Keep the Real World out of Battletech.
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- Battletech is for Battletech fans, and Battletech fans only. It's not a mouthpiece for your ideology, whatever that might be. Join in the fun or leave it alone.
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Battletech is not for everyone. Battletech is for everyone who wants to play Battletech.
Agree.
Agreed. If i play this game with a buddy from the rainbow troupe, i'm more interested in his paintjob than who his "favorite" Character is.
@@acceptablecasualty5319 to be fair, it's likely going to be a pretty good and colorful paint job. Haha.
Okay tourist.
You mean you don't ship Steiner and Davion?
The only ideology I support is the one that lets me get access to more LB-10X’s so I can put them in mechs that have absolutely no business having one installed.
Me but with the AC/20 and its derivatives
We have all the LB-10xes one could ever want. And LB-2xes, and LB-5xes, and LB-20xes.
Because we were smart enough not to nuke ourselves into the stone age.
Hmm need more Hvy Gausses...lol
I once made a Spider that only had a sible lb-10x. It had wet toilet paper for armor, 15 shots for ammo, and the biggest engine it could fit.
I had to wait till the end of the game when torsos and backs started being exposed. But let me tell you. NO ONE expects a spider to come out from hiding with 135 kph and put a shot into your back faster than you realize whats happening.
@@19Crusader91 xD. Speaking of back shots...I waddled my Fafnir around a corner just in time to clap the cheeks a Marauder 2 with my twin Hvy Gausses lol. 1-shotted his untouched back armor. xD
I am a gay man that has played battletech since like 1985. I have never cared if there was any queer representation in the series, simply because I just want to play a mechwarrior in a giant mech, stomping around and going on adventures. What I do in the bedroom has nothing to do with my game table space. Just let me play my favourite game. I know others always want representation but let that be their axiom in the real world. I want to pretend I am a Steiner Pilot fighting off the Clans. (( I know that the Lyrans are on death's door but I will always be a Steiner fan boy ))
If I could give this 50 upvotes I would. I hope you always feel welcome to just come and play battletech without having to worry about the hot topic of the day.
Its not about queer or lgbt, its the trans flag that is political, it says parents have no rights and perverts can sexually indroctinate kids, undetstand the difference?
Bro the best part is you can be gay and still not be cringe in scifi. That's what really gets me. It should be "look at this cool character who drives a king crab and has a drinking people because hes a steiner fallen noble. Also he's gay." But the left will put it backwards, talk about the color of his hair, his outfit, how gay he is then mention he drives an assault mech. It's terrible that a straight conservative nerd can write characters that are gay instead of gays that happen to be characters
Mage spazzing out is over fan fiction, nothing to do with the game. People who focus on the game aren't focusing on the fiction.
@@Condottiero_Magno This is intellectual dishonesty to claim. Battletech is an expanded universe with many media inputs and claiming that "people only care about the game" shows you don't know what a fan base is or does.
Couldn't agree more. Brave of you to put yourself out there and make statements like these. We go to Battletech for Escapism. We like Escapism. Keep it Escapism.
Beware those who head into the comment section.
Why do you want to escape from a world where gay and queer people exist?
I'm gatekeeping with my Steiner scout squad.
It's actually explicitly not brave to take a stance like this specifically because you know it'll get clicks.
Brave of you to call a sexuality political and an unwanted intrusion from the real world. A guys kisses the bar maid and its not anything to do with real life politics, but two dudes kiss after a mech battle and suddenly it is.
@@biscuithammer00 So your best shot at discrediting him is „it’s only for the views!“?
Yeah I think I know what your actual problem with him is.
This is why I don't like people trying to remove the "future of the '80s" aesthetic and culture from Battletech. Because without that as a shield, it becomes a lot easier to shove in CURRENT YEAR crap (from either side of the culture war).
Dude, "current" year shit will long outlive this franchise, your life, my life, and whatever excuses for legacies we will leave. You're being thin skinned.
From what i have seen, "current year crap" is perpetual. People 200 years ago were doing the same kids these days shit that happens now with cellphones about paper replacing slate in schools. Religous conservitives have been stirring up moral panic stuff since at least probition and probably all the way back to the start of mankind. It's probably for the same reasons. Todays video game is yesterday's movies, and tv is yesterday's D&D is yesterday's dime novel. As long as we are human and let human nature guide humanity the rich eliet will always take advantage of the common man and think himself superior, the common man will have to fight for their just dues, and the outcast and minorities will be abused.
