I Traded My Vulcan S - Here’s Why - The Things I Didn’t Like About It
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- čas přidán 24. 03. 2020
- Talking about trading my Vulcan S in on my new Harley Street Bob. The Vulcan was a great bike! But when the time comes to move on to other things, we do what we will. In this video I tell you the things I didn’t like about the Vulcan S. However, I still think it’s a great bike.
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I had my first 2015 Vulcan S for about two and a half years then traded it for an Indian Scout which I kept for again about two and a half years. 2 weeks ago I traded the Scout in for a 2020 Vulcan S :D
Lol, full circle.
Matt W how do it compare to the Scout? I'm thinking about a Scout 60 but would like the bigger engined version if I could find a good used one that I could afford. But I don't know anaything about them except they're nice to sit on. Lol
Well If ya want to get something else ya gotta do it.
@@kencohagen4967 It's like GWG said in the video, the Vulcan S is essentially a sports bike in cruiser clothing so it depends if you want a cruiser that is a traditional V twin that enjoys chugging about at low speed then V twin is the one. Personally I missed the little hooligan personality of the Vulcan S hence why I went back to one. Don't get me wrong, the Scout can also move like shit off a shovel but the Vulcan S is a bit more nimble in my opinion. Both fantastic bikes once they have a decent aftermarket set of pipes on them.
I own a 2016 Vulcan S and I think I would be tempted to trade it in if they ever make a Honda Rebel 1000 (off of the CBR 1000 engine) or a Vulcan S 1000 (off of the Ninja 1000 engine).
Wanting and getting a new bike I think is called ‘target fixation’. You always end up where you focus.
Hey Man...... its YOUR channel. I have to admit, I came for the Vulcan. That said, I subscribed and will be staying around because of you. You are a good guy. You make enjoyable, entertaining, high quality videos with good content for any level or rider. See ya' next video!
I don't watch your channel for the bike, but for your style and the interesting tips you're putting out there. Restarted riding after a while and I needed those. Enjoy your HO. Cheers V.
Always loved your content! All those chill rides, stories and experiences! Haven't been able to ride for a couple of weeks now since almost everything is on lockdown. Safe rides brother 🏍💕
I ride a Vulcan 900 Classic and came across your channel because of the Vulcan connection. The reason I subscribe is because of the high quality of you vlogging!! You made the right decision with the Street Bob. Best of luck with the new bike... she’s a beauty!
I first came for the vulcan videos, but I'm staying because of you
Don't ever feel like you have to justify yourself to us. You stated valid reasons for why you traded your Vulcan S. It was your bike and if you are happy with your choice then ride in peace. That HD is a beautiful ride. Enjoy making it truly your's. Ride safe and ride often!
I have a 2016 Vulcan S and it's my first bike. I love it and don't see myself getting rid of it anytime soon, but I do understand why you would get a different bike and don't resent you for it. As for aftermarket stuff, if you dig a little you can find a decent amount of things to put on it. For example I didn't like the stock exhaust so I looked for a replacement. After a few videos and forums I got a Delkevic DL-10 full exhaust system for around $400 if my memory proves correct. I like the sound and crackle it makes. The R&G tail tidy looks amazing as well. I also added LED Headlights to the front (including the little bulb above the main headlight). All in all, if you dig hard enough you can find thing to make the Vulcan S your own. Just my 2 cents. I'll keep watching your videos no matter what you ride.
Can’t wait to get my own Vulcan! Have fun man.
Fair play mate. Still in love with my Vulcan. But i see where you are coming from. I'll continue to watch your channel..
Congrats on your new ride! Welcome to the family😎
I found your channel because of you Vulcan S, but it’s you content that keeps me hear. I hope I can keep it when I upgrade to a bagger, but I won’t have it forever.
Street glide
Kind of digging either road king or road glide. Just deciding if I want the full fairing.
you seem like a mechanical guy; I'm sure you'll be happy w/ the Harley. for most ppl though I think the reliability of Harleys can be tough esp. for a new rider.
R DS unless you’re riding a 1970s shovelhead Harley there are no reliability issues lol. I’ve had several modern Harley’s and never a single hiccup
Guessing you have to re-shoot that into now :) Congrats on the Street Bob, hopefully picking mine up this week. I started watching you because of the Vulcan, so sad to see it go, but glad you are happy with the Harley. Can't wait to see what you do with it. Edited to add: One of the biggest failings of the Vulcan is the (relative) lack of aftermarket support, especially when compared to the Harley--nothing beats them for aftermarket support.
