Task FAILED Successfully: BMW Z4 Bumpsteer as "Bad" as Toyota Supra?
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- čas přidán 23. 07. 2024
- Nick ( / nfoxtv ) brought me his BMW Z4 M40i to try out. I was curious to see how much the car compared to a Supra and was surprised, for the better.
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Disclaimer: the actions performed in this video are executed by professionals or individuals that consider themselves professional on a closed circuit within the local regulations.
00:00 Intro
01:45 Lap, Dry
03:55 Full WET
13:13 Verdict - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Thanks again Misha, what a drive. As someone in the media space I know the challenges of conveying speed through video but for anyone not aware, this was bloody quick considering how wet the track was. I tried my very best to look chill, but I was cacking myself! Such an awesome experience and a real eye opener to what is possible in the right hands. Great to spend the week with you and can’t wait for our M5 content to go live!
Oh, and we’ll get that dry lap in next season for sure!
Thanks again for the trust! It was great spending time with you and doing laps!
It felt like he was at the grip level watching from the outside in. My favorite channel for driving/cars. What a cool video!
It's especially scary if you do your very first Ring lap with Misha, not realizing how much grippier the surface is than normal roads - meaning on normal roads, at those speeds, you're breaking traction and going into the barrier. And no, video, especially wide angle one like this, doesn't relate the experience at all - corners are much tighter and elevation changes much more extreme than they seem on video.
I have the previous model (E89) 35is (now at 231.000km), and looking at the new Z4. Still getting used to the new disign.
Have mine upgraded with a fin & plate intercooler, other oil thermostat and had it tuned.
Must plan a testdrive in the new one....have no idea how the ride compares.
I know that with my 1m92, it will have a better fit :)
The most underrated BMW in the current range, in my view
Bescous ugly design (
@@justmalkin1328 I think it looks good, better than the Supra. Pictures don't do it justice.
@@justmalkin1328looks much better in person. Photos video don’t do it justice
We have this car about half year, also the M40i. The car is superior, the engine is powerful plenty of torque. The only downside might be the weight, you really do feel the weight of the car. Although it pretty much handles well. So still a pretty good car to daily and have some fun
Yes you do feel the weight but its like ~3450 pounds. All the new BMW are like 3800-4000 lbs which is way heavier @@HCChen86
I have the same car with Magma red. 382hp here in Canada. Crazy little sports car.
Green hell: from dry to fully wet within 15 sec. Cant imagine how this feels in a GT3 on slicks during a fight.
Not fun
Imagine doing a f1 race in this conditions😁
Microclimate has always been an issue at the Ring. It's big enough that it could be sunny in one part and rainy in another. It would have been really exciting 40 years ago when tyre technology wasn't as good as it is now
@@_Philip_.2021 Russian gp 😂 Lando knows all too well
Love your content! Respect from Long Island New York
Shows that you can be pretty quick even in the wet if you have the proper track knowledge. The car did really well considering the conditions. Riding those bikes in the pouring rain must be something else for those bikers. Feels scary in a car.
All bikers in "Northern" climate look like kamikaze to me :)
To be fair I own this car and it's EXTREMELY SLIPPERY IN EVEN THE MILDEST WET CONDITIONS. Shortetest wheelbase of any bmw in 2 decades doesn't help. But he is driving it with traction control on though so that helps
Respect Misha, in these wet conditions gr8 driving as always!!
Love your vids man, keep up the great work :)
Ive watch many vudeos regarding the z4 m40i as part of my research into my next car, this was really interesting for a different reason. Just seeing what this car is capable of in the right hand and in the right situation helps with my decision 👏
Like Misha is commentating and passes such a lot cars, really nice
That Z4 was not bad at all. The sound was great, even if it came from speakers. The grip and handling seemed alright, despite the wet track. Congratulations to the owner, he made the right choice 👍🏻
Helen Keller over here
That looked really fun, driving in the wet can be scary, but it’s the best experience
This is my arch nemesis in Assetto Corsa career mode right now. The non M version. And they did implement the bumpsteer too
Michelin Sport 4 and 4S tires are fantastic for wet weather !.
Wow. Rain again. Hoping for the dry lap tmoz 😂 Nuff numptys about today too. That's a nice car too. Don't think ive seen one in real life. ✌
Have you thought about making a compilations of your favourite moments of the season?