What made me laugh was someone on the subreddit thanking Catalyst for taking their stance by saying that it was what had made them interested in battletech.
The fact that this person doesn't actually care about battletech and is only there for the IRL politics was apparently not something most of the alleged fans of battletech picked up on.
It shouldn't be a surprise that taking a stand against the perceived intolerance of a game's community would make people who are victims of that intolerance more likely to check it out.
@@biscuithammer00 If you’re in Battletech for irl politics, you’re there for irl politics, not Battletech.
They are not Battletech fans and I have a hard time believing they ever would be, because they don’t care about the lore or mechs or the game, they care about the irl politics, the one thing everyone else has come to Battletech to forget about.
Gatekeep, gatekeep like the survival of your hobby depends on it.
If they're not in it for the fun, for the hobby itself, they can see the door.
@biscuithammer00 I didn't know a fictional universe that has existed for almost 50 years has anything to do with current IRL politics
@@KG-jm1zl Have you not been paying attention? BT is full of real life allegory. Not like BLP was keeping his politics out of his narratives.
Application of a Gaussrifle to a cockpit results in Genderfluid
Kek.
Lol
Well, there will definitely fluid in the cockpit.
Damnit these companies really are trying to kill escapism aren't they.
Your escapism is problematic if what you want to escape is their religion.
And it is a religion, despite the lack of traditional symbols. These people have the same obnoxiousness and zeal I saw in fundamentalist Christians I poked fun and argued against back in the 90s and early 2000s.
@@MoreEvilThanYahweh you have a good point there my friend.
@@MoreEvilThanYahweh Cult, of the Koolaid drinking variety
@@MoreEvilThanYahweh Username checks out
It's because of Soviet influence
All art is propaganda
Ppl act like the KGB wasn't a thing or that people aren't gaslighting people with Marx or Marx inspired philosophers.
But they are, lol.
The only politics I need in Battletech are the exchanges between Takashi Kurita and Hanse Davion.
No inter-house marriages?
2 gauss rifles up!
And the clans and Comstar
"I'm a non-bin-"
"Yeah, my SRM don't give a shit if you're an actual velociraptor named Curly Joe. You're here to do a job and if I like ya, which I doubt, you can tell me all your life story"
Bullets do not care about your religion, sex, gender pronouns, sexual preferences, or even who your non-existent daddy works or knows. All it cares about is "DAKKADAKKADAKKADAKKA!!!" Or my personal favorite, "BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT!!"
And if somehow Bullets did care. Bullets still wouldn't care. (So need to just name a mech "Bullets" now. All with the sign "This is my 'I don't care' face." On it.)
This sounds like what they told the Gunslinger program cadets.
If we are in a Mech and a covnersation starts like that, then this is going one of two ways: 1) It is the enemy trying to do some kind of presentation to say who is going to try and kill me, which is going to likely fail. 2) It is a friendly that is going to be told to shut up, or there will be friendly fire. Focus on the mission or jump out (if you have the time for it with that word salad).
I got my Binary Laser here!!!!
There's space for the worst of both sides of any politics in Battletech
Many factions with very varied politics gives a rich opportunity to slot things in. Just don't paint them as right or wrong.
Racist genocide? We have a clan for that
Militaristic Fudalism? We have a house for that
Johnstown murder Cult? We have a telephone company for that
It's a fictional universe. It should be filled with variety and explore ideas. Not judge them
1. The point of a flag is to indicate who controls a specific territory. Pushing a flag is always a power play.
2. Conflating "I am X" with "I demand you fly the X flag" should indicate that these are dishonest/un-well people and their concerns should be dismissed as such.
My Atlas identifies as a light mech. Don't hurt its feelings, it's self conscious about its weight class.
Well said. Sadly, this was all predictable. It will get worse. You hit the nail on the head. "BattleTech is for everyone, except for the people I don't like."
Says the guy who wears his politics on his sleeve and can't help but force his own beliefs into his work. And with the subtlety of a sledgehammer to the kneecaps.
You've gotten away with it in the past. So can they.
@Dallas Reinhart None of his BattleTech work had any of that. Those works, were his own, and had NOTHING to do with BattleTech.
Its also starting to get a grip on anime and manga over in japan too.
@@Cross_Malaki then you haven't try to find out about his latest novel series where it's a dystopia America and 'Grrrrrr, left wing bad' ?
