2 stroke V8 swapped Datsun wagon
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- čas přidán 11. 07. 2023
- In this video we pick a 3.6L Johnson/Evinrude 250 V8. The engine is a 3.6 liter 2 stroke v8 outboard boat engine. For the car it'll power. We wanted something small and light, this Datsun 510 Wagon was the perfect candidate for the swap!
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PUT EXPANSION CHAMBERS ON IT. YOU'LL PICK UP AROUND 75HP. YOU HAVE A LOT OF COOL THINGS SITTING AROUND!
Aircraft two strokes tended not to have- More torque? The Scott 500 two stroke has a straight pipe..
Looks to me like space might be an issue. Those chambers just about double the size of the v8
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space definitely gonna be an issue
Chambers would be extremely hard to do as the exhaust ports are inside that centre exhaust tube.
I've owned two Datsun 510 wagons in my life (and still have a 510 2 door). The 2 and 4 door Datsun 510's have the semi trailing arm independent rear suspension. The wagons have the solid rear. axle as you noticed. All have a common front suspension. The 68/69 510's had a different dash and 68's had Howdy Doody wipers. My guess is yours is is a 70-72. the 73's had big chunks of rubber on the bumpers. That car has a LOT of rust. Hope you are able to fulfill this dream. Take care of your wife and baby. They are more precious than any car or engine.
looks like my uncle's ( airforce or other navy ) car right down to the rusty bits but i haven't seen it since about 2002-09 parked in my grandpa ( WW2 vet navy RIP-2013~ ) back 40 and him saying get it moved ( or crush the D-thing, was parked there for less than 2 years ) of my land as a dead-car aka it didn't run i don't know 🤷♂🤔why as i was and still is interested more in my 80's truck K1500 parked in his driveway in 2006~ i own it nowadays, as well as a charger, i only remember it as it was in the way and it stared family fudging/fighting
so if its the same car it's been over sea's/foreign ( Germany 🇩🇪 romsteed AFB or Honolulu hi different uncle ) a couple of times and spent some time in minasoda/missile base's/Arctic hence the salt-rot plus being in Texas shoreline and Idaho/Utah-40-parking combos and raising 2-12 kids plus junk-food-ect
The part beneath the engine is known as the midsection / exhaust housing.
Those black electronic doohickeys you were talking about are VRO pumps, they automatically mix the two stroke oil with the gas so that you don't have to although they were kind of problematic and best if they're just deleted all together.
I have quite a bit of experience with two stroke engines and marine engines in general as I am a marine mechanic on the side, those are pretty cool engines and they sound pretty cool but they really don't make a lot of power and it's all super high RPM power. You need to take this into account with your gear ratios.
Those engines also really don't have a thrust bearing per se so if you're planning on using a manual transmission you will destroy the engine if you put any thrust loading against the crankshaft.
That ignition system does not require any external power to produce spark, there's a stator underneath the flywheel that generates electricity to power the system, that black box on top that has all the wires under it is the ignition control module.
On two stroke engines like that one, timing advance is almost more important than the actual opening of the throttle plates on the carburetors, The ignition pickup underneath the flywheel moves with the throttle linkage to advance the timing and the relationship between the movement of the pickup and the opening of the butterflies is very critical.
Thank you for this info, I am planning on running a 4L60e Automatic behind it. It being a 2 stroke I kinda anticipated the low torque, the car being light I think a 3.73 gear will do good since the tire diameter is also really small, making the engine have to work less to get the car moving.
@@hartwickperformance That transmission should work fine, but you're going to need a really high stall converter to take advantage of the high RPM power band.
You can run fuel injection with that engine no problem but you need to retain the reed valves underneath where the round cab ports are like where the screw fell those are critical to it being able to scavenge and run.
Also like I said before you need to retain the ignition advance mechanism so that linkage on the side that you said you were going to remove you kind of have to keep that and it has to be synced with the throttle butterflies in a very specific way or you won't get anywhere near the maximum amount of power out of it.
This is not like a four-stroke where you can just open the throttle butterfly and let a distributor advance the ignition timing automatically.