I know exactly what you are saying.
I'm enjoying my first Harley after 40 years of Japanese and European bikes . I have a KTM 1090 and a Harley superglide now and the Harley is the one I think of and just stare at when I'm not riding it . They just get to you !
Thanks for this video. Very interesting listening to your story. I've had my new Vulcan s for 6 weeks now. This is my first bike ever and I have nothing to compare it to. I'm a learner and will have this bike for the next two years before I can legally upgrade, and yes, I'm already looking at a HD. Don't know which one just yet and i'm sure their bikes will be very different in 2 years. As a beginner, I've learnt a lot from your videos. Thanks for your invaluable knowledge and wisdom. Look forward to watching future vids.
I think in two years Harley will still be making the current lineup. They don’t change very often. This newest generation of Softail models are really great. All new from the ground up and very refined.
I started on an HD, but I don’t recommend any of them as a starter bike. The Vulcan S is a solid bike for anyone, hardly anyone into bikes will ever stay with one brand. Why would you!? There are so many great bikes to buy, sell, customize, swap! The secret to riding is to ride. The rest, details.
R&G makes a lot of customization parts for the Vulcan S that are very inexpensive versus what it will cost you for a Harley. Delkavic exhaust, Puig cafe screen, R&G Tiny Tail, R&G radiator cover all in for around $800. You kept your Grom yet traded your Vulcan S, sad.
Your videos are great , I highly doubt you will lose subscribers. If you lose a few, let them have their hissy fits. Those aren't the subscribers you want. We all share a passion for riding. Who cares what make, model , etc. It's about the common bond of being on 2 wheels and experiencing the feeling one gets from riding. I am happy for you and now you have sparked my interest. Keep up your great content. Be well, be safe and ATGATT. ☮️
Thanks for the words, and continued support, Paul. 👍🏻
I did come for the Vulcan, but your content made me stay ✌️
Don't necessarily agree with your comment about resale value... the KVS bike new is only 7.5k. Your harley is double that and sounds like you want to customize for another 2 to 3k. If you're going to resell that HD later, you're going to take a huge hit on a saturated HD resale market
Probably true
Actually, oven been following for a while and I was thinking that you’re a great vlogger that I hoped would ride more Harleys. 😃
I discovered this channel looking for Vulcan reviews after I fell in love with a new one at a local dealer. But I'm not mad or gonna hold it against you that you traded it. I understand in life we want new things or new experiences and if something comes along that catches our attention and we want to pursue it, you've got to do what you need to do to adjust your life. Plus I'm sure if you had the same two or three bikes on a motovlog channel, that would probably get stale for you.
First it whas the vulcan, now the Harley and your videos. Keep UP the good work 👍love the Harley, congrats... And good luck
I’ve owned many other bikes. All of them were fun. Different styles. When I got my first Harley, a softail. The raw connection I feel on a Harley. The grin I can’t wipe off my face when I’m riding. I know there’s other bikes that are faster, better handling, blah, blah, blah. My bike has great torque and power. Like a freight train. Enjoy your bike and ride safe
I have a Vulcan Vaquero 1700. There were a few aftermarket options and I added slip on, mini apes, grips but not to much. Had to have the ECM reflashed to make it run decent. It runs good, feels a bit plasticky but the price was right. The resale value seems to hold alright but not like a Harley. I plan to put all my bucket list rides on this bike then maybe pulling the trigger on the twice as expensive comparable Harley which would be a Road Glide. Anyhow congrats on your Bobber.
Agree. I love metrics but they simply do not appreciate in value the way Harleys do. Like you said, you could dump another thousand into the Vulcan to get it set up nice but you'd still only be able to sell it for probably less than what you originally paid for it. This is why I highly recommend buying a used metric that someone has ALREADY done the modifications that you would want to do.
You had me 99% convinced to get the Vulcan S. Until I found my Yamaha Bolt. Love at first ride. Comfy as hell and pulls great. And the aftermarket for it is ridiculous. Soooo much customization available. I love it. Already ordering parts to make her my own. So I get wanting something that could be "yours".
