Can we all take a moment to appreciate that his videos are just pure actual content and have no boring sponsors or asking for likes, subscribes and the notification bell?
He's an intelligent man who respects his viewers. It shows just how little some youtubers respect their audience when they need to "remind" them to subscribe, like, comment, and enable notifications.
At 11:28, when David says "-used to be," his voice suddenly drops and changes to one I'd expect in the trailer for a 1980s action movie, but only for the one syllable.
Although I hate to see any vintage hardware just thrown out or recycled, the salvaging of parts from one unit to repair another has gone on for years. The term "hangar queen" probably came from World War II, when one plane was used to scrounge parts to keep many others in the air. In this case I think David made a reasonable choice to do the best at restoring one monitor.
@@sorrenblitz805 True, it's necessary when appropriate parts are unavailable any other way. It's also fun to see hybrids made with parts from similar but different things.
@DamnMerasmus I forgive it with the history channels on here because CZcams demonitizes them. Mark Felton, History Matters, they can get as many sponsers as they can.
I have also seen him use UV light without peroxide on sensitive parts. It works but takes a long time, I think a couple days. That might be a good idea with large parts he has to use the wooden rig on to avoid marbling
"I read through the instructions"... I said that once when I was like 10 years old, and it resulted in me having to put together every ones presents since like 1992 lol
I bet at the end you were a little worried if one of the other methods worked, you would no longer have something to say about his Retro brightening huh HAHAHA
Dave! Retro righting with a SOUS VIDE works incredible marvels for the keyboard community! I've used it a lot for Model M restorations and such. Our tight knit community uses a method that one of us developed. Basically set for x minutes at x temperature and check regularly. No shadows, streaks, or other shenanigans to worry about. I'd be happy to do more of a write up if interested.
One thing I thought of as you built the retro-bleaching box. One can buy, usually not to bad $$$ especially if you find scraps, is acrylic or different plastics at local plastic shops. A sheet of Lexan plastic cut in appropriate sizes and using simple glue, buy it at the plastic shops, can make large tanks for different liquids. Usually Scrap plastics are available for a considerable discount. I have made large tanks for sub $100 that were used in different dyeing/chemical processes over the years. Positive the tanks can be clear all the way around. Strong. So strong in fact I had a neighbor built in his basement a 900 gallon fish tank/aquarium. The only negative I can think of would be storage of said tanks. Make it so you can store it in garage rafters or something like that is what I am going to probably end up doing. Thanks for another great video!
Curious to see how many times these old brittle plastics can be retrobrighted before they deteriorate to dust. Someone should start scanning these old parts including their surface texture patterns for future 3D printing recreation preservation.
@@vhfgamer That's not exactly true, but probably not totally false. The UV light is causing some of the chemicals in the plastic to change states. The bromide additive bonds to oxygen, which causes the yellowish color you see. When you use the hydrogen peroxide trick, yes, you may be removing the BrO2 layer, but you're also likely weakening and reacting with other additives in the plastic. Since the process is still kinda new to the hobby world, nobody has done research on the actual side effects of it. To say it's completely harmless when there hasn't been proper research on it is dangerous, though.
@@vhfgamer the article I think you're referencing also states the following, *"This entire process effectively bleaches the plastic, which is why it also further damages the plastic. If you want to do the process in the video, don’t. It is very dangerous even for skilled chemists and I don’t recommend doing it all."* So the point still stands. It's not been researched enough to say that it doesn't damage it.
The wall doesn't look to bad in wide shots, but it gets really trippy in the closeups! Great content. Hoping to get my own indoor retrobrite setup eventually
Man, that turned out GREAT. I can't believe that monitor survived 15 years outdoors, in the dirt, and you managed to bring it back like that. Really well done!
I used to work in a computers repair shop back in the 2000´s (when computers still were white) and we used an oven cleaner white foam that took the yellow away with no effort. It was just spraying it over the surface, waiting for it to become "dirty" and then taking it away with paper towels. You should definetely give that method a go. Love your channel!
He has a video called adventures in retrobrite (probably spelled it wrong) where he trys new methods from ozone gas to oven cleaner and he found hydrogen peroxide to be the best
Amen. And can we also take a moment to appreciate the fact that he does not beg us to "subscribe and hit that notification bell" every fukkin episode? The more that CZcamsrs grovel for likes and subscribers makes me even more stubborn NOT to subscribe to them. If you content is good, people will do these things, begging them just makes you sound like a corporate douchebag.
Watching these episodes always makes me want to try my hand at restoring some retro tech. But I know I'd probably get frustrated halfway through and abandon the project. Kudos to you and your persistence, getting something back up and working that had at one point been considered trash.
It’s funny with retro brighting that the sunlight gets rid of the yellow, with the help of Hydrogen Peroxide, but its the sunlight that yellows it in the first place!
@@MarcusTDM Yes, Sunlight and heat creates yellowing. Sunlight and "cold" removes yellowing. There are several YT videos on this. Check out Perifractic's video on this. I use 12% H2O2 for small things i want to have done fast - like keycaps. For bigger things like monitors i just put them out in the sun for 2 to 4 days when its cold. - In Norway we don't lack cold weather.
In case anybody wants a scientific explanation, the yellowing of the plastic is caused by UV light exciting the atoms in the plastic (making them reactive), resulting in cross-linking between the polymer chains, which happens to make ABS (and several other plastics) that yellowish brown color. The retro brighting works by the UV light exciting the new bond that makes the cross-link (it would be the highest energy bond so it would be favored) those bonds then react with the hydrogen peroxide (which is a mild oxidizer/bleaching agent) which oxidizes the polymer, so it can be washed away with water. As for using just sunlight (or UV) that mechanism is much less definite, I would hypothesize that the UV excites the new bond that makes the cross-link but instead it reacts with reactive oxygen species (ozone and singlet oxygen) in the air. Although I would suspect in this case it would be a competition between yellowing and bleaching, so it won't do as well as using the peroxide.