Also that exhaust manifold that's on top where the intake would be on a normal engine is water cooled and that needs to be incorporated into the cooling system, you really need to run some sort of expansion chamber for it to scavenge properly as well (like the big bulbous ones you see on two-stroke dirt bikes, it doesn't have to be that elaborate but it does need some sort of expansion chamber)
@lustfulvengance Do you think he will have a problem with the side-draught carbs with the engine mounted longitudinally? I am familiar with two strokes, but not vertically set marine types. Where would the float bowls be located, and will the floats work sideways? I remember this being a problem for World War 2 Spitfire engines.
@@TorquilBletchleySmythe I kind of want to see a build where the outboard engine is mounted in the proper vertical position, with a coupler replacing the prop/screw to the transmission input.
@2000freefuel interesting...
A friend of mine in Lake Havasu AZ had one of these outboards in a 21' Eliminator. It was a blast capable of 90-95knots with the two of us in it. The engine sounded like a V12 car engine when warming it up. We could burn 40 gallons of fuel in one hour if we had a heavy right foot.
What does a hefty foot to do with fuel consumption while talking boats... Can you elaborate?
@@Jahee-Official Really? In many smaller boats, throttle is operated with a foot pedal, just like a car.
@@dkjens0705 its obvious this kid was born this century, and doesn't even know what a "lead foot" means, which is applicable to anything with a throttle.
Now all we will have is bubble cars with hydrogen 2 strokes! brapppp
This channel is underrated, thats a sweet idea. 👍
Seen this done to an old Volvo a few years back. Sounded insane!
RUDEZON!!!!!! I haven't seen any progress on that project in a few years, I hope it didn't get scrapped.
I saw that Volvo too and it is a beast, all bare metal body.
You've definitely got a knack for interesting builds ... I like yer' style 👍
Thank you! I cant wait to get this car driving to events for everyone to get to see in person!
One of my all time bucket list projects! Grew up at my grandfather's Johnson Evinrude dealership. We have some parts around, so let me know if there's anything you're looking for. Good chance we have manuals around too. Best of luck, I'll be keeping up with this one!
It definitely is a cool build and those engines sound so unique! I'd love to acquire 1 to 2 more engines and set them up the same as this one for back ups in case one blows up while touring/racing the car.
@@hartwickperformance As a retired South African Boer I subbed only cause this was once an idea I wanted to do but never found a V8 Evinrude here in South Africa.
Looking forward to see how you progress.
@@hartwickperformance all the bolts are stainless..,
@@hartwickperformance daaaaatsun.. 2 stroke diesels illegal.. like 2 stroke trail bikes.. blame the epa & greenies.. 2 stroke diesel, brilliant engines.. power plus.. ausie..
@@pieterbezuidenhout2741I’ve got 2 v8 Johnson’s here in South Africa
Dude brought the whole family to the boat engine purchase lmfao, great build
Stoked to see what you do with this!
It's funny, I was born in ft. Lauderdale Florida, and when I was 5 years old had to move to Jersey. When I was 19 I decided to move back,
Mitt 55// mlm and I rode down there on an 11 ft long Chopper. When I got to Jacksonville, the first thing I saw was an overturned truck on fire. It looked like a war zone! I thought, what am I getting myself into😂😂😂😂
I'm glad I came back I should have never left, I love it here❤
cars that look like you drew them in kindergarten don't get enough appreciation
Hi I’m Grant from Australia Just discovered your channel have gone back and started watching the mustang build such a n inspiration watching you fix the old mustang. I’m currently building a 1971 xy falcon and have been struggling with motivation the amount of work you’ve put into it is amazing. Keep up the fantastic work.
As someone who works out in the heat in the sun all day one thing I can tell you is a great thing to add to your wardrobe is a moisture wicking sports tank top. Tight-fitting polybase tank top that's made to taking sweat and evaporate it. Where does an undershirt and it'll keep your overshirt dry. And then whenever you're hot if you take your over shirt off and stand in front of a fan it'll help cool you down quicker
G'day putting a crazy boat engine in a car is definitely on my bucket list. So I am looking forward to watching this build mate
Those are seriously collectible cars! Definitely worth saving and having fun and taking to a few shows with a wild engine! Have fun!