Seriously, the dude is as impartial as Tom Kratman.
@@1nONLY_DRock again, what the hell does that have to do with BattleTech?
The most I want the real world to be in BattleTech can be exemplified by how the conflict in "Ideal War" is directly inspired by the Vietnam War. Directly inspired, but modified to fit and make sense in the setting.
I would actually be okay with an SJW faction.
Like a Magistracy of Canopus splinter faction that paints the heads of their mechs bright purple.
When salvaging watch out for the traps in the cockpits. 🤔
@@jtjames79 I mean I'm sure that most factions could be considered "SJW" since they tend to let just about anyone fight for them if they're good enough.
I'm working on an alternate Jihad where Word of Blake is a bit more like the Iranian Ayatollahs sponsoring a popular revolution against the Great Houses standing in as the Shah.
same with tukayyid being based on the battle of kursk
@@jtjames79 That would be extremely annoying tho.
Besides, the people of the inner sphere have A LOT more (and more pressing) problems to deal with other than „what gender am I?“, so I don’t think that faction would be gaining momentum in the BT universe anyways.
Certain groups cannot keep their politics out of fantasy worlds. These people cannot distinguish between the two.
It's why they ruined all our favorite movie franchises. Lotr franchise here is looking at you and bring your friend SW
They need to be put in straight jackets and locked in a rubber room.
Keep straight marriage out of Battletech! No Steiner/Davion alliance!
@@nerag7459 are you only against straight marriages, or are you against gay ones too?
@@HeadHunterSix I'm against politics in games. Straight marriages are political as they are used to govern political alliances so I'm against them. Gay sex does not involve marriage or transfer of title so I'm for it! Keep politics out of games!
Gaming store shopkeeper here. No game is for "Everyone." If one was, you would only find one game at all the stores and the rest would only be sold online by self-publishers. I assure you, no angle you ever use will get my parents or most of my family to play Battletech, they simply have no interest in big stompy robots. Also I have an ever-growing list of gay and bi customers who are sick of this kind of thing pushing its way into gaming. Gay players, bi players, straight players, they want fiction that lets them escape from reality, not to be reminded of the latest political fad constantly. This will not help sales.
Do you turn people away from certain games because the customer is gay? Or a woman? Or black? I'm guessing no. That's what they mean by the game is for "everyone." Anyone who wants to play should feel welcome to do so. It is smart business to not be seen as a game for vile cretins who can't stand you because of who you are.
You can always tell an sjw by the way they lecture you, while putting words in your mouth.
Op never said anything of the sort. You're trying to be offended.
@@jtjames79 Well then how do you explain their clear inability to understand something as simple as Battletech being for "everyone"?
@@biscuithammer00 Those who live in glass houses should not cast stones.
@@biscuithammer00 They can say it til the cows come home, but that's not what they MEAN when they say it.
The absolute irony of using a timber wolf and the phrase "this machine stomps fascists"
The clans are not exactly a good society.
But I agree, leave your politics at the door for god sake! I do think this is mostly an online issue, I've never actually seen these people in reality and most of my gaming group don't even know anything about each others political beliefs
Thats because real world consequences happen when they run their mouths without the anonymity of the internet, and the protection of a screen and keyboard. I unfortunately have. I have no problem ruining the game for people like that to the point they find another hobby.
We are the best society the Inner Sphere could possibly hope for.
I guess they are okay with a caste system and slavery as long as only the "fascists" are the slaves.
@@starcoloneldunadansonoft501 Do you get rid of those people?
Clans barely tolerate interacting with each other normally. They would have zero concepts of the LGBT; in fact they would see it as inefficient and barbaric.
Agreed. I got really depressed about this whole fiasco. It didn't help that the most prideful won in the end.
My brother put it best though, catalyst isn't the ultimate controller of all things battletech and mechwarrior. This hobby and fandom existed way before they got their grimy hands on it.
I plan to make fanart and 3d models inspired by this setting, not for their sake, but for the sake of the fans and myself who just want some escapism and robots.
I dont have to get their permission to be a fan of something they dont care for.
won? really the traffic there was weak support tepid save the usual suspects but at the end of the day it's took less than a week for pride month to pretty much die companies changed there logos back
I have been feeling the same.