It's a shame they don't come with ABS
As always, I admired your way of thinking, lifestyle and knowledge,,,,be safe my friend, I hope sometime in the future I'll make a nice trip to the states,,,take a bike and will come to visit you ,,,bo need to mention that only if it suits you ,,,all the best my friend ✌
Great bike. I'm going to stick with you. Ride safe and congratulation on your new ride. God bless
Dude, I get it. I loved my 2015 Kawasaki Vulcan S, but I wanted something new after a while so I bought a 2nd bike. I now ride my Harley Davidson Street Rod exclusively and sold the Vulcan S. I like it but I am still window shopping here and there. These are toys and ideally I would own a whole bunch of different motorcycles but I don't have enough room in my garage so I have to sacrifice toys here and there. It is what it is. Everything seems fun!
A solid video. Many great points. As you stated. Anything that's considered transportation ( car / motorcycle ) will drop value. But it's not all about that. It's about the vehicle exciting you. Having a soul. And only Harley has that. And now you know what I mean because we both own Harley's. 🤘🏻
Do you own a gremlin bell for every bike you ride? If so, how long do you wait before you put one on?
Have fun with your Harley 👍
40 years of owning and riding bikes...V Twins, Dual Sports, In-line 4 Honda’s, Dirt Bikes. How a 650 pound Yamaha FJR became my all time favorite that still amazes me after every ride. Silky smooth, Rocketship power, Sport Bike handling, load it up and Cross a Country...spend time in a Parking lot and practice low speed maneuvers and 650 pounds melts away. Tried a Harley, not even in the same league, but Hey, enjoy what you ride.
I had a FJR a few years ago and your right nice bike but dint like the riding position traded it in for a new street glide think I’ll stick with the HD
The Harley Street Bob is a great bike. You made the right choice. Trading in your Vulcan . It can be difficult sometimes letting go of a bike . They become a part of who we are . That street bob is a blank canvas. They are one of the best and most customizable Harleys . Congrats. And good luck. Everyone ride safe
I bought a leftover Star 1300 in 2014. Paid half price for the bike, put Star bags, windshield and crash bars on it. Rode it one season and loved everything but the exhaust and the seat. Found that it wasn’t cost affective to change the seat and exhaust so I bought an aftermarket gel seat cover. I really liked the bike, had enough power, good brakes handled ok for a cruiser, but then I found a great deal on a Road King, it’s the best HARLEY-DAVIDSON I have ever ridden. Got very little for the V Star but I love the RK.
Congratulations on the new ride enjoy. I looked at the Street Glide but decided on a new Goldwing. Ride what you want.
That's a pretty cool color on that harley, you got a great looking bike bro, I absolutely love my '86 Honda shadow 500 but I think it's getting time to upgrade, hard thing is I don't want to let my shadow go as it is my first bike and has sentimental value to me.
It's easy enough to justify owning 2 bikes. The shadow 500 makes for a good urban bike. Maybe consider something more suited to longer trips as its stable mate.
Sure like your channel! Very informative and you're a great narrator! Not showing your face adds an element of mystery. I will be waiting for the day you (maybe) reveal yourself. I never realized how nice the Yakima area is until watching your rides!
I’m in front of the camera in one of my videos, but I try not to make a habit of it. People come to see motorcycles, not my face! 😆 Thanks for watching!
Love your attitude and your reasons for trading are the same reason I want to buy another Harley but keep my Vulcan to contrast the two.
Hey everyone moves on! Not sure if I can justify spending $14,600 for a bike with single-disk front brake and hardly any features, but it's all about what you like and smiles per mile! Make sure to post lots of videos on the new ride 🤙
Dude I agree with you all your points. And you don’t have to apologize. We come here for the scootin’. The good thing about harleys is that no two are alike. No two could ever be personalized the same. That motor in yours combined with the light weight is aces! You can feel the quality in the harleys. Expensive? Yes but worth it? Yes for the most part. Great video keep up the content!
Your call dude but sounds like you didn’t do much research, there’s plenty options for the Vulcan and the sluggishness can be resolved with a Booster Plug. Enjoy the Harley!
I can understand how you feel. The bike I have now is a 1998 zx6r and I love it......But it definitely is not a ride around all day kinda bike. Thanks for all the info on the Vulcan s. I might start looking at them a little more now 😉.