I think David's videos and methods are just fine. The problem is his videos have too many critics and trolls in the comment section. I've learned a few useful things from his videos over the last few years and I'm very thankful for it. Hope to see more from him as the years pass by. 😁
Actually, there is ZERO problem with trolls and here's why. Ever wonder wall most CZcamsrs say "let me know your thoughts down in the comments"? It's because CZcams views all comments as interaction, just like Thumbs down clicks have the same important, positive impact on a channel as the Thumbs up. Even negative interaction is viewed in a positive light by the powers that be at CZcams. They consider it proof people are staying on CZcams, and that's really all CZcams cares about. The down side to the wicked trolls is that, on an emotional level, they do nothing but tear people down. But again, the upside is a more popular CZcams channel and more pennies for the 8-Bit Guy to earn as a reward for his content creation.
impeccable. that thing sat outside for longer than i've been alive probably, and it still works. you're lucky if your modern mac will still work properly if you treat it right after a few years, let alone leaving it outside for 20 or so years. they really dont build things like they used to.
I did a Tandy restoration using your hair product. Here's what I found. You do NOT need the plastic wrap, it will leave an uneven streaking. Instead, use DAWN dish soap and a tooth brush. Nothing fancy, just clean the surface. Rinse toothbrush and plastic thoroughly. Using the same toothbrush, apply the hair product to the plastic and brush it in, that's it. The hair product sticks to the plastic just fine, and does the job. It's simple, it works. No streaks, no marbling, just clean and bright!
I think you should incorporate some older displays running “demo” reels or something in the new studio background. Or some LEDs. Something to give it some “life”
would take too much space. though if he can get someone to make him a video or something that emulates that same feel he could use flat panel monitors for it.
@@hellspawn3200 sounds like a good idea! I think it’s sort of funny how he built a new studio and it looks just like the old one as far as the layout goes... haha. I think like somebody mentioned- a technology connections style would be cool. I may just be a sucker for LEDs and “flair” lol
I'd suggest putting a reflection box down around your rig, to keep the UV light bouncing about and getting better coverage :) Tin foil on a flat surface works well!
David, solve these retrobrighting issues once for all, here's my two cents: buy or build a large plexiglass cube, buy a high torque rotating turntable to place underneath, uv lamps for indoor usage and a square plastic piece to put inside the cube that will keep buoyant things underwater without casting any shadows. EDIT: I've been told that plexiglass is no good as it would block UV, so I guess normal transparent plastic?
Sometimes in car restorations, you may need to buy a donor car, for panels, parts etc. So getting a second hand monitor, for spares etc. Is just the same thing, At the end of the day, part of it still lives on in the one you restored. Good stuff!
Meguiar's also makes a product for removing yellow out of plastic headlights. One of my car's headlights was extremely yellowed. It was literally wipe it on, then wipe it off. Made a HUGE difference. I also tried it on my motorcycle's windscreen which had 25 years of yellowing. Again, wiped it on, almost immediately wiped it off. It completely nuked the yellowing away. No scrubbing. It's just a gel type stuff, about the consistency of lotion. Granted, it's meant for headlights, which are usually polycarbonate. But it shocked the crap out of me at how well and quickly it worked. And having done a lot of restoration work on cars/bikes, I'm almost always unimpressed with a lot of the "magical restoration" products out there. This actually did what it said, and did it quite well. I have no idea if it would do anything at all to those cases, which I think are typically nylon blends? But might be worth a whirl.
I think the wall is cool. That said, the way the lighting is, makes a weird optical illusion. The lighting is so flat and uniform with the shapes being so uniform that the wall looks flat even though its two walls meeting in a corner. Then there's the shelves which are obviously corner shelves, and that makes the wall appear to both have depth, and no depth at the same time. I think its a pretty cool design that i'd probably like in person, but in the videos its just a bit difficult to look at
Nice to see somebody going through the effort of rescuing old tech not only from the dumpster but also restoring it despite the bad shape it was in. Nice for a change after watching so many videos of EWaste Ben slaughtering truckloads full of vintage PCs for a bit of gold, platinum and base metals that are worth a tiny fraction of the PCs themselves. I know, that's what his channel is about and I don't want to bash on him but it's such a contrast. Here you took a seemingly hopeless device and turned it back into something that would sell on eBay as "mind condition". And there he takes a slightly dirty PC that is very clean inside and kills it. Again, I know it's all about restoring and preserving here and it's all about destroying and recycling there. But the contrast .. man ... Nice work, really!
If you're going to throw away the second monitor, I suggest you keep the tube. Those things deteriorate, and once they're gone there will be no replacement.
Thoughts on retrobrighting. 1. Get a larger, thinner, transparent crate. 2. Glue high-powered magnets on the bottom of the crate and tape magnets on the underside of the piece you're retrobrighting. That way you wouldn't need rocks. 3. Is there something that could slowly rotate the crate while in sunlight (i.e., like a microwave tray)? Could work.
magnets are a little overkill and still block certain parts of the plastic, plus tape doesn't last in water-- small glass paperweights from the local thrift store tend to let through enough sunlight that you don't even need to rotate them.
Or use sticky tack to stick a heavy bolt to the underside of the item to weigh it down. UV LED strips wrapped around the sides and top and bottom of a see through crate, wrap tinfoil all of if, and if the crate is too transparent, some baking paper between the crate and LEDs to disperse the light from the LEDs more evenly. Or get inspiration from Tysy (among many others), he's played around a bit with various setups on his channel
@@the_kombinator Computer Reset has a Facebook group for buy/sell. You should check there, people exchange parts a lot there. Note that it is not the main Computer Reset group.
@@allandeyong9407 My original plan was to go there with a friend, truck, and a trailer, and bring back skidfulls of 2-3-486s but they were very unorganized at the time. It's over a 24 hour drive for me and crossing a border, I wanted to make sure they had some decent things. Now there's COVID. Oh well, local sources it is. Still not completely dried up ;) Although rapidly approaching that :(. I'll check out their site though, thanks.