Battletech has for nearly two decades, been a (pardon the term) "safe space" for me. When life was really bad as a child, I would get out my little stompy robots and let loose my imagination. But lately it feels like there is some new thing people are fighting over that has nothing to do with BT. Whereas in the past it constantly brought me joy now it often brings depression and sadness. I daresay this IS the goal of these charlatans.
I very much do hope both you and I can find some solice and joy in either BT again or another IP for our own mental wellbeing.
The most prideful most win sometime because they lose at everything else. Don't worry though the outcomes of this is going to be low.
"I dont have to get their permission to be a fan of something they dont care for."
Powerful quote my bro.
We enjoy our hobby to take a break from the real world....well said sir!
Sorry gay people trigger you.
So the real world issue that you need a break from is gay people existing and the made up escapism you want involves war crimes over heterosexual marriages fought over by giant robots? uh huh
My view is;
A tabletop war game between armies of big stompy robots is not the forum for your real world politics. If you insist on trying to force it in, then I begin to question if you even believe in the politics you’re pushing or just want to start a fight with fans.
I work hard and care about many issues in the world. But battletech (and 40k) is where I go to get away from all that for a couple hours.
I didn't know gay people were political.
On behalf of 40K fans, sorry guys. Hope you guys get to enjoy your stompy robot game and I get to enjoy my angry guys with flashlights game again soon.
"Teh gays stole my game about really buff guys hanging out with other buff guys!" *Custodes Theme Plays*
@Nerag I don't know whether you're joking or serious, so I will just say this, usually, when people complain about the identity politics in 40K, it's usually after someone does something so utterly dumbfuck stupid, like trying to call their transfem Marine chapter canon, and usually but not always with the intent of "Haha take THAT neckbeards, and if you criticize any of this you're some form of ist or phobe!"
@@anionleader Exactly. I don't care what you identify as, just as long as when we play 40K, we focus on the fact we're 40K fans.
@@anionleader Yeah, but that's laughed at and ignored by GW.
@ACCEPTABLE CASUALTY Not every fandom will get along and sing Kumbaya. That's simply reality. But this seems to be directly antagonizing the other fans. Take, for example, the transfem Marine example I made. It could be Golden Daemon level of painting and hobbywork, but if their motive of doing it was the aforementioned "Haha take that neckbeards" spite, then they don't deserve to be in the fandom because they're just 50 sphincters of asshole.
Thank God for the community who has the prints. Would rather support them than CGL.
“There’s no reason for a mech in 3025 to have a Gadsden flag”
*Glares in Concordat*
The Gadsden flag is American. America as a free nation disappeared long before interstellar travel was invented. It's doubtful that any of their symbols survive into 3025.
@@mageleader3699 I agree wholeheartedly with your video when it comes to ALL entertainment. That said the Gadsden flag is a symbol of resistance and it's not out of line to believe that those wouldn't have made it to some of the early Earth colonies and even into places like the Concordat by the 31st Century.
Ancient symbols find their places thousands of years after their inception. Look at the eagle. That has its origin in Ancient Rome, and possibly before--yet despite what Tex calls it I doubt that's a purple parakeet symbolizing the Free Worlds League.
@@davemilner5504 It's American and it's political. Leave it out.
@@mageleader3699 I'm not saying to put it in the games. I'm talking theoretically here and pointing out that it wouldn't be unusual in that universe that someone wouldn't be using ancient symbology. As I said I completely agree that politics of ANY kind doesn't belong in BattleTech.
Should be.." don't poke the bull."
Every Star Wars, Star Trek, 40k, and Marvel/DC fan : "First Time ?"
the most real world politics i want in battletech is rebels taking on corrupt governments, in giant stompy robots and occasionally combined arms.
Wait wait wait... honestly and truly, when has this happened? I'm struggling to think of an example. When have we seen legit rebels go up against a corrupt government?
@@nerag7459 it's a common scenario I run in games but it's far from a specific canon example.
@@thejoey468983 Its a good one to play. I'm just struggling to think when it came up in canon.
@@nerag7459 every great house in BattleTech is massive. Hundreds of worlds and probably trillions of people. If the government is assumed to exist to serve the interests of the people and the state, and it is not doing that, it is corrupt and worthy of being a target. Boom, instant battle scenario background.
@@thejoey468983 Oh I follow that to be sure. The houses are neo feudal dictatorships. But canonically can you remember an official scenario where it happened? There has to be a few but I can't think of one.
from a 40k fan talking to a battle tech fan all i can say is good luck
the tourist will come like an unending tide of destruction
Very left wing person here, FWIW you make some very good points.