What gloves are you using? I need a pair of those. Look very nice.
Honest, word, impressions and opinions change. Your HD Bob is nice I know you will have a blast and like you said anticipate that next ride.
I did the same exact thing . I had a brand new Kawasaki Nomad which I called a Harley Road King Want-a-Be . I had the Nomad for One year to the day . I actually looked at the sales receipt the day I sold it .
Anyway I went and ordered the Road King and never looked back .
Good luck with you’re new Harley . You’ll enjoy it I’m sure . Be Safe . Keep the rubber side down , shinny side up . And don’t ride faster than you’re Guardian Angel 👼 can fly ...
One thing you will not see , ever , a Harley owner making excuses for what he , or she rides . It becomes your life , your soul becomes part of the machine , so to speak . You will love that H-D bike you have , don't second guess your self , watch my channel , you'll see , these turds are addictive , and you'll be consumed by this new thing , in a great way , ride safe , have fun .
To bad, you have to be happy! Time to move on... Enjoy your new ride and be safe too....👍
Get the sundowner seat. It is awesome for you and your passenger. Very comfortable
Hey, thanks for your awesome videos !!! I'm considering to buy a bike and I'm a beginner... Could you suggest the best cruiser for me ? My choice so far: Rebel 500/Vulcan S or maybe smth else that I don't know yet. As a beginner, I would prefer cruiser. Thanks!
Both the bikes you mention are excellent for beginners.
I started out on a Honda Rebel 500 it's a really good bike. Maintenance is easy, It's lite and nimble and you have that Honda reliability. It does have it's shortcomings though. Because it's so lite the wind is gonna push you around, and there's a slowly growing aftermarket for it. Not that many options, essentially my Rebel ended up looking like every other Rebel on the road or internet. So I ended up trading it in for a Harley Davidson Sportster.
I had a Kawasaki Vulcan 1600 Classic and I had some good times with it and even took some long rides with it. I agree with your point, there was very little I could do to personalize it. On top of that it was very top heavy which made it hard for slow maneuvers. Unlike you, I was not a fan of the Vulcan S though and I traded mine in for a Road King which I will pick up this weekend.
You'll love the hell out of the Harley.
Good video. I'm the exact same way - if what I have doesn't excite me anymore, I sell it and move on. I have a vulcan s right now. My 9th motorcycle and it's already up for sale after a year. Was also looking at the street Bob. Nice looking bike
When you say it wants to scream at low speeds, can you explain? I really like the way it looks, but I REALLY hate when my bike sounds like it's screaming and i'm only going 35 mph-45 mph.. Literally stresses me out , like im breaking the bike lol.... IS THAT WHAT IT DOES? D:
No, it does NOT actually break the bike. If anything constantly testing the top speed would break it b4 that. But even still, not likely.
Emotions is a very complex thing; it's interesting the way you feel about Harley Davidsons in the sense that you day dream about riding it when you're out somewhere. The way I would feel about a Kawasaki Vulcan S is how good it is for the price and how it can take a beating and still keep going. I love to see a few battle scars on the things I own.
Came due to the Vulcan, still stay due to the man riding the bike.
I really wanted the Vulcan, but as it would have been my very first bike I decided to go with a Yamaha Xsr700 as I thought it would be more user friendly for a newbie. Sat on a vulcan a few days ago and glad I didn't get it due to its seating and ergos.
Hi,can i ask you how is harley different from Vulcan s on dimensions,i ride a Vulcan,like to buy a street bob
last week i watch your vlog saying why you didn't get a harley ib favor of vulcan due to pricing, etc. a week after your driving a harley.... i also dream of the street bob... it must be a really awesome bike for you to get it... congratulations :)
Good input about the Kawasaki on additional items....to make it your own...
Harleys are aspirational bikes, that's it. They are designed, built and advertised to become an object of desire. Sometimes it's not a matter of what you have, but the thoughts you have about it.
I currently own a Yamaha Super Tenere. A left over from 2013, that I pu in Jan 2016, new in the crate. Instead of $14k+, it was $8888. No set up/freight fees etc. I still own it, and it's still under warranty. I'm gonna keep it, but I'm looking for a 2nd bike now. Sooo many models to choose from!!😎....👍😺
Fascinating: it's like a love affair. One day you wake up and something has flipped. You see that person in a whole different light. The rose colored spectacles come off. Whatever that magic chemistry, that obsession that first fuels the attraction. It disappears. To my eye the Vulcan S looks amazing. I don't get that same sense from the HD. And that's how it should be. Each to their own. I don't own either bike.
