After changing the alignment settings (see yesterday's video), we took out the Supra on the track. Get in touch with me on social: / mgcharoudin / m.g.charoudin
Ah, the differences between making a car great on track and comfortable on the road. The everlasting conundrum of the sports car manufacturers. Great video! Good quality and not much shaking with the new go pro.
Yup, i thinks the sound is perfect. Not to loud, not to silent, not to high pitched, but also not droning. You can hear, what the engine is doing, but it will never annoy you. The perfect sound for long drives on country roads.
@@skrlaviolette really? I can't really listen to this engine.. I guess somewhere from 3500/4000 going up to 5500 or 6000 I really think the sound is artificial and NOT NICE AT ALL!
I am glad to see that Robert has the ability to "feel" how the car is handling and knows what is going to be required to settle the car down a little bit. Most people wouldn't know if the reaction of the car was from weight transfer or poor setup. Looking forward to seeing a lap in the car once the new suspension is installed.
Refreshing to have two guys who actually know cars comment on the Supra!! So cool watching you do a quick lap around the track passing everything in sight in the rain while comely discussing the handling of the car as if you were out for a Sunday drive. Great content. So much more information than from the bulk of the car CZcams crowd.
After watching a few videos of youtubers and THEIR Supras. I think it's "almost" the perfect new Supra. It offers owners a Wide scope for customising to the individuals needs and wants.
These new Supras are very well balanced cars. It is funny that they seem to be coming from the factory with the wrong alignment setups...!! So taking it on a track you need better tires, wheels, suspension, etc... For the regular mountain roads they are just fine after the alignment setup.!! Thanks COMRADES
@Robert, I think you just had cold front tires and not enough negative camber at the front so I had an understeer in the first corner. My M2 does exactly same stock setup on the stock tires. @Misha, the mic of the GoPro is not that bad but we barely hear what Robert is saying. Also, in my opinion, the 1080p60 is a much nice format to view than 4k30...
I share your opinion. He maybe came in too fast relative to the maximum of the front tires. And he said about too much weight being transfered to the front to be causing understeer but from what I know, that weight transfer to the front would minimize understeer, because it would have more normal force on the front tires.
The supra is getting there. Amazing to see what difference alignment can make to a car. Just saw this and the last video back to back so got a better understanding. Loved how the GT2RS just vanished from view.
Well done for getting that footage in there Misha, was steady considering. Very much enjoyed my epic taxi lap yesterday with Moritz in the GT2, good buy Robert👍. Mitchell took me for a lap as well in his M3, the mans a legend!💪 Missed out on a lap today in the F80 with the new mods since the track never opened, dissapointed but hey ho. Maybe next year if im fit enough to travel over, Micra ftw haha. All the best guys and enjoy your driving👍
It is so good to see people who actually understand cars. all the other people that covered this car just saying it's praises so on so forth. and then a group of people who actually push cars and know how to drive cars at their limit realize there was something wrong and they fixed it. now the car does what it's supposed to do when it's supposed to do it. Keep up the good work. PS I like the movile phone coverage, maybe you can mix it up
Hello Misha, Hello Carmrades. So many variables to learn. So many things to do to improve the feeling on this track, and the most important is not the car as I'm concerned (I speak for myself of course) BTW, this Supra is wonderful.
i really liked the video before and after ... i would definitely love to see the video and when you change the dampers i definitely like the technical videos
Great video peeps,how does it feel compared to the gt86 when that only had alignment work? is this supra as good as all the other you tubers are saying???
Good Video! Nice to see that the alignment improved the handling. I would also like to see an onboard lap of the VW Bus. ;) Driving Days have been great, I did 13 laps on Sunday and had the track nearly for myself and could witness some great drifting. And no crashes. It was really worth it. @10:04 oh, look, It's me. Hi \o
I think you should think about implanting a GoPro Mount into your forehead. Pro: Would get rid of the Marks after taking it off, Con: Can't think of any atm.... ;) Nice Video and a very chilled go around
Very late braking points forces you to be very late on the gas. Brake a little bit earlier and then be very early on the throttle. That will make you claerly faster.
Good evening from Australia! The Supra feels rushed off the production line. It's unusual for any modern car manufacturer to leave so much after-purchase fine tuning to the buyer, just to achieve expected performance.
Rushed? Doubtful, this is the first version of the A90 Supra, it's a road car first & foremost. The fact that there's room for improvement is no great surprise, accept to you for some reason.
