into production. On top of that
I feel a lot of smaller makers will be sceptical to make knives for a British market when the laws are subject to change. I could be wrong but I feel like the legislation just pushes the market into a corner!
Great video, I’m keen to buy British pocket knives. Hello from Australia…..found your channel today, looking forward to finding great British makers.
Your very welcome Eric,if I can help please ask.👍☘️paddy
I totaly agree. Standardize quality and you keep your customers. And the word gets around fast. As you say, England has the talent and the capacity to produce great things but less talent at selling and promoting them.
I personaly would like HH or anybody else to do like SMKW, create a brand of cheap but quality knives like Rough Ryder. Designed in England, made in china with quality control equal to that of Case. I guarantee that in a country that only allowes small slipjoints they would sell like hot cakes and would surely conquer Europe as well. It is better to sell 20 knives at 20£ than 2 at 100£. All the best.
I’ve never even seen a British knife. Rare as hen’s teeth here in the States.
There is a few but not enough. Just want to try and get options for everyone. We are not good on promoting ourselves. We need to learn from you. Atb paddy 👍☘️😃
Queen cutlery maybe
NaCl Ωmega A defunct American company?
Good luck finding the British makers you are looking for.
Here in Canada you pay that price for a factory made American knife. To your British knife makers, realize Paddy is heard round the world. Everyone knows British steel is top quality. I hope this gets going. You planted a seed.
I'm old enough to remember when Sheffield cutlery was among the world's best. How times change. Your idea is a good one and promotes a positive goal during these difficult times.
Well said mate!!!!! I love the idea!!!!!! Also your going to make me buy that otter messer Anchor knife!!!!!
Fit and finish on a knife, is the result of hand finishing, that is a question of hours of work. To make money with good fit and finish it would be necessary to make a given model in a decent sized batch so getting the blades, back springs and liners cut out by a precision engineer would guarantee consistency,otherwiseit is a lot of time making them individually, that would involve the cost of tooling and designing the tooling, then finishing them and assembling would be the stage where fit and finish for the customer would count.
Having got the frame together to the point where the covers can be fitted is the next stage and probably where the most time comes in, especially if you are choosing natural materials like bone, stag, wood etc, matching is important and then fitting to perfection. I don't know how many hours that would involve for a professional but I do know that the covers I put on the RR Elephant toe made of juniper wood took me a good 15 hours and I have made a fair few fixed blades in the past and I am a professional carpenter and engineer.
The problem for anyone trying to advance from being a small time maker to a full on British knife maker is the large amount of kit needed to make that jump, also it would be difficult to do something like that as a one man operation so the next thing is employing people and all the training, health and safety, permissions and taxes that would involve. Any manufacturer who is already making knives would have other problems, like retraining taking on new staff, tooling and marketing.
For either small outfits or manufacturers, making that initial investment without a good idea of how likely the potential market would turn out to be real is not something many of them would be willing to do.
For a one man operation, he would be looking at trying to make at least an average wage, I understand that to be £35,000 a year in the UK, plus say a small 50 sq metre workshop, about £2700 plus power, water etc, probably another £10000, so without even considering materials, VAT, postage, export licence if selling abroad,and a host of other things, he would be looking at needing to be sure of selling a fair bit more than 10 knives a week at £100.
Unless a business or individual just happens to be at just the right stage in their business, I don't think it is likely to happen, I would love to be proven wrong though. Since Sheffield and the British steel industry started going down hill in the sixties and more recently being helped on it's way by different governments, other than cutlery on a dinner table, I don't see much chance of your (or a lot of other's) dreams coming true.
Excuse another long post but I had thought about doing something similar a few years ago before I left the UK.
P.S. Did you see my email Paddy? would love an opinion.
What a fantastic answer Chris thank you so much for that breakdown. Like I said I'm not at all clued up on knife making. So sorry I've just gone and found your email. That is an amazing transformation to a knife. I mean that genuinely my friend. Anyone would be proud to carry that. Well done sir. 👍☘️😃
@@paddyspotatopeelers2154 It's not a perfect breakdown but I just wanted to show that it is a big step to go from making the odd custom knife to making enough to earn a living and get a real name out there and as I said, so much damage has been done to Sheffield and the British knife industry, along with the current government promoted attitude to knives , it would be very hard to get a decent British knife industry back and up and running.
On the Toenail, I know you do most of your communications on Instagram etc so I guessed you hadn't seen my email.
(@Chris Osh) Sensible comments, thanks for taking the trouble to type and share your viewpoint.
Smedly is an amazing British knife maker with a half decent price his raven friction folder is around the £150 mark
I'd love to get one of these friction folder knives from a custom maker, but it would need to be waaay cheaper IMO. Like if someone could come up with a great design, then maybe get a kickstarter or other funding source to get a bunch of blanks/scales all water jet cut out so that they could be made quick and more cheaply, so they would be affordable for the average person.