Better man than me. Enjoying the build can’t wait to find out how you match up trans and seal water passages. Great job
I had a 71 model Datsun pickup truck with a 289 ford engine & automatic transmission in it when I was a teenager. Looking at the grill of that car it's very similar to what my pickup looked like. We cut a lot of the transmission tunnel out at the firewall and rebuilt it with sheet metal to have room for the engine and bell housing to fit. It was a good driving powerful little pickup truck.
I'm guessing those tweekers are in your backyard also, but you just haven't noticed them yet.😉
Those are the fuel pumps. Omc calls them a VRO pump or variable ratio oiler. Most people bypass the oil part and just use premix.
This is going to be an interesting build.
Man I can't wait on the next video.. Great job 👍👏
Interesting build, can't wait to hear it with exhaust.
Drug attics at one was hard working.sometimes things happen before they knew it things went south in there life..great channel keep rolling..
Thats so cool. A boat motor!
My brother put a jet engine in my moms car, and the chicks really dig him. Blonde ones, with big ole mammory glands on them too!
I'm going to watch more of your videos. I like that silver car too.
Keep up the great work brotha..
Thanks man!
"We'll be watching your career with great interest"
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Oh Thank God, I’ve been waiting for a video like this!!!!
“…and I thought…number one: it’s awesome…” best quote ever!👍😉
Under rated Channel, definitely some awesome builds and projects you got going!
Such a talent my son has
You need to start planning on the expansion chamber exhaust! It will add power and dictate what type of power curve it has ! This thing is going to be amazing!!
Neato!
Get ready to do a TON of machine work because making the Evinrude V8 work in an automotive world you will need a lot of custom parts for cooling, transmission mounting, induction etc. I know a guy who used the same engine in off road buggy racing and the amount of machine work and one off parts was insane.
I had no idea there are V8 two strokes out there LOL. I'd imagine that the torque on those things must be crazy! But I guess I'll never know except through this video. Thank you! I think those are the wrong seats for it but I'm not there to say for sure.
Can’t wait till you finish this is cool
AHH HELL YEAH!!! that is an awesome idea! I have always wondered why nobody has ever done this.... maybe I will find out. I'll be watching this!
I owned a couple of the 510's in NZ, one being a left-hand drive wagon imported from Canada.
I sold it to a Japanese guy who exported it back to Japan.
Here, we drive on the "wrong"side of the road, but I got my license in NZ in my Dad's '72 Chev Concours wagon he brought back from Illinois.
Anyhoo, as I believe is said in Canada, the 510 was/is a great car.
I'd have another one anytime.
Waiting to see what you create!
Can’t wait to see this done brother
Dustin's going to be cool when the motor's in there thumbs up for doing this
That’s going to be a bad ass ride after it’s finished!
My 510 had more rust than that, you'll do fine. Just start replacing sections bit by bit. Great motor swap, I've been waiting for someone to try this. Homebuilt by jeff does tons of panel patching on his channel. good way to do it
Great channel! In Australia we call this model the Datsun 1600, very rare in a wagon here.,Usually only a four door sedan. Very popular in the 70s as a rally car. It will be awesome with a 2stroke v8. I can’t wait to see more.
Yeah most rusted out by now
Exciting engine 🎉 looking forward to hear that one out. BTW cool you have the mag wheels from the Datsun 280 ZX Turbo, had one from 1983. 😅
Wow - Good luck !!!
I probably would’ve started with a running motor. I know they’re expensive AF, but in some places 2 strokes are banned and you can pick them up for pennies on the dollar from a junkyard or a boat shop that retrofits new motors onto old boats. Bet you could even get some for free.
Get a patio umbrella or string up a sheet for some shade. You can hook it to the top of your engine hoist. No reason to be stuck in the sun.