It's called FINE tuning for a reason. Every single car ever made, can be FINE tuned. They are running the last 1%. Also, they're running it for the track, and 90% of the supras that will be made, will never see a track.
@@xenonram Sure, but from Misha's last video he said it was DANGEROUS at high speed and the rear right wheel was way off because of possible manufacture oversight... I'm only reacting to the information on this channel. If it's not a big deal tell Misha. LoL
hey don't know what's up but the footage feels way less sharp it looks like compression is kicking hard on it might be bitrate to low or something the prev video before aligment was way more sharp and had better quality. also go for 60 fps not 30fps :P even if it lower res.
@@dakmandotcom6682 Not around the Ring, cause RCN and VLN Cars move around plus all lowered Cars on the Weekend. If speedbumps where deployed, some Cars would move in snailspeed over them.
Now I may be bringing up a touchy subject BUT since there are often some very real car people here in Misha’s comment section. I would like to start a discussion and hear some thoughts that you guy have on this question: For good, bad, better or worse, whether you love or hate electric cars blah blah (voice your opinion based on a hypothesis rather than a blind hatred) does anyone think that, even with advancements of internal combustion engines these days as far as emissions and everything, there will one day be no more fully internal combustion engine vehicles if not completely electric cars and electric cars ONLY?? Discuss
will you guys be upgrading the turbo and putting a tune on the Supra after you do the JRZ suspension and MR kinematics, so it has a chance of keeping up with the GT2 RS? thanks for the easy video Misha, you dont always have to spend days editing for an awesome Sunday video for us
Yesterday was alignment, today the advantages of correct suspension for the required job. This is becoming an educational channel and it is good.
Ah, the differences between making a car great on track and comfortable on the road. The everlasting conundrum of the sports car manufacturers. Great video! Good quality and not much shaking with the new go pro.
Robert's voice and the beautiful purr of a BMW engine is basically ASMR.
Yup, i thinks the sound is perfect. Not to loud, not to silent, not to high pitched, but also not droning. You can hear, what the engine is doing, but it will never annoy you. The perfect sound for long drives on country roads.
@@skrlaviolette really? I can't really listen to this engine.. I guess somewhere from 3500/4000 going up to 5500 or 6000 I really think the sound is artificial and NOT NICE AT ALL!
@@W0o0dy yup from the moment they entered the track and went above 3000rpm that fake sound legit shocked me
You don’t realize just how fast that GT2 RS is until it passes you on the track
Love the way your own GT2 RS MR just disappeared off out of sight! :)
I am glad to see that Robert has the ability to "feel" how the car is handling and knows what is going to be required to settle the car down a little bit. Most people wouldn't know if the reaction of the car was from weight transfer or poor setup. Looking forward to seeing a lap in the car once the new suspension is installed.
That was fun ! Thank you, Misha and please thank Robert for taking us ! Much love to all who love cars !
The shifts sound so smooth, from the video audio. Can only hope that is a close depiction!
Thank you, Misha!
That's because it is an automatic trans, not a dual clutch.
Meanwhile in America every youtuber is talking about widebody conversions and stuff...Big up for what you do guys.
Refreshing to have two guys who actually know cars comment on the Supra!! So cool watching you do a quick lap around the track passing everything in sight in the rain while comely discussing the handling of the car as if you were out for a Sunday drive. Great content. So much more information than from the bulk of the car CZcams crowd.
After watching a few videos of youtubers and THEIR Supras. I think it's "almost" the perfect new Supra. It offers owners a Wide scope for customising to the individuals needs and wants.
Love how the GT2RS was there one min and gone the next!
Having a new Onboard with you bout is probably one of the beste things to start a Sunday Morning.
These new Supras are very well balanced cars. It is funny that they seem to be coming from the factory with the wrong alignment setups...!! So taking it on a track you need better tires, wheels, suspension, etc... For the regular mountain roads they are just fine after the alignment setup.!! Thanks COMRADES
@Robert, I think you just had cold front tires and not enough negative camber at the front so I had an understeer in the first corner. My M2 does exactly same stock setup on the stock tires. @Misha, the mic of the GoPro is not that bad but we barely hear what Robert is saying. Also, in my opinion, the 1080p60 is a much nice format to view than 4k30...
I share your opinion. He maybe came in too fast relative to the maximum of the front tires. And he said about too much weight being transfered to the front to be causing understeer but from what I know, that weight transfer to the front would minimize understeer, because it would have more normal force on the front tires.