My favorite knife of all time is one of my cheapest. An opinel mushroom knife with a cut down stained handle. Nothing cuts better or feels as comfortable in the hand. The blade shape is perfect.
Thanks Paddy, great video and yes I am another one who would buy British traditional knives, and I am sure like myself you have a few classic British knives from back in the day.
Cheers and take care
Sammy ( Feb21)
Ps I am still working through your backlog of videos, hence the date
Michael May, Portland Works, Sheffield.
Totally agree Paddy, and I applaud your appeal/challenge to local talent. Unfortunately it will likely fall on deaf ears. One little word - pride. GEC in the US have it. Boker in Germany have it. Several in China have it. We've lost it.
The more you get into the community over there, the more likely it is you folks can get some of those onerous knife laws rolled back.
Would love a good production knife with slick British styling in my collection.
Good on ya, my friend! 🔪👍🗡
I was hankering for a British slipjoint. As a child in the UK in the 70's I had a lovely single blade spearpoint from an old hardware shop (Think 4 candles by the two Ronnies) that was my constant companion (until I lost it 😒) So, some forty odd years later I decided to treat myself to another for Christmas. I scoured the internet for Sheffield made stuff and bought what looked to be a lovely example with Yew scales. What a bloody awful mess it was, the F&F was appalling, the walk and talk was great, but it didn't come even remotely sharp and the blade was stamped in what looked like two different machines so each side looked different! (How in the HELLO!) did this get past even a rudimentary CQ check? So disappointed as I had planned to edc it.
I paid just over forty pounds for it, I would have gone about 65-70 for what I was looking for.
With regard to this topic, CNC water jet cutting as a per piece cost would be quite affordable, same goes for the roughing out of scales and other things such as the blade and back springs. With it all being CNC'd its not going to be a real nightmare to assemble in a reasonable time. Just because we want it made in Britain, doesn't necessarily mean it has to be hammered out on an old railroad track, I'm more than happy to buy a traditional pattern made with modern (and more consistent) methods.
I have had good experiences with a.write knives but I only have 2 to compare...i would love to see a boom in the sheffield knife industry. Thanks for the video, interesting topic 👍👍
🇺🇸 I would also love to support British knife companies and any other companies from the west but I will never buy from China again even though I love the price and looks of the rough rider traditional folding knives I don’t have a lot of money to spend but I know it will make me happy when I’m whittling or cutting Rope knowing I’m helping local worker with my purchase , my new edc is a large Case Amber bone stockman that I purchased about three weeks ago I love it and I couldn’t be happier keep up the good work love your videos stay safe 🇺🇸
Taylor’s Eye Witness 👍👍👍
Great idea 👍 as a fan of traditionals I would love a nice English made and sourced knife for that price
Good quality assurance standards are essential. I got unlucky when I bought an Arthur Wright barlow with stag handle, it really shouldn't have left the factory, I'm totally willing to get another one at some point and see if it's better though. I would definitely like to see some really budget focused 'production' models from these custom makers though, more than like £60 is just too much for a basic everyday use knife.
Me to same problem. Atb paddy 👍☘️😃
Switzerland is probably the most relaxed out of Europe, on firearm ownership, idk about knives, in Texas we can carry whatever now, except brass knuckles, which is weird, I can carry a sword but not brass knuckles, I can't remember on daggers.
Hello Paddy. Have you heard about the Spanish cutlery brand Cudeman? They have some really interesting work. I recommend you a particular model that is a sales leader, since its launching: "La Marinera". Its a sailor's pocket knife with a contained size and superior qualities. Böhler N690 steel and different offers in the materials of the handles. The adjustments are impeccable. Hugs.
Thank you ill definitely look into them.atb paddy.
You might be interested in checking out Jason Knight's channel. He's a custom maker, ABS Master Smith and I think it was one of his very first videos he goes over his answer to new knife makers as to what to charge for their knives. Its a really simple, common sense approach and it obviously worked for him. Most recently I watched him turn a chunk of junk steel found outside somewhere on his property into a custom (excuse the spelling) Wakabashi. His motto is " Be a Maker".
Gday Paddy. I’m in Australia and I’d love to support UK makers as well. I’m a bit over the US brands.
I’m really considering after watching this video to start producing some traditional’s at as good as a standard as I could produce and feel that I could put my name too, however I really don’t feel confident in the blade and spring making process or consistently meeting a good standard.
A Wright and Sons is by far the best barlow knife I've ever used.
Good initiative Paddy. That would be very nice indeed 👍👍😊
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Play nice.