I put a 13B Mazda rotary in my 1969 Datsun 510 2-door. It was fun! This should be amazing. Good luck!
Premix or oil injection they are a form of 2 stroke but nowhere near the torque of this beast.
Dude was punching air for a hour!! 😂😂😂
Wow, its crazy how he says that Jacksonville is the craziest place and never wants to go back but he only went to one place in Jacksonville. I can assure you that all of Jacksonville is not like that.
LOVE 2 Strokes! This is going to be awesome! 👍
Fuckin amazing what ur out here doin mad respect, only thing I’ll add for wiring is voltage drop is super important for testing wires, but regardless ur killin it brother!!
Having melanin is such a wonderful thing it’s never too hot to work outside no burning necks 😂😂😂
If you ever swap out your drive-train for something beefier in the future those stock/retro Datsun alloy wheels will get you a good amount of money from other people also building up a Datsun 510 or car with similar lug pattern. I've seen one of those Evinrude V8's here on YT used in a sand rail but since I'm not a boat person I've never seen one in person. Also, as someone from a rust-belt state I will say your Datsun would fall under a rating of 1.5 or a 2 at most, it looks rather solid. The rotted rocker panels and holes in the fenders are minor rust damage for us. Of course I don't know the condition of your floorboards or the cars frame. If those are fine with just surface rust then rot in the rockers and fenders just tend to be minor damage. :)
I think the heat is definitely getting to you! 🤣
Thank god it's not another LS swap video, 2T V8 sounds way more interesting!
I agree!
That's the car I learned to drive, in highschool!
Funny.
My Canadian wagon had a fiberglass replacement hood.
Those old Datsuns sure knew how to rust!
Cool cars, especially the sedan with IRS.
Rockets in their time, and handled well compared to most of the other cars on the road, and they were light, so a decent running one, (as they generally were with the L16 chain drive OHC), could give a Fiat 125 a bit of a battle.
This I know, because I had one of those too.
Mind you, the Fiat was a twin-cam, and it sounded way better.
Again, I regret not keeping it.
Thumbs up !
I always wanted to that swap.
I used to have a 2 dr 510. I put a Mazda RX7 motor in it. Ground Control did the suspension work on it. Little car ripped.
That is one interesting project and worthy of a sub.
Thanks for the follow! The video of me fabricating an intake for the engine is coming tomorrow. This is definitely taking a lot of thought and fabrication but I am excited to make it work
If you were doing this to a 510 sedan I'd flip my shit but in the live axle wagon, fricken sick man.
Datsun would be awesome project but I wouldn’t put that boat anchor in it I would do a k24 in it or some sort of modern Toyota 4cyl turbo in it would be dope
Honda K24 yeah... Nissan KA24 hell no. Just to clairfy. 😂
Removing the lower housing on an outboard can be a hell-challenge especially if it's seen salt water...
Fun fact: both Lynyrd Skynyrd and Fred Durst were from Jacksonville. Well you're obviously a Young Sheldon fan. The bottom section is the transmission housing and the drive that takes it 90 to turn the prop bolts to that. Obviously the guy stripped the guts out of it because there should be a shaft and exhaust pipe and shifter lever and all sorts of stuff in it. I wonder how much power that thing made from the factory and how much more it'd make with some expansion chambers on it.
I love this. Did you choose this engine specifically? Or just grab the first V8 outboard that you saw on the classified? How high does it rev? When you pull this off, you will be one of very few.
You might do well to get a factory service manual for this motor. It will remove a lot of the mystery about the wiring for you. I was project engineer on that motor back in 1990.
Dude frickin love it 🤜💥🤛
Back in the day a race team put a 2 smoke boat engine in a off-road race car and it was nearly impossible to drive due to the power band and it had heating issues.