@@0Freguenedy0 no, weight transfer to the front wheels causes understeer because the weight wants to go straight ahead.
@@Kortec_Racing you're confusing weight with mass
@@silseh okay mister smartass
@@Kortec_Racing your explanation just doesn't make any sense, just letting you know
This video made me want to visit Nürburgring in autumn, there is not much traffic and it looks awesome. I also liked Robert talking about the setup.
And this is how I started my Sunday morning 😊 thank you so much for sharing it with us . ( I think Robert it’s faster than you today 😜)
The supra is getting there. Amazing to see what difference alignment can make to a car. Just saw this and the last video back to back so got a better understanding. Loved how the GT2RS just vanished from view.
You said it just as I started to comment, it's amazing what a small change to the alignment can make
Can't wait to see what you guys do with this car, would love laps like this at each stage(if possible)!
I love these vlogs.
Well done for getting that footage in there Misha, was steady considering. Very much enjoyed my epic taxi lap yesterday with Moritz in the GT2, good buy Robert👍. Mitchell took me for a lap as well in his M3, the mans a legend!💪 Missed out on a lap today in the F80 with the new mods since the track never opened, dissapointed but hey ho. Maybe next year if im fit enough to travel over, Micra ftw haha. All the best guys and enjoy your driving👍
It is so good to see people who actually understand cars. all the other people that covered this car just saying it's praises so on so forth. and then a group of people who actually push cars and know how to drive cars at their limit realize there was something wrong and they fixed it. now the car does what it's supposed to do when it's supposed to do it. Keep up the good work. PS I like the movile phone coverage, maybe you can mix it up
Mooi hoe Robert het bewegen van de Supra omschrijft en wat nog verbeter aandacht verdiend.
Nice lap Misha (& Robert).
Hello Misha, Hello Carmrades.
So many variables to learn.
So many things to do to improve the feeling on this track, and the most important is not the car as I'm concerned (I speak for myself of course)
BTW, this Supra is wonderful.
i really liked the video before and after ... i would definitely love to see the video and when you change the dampers i definitely like the technical videos
The new Gopros' audio is like MILES better than 7's. More of it please :)
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Great video peeps,how does it feel compared to the gt86 when that only had alignment work? is this supra as good as all the other you tubers are saying???
That gt2rs just fucks off😂🤣👍🏼 11:01 i need a lap in it🤤
Coming to Apex this Saturday for some laps in the Polo, M3, and GT2 RS! Hope I can get you to be my instructor!
Good Video! Nice to see that the alignment improved the handling. I would also like to see an onboard lap of the VW Bus. ;)
Driving Days have been great, I did 13 laps on Sunday and had the track nearly for myself and could witness some great drifting. And no crashes. It was really worth it.
@10:04 oh, look, It's me. Hi \o
Looks really impressive the Supra, quite surprised.....
Good stuff, guys. :)
Nice one, guys!
So, can you add a wing to help get rid of high speed oversteer, or will spring and damper settings be enough?
Saw the supra yesterday on my way to do a couple laps. Noice
HOLY MOLY that gt2rs was in fast forward mode
IT was gone before we knew it lol
"Here, let me kill you real quick" xD
Wow Robert can really drive... Whats his background?
Cool boss level 1000 👍🏼👍🏼
Let's go!
Top video 👍
Do I hear fake engine sounds from the speakers? If so, can it be coded out like in BMWs?
Through corners carrying speed, which is better? Supra or GT86?
It's like playing turismo...look how fast the scenery passes.
did Smee's one feel the same?
So how does too much weight on the front causes the car to understeer?
I think you should think about implanting a GoPro Mount into your forehead. Pro: Would get rid of the Marks after taking it off, Con: Can't think of any atm.... ;) Nice Video and a very chilled go around
Good morning ✌🏻
Ever consider spoiler (like GT86)? Even if a lip spoiler?
I know you guys are going coilover next, and maybe seat + harness bars?
Is it just my tv or the gopro or is the sound really fake sounding?
Castle VLOGGGG
it was - thanks!
Everyone loves the new supra, (including the haters)
This Gopro 8 have a very good audio quality !
Mr. Misha, the question: for you, M2 or Supra?
Good video
Martin Chapman Good comment!
Good comment
Racing alignments should take into account the loading that squats the front and rear under braking and acceleration.
funny, a few minutes ago I watched the first ever Race on the Nürburgring GP track from 1984, now you upload a Gesamtstrecke lap
Very late braking points forces you to be very late on the gas. Brake a little bit earlier and then be very early on the throttle. That will make you claerly faster.