2 Moments come to mind, like with Meggie when you saved M3 and carousel exit in Cayenne😄
I'd really love to see you compare it to the 4-Cylinder 30i Z4. Some say it's remarkably better handling and not really much slower, apart from top speeds of course. If you ever happen to get one on the track, your opinion is one that matters to me. It has happened many times now that you get your hands on a car that I really like but has mediocre reviews or no coverage at all and you happen to really like it 🙂
You definitely feel the weight difference, the s30i is more nimble and acceleration feels almost as good under 200kmh. It also has better balanced because the smaller engine is further back in the chassis. But I'm changing my s30i for an m40i anyway because I want to have that engine before it's banned in Europe.
@@stephanforseillesyeah the b58 is nice to have, so many possible upgrades, it sounds amazing, a real bmw 6 cilinder , maybe the last?
The owner looked genuinely scared, but biting his lip to look calm! Probably thinking… insurance won’t cover track damage.
I can confirm, I was shitting myself and doing my best impression to look calm. 😂
Good the sat nav had the circuit on or you guys might have got lost.😊
Fantastische regen ronde!
Mishaaaaaaa! Please drive an E89 Z4 on this track
Nice drive but what an awful engine noise. Is it coming through the speakers ? It sounds so fake !
Yep, speakers
The new ones are even worse with a fake pop and fake burbles
@@mgcharoudinthe Asian variant that comes with 387hp sound better
Big deal. Turn the engine speakers off.
After hydroplaning off the highway at 60 mph a few years ago, this gives me anxiety.
Michelin Sport 4 or 4s tires and no more scares.
Don’t buy crappy cheap tyres
@@stephenpage-murray7226 They weren't cheap, just didn't belong in the rain. The rears were drag radials, with tiny channels for rain. So once the rears started sliding, there wasn't much I could do. Even though I slowed doen from the speed limit of 75 to 60, I forgot that they were drag radials since I only drove that car when I was in the US, 2 weeks out of the year. Ultimately, it was my fault, but I could have killed my wife and I. And we both hate driving in the rain now.
@@TexanInItaly
Drag radials and rain a bad combo.
@@TexanInItaly I'm spoiled with Dutch roads quality and very good rain tires. Feels really good in the rain to the point it make me overconfident
wtf i would shit my self in that rain xD
My old Z4 certainly has loads of bump steer!
Is the material stress worth the fun of kerbing? Or is it just for the knowledge of how the car drives over those bumps? I wouldn't like my car to be driven over them either way since it only causes costs to rapidly 'bump' the schedule that way. Not being able to afford hobbies takes away all the fun from them :(
good point that seems to be forgotten by a fast guys with plenty of sources, you can also drive slower and don't push that hard, just watch your mirror for upcoming traffic and make them space
Those poor wipers
Does this car suffers water ingress on its hydraulic roof motor? If so; is there any OE relocator kit for it yet?
Got one since 3 years, never got any water. And I use a pressure washer (yeah, I know).
Heavy rain and you still in comfort zone.
B58 🔥🔥
Good video
Good comment
Мишаня красава! Как думаешь за сколько Жига Северную петлю пролетит?
Can you state from least favourite to favourite drivetrains you like best to race around the track!
AWD,RWD or FWD
RWD or FWD equal, AWD least
@@mgcharoudinso fwd over awd? How come? Have you ever driven an evo?
@@tobywonkinoby8916 literally last week on the channel. Awd is just weight with little benefits. It may be faster than awd, but not more fun. Personal preference.
@@mgcharoudin idk how I missed that! About to go watch it right now!
Now, I'm interesting to see what's the difference Z4 rear suspension compare to GR Supra, what made them so bad!
Really surprised a supposedly similar car can be so different!
The first Supras came off the belt with horribly wrong alignment, that made the car lethal on high speeds. IDK if new ones are any better.
@@mgcharoudin I remember you guys had a GR Supra & the alignment were horrible, it's almost as if no one check the alignment after the car was off the production line!
Hopefully next year, someone would borrow a GR Supra to you. 😁
It seems that these guys are the ones that have the problem, plenty of other dudes all over the place without these issues. Might've been a single car issue
I think that all these problems are solved in 2023 GR Supra version.
@@mgcharoudin Test a GR Supra with manual transmission, please !.
Watching the "Mpg" meter was sort of amusing. 🙂
Yeah, from 40-50 to 4-5 and back 😮
completely useless atm :D
So would u buy z4 over the supra?
The new Supras don’t have the bump steer problem anymore.
I just read that Misha is involved in the new Honda Type R trying to set a FWD lap record?
Haha what?