I get the feeling that ideologically we'd butt heads and TBF I ain't got the time for that, but I'm with you on keeping things *just fucking on-topic*
One day, you may reach adulthood. Then the rose colored glasses come off.
Dunno, knocking on 40 and am pretty sure my faith in humanity is ruined, chap!
@@ArcaanRitual Sounds like you need a new social circle that isn't infested with far lefties. Get out into the real world, leave the city.
How can you have no faith in humanity and be left-wing?
Left-wing ideology supposes that people are raised to be bad, but are fundamentally good.
@@astrovarius543 on the contrary, people are generally selfish and it only gets worse in groups. We are typically only generous when it is convenient for us. The extreme liberal viewpoint is that this tendency actually requires regulation to curb for the greater good. Just like the extreme conservative viewpoint is that people should be able to do pretty much anything they want, unless it affects them directly.
I've come to treat modern day politics born out of the English speaking side of the world with the same attitude as the Taurians dealing with Inner Sphere politics.
"Go back where you came from or I'm gonna play the lottery with Nuclear Coordinates."
And then they sold out to the capellans.
Based on the comments that have been made about the future of Clan Lore This is not at all surprising. I'm sure soon in the IlClan era We will have purple-haired non-binary intersectional feminist heroes before too long. I always loved battle tech because it almost fell like a story pulled straight out of the Middle ages but brought into the distance future, This kind of woke modern real life politics nonsense is going to kill the vibe of the entire franchise.
Stop giving these people money and let it die.
I will always grateful for the community taking us 40k players in. We are sorry that the plague of politics followed us to this safe haven
Won't speak for Mage Leader but I don't think he's blaming all this on you guys. Given the evidence of Doctor Who, Trek, Star Wars, pro sports and all other pop entertainment it's almost surprising it took THIS long for the P.C. mob to hit Battletech. Eventually it'll get better, though. Hold on to that certainty.
@@davemilner5504 thanks
We know it wasnt you, I saw the comments from some of those bully lunatics, they would of come for us anyway, they just want to destroy it all and drive us out of anything we love.
I'll say this, FASA was pretty well beloved by most of its fans. BattleTech, Shadowrun, and other IPs in that company were beloved by its fans and despite not taking sides in politics. It failed.
Catalyst Games would take very good note of that fact. They are not too big to fail, in fact they have taken a risk taking on the IPs that FASA left behind and would do well to NOT alienate any bit of their customer base. Right now companies are losing billions due to taking sides. CGL cannot lose billions, CGL can't even afford to lose millions.
It would not take very much for the BattleTech Fanbase to utterly bury them. And given that many of us literally waited 20 years for another MechWarrior game. We don't have any problems waiting for a proper company to pick up the IP while they circle the drain.
In BattleTech Lore, the two major political ideologies were destroyed by Admiral McKenna from orbit. This allowed the lore of the setting to go on unfettered by modern day BS. Let's keep it that way.
Razor was right
This is something I worried about when Battletech got larger and here it is. Let’s hope this can be in the rear view and move forward to the great game it has always been
We can't have new perspectives in a hobby. No no no. Eternal stasis is the way to go.
It's 100% 40k rats that found their way into the franchise.
If we can drive them out we can save the franchise.
This is why we have to gate keep harder than ever!
Sorry gay folk upset you.
@@Dragonage2ftw it’s that right there is the problem. But you attack. And label people without even knowing and then that is what is going to ruin the game.
@@Dragonage2ftw
I don't care about People's sexuality, leave it at the door.
I say the same thing to straight people, there is no reason to bring it into the game.
It's about battlemechs, crunchies, tanks, fighters, spaceships, and destroying other player's units.
This is how I look at it: Anyone can get into X, but X isn’t for everyone. Because anything that is for everyone, means it is for no one, because it has no value or inherent presence.
As if it's not bad enough that they do it, once it's ruined and all the old people are driven off, they'll discard it, because they never actually wanted it in the first place...'they/their' goal was simply to take it from You.
This goes for Everything 'they/them' get into.
Now you have laid bare their agenda perfectly. They never cared about Battletech or any other franchise, they just don't want you to have any enjoyment from your pursuits. All must bow down to their false gods, or else.
The sad part is that the IP owners keep falling for this horseshit and bowing down to the vocal militant MINORITY when they could just tell them to piss off and solve the problem before it becomes a problem. Seems to me the IP owners WANT to lose all their customers.