David, I have no idea how you do it....Your studio build was interrupted by the greater issue of your home being damaged,...yet you're still able to produce the same quality content. If you hadn't said anything about the damage or the new studio (SO glad you did :), no one would be any the wiser. Kudos! Keep up the great content!.
back in 88/89 i worked in a (gasp) tv repair shop and first thing i thaught when i saw the picture was flyback transistor or diode. I was happy to see i remenbered corectly
To whoever suggested headlight restoration, The headlight restoration kit will never be the right choice when restoring a computer. With headlights you need to remove the UV damage with fine grit sandpaper. Actually remove and smooth out the material. Starting with a lower grit sand paper and working up to a very fine grit. Then you polish and clear coat the headlights. Headlights are very smooth. Monitors and computer components usually have a texture to them. The UV lights and Peroxide are still the best bet. Great videos and content!
This was great! Glad to see the monitor getting a new lease on life, hope it serves you well! I am also totally stealing that "NOBODY" part as a reaction image
I love your videos because you aren’t shy about showing mistakes and admitting when you don’t know something. This is wonderful since you know so much.
It reminds me of the Beach Boys style "Tessellations" music video in s1e8 of _Square One Television_ (1987). Needless to say, I fully approve, with the sound dampening a bonus.
@@JD-hu9sg I doubt there are many youngsters watching this channel of an age who would understand the joke but not have already been exposed to such humor frequently or even made jokes like that themselves. The really young will find that joke going right over their head so wouldn’t worry about them.
David if you plan on more than occasional use of the monitor, please consider replacing the capacitors. Pay special attention to the power section of the PCB. also, check the resistance of the resistors beside each capacitor. Usually either one of two things happens with the capacitors; one the capacitor slowly dries out and causes the resistor to become open, or the resistor slowly looses its resistance and cooks the capacitor. I enjoy watching you restoring old computers. My first computer was a Texas Instrument's TI-99/4A. With cassette drive. I saved up money to purchase a Basic Programming Book with over 100 example programs.
@@pikuniku619 I'll bet you in another few years, this monitor will go boom and it was just a waste of our time. Plus, the hard truth is when David eventually dies, EVERYTHING in his house will be thrown away anyway.
I love your content. Thank you :) Edit: Oh, and as a plastic engineer, I can tell you that you are completely right about there not being a perfect ratio of peroxide for retrobleaching. Your observation with the bleaching going faster with more peroxide fits theory. Same goes for stronger UV light. :)
absolutely love the new setup even the triangle wall, glad everything made it though that crazy winter. Hope to see this channel continue such great progress.
Thank you for this quality content, you put a lot of care in everything you do and it shows. 💖 Also I have no idea where you find the patience to answer all the dumb questions 😂
when you started talking about sponsers you scared the crap out of me but then when a big bold nobody came on my screen i had a ´really good chuckle. Seriously what can you not love about that.
I love the triangles! I was sad to hear him say he's getting rid of it. That said, his studio is for his use, and if people don't like his decor that's too bad 😤
To be honest when you need a general purpose diode in a pinch the 1N4007 is a good option that will work for the majority of cases. Having a stockpile of some common components in old computers is a pretty good thing to have. I’d say general purpose diodes, 7805 and 7812 voltage regulators, resistors in the standard sizes from 1 ohm to 1 mega ohm, 74 series logic ICs, spare RAM chips, basic sizes of electrolytic capacitors, an assortment of ceramic capacitors, pin headers, suitcase jumpers, and other common ICs found in older computers are all good things to have on hand in a stockpile so you don’t have to order new stuff from mouser every time you need it.
I know nothing about any of this stuff and I randomly came across your restoration video and I wanted to tell you major respect on an amazing job well done. 🤙👍
Really enjoyable video. I have been subscribed to your channel for about 5 or so years I think - you are my longest sub and I always look forward to your videos, very enjoyable.
I am now fixated on the yellowed power button... lol... You did a good job for not being high-voltage experienced. Based on some of the troubleshooting Adrian has gone through on old CRTs only replacing that diod is amazing luck, and the screen turned out great. I for one would have picked up a number of monitors and try to restore as many as possible. I know you said there wasn't a line of people wanting to pick them up, but the story might change if they were all restored. It's all would-a, could-a, should-a, so, no complaints, just my blabber mouthing. You are appreciated for what you do. Programing new games for retro devices is a unique blessing.
Nicely done! I'm having regrets for having so casually rid myself of the last few working CRTs in my collection not so many years ago. They seemed SO obsolete and useless when I could buy working used LCD panels at thrift stores and yard sales in Reno, Nevada at very low prices. But now, I wish I had at least ONE good, working CRT monitor around. I've started to keep SOME of the working CRT televisions that I come across, in anticipation of potential usefulness in the future.
Thank you for the update on Studio Build 3! I am on deployment right now and I downloaded 1 and 2, I know this sounds weird but I love watching them over and over. Maybe because as a fellow ITer I've alwys wanted a static-free workshop. Thanks for all you do 8-Bit guy!
"This episode was sponsored by.... NOBODY because we don't to that here" You had me for a minute there. 😂
Yeah well except for the 2296 patreons
@@jensmaa that’s not really a sponsor
@@adenarrington7607 They literally pay money, what else would it be
I'm gonna register a company called NOBODY XD
@@Shadow_Beatz they'd be patrons, not sponsors
Every time the Salon Care bottles come out, I picture David going into Sally's to buy like two dozen bottles and getting funny looks from the staff.
Hahaaaaaa, is funny because receding hairline !
Cashier: “why do you buy so much hydrogen peroxide?”