That little wagon is basically the brother to my Opel sport wagon, same wheel base and track width and all. Only difference was yours was a little lighter when new but probably a lot lighter now with all the rust😂. Im going to use eithe an Atlas 2900/ 4l60, a K24/th350/400 or either a Fusion 2.5/6r80. Whichever i decide to use it will be turbo and 400+whp, it will be a daily and may hit the 1/8 mile with it a few times since it will weigh less than stock at 2450lbs. The original Opel engine was a 1.9 all iron and the K24/th400 is 90lbs less than the 1.9/auto so that leaves room for turbo weight to be added and still lighter
great project
Have you thought about engine support / mounting in the horizontal position - in the car ?.
You got my sub and notifications on now. I always wanted to put a big 2 stroke outboard in an MG, or a Triumph Spitfire! A Datsun is cool though 👍love the idea.
The 510 2 and 4 door cars had IRS, and were called the poor man’s BMW. I like them better myself, but never found one to buy.
That guy keeps the air moving and beats the breezes with balls to stop 😂
hahahahaha baby farts!man i really enjoyed your show had a cupla good ole laughs!!thanks for your time mate!
Because that is a two-stroke Marine engine, you can actually lay it over on its side if you want to, with the intake facing upward
Wow that's 10 minutes i'll never get back.
That is an interesting project...
Nice this is awesome
Thank you!
sweat and sweat cant wait to see it done
Down in Smarr Georgia, Monroe County, I flew one of these off of 109 ft cliff and landed upside down in a beaver pond. Will it was a 1975 Datsun 710 station wagon, it looked like this but it was a little bigger with a 4 liter straight-six in it.
How are you going to do the cooling system? in the outboard config the waste water goes into the exhaust to keep it cool & also muffle it. But if you do not have water going in there the aluminium exhaust will melt?
here in pdx i saw a guy fighting his jacket hanging from a fence and it got a K O on him
To get bolts out of aluminum like that. keep the bolt cold, heat the part where the threads are and heat it with a propane torch careful to not over heat it . The aluminum will expand more than the bolt , making the threads release!!
I’ve watched the videos of out of the states with the 8 expansion pipes on the track looked like it was fast I wait to see what you do as far as transmission and how are you going to run that collector to 4barrel carb?
That’s killer, should be a neat build, I’m assuming you’re using an electric water pump
Yes, at the moment I'm planning on using an electric water pump to a SBC as i could find one easily if it goes out on the road.
As a Toyota technician we used to have to go to Jacksonville port because Toyota used to conduct their advanced level training there. You were warned in no uncertain terms that one the class was over in the afternoons you were to go straight to your motel room and stay there until the next morning. Numerous technicians went there for training and thought they could experience Jacksonville’s nightlife only to get beaten up, robbed or stabbed. I’m sure there are high- end sections of Jacksonville that are not bad but working people never see those areas.
I have a concealed carry permit and I never do a FB Marketplace deal without carrying and I personally won’t meet at a person’s house if I don’t know them or at least know of them.
Freaking awesome idea Big 2 stork outboard gonna rip And sound super cool you could make a bunch of little Mini expansion chamber Header tubes Outboard Engines are expensive Imagine getting one With a trash lower for cheap like a 350 horseSomething I have heard of never thought of you got a new subscriber We'll see how it turns out but I think it's genius
You just survived a zombie attack. It's going to be awesome.
Thumbs up for Zuri.
Only wagons came with the solid axle. 2 doors and 4 Doors came with independent rear dispension
I've been tryna get people on the old mercury high output swaps.
lets goo a 2 stroke v8
thing to understand about 2 stroke boat engines, more often than not you will find at least 1 dead cylinder. a dead hole can also mean dead crankshaft in a 2 stroke since flying debris takes out rods and main bearings and can in some cases cause the cylinders to be scored beyond repair. do yourself a favor and compression test that thing before wasting even more time on it. i have 3 jet boat motors in my garage right now, each one with mangled pistons, cylinders, damaged rods and some damaged cranks.
That Datsun’s gonna sound like an RX7
It's got some nice 280ZX turbo rims on it.
Love Datsun have a 1984 300zx with low miles
Just shows that life isn't always as good on the otherside of the fence, i understand this so seeing what u see as scary in Jacksonville is just a glimpse in a world where grass is green with white Pickett fence 😂
This is very interesting