It is true, I was the Civic.
@@augustortiz 🤨🤨🤨
@@augustortiz tell us more Mr. Civic, it is your Civic duty
Four different tracks on one lap; dry, light rain, heavy rain, sunny and soaked! 😜
What's bumpsteer?
Where the wheel wants to pull to the right or left when hitting imperfections in the road or with a " heavy crown " to the road. Drive a 15-20 GT350 and you will know what bumpsteer or tramlining is. It pulls at the steering wheel under certain road situations.
@@mikeh.748 Thank you!
lets do one with my e46 328 2000 :) with 70k on the clock totally stock :) how about that>>??
Let's!
@Misha Charoudin let's keep in touch and set some date 📅
Hairdresser car?
Toyota: hold my Supra.
..I kid. This is an M40i people!
Wow
The fake sound pumped through the speakers is absolute shite across the range on these BMW's.....Great cars though.
I have a Z4 M40i and the fake sound is actually quite good but never comes across on video. I had to turn it off after fitting a DSP amplifier. The dsp amplified the fake sound to unbearable levels. With no fake sound the car sounded awful. It is truly silent, eerily so. I’ve a euro model with OPF filter 😢. I’ve now fitted a 200 cel sports cat which improves things greatly but the opf has to go. The fake sound is now back on but at a lower level. It has to be altered at pro coding level.
@@Largeone1968 I just removed the OPF a week ago on my M40i and brother, it's the single greatest thing you can do to that car. It sounds so good now, and it feels like it can properly breathe after 4k RPM instead of sounding choked. And I'm pretty sure some power was gained as well, the car feels more eager to go. Just do it, you won't regret it.
Just keep in mind that you'll need those LEIB connectors, specifically the OPF deleter (which will prevent limp mode) and the CAN MIL deleter (which will prevent check engine light - this one's optional). The CAN MIL is a bit of a pain to install, you can take it to a shop. Or you can bypass both of these and get a tuning box (since we can't flash remap yet, DME is locked).
If, like me, you're worried about passing the emissions test: you can fit the new and old midpipes (that's where the OPF is) with V-bands such that you can easily swap them whenever you need to pass your test. I think this option is like 100-150 EUR more expensive compared to welding, but it's worth it for peace of mind.
@@xIcarus227Shortly after I posted I fitted a bypass pipe in place of the OPF filter.
Combined with the sports cat this was too loud for my tastes.
I went back to the exhaust company and they fitted a straight through resonator where the OPF used to be.
The car now sounded good.
I bought a ASR remote valve controller and that’s when I realised thar the valve is almost always open, even in comfort.
This meant that the OPF bypass might have been acceptable after all.
I then fitted a quad tip Remus axle back. This added some more noise and deep bass. It also has twin valves. Even with the valves are open, the car is never noisy.
I have a decat in the garage which I shall try and see what that does.
I may then try another OPF bypass pipe but it that proves too noisy again I may try a valved resonator in place of the OPF.
I shall get there in the end.
Removing the OPF adds a lot of torque, not that these cars are short of it.
@@xIcarus227
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@@Largeone1968 haha nice man, looks like you went pretty all-out with it. I'm glad you found the Remus one to be adequate for you.
You're right that a sports cat increases volume a lot, a simple OPF strikes a good balance in my opinion. I've seen an M40i with OPF and cat delete and it was hella loud.
It would make sense that removing the OPF adds torque, it does feel like power has increased across the entire rev range, and there seems to be less turbo lag at low RPMs.
I guess the ECU can take advantage of the less restricted exhaust flow automatically, without a remap.
oh yeah Misha wheres pancake these days...?
Same thing different color
He must have had an update to the maps. It notices the Nurburgring and the Nordschleife very well. Also the clock direction of the RPM gauge is giving me panic attacks. Lol
Are you an American? It makes sense. The speedo goes left and right, and the rpm gauhe completes the look going the other direction. What would look really bad and off is if the rpm gauhe also went left and right 🤮
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I think someone high up at BMW really loved the Supra, and called Toyota and said, "Hallo, can we please build the next Supra for you? You will just fuck it up and give it a shitty prius engine. But just change the badges, and the styling, ok?" Then the people at Toyota decided BMW's suspension was all wrong, and gave it a Rav 4 alignment, and then a whole load of fake grills and decided they'd made the ultimate, ultimate driving machine. At least they didn't put the prius engine in it.
All new ish bmws sound drab.. monotonal and boring..
Speakers making the sound that's why