David: “it’s water 2 and it’s delicious”
@@loganbaileysfunwithtrains606 water 2.. WATER 2 I CANT
@@WindowsG can I offer you some water 2 in these trying times
@@loganbaileysfunwithtrains606 yes please, i could use some spicy water
Can we all take a moment to appreciate that his videos are just pure actual content and have no boring sponsors or asking for likes, subscribes and the notification bell?
Here here!
Thats why hes popular
He's an intelligent man who respects his viewers. It shows just how little some youtubers respect their audience when they need to "remind" them to subscribe, like, comment, and enable notifications.
as it should be
I mean some people won't have the money to run their channel without that stuff, 8-Bit guy isn't quite in the lowest of financial situations.
Epilogue: 8-bit guy's family has the whitest teeth in town.
Is that a play on *8-Bit Keys* ? :P
Yeah they retro brite theyre teeth
@@xXdawgXx
That is the same as saying:
"Yeah they retro brite they are teeth"
@COCOs WIFI *their
The toothpaste was a failure, but the monitor is now minty fresh. Ha Ha Ha!
At 11:28, when David says "-used to be," his voice suddenly drops and changes to one I'd expect in the trailer for a 1980s action movie, but only for the one syllable.
LmaoOOOO
Holy moly you’re right !!
"I just made this from scrap pieces of wood lying around."
Rig is already out of my price range.
f
At this point it’s almost cheaper and better to make a house out of sheet metal and aerogel.
@@markm0000 sheet aluminium was always cheaper from wood lmao
@@markm0000 *IF* you can find sheet metal.
Maybe use Gold bricks?
Although I hate to see any vintage hardware just thrown out or recycled, the salvaging of parts from one unit to repair another has gone on for years. The term "hangar queen" probably came from World War II, when one plane was used to scrounge parts to keep many others in the air.
In this case I think David made a reasonable choice to do the best at restoring one monitor.
Cannibalizing tech is as old as tech itself bro. Sometimes the only way to fix something is to destroy a second one.
@@sorrenblitz805 True, it's necessary when appropriate parts are unavailable any other way. It's also fun to see hybrids made with parts from similar but different things.
"just look at the schematic bro" OK where the fuck am i supposed to find a SNES CPU?
@@cheezitz6730 Or an n-gage screen. Hell, I can't even find the schematics for it, to try and adapt a modern LCD to it.
14:28
The best retrobriting method I've ever known involves a time machine and avoiding various chronauthorities.
No one can escape the Time Police
"Scrap pieces of wood", dude at today's lumber prices you probably owe your brother around $8k :D
I especially enjoyed your sponsorship by Nobody. Thank you for not cluttering your videos with these kinds of ads.
Lol
Unknown™️ is the best company 8bit Guy has every cooperated with.
Yeah, if I see Raid Shadow Legends here I'm gonna toss my phone across the room.
@DamnMerasmus I forgive it with the history channels on here because CZcams demonitizes them. Mark Felton, History Matters, they can get as many sponsers as they can.
And 'without 'Become a member'' button.
All that "wax on/wax off" scrubbing with those test brighters is gonna make him a karate master.
Pat Morita would be so jealous...
Got expelled from school for Waxing on/ waxing off.
10:44 Spider appears on left monitor when 8-bit guy taps the top
oh. thats spooky
Haha I went straight to the comments to see if anyone else noticed that.
Lol I thought it was a shadow at first. Had to rewind it to see what happened
Little cutie. Finds its happy position and stays there!! 🤣🤣
@@N3tech me too!
Odd Tinkering likes to blu-tack bolts to the underside of whatever he's retrobriting to keep it submerged.
That guy knows what's what. His new rig is awesome. And except for the temp gauge, is simple to build.
I have also seen him use UV light without peroxide on sensitive parts. It works but takes a long time, I think a couple days. That might be a good idea with large parts he has to use the wooden rig on to avoid marbling
Ooh that’s a good idea! Buoyancy is a real problem.
shout-out to Odd Tinkering for being able to retrobrite inside
Has a tutorial how can made retrobright too, very useful
10:43 the spider crawling into view on the non-restored monitor got me, and all I could focus on was watching it to see if it moved anywhere :O
p sure thats a fly
Yep, I couldn’t stop looking at the spider.
same here, came here in the comments to see if anyone else saw it and hyper fixated on it too lol
I think that's a jumping spider, completely harmless.
I guess watching this on a phone that I can't see it, or I don't know where it's supposed to be at on the screen.
3:01 - I swear this iconic shot of 8-Bit Guy on the driveway needs to be made into a retro t-shirt 😄
Man the nostalgia that opening gives me for the 80s/90s is palpable.
It's crazy how far technology has come in only 25-30yrs....
Same :)
I look forward to the hexagons. I hear they are, in fact, the best-agons.
Came to the comments for this and I'm not leaving disappointed. Thank you!
Glad to know there's a subset of people that watch CGP Grey and The 8-Bit Guy
Ahhh, I see you're all men of culture, very nice...
Put circles in them, and you’ll have a retro TARDIS set!
That’s going to look like the set of the British game show Blockbusters with the hexagon wall art.
I’ll have a P please David.
15:30 that moc-up is legendary.
Someone pls explain
I can‘t explain why, but those restoration videos are extremely satisfying! Good job! Grüße aus Deutschland 🖖
Yes, I totally agree. That's why I also watch the channels "Retro Recipes" and "My Mechanics" :-)
P.S.: Wann kommt denn mal wieder ein Video von dir?
@@tychobra1 thx für den Tipp! Hm, leider habe ich gerade nicht so viel Zeit:/ Aber es kommt bestimmt mal wieder was!
LG Flo
wa- wait…
Flo Plus schaut The 8-Bit Guy?
Das sind zusätzliche Sympathiepunkte!
"I read through the instructions"... I said that once when I was like 10 years old, and it resulted in me having to put together every ones presents since like 1992 lol
I used a UV cure station (intended for resin prints) to do my first Retrobrite. Worked great!
Did you giggle through it? :D
I remember that video. What was that foam that formed during the process?