I still live in your head rent free 😁
@@SuperSteelSteve yeah but it's the sex dungeon corner of my head big sexy.
I would love to have a nice British made Wharncliffe, good and pointy as the blade's original designer desired. But I'm not down for crap quality and half-ass fit and finish or cheap blade steel.
I agree with you. Here's hoping. Atb paddy 👍☘️😃
Also the value of the pound makes it hard for anyone trying to make anything at a competitive price . Is that not what happened to the industry in the first place
Yes, I agree that it's a shame the British aren't a force in the knife world anymore. I remember when Sheffield steel meant something.
Who better than a Brit to design a decent legal carry which takes into account British tastes and traditions.
But then again it has to be competitive. I wouldn't pay over the odds for a knife just because it was British. Neither would I risk £100 on a company with shoddy quality control.
I have an Otter Messer and it's a good knife at a decent price.
I would TOTALLY B Happy to import across the Shuck to the Colonies a 🔪 of which U speak 👍👍
You should do a video on your favorite traditional patterns, Tobias Gibson of knife chats has made two and they are very interesting
I've recently done a couple one on gecs and a mixed one. Not to long ago I'll probably do another next week with some more. Atb paddy 👍☘️😃
Hi Paddy,
You won't remember, but this was exactly the point that I was trying to make with you years ago. Take care and ATB . Alan
Great idea
Now that you mention it, I have knives from a lot of different countries, but none made in the UK. I would love to buy a UK made knife. Would you be able to suggest some good makers?
My Brother 1508 arrived yesterday.Great Wharncliffe blade and beautiful white bone handle.If Mr Ohta kan make them for 60 pound in Japan why can't the British knife makers make a decent Barlow for that price? (60-100)
I love that you'll support a good honest knifemaker, let's just not make this a nationalist matter. You have a responsibility as a leader of opinion. We know what happened in Germany some 90 yrs. ago. Be careful my friend.
There's nothing political here whatsoever I buy from every corner of the earth. Atb paddy 👍☘️😃
Great offer, excited to see what happens
Once again iv saddly coming from Sheffield and loving Sheffield knives gotta agree with you paddy the quality just isn't there apart from the odd guy like Steven cocker , that's why I just love the vintage ones like George wolstenholm you know they have stood the test of time , cheers paddy ✋
Hi paddy, Are you a member of Edgematters.co.uk? If not you should join it s great way to push the English thing.
It costs me £100 just in materials and abrasives alone to make a slip joint.
Thanks for responding mate the figure was arbitrary, as you might guess I'm no expert. I still think our makers could use social media like CZcams to promote their work. If the product is good enough it will sell,and get the message out that we can make a good product. Atb paddy 👍😃☘️
@@paddyspotatopeelers2154 Good luck with the channel! Instagram @ masonknives
I am glad someone stated the obvious. When you add together the cost of raw materials, overheads and skilled craftsmen taking a wage, a good quality knife for £100 is a pipe dream, outside mass production. As I see things, if people can pay the labour rates at their local garage, pay a plumber £250 for an eight our shift (plus materials) or pay Seiko £300 for a mass produced automatic watch, why would they not expect to pay figures commensurate with those for a quality hand made knife from a British knifemaker?
Good on you paddy, I hope some one takes you up on the offer. I did the same after watching Al's Shing vid. I even went as far as asking for a quote on a recurve model, but the website hadn't been updated since 2006 so not expecting an answer.🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🔪🔪🔪🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Hope a company takes You up on the idea, cheers Paddy
Thanks Scott. Atb paddy 👍☘️😃
Are there no British Cutlery companies?
Would be great if they made a "Patty" Sterling! Then one day we can look forward to seeing it being used in a James Bond movie.
Lol🤣🤣🤣🤣Atb paddy 👍☘️😃
Which organisation is fighting to change UK knife laws to allow more freedom ?
Germany, Switzerland Sweden and France, Finland all make great traditional knives. Britain seems to have lost the tradition.
Sorry Paddy it would never be worth a uk knife maker the gamble to build a quality knife.
Just no market for them at all .just my opinion mind.
They wouldn’t have the patiance and high tolerance anymore like before.
Any Brit who is a bit of a collecter would buy Chinese.and save the spare change for the pub lol.
ATB
Rob
Buy British
Paddy do me a favor and find a local blacksmith and get them to make you a custom friction folder.
You will never want to buy a production knife again in your life!
You think that production knives are a bad bug to be bitten by? Go ahead and buy a custom and you will start finding things to sell to buy knives.
Or buy South African if you cant find something decent across the shock😂😂
AtB
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We pay £45 for a good folder, N690 bohler steel in G10 and they are all amazing!
Production time 6 months tho😭
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