Drive a 21! Totally different.
Проба пера?
Good evening from Australia!
The Supra feels rushed off the production line.
It's unusual for any modern car manufacturer to leave so much after-purchase fine tuning to the buyer, just to achieve expected performance.
Rushed?
Doubtful, this is the first version of the A90 Supra, it's a road car first & foremost.
The fact that there's room for improvement is no great surprise, accept to you for some reason.
@@Zerofightervi Ummm, okay.
It's called FINE tuning for a reason. Every single car ever made, can be FINE tuned. They are running the last 1%. Also, they're running it for the track, and 90% of the supras that will be made, will never see a track.
@@xenonram Sure, but from Misha's last video he said it was DANGEROUS at high speed and the rear right wheel was way off because of possible manufacture oversight...
I'm only reacting to the information on this channel. If it's not a big deal tell Misha. LoL
I know the track is public road, but can police actually do a speed control ore pull your over for control for führerschein ausweis and vest ?
The track is not a public road, you only have to follow a few traffic regulations, like overtake on the left etc.
You need a 2nd microphone for Robert, was very difficult to hear him at times
well, new gopro has got issues with some flickering, or it just recording with 120fps and my stone age monitor can't handle it=\
gg
hey don't know what's up but the footage feels way less sharp it looks like compression is kicking hard on it might be bitrate to low or something the prev video before aligment was way more sharp and had better quality. also go for 60 fps not 30fps :P even if it lower res.
Great analysis and fun lap to watch.
Boy, did your GT2 RS disappear out of your lives quickly there, wow!
Arbitrary like when reading the title lol
Go pro 8 doesn't like the refresh rate of infotaintment screen :)
When you put it in Normal mode you also turned off Sport suspension! That caused the instability at speed 🤦♂️
Wish it wasn't too short for me.
That artificial engine sound makes me feel kinda sick it's sad :(
excellent video nonetheless
Ehm , seat belt ?
Warlok we had em on
@@RobertMitchell alright, it just seems like you didn't. You know safety first :)
WTF are those road barriers for ?
Top prevent speeding
@@MDjango Wow, maybe speed humps would be better, at least then two lanes can flow without that silly crap.
@@dakmandotcom6682 Not around the Ring, cause RCN and VLN Cars move around plus all lowered Cars on the Weekend. If speedbumps where deployed, some Cars would move in snailspeed over them.
@@MDjango thanks.
@@MDjango still stupid. EVERYONE driving to left of center is way more than someone potentially speeding.
How old do you have to be, to rent a car at Apex? 😊
Valdemar Norman just have a drivers license and come through:-)
Robert Mitchell I’ll see you in 2020 then 🙏😉
Word of the week weight transfer…
Can you guys post the alignment settings used for the supra? Thanks
Watch yesterday's video
I duplicated the Apex Taxi Supra on Gran turismo sport.
He（Vehicle Virgins）has bought his own Toyota Supra! He（Vehicle Virgins）is now in Las Vegas!
U need full coilover with -2 camber front/rear (I think)
Nice bmw
Foodshot 0/10
I'm currently making tomatosoup
Now I may be bringing up a touchy subject BUT since there are often some very real car people here in Misha’s comment section.
I would like to start a discussion and hear some thoughts that you guy have on this question:
For good, bad, better or worse, whether you love or hate electric cars blah blah (voice your opinion based on a hypothesis rather than a blind hatred) does anyone think that, even with advancements of internal combustion engines these days as far as emissions and everything, there will one day be no more fully internal combustion engine vehicles if not completely electric cars and electric cars ONLY??
Discuss
Do you remember Parker Nenstein , which l saw at the end of 2017? He is from United States of America! You know? Vehicle Virgins CZcams Channel!
Can see why you guys are not GP track fans ..does not look s fun drive !
Mouse Mota Theres nothing like the nordschleife 🤘
aaaaand the GT2 RS is GONE...
will you guys be upgrading the turbo and putting a tune on the Supra after you do the JRZ suspension and MR kinematics, so it has a chance of keeping up with the GT2 RS?
thanks for the easy video Misha, you dont always have to spend days editing for an awesome Sunday video for us
@@kenlarge5154 "keep up with the gt2rs" that's cute.
@@xenonram i swear if its setup and has 600 kw, it will keep up with a great driver
The engine sound is straight out of Gran Turismo, synthetic and whiney.
Supra is absolutely rubbish without a tune and downpipes.
"downpipeS"