I bet at the end you were a little worried if one of the other methods worked, you would no longer have something to say about his Retro brightening huh HAHAHA
Good idea Ben.
The charme of the 8-bit guy is being honest about his suboptimal pre-thinking. I love it.
15:30 when you finally lift the rocks and the yellowing still there.
Droid: *uh oh*
Getting that lovely clear picture after turning up the brightness was so satisfying!
Dave! Retro righting with a SOUS VIDE works incredible marvels for the keyboard community!
I've used it a lot for Model M restorations and such. Our tight knit community uses a method that one of us developed.
Basically set for x minutes at x temperature and check regularly. No shadows, streaks, or other shenanigans to worry about. I'd be happy to do more of a write up if interested.
15:30 when the edible hits
Hey at least the water falling is in a liquid state this time!
Yes indeed. All the roofs in our area are currently in the process of being replaced. It's been a crazy year in Texas.
I’m pretty sure this is gonna age like milk…
In Arlen, Texas, Hank Hill is wondering what in tarnation's going on with the weather...
And this time its OUTSIDE the house and not on the floor and in the walls
@@willierants5880 thankfully, I replaced mine a few weeks before this “Texas Monsoon”!
One thing I thought of as you built the retro-bleaching box. One can buy, usually not to bad $$$ especially if you find scraps, is acrylic or different plastics at local plastic shops. A sheet of Lexan plastic cut in appropriate sizes and using simple glue, buy it at the plastic shops, can make large tanks for different liquids. Usually Scrap plastics are available for a considerable discount. I have made large tanks for sub $100 that were used in different dyeing/chemical processes over the years. Positive the tanks can be clear all the way around. Strong. So strong in fact I had a neighbor built in his basement a 900 gallon fish tank/aquarium. The only negative I can think of would be storage of said tanks. Make it so you can store it in garage rafters or something like that is what I am going to probably end up doing. Thanks for another great video!
Curious to see how many times these old brittle plastics can be retrobrighted before they deteriorate to dust. Someone should start scanning these old parts including their surface texture patterns for future 3D printing recreation preservation.
That's a pretty neat idea.
Indefinitely, because the retrobright converts the plastic back to what it was before the UV damage.
@@vhfgamer That's not exactly true, but probably not totally false. The UV light is causing some of the chemicals in the plastic to change states. The bromide additive bonds to oxygen, which causes the yellowish color you see.
When you use the hydrogen peroxide trick, yes, you may be removing the BrO2 layer, but you're also likely weakening and reacting with other additives in the plastic.
Since the process is still kinda new to the hobby world, nobody has done research on the actual side effects of it.
To say it's completely harmless when there hasn't been proper research on it is dangerous, though.
@@cherrypepsi2815 The bromide theory is false. Plastic with no bromide has been shown to also yellow.
@@vhfgamer the article I think you're referencing also states the following, *"This entire process effectively bleaches the plastic, which is why it also further damages the plastic. If you want to do the process in the video, don’t. It is very dangerous even for skilled chemists and I don’t recommend doing it all."*
So the point still stands. It's not been researched enough to say that it doesn't damage it.
The wall doesn't look to bad in wide shots, but it gets really trippy in the closeups!
Great content. Hoping to get my own indoor retrobrite setup eventually
How did you comment 18 hr ago when it's uploaded 20 minutes ago?
@@arick99 Patreon supporter.
@@arick99 they get early access if you join patreon.
@@arick99 I sponsored this video
@@tossabaddle oooww.. got it.. thanks!
Man, that turned out GREAT. I can't believe that monitor survived 15 years outdoors, in the dirt, and you managed to bring it back like that. Really well done!
Too bad he ignored the power button and the back of the chassis
I was surprised that it was a single diode that went bad
@@user-rn1br5tq5j touch grass?
Too bad that Apple products aren’t made to last like this anymore and I only made to last about five years and then firmware updates kill them.
@@chrisandrus2735 Too bad people keep fucking buying them
As an 80s kid, growing up with this stuff, it does my heart well to see you restore this.
I used to work in a computers repair shop back in the 2000´s (when computers still were white) and we used an oven cleaner white foam that took the yellow away with no effort. It was just spraying it over the surface, waiting for it to become "dirty" and then taking it away with paper towels. You should definetely give that method a go. Love your channel!
He has a video called adventures in retrobrite (probably spelled it wrong) where he trys new methods from ozone gas to oven cleaner and he found hydrogen peroxide to be the best
So underrated: This channel is sponsored by.... Nobody!!! 'Cos we don't do that here
I mean people DO need to eat sometimes lol
Nobody: for only 5.99 a month you get such amazing feature as nothing!
Nobody wants to sponsor him ffs
@@InvisibleYetVisible no, he just knows that sponsors are annoying as shit
Amen. And can we also take a moment to appreciate the fact that he does not beg us to "subscribe and hit that notification bell" every fukkin episode? The more that CZcamsrs grovel for likes and subscribers makes me even more stubborn NOT to subscribe to them. If you content is good, people will do these things, begging them just makes you sound like a corporate douchebag.
“Mom! That man across the street is spraying the computer with the hose again!”
“Oh, you mean Dave?”
"Don't look at him, Billy!"
it puts the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again.
"it puts the retrobrite on its plastic or else it gets the hose again"
@@windhelmguard5295 no no, it definitely gets the hose afterwards.
"What's a computer?"
The background music is: Legacy of the 90s by Anders Enger Jensen
Watching these episodes always makes me want to try my hand at restoring some retro tech. But I know I'd probably get frustrated halfway through and abandon the project. Kudos to you and your persistence, getting something back up and working that had at one point been considered trash.
It’s funny with retro brighting that the sunlight gets rid of the yellow, with the help of Hydrogen Peroxide, but its the sunlight that yellows it in the first place!
You actually dont need the H2O2 - it only speeds up the process. Sunlight in 10 degrees celsius or below, will remove the yellowing.