Hey, we all ride what we like. Respect to people's choice. That said, I would not ride a Vulcan or a HD. Do enjoy your ride of choice as much as I enjoy my ride of preference. Congratulations on your new ride. Cheers!
My first bike was a 2015 Vulcan S. I really enjoyed that bike. However, for long distance it was not good plus I looked weird when riding with my club buddies. I sold it and bought a bigger cruiser. Still miss it at times.
I have a custom bike , Harley powered. It’s turned me off of all other bikes. I didn’t expect that. I’ll get another bike...but it will be a Harley.
I came and sub to the channel coz of the Vulcan, but I will stick around coz like your content. A little dissapointed, but is life, just keep the good work.
I've been riding 6 years. I'm on my 4th bike which happens to be a Vulcan s 650. I get the drive behind wanting something different all the time. I started with a boulevard m50, then a Honda fury, then a Vulcan 800 bobber. The Vulcan s has been the best bike of the bunch....but as always, I'm always looking for the next ride. It'll most likely be a vrod muscle.
As far as personalizing the Vulcan....if you have some skill you can do anything you the bike. Mine has a chopped rear fender, custom tail light, turn signals, side mount plate, light bar and soon to be a headlight upgrade. So there are things you can do....just not exactly plug and play.
Yea I was surprised when he said that. Makes me think he didn’t really know about the Vulcan S as much as he’d like to believe.
I'm thinking of getting a Vulcan S as a first (post 125cc) bike.
I’ve had Suzukis Yamaha‘s and Kawasaki‘s and then I went out and bought a brand new Harley streetglide… Besides the Yamaha raider the streetglide is the coolest bike I’ve ever had… And it runs awesome never had one problem with it
What I find humorous is that your reasoning for trading would be my reasons for getting one. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, though I hope you don’t feel like you have to justify your decisions. So…after the fact, what do you think now? Anything you would do differently? All the best.
You can customize a Vulcan 900 with imaginations & custom work. I notice the bikes that are broken down on the side of the roads are Harely
Sold my Fat Bob 114 and got the Vulcan S. Think it’s the perfect bike if you want a custom bike that rides like a sports bike. Heaps of fun! I felt awesome riding the Fat Bob but not 10k more expensive awesome. But as you say we never truly settle for one bike but I wish I could someday. Moro Guzzis seem to be one of those brands 😀
Owned a few Vulcans back in the early 90's, and also switched to Harley Davidson. Never looked back.
Nice bike! Congrats! Looks like you'll need to change your opening to show new HD! ;-)
Had mine vulcan for 5yrs and still going strong. FYI there's plenty of mods if you know where to look and with all mods it's still cheaper than a hd. most hd's looks boring or just expensive
What do you think of the Vulcan 900?
I got a Delkevic exhaust for my Vulcan S for like $380.... I don't think you looked very hard.
You can get exhaust for 60-70 usd if you look little, i buy my exhaust for my Z650 for 65 USD.
“Sports bike with ergonomics of a cruiser.” And, you’re spot on. It’s not a bad thing. But it’s not the same thing. Concur. I came to your channel because of your Vulcan. I’ll stay for other reasons. I’m very curious about your reasons for trading it because I want a bike like the Vulcan s. Do your reasons for trading resonate with me? Actually, no. I like it stock. I like the performance aspect. So, I’m loving what you’re saying. So thanks. And I’ll tune in even though HD isn’t on my radar. Ride safe.
You upgraded to a bike that's more your style. Enjoy it🏄♂️🏄♂️🏄♂️
That is the same bike I am considering trading my Vulcan S for. Have fun riding
I skipped the Vulcan and got a Harley Sport Glide. No reason for me to ever trade in that for anything. Love it.
lol the inside visor itch, a true nemesis !
I have been a motorcycle guy since 1969, never owned a Harley Davidson. It will be my next bike. My last ride was a Triumph Thunderbird, a 1700cc cruiser. It was a nice ride. However, almost zero aftermarket. The dealer could not get me luggage rack. Got rid of the Triumph. Have my eye on the HD softail standard.