@@RetroErik even though it creates the yellowing?
@@MarcusTDM Yes, Sunlight and heat creates yellowing. Sunlight and "cold" removes yellowing.
There are several YT videos on this. Check out Perifractic's video on this. I use 12% H2O2 for small things i want to have done fast - like keycaps. For bigger things like monitors i just put them out in the sun for 2 to 4 days when its cold. - In Norway we don't lack cold weather.
Your basically bleaching the yellow away.
In case anybody wants a scientific explanation, the yellowing of the plastic is caused by UV light exciting the atoms in the plastic (making them reactive), resulting in cross-linking between the polymer chains, which happens to make ABS (and several other plastics) that yellowish brown color. The retro brighting works by the UV light exciting the new bond that makes the cross-link (it would be the highest energy bond so it would be favored) those bonds then react with the hydrogen peroxide (which is a mild oxidizer/bleaching agent) which oxidizes the polymer, so it can be washed away with water.
As for using just sunlight (or UV) that mechanism is much less definite, I would hypothesize that the UV excites the new bond that makes the cross-link but instead it reacts with reactive oxygen species (ozone and singlet oxygen) in the air. Although I would suspect in this case it would be a competition between yellowing and bleaching, so it won't do as well as using the peroxide.
I think David's videos and methods are just fine. The problem is his videos have too many critics and trolls in the comment section. I've learned a few useful things from his videos over the last few years and I'm very thankful for it. Hope to see more from him as the years pass by. 😁
Everyone in the youtube comment section is an expert :) David's doing a great job.
Actually, there is ZERO problem with trolls and here's why. Ever wonder wall most CZcamsrs say "let me know your thoughts down in the comments"? It's because CZcams views all comments as interaction, just like Thumbs down clicks have the same important, positive impact on a channel as the Thumbs up. Even negative interaction is viewed in a positive light by the powers that be at CZcams. They consider it proof people are staying on CZcams, and that's really all CZcams cares about. The down side to the wicked trolls is that, on an emotional level, they do nothing but tear people down. But again, the upside is a more popular CZcams channel and more pennies for the 8-Bit Guy to earn as a reward for his content creation.
Too many people would rather keep everything under a glass dome instead of making old things live again. Purists are this hobby's heaviest shackles.
@@nysaea Indeed
The intense reaction to what he did with that IBM last year was mind-bending.
impeccable. that thing sat outside for longer than i've been alive probably, and it still works. you're lucky if your modern mac will still work properly if you treat it right after a few years, let alone leaving it outside for 20 or so years. they really dont build things like they used to.
I did a Tandy restoration using your hair product. Here's what I found.
You do NOT need the plastic wrap, it will leave an uneven streaking.
Instead, use DAWN dish soap and a tooth brush. Nothing fancy, just clean the surface. Rinse toothbrush and plastic thoroughly.
Using the same toothbrush, apply the hair product to the plastic and brush it in, that's it. The hair product sticks to the plastic just fine, and does the job.
It's simple, it works. No streaks, no marbling, just clean and bright!
10:44 I froze like that spider did on the side of the monitor! LOL
yeah, poor guy - displaced from a nice comfy home
I think you should incorporate some older displays running “demo” reels or something in the new studio background. Or some LEDs. Something to give it some “life”
Not enough space, though a flat panel behind him would be a nice touch, sort of like Technology Connection's wall-of-stuff.
would take too much space. though if he can get someone to make him a video or something that emulates that same feel he could use flat panel monitors for it.
I think the video's interesting enough already (albeit I watch splitscreen / half in the background)
@@hellspawn3200 sounds like a good idea! I think it’s sort of funny how he built a new studio and it looks just like the old one as far as the layout goes... haha. I think like somebody mentioned- a technology connections style would be cool. I may just be a sucker for LEDs and “flair” lol
That "sponsored by" part... Heh, you got me there
I'd suggest putting a reflection box down around your rig, to keep the UV light bouncing about and getting better coverage :) Tin foil on a flat surface works well!
IIRC: mirrors will reflect a UVA light but not UVB light. Are both needed for retrobriting?
David, you should give the same method as TysyTube, he uses a clear tote with UV LEDs strip submersion method, with very consistent results
David, solve these retrobrighting issues once for all, here's my two cents: buy or build a large plexiglass cube, buy a high torque rotating turntable to place underneath, uv lamps for indoor usage and a square plastic piece to put inside the cube that will keep buoyant things underwater without casting any shadows. EDIT: I've been told that plexiglass is no good as it would block UV, so I guess normal transparent plastic?
plexicube is definatly the way to go
Wouldn't the plexiglass block the UV?
That sounds like a bond villain scheme.
Nah, you need invisible aluminium. Strong enough to hold whales!
Plexi blocks UV. This wouldn't work at all.
Sometimes in car restorations, you may need to buy a donor car, for panels, parts etc. So getting a second hand monitor, for spares etc. Is just the same thing, At the end of the day, part of it still lives on in the one you restored. Good stuff!
Meguiar's also makes a product for removing yellow out of plastic headlights. One of my car's headlights was extremely yellowed. It was literally wipe it on, then wipe it off. Made a HUGE difference. I also tried it on my motorcycle's windscreen which had 25 years of yellowing. Again, wiped it on, almost immediately wiped it off. It completely nuked the yellowing away. No scrubbing. It's just a gel type stuff, about the consistency of lotion. Granted, it's meant for headlights, which are usually polycarbonate. But it shocked the crap out of me at how well and quickly it worked. And having done a lot of restoration work on cars/bikes, I'm almost always unimpressed with a lot of the "magical restoration" products out there. This actually did what it said, and did it quite well. I have no idea if it would do anything at all to those cases, which I think are typically nylon blends? But might be worth a whirl.
I think the wall is cool. That said, the way the lighting is, makes a weird optical illusion. The lighting is so flat and uniform with the shapes being so uniform that the wall looks flat even though its two walls meeting in a corner.