Had a Rebel 300 for commuting, bought 2018 Street Bob for weekend rides
sold it in Oct 2019, gave Rebel to my dad, got a new CB650R since Christmas 2019
Softail is just too big and heavy for me. And Sportsters aren’t as good as M8, so back to naked bike for now
Maybe will consider Bronx 975 if no new generation of Sportster come out
I gained 150lbs over the Vulcan S by switching and honestly, once in motion, I can’t tell the difference!
I loved the Street Bob, but living in Bangkok is quite rough having to lane split and parking in tight places all the time.
It is just too tiring and inconvenience having anything bigger than Sportsters size. My friend on a Vulcan S sold his and got a Triumph T 120 instead.
How do you like the Harley compared to the Vulcan S
I used to want to put my wife on the back of my bike. Been married for 16 years now, so it was just easier to buy a bike for her instead.
I thought you were going to say something like... so I can hit some unexpected wheelies.
Barry Bamb [MESSAGE DELETED BY CZcams] well, that way, if she hurts herself, it’s not my fault 😉
A lot of people I know would like to put their wife under the bike.
Very sad you got rid of the Vulcan s the main reason I watched your channel. I think the Vulcan s so unique that you dont need to change it unlike Harley's as soon as you get it you reaching your pocket to change it
wow!!! i never really cared for harleys . but you made me want to go out an buy one. damn !! your good dude.!
Very interesting comment about how playing with Legos could be a factor in personalizing things!
I'm buying a 2020 softail standard March 31st for my son
Thats the bike I want to get, it's the perfect blank slate and simple. My better half is not a fan of me getting any motorcycle though. :(
thanks for being honest about it. i ride the vulcan S myself and have kinda the same thoughts....incredible bike, bud after a few years you are thinking about buying another, something more chill
Love everything about my Vulcan S except the low cruiser style seating position. Probably trading for a more comfortable upright this year.
No speedo or rpm Guage? Gas?
You made me want that Vulcan S more.
You didn't like the headlight either. The other cosmetic thing I don't like is the rear fender looks like it's way to big for the wheel, like it's supposed to have a larger diameter tire on it and somebody swapper it for a smaller wheel and tire for some strange reason, but it just wasn't balanced. Of the two, I like the Yamaha Bolt much much better. The Bolt may not hold much value down the road, but it's cheap to begin with.
You traded your Vulcan S for a Street Bob. Once you ride a Harley, it's very difficult to fall back and ride anything else. Unless you are like myself, owning a multitude of motorcycles. I traded a boat I had never used for a 2018 Vulcan S in like new condition. I will add a few upgrades to the Vulcan S and ride it a little while. I am going to use it as a bartering tool, along with a 2011 KLR650 in mint condition and a 2010 street legal customized Yamaha Raptor. I am looking for a Harley Davidson Pan America or a Harley Fat Bob. I already own a 2020 HD Ultra Limited in Scorched Orange and Flux Metal gray paint job. It has every option available along with the Black Out option and Rhinehart mufflers. I've got a few other bikes which I am keeping. The other Harley I may search for is a V-Rod, then I'll keep my KLR650. I really don't need the Vulcan S, and I hardly ever ride the Raptor. Another Harley is what I need.
Noooo! Just have 2 bikes!
A part of me dies every time someone trades in a dependable Japanese bike for a Harley. Every time that Harley dumps oil or any of the other frequent issues those things have, you'll wish you had a backup.
The new M8 engines are quite a leap in reliability compared to the older Harley models. I’m not worried.
He has 2 125cc Japanese bikes as backups!
Exactly my thoughts! I too feel the pain when someone trades in Japanese Bikes ( known for performance, technology, refinement and reliability) for Harleys ( becoming quite infamous these days for the lack of the same ) ! That I’m a Vulcan S owner is adding to the pain !
I'm not a Harley expert, but I've heard the recent bikes are very dependable. I'm personally on the lookout for an 883 Sporty that I can get cheap, and put on a Hammer Performance 1250 kit. Harleys are that way, you can do a lot of tinkering, which is great fun.
@@sathishrao7926 how gross are u guys, baggin on guys for rumours about reliability because our bikes make your girlfriend's look back when we ride away;)
I think it's all about the X factor. You have to open that garage door and fall in love every time you see your bike
You keep arguing against your own points