Then there's the shelves which are obviously corner shelves, and that makes the wall appear to both have depth, and no depth at the same time.
I think its a pretty cool design that i'd probably like in person, but in the videos its just a bit difficult to look at
11:27 and that’s when the 8-but guy became project farm! 😂😂
"We're going to test that!"
@@billsinkins361 "Thanks for watching." lol
😂 start the Briggs Stratton....
Nice to see somebody going through the effort of rescuing old tech not only from the dumpster but also restoring it despite the bad shape it was in. Nice for a change after watching so many videos of EWaste Ben slaughtering truckloads full of vintage PCs for a bit of gold, platinum and base metals that are worth a tiny fraction of the PCs themselves. I know, that's what his channel is about and I don't want to bash on him but it's such a contrast. Here you took a seemingly hopeless device and turned it back into something that would sell on eBay as "mind condition". And there he takes a slightly dirty PC that is very clean inside and kills it. Again, I know it's all about restoring and preserving here and it's all about destroying and recycling there. But the contrast .. man ... Nice work, really!
15:00 I love that wall that design is so cool and amazing like cracked futuristic glass!
I hope all the repairs on the house (from the burst pipe) went smoothly.... and cheaply.
If you're going to throw away the second monitor, I suggest you keep the tube. Those things deteriorate, and once they're gone there will be no replacement.
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if 1 or 2 factories producing CRTs open up in the next couple of years bc demand is getting high again
I know NOTHING about the technical aspects of these rebuilds you do...but my GOD is it satisfying to watch it all come together
I wonder what 8 bit’s neighbours think. “He’s out there watering his plastic again!”
Thoughts on retrobrighting. 1. Get a larger, thinner, transparent crate. 2. Glue high-powered magnets on the bottom of the crate and tape magnets on the underside of the piece you're retrobrighting. That way you wouldn't need rocks. 3. Is there something that could slowly rotate the crate while in sunlight (i.e., like a microwave tray)? Could work.
magnets are a little overkill and still block certain parts of the plastic, plus tape doesn't last in water-- small glass paperweights from the local thrift store tend to let through enough sunlight that you don't even need to rotate them.
Neodymium magnets rust, so better put them in a condom or something.
Or use sticky tack to stick a heavy bolt to the underside of the item to weigh it down.
UV LED strips wrapped around the sides and top and bottom of a see through crate, wrap tinfoil all of if, and if the crate is too transparent, some baking paper between the crate and LEDs to disperse the light from the LEDs more evenly.
Or get inspiration from Tysy (among many others), he's played around a bit with various setups on his channel
Too bad he ignored the power button and the back of the chassis. The end result looks like ass.
I think he started with transparent boxes, but black absorbs more heat which helps the process.
Can confirm, I spent a few minutes perusing that pallet of monitors and very quickly found that they were much too far gone for my ambitions.
I wish I was closer to there. I need a 486DX mobo and a case....
@@the_kombinator Computer Reset has a Facebook group for buy/sell. You should check there, people exchange parts a lot there. Note that it is not the main Computer Reset group.
@@allandeyong9407 My original plan was to go there with a friend, truck, and a trailer, and bring back skidfulls of 2-3-486s but they were very unorganized at the time. It's over a 24 hour drive for me and crossing a border, I wanted to make sure they had some decent things. Now there's COVID. Oh well, local sources it is. Still not completely dried up ;) Although rapidly approaching that :(.
I'll check out their site though, thanks.
@@the_kombinator I have my 486dx loaded with a lockgen for outputting to vcr tape. Send a note on my channel!
David, I have no idea how you do it....Your studio build was interrupted by the greater issue of your home being damaged,...yet you're still able to produce the same quality content. If you hadn't said anything about the damage or the new studio (SO glad you did :), no one would be any the wiser. Kudos! Keep up the great content!.
back in 88/89 i worked in a (gasp) tv repair shop and first thing i thaught when i saw the picture was flyback transistor or diode. I was happy to see i remenbered corectly
I'm more interested in how your house is doing after the winter weather than the studio.
He’s taken it well. I’d still be wrecked by a disaster like that
High Voltage Electronics is Electroboom's expertise.
I'd argue it's photonicinduction
that guy doesn't know anything about anything.
One of the best things about this channel is seeing David, become more and more confident on camera
To whoever suggested headlight restoration,
The headlight restoration kit will never be the right choice when restoring a computer. With headlights you need to remove the UV damage with fine grit sandpaper. Actually remove and smooth out the material. Starting with a lower grit sand paper and working up to a very fine grit. Then you polish and clear coat the headlights. Headlights are very smooth. Monitors and computer components usually have a texture to them.
The UV lights and Peroxide are still the best bet. Great videos and content!
This was great! Glad to see the monitor getting a new lease on life, hope it serves you well!
I am also totally stealing that "NOBODY" part as a reaction image
It is a Totally GIFable Moment (TM)
"Sponsored by Nobody". Mr. Murray, you are one of the internet's true gentlemen.
@@bhickenbottom Aaah Patreon. The internet's begging bowl.
15:29 👍👍👍👍 You couldn't have picked a better freeze frame photo! Good job!!! Hahaha!! That expression says it all!
I love your videos because you aren’t shy about showing mistakes and admitting when you don’t know something. This is wonderful since you know so much.
The headlight restorers are designed to leave a smooth finish, so no surprises there.
15:20 Hexagons are the bestagons.
It reminds me of the Beach Boys style "Tessellations" music video in s1e8 of _Square One Television_ (1987). Needless to say, I fully approve, with the sound dampening a bonus.
At first I thought he was going to tile the walls with used mousepads
I'll have a C please Bob
I must admit, that I like the patches which are on the wall now. They hide the corner of the wall better!
The two Apple monitor restoration videos were both fabulous and very enlightening. Thank you very much. Love your work! Roger
The 8 Bit Guy is full of content. Provide pure videos without annoying ADs & sponsors.
"I moved all the rocks off"
8-bit guy getting his rocks off.
Oohhh kkkkkk kinda juvenile and inappropriate but there are a lot of youngsters on CZcams
Lmfao, niiiiice Patty, nice...
@@JD-hu9sg I doubt there are many youngsters watching this channel of an age who would understand the joke but not have already been exposed to such humor frequently or even made jokes like that themselves. The really young will find that joke going right over their head so wouldn’t worry about them.
now i'm gonna clean my teeth by exposing them to uv light and peroxide for 4 hours 👍
David if you plan on more than occasional use of the monitor, please consider replacing the capacitors. Pay special attention to the power section of the PCB. also, check the resistance of the resistors beside each capacitor. Usually either one of two things happens with the capacitors; one the capacitor slowly dries out and causes the resistor to become open, or the resistor slowly looses its resistance and cooks the capacitor.
I enjoy watching you restoring old computers.
My first computer was a Texas Instrument's TI-99/4A. With cassette drive.
I saved up money to purchase a Basic Programming Book with over 100 example programs.
Amazing restore! I truly enjoyed watching these two episodes. That monitor looks brand new now. Great job!
Hexagons are bestagons! Also, you may want to put spaces between them as you have now with the vinyl to help break them up.
Seconding the spaces!!!! that should help even more to reduce sound bounce by creating more surfaces!
But maybe paint the wall a grey first so the contrast isn't too huge
I'm sick of the rain delaying this quality content
So rain is less important to you than a bald guy hosing an old and useless computer? Interesting
Texas turning into a temperate rainforest
@@pikuniku619 I'll bet you in another few years, this monitor will go boom and it was just a waste of our time. Plus, the hard truth is when David eventually dies, EVERYTHING in his house will be thrown away anyway.
I love your content. Thank you :)
Edit: Oh, and as a plastic engineer, I can tell you that you are completely right about there not being a perfect ratio of peroxide for retrobleaching. Your observation with the bleaching going faster with more peroxide fits theory. Same goes for stronger UV light. :)
Is there a specific wavelength of UV that works best? A, B, C?
absolutely love the new setup even the triangle wall, glad everything made it though that crazy winter. Hope to see this channel continue such great progress.
Thank you for this quality content, you put a lot of care in everything you do and it shows. 💖
Also I have no idea where you find the patience to answer all the dumb questions 😂
It is insane that, with few exceptions, all retrobrighting on CZcams is done with methods absolutely engorged with confounding variables.
when you started talking about sponsers you scared the crap out of me but then when a big bold nobody came on my screen i had a ´really good chuckle. Seriously what can you not love about that.
Imagine sitting outside for fifteen years and still work , what a chad monitor
you know they make a 40-gallon version of that container.
11:25
The way "Used to Be" almost sounds like it was dubbed over by someone else.
Awesome work. Love the empirical testing and progress with the studio.
I like the wall with the vinyl stickers a lot. Very much a late 1960´s style!
I`m always feeling a bit sad when an episode of yours is nearing its end.
>David be like: "mmmm yes. Triangles"
>Comments be like: "I HATE THE TRIANGLES. I HATE THE TRIANGLES"
I be like: "mmmm yes. Triangles"
Joke's on the haters, because hexagons are just some triangles bunched together.
I like the triangles because it looks like a low-poly wireframe mesh.
i found someone who likes triangles like i do
u know what they say. particle man hates triangle man.
I love the triangles! I was sad to hear him say he's getting rid of it. That said, his studio is for his use, and if people don't like his decor that's too bad 😤
To be honest when you need a general purpose diode in a pinch the 1N4007 is a good option that will work for the majority of cases. Having a stockpile of some common components in old computers is a pretty good thing to have. I’d say general purpose diodes, 7805 and 7812 voltage regulators, resistors in the standard sizes from 1 ohm to 1 mega ohm, 74 series logic ICs, spare RAM chips, basic sizes of electrolytic capacitors, an assortment of ceramic capacitors, pin headers, suitcase jumpers, and other common ICs found in older computers are all good things to have on hand in a stockpile so you don’t have to order new stuff from mouser every time you need it.
I know nothing about any of this stuff and I randomly came across your restoration video and I wanted to tell you major respect on an amazing job well done. 🤙👍
I'm looking forward to the felt hexagons in the studio background! That would look sharp!
Man, this is perfect timing. Finally home from work, relaxing with a nice meal and my favorite youtuber.
Really enjoyable video. I have been subscribed to your channel for about 5 or so years I think - you are my longest sub and I always look forward to your videos, very enjoyable.
I am now fixated on the yellowed power button... lol... You did a good job for not being high-voltage experienced. Based on some of the troubleshooting Adrian has gone through on old CRTs only replacing that diod is amazing luck, and the screen turned out great. I for one would have picked up a number of monitors and try to restore as many as possible. I know you said there wasn't a line of people wanting to pick them up, but the story might change if they were all restored. It's all would-a, could-a, should-a, so, no complaints, just my blabber mouthing. You are appreciated for what you do. Programing new games for retro devices is a unique blessing.
Thank you, nobody, for sponsoring this video! 😍
You seem happy, which is great considering all you've been through recently.
Nicely done!
I'm having regrets for having so casually rid myself of the last few working CRTs in my collection not so many years ago.
They seemed SO obsolete and useless when I could buy working used LCD panels at thrift stores and yard sales in Reno, Nevada at very low prices.
But now, I wish I had at least ONE good, working CRT monitor around. I've started to keep SOME of the working CRT televisions that I come across, in anticipation of potential usefulness in the future.
Thank you for the update on Studio Build 3! I am on deployment right now and I downloaded 1 and 2, I know this sounds weird but I love watching them over and over. Maybe because as a fellow ITer I've alwys wanted a static-free workshop.
Thanks for all you do 8-Bit guy!