What a pissweak victim mentality. If gay people scare you enough to stop playing Btech you don't deserve to have it because, why would gay people make you stop playing and also you don't love it enough.
I agree.
Those mentally ill rejects of carbon don't care about the franchise at all.
They are like a cancer causing virus that once it infects the game it dies.
Yeah yeah, the they thems are most certainly here to ruin your day because they are such hateful things, right?
Get over it.
@@BoundlessEnnui THE THEY THEMS REMINDED ME THEY EXISTED! THIS IS LIKE HIROSHIMA AND DACHAU COMBINED!!
Current events Reddit didn’t like my comments about how the Russo-Ukrainian war predates the 2022 invasion, and so I’m karmically denied the ability to comment on Battletech.
Wait there are people who don't know that Russia started the conflict in 2014? How?
@@ZontarDow it’s not that they didn’t know, it’s that I shouldn’t have said it. I learned my lesson. I’m a good Winston Smith now.
@@stephenknizek2651 I don't get it, it's something just about everyone knows, the mass protests in Ukraine and Russian invasion of Crimea was just about one of the biggest stories of 2014.
@@ZontarDow or maybe the "activists" and "experts" are so young they cannot remember year 2014...
ain't no way they put "rawr" as actual dialogue lmao
I'm more confused at the "Mixed Liao-Chinese descent " part because I do not think Russel is talking about the Khitan people that I just learned about.
I will admit I tried giving those stories a read.
Some of the worst writing I have ever read.
'rawr'
As expected
I don't know, Small was pretty good (though the LGBT representation was more in the background for the infantry fighting against the Hermes II), though the others I will agree with you to an extent. Dragon Slayer was probably the most cringe, as you have stated.
I liked the story of the lady whose buddy got hit by a small laser and basically became a steam explosion. That was unexpected. I also liked the merc team that kept it together in the group if you know what I mean. If it worked for the Sacred Band I suppose...
@@nerag7459 The story is called Small, it was actually pretty good, very unexpected, very dark.
@@nicolasgodines1129 It was as dark as night. Not enough stories really go into going up against a mech on foot I feel.
We really do need to form a secondary subreddit, with enforced no politics policies.
Welcome to Battletech with no politics. Just happy robots that fight randomly for no reason. No houses, no clans, no idea.
@@nerag7459 Outside, real-world politics. You know exactly what is meant here. Stop playing semantic games.
@@nerag7459 Fantasy politics != real world politics
I can't believe I need to explain something this simple...do I also need to explain that you should not eat Tide pods...?
@@dwavenminer I can't believe I have to explain how this works. Your understanding of politics is filtered through the real world right? So when you say no gays is very interesting that you are fine with nobility hooking up but no gay people. As we know nobles are fictional, but gay people are only found in the real world... wait...
@@nerag7459 Go outside and touch grass...maybe even talk to someone, feel the sun on your face.
It'll do you some good.
Maybe then your'll learn that there is a world beyond [current year] real world politics...you might even enjoy to live your life.
Good day to you.
I'm so sorry the fight has come to you guys, we in the 40k community have been pushing back as hard as we can from political activists but the war it seems is eternal. I truly hoped it wouldn't bleed over into Battletech.
It was probably inevitable. We stand together, battle brother.
Awwww, did acknowledging the real world hurt your feefees? Battletech doesn't need you either, bud. Maybe Bolt Action will be right up your alley...
@@Marquois Awww, did being told to take your trash politics elsewhere hurt your feefees? Widdle activist need his binky?
@@mageleader3699 you know it brother! Escapism needs to be protected and respected. Let politics have it's place far from our big mechs beating on each other or Giant Superhumans punching massive Green Fungus men!
@@Marquois Why should they have to endure the real world in their escapism? Why is it such a hard concept for you to grasp that people don't want to drown in what you consider important every second of the day?
Pretty sure when you have to worry about rando lunatics nuking your word no one has time to worry about pronouns.
The BT timeline diverged from ours around the 80s, so most of our current events and issues never happened.
And then the clans were a thing and they don't have hangups about gay/bi/trans etc
@@nerag7459 Exactly. So they wouldn't think twice about two males or two females having sex, it's just what they want to do. The fact that so many people concern themselves with who other people sleep with is a real problem that we have, and I think videos like this actually just reinforce that point. This is a non-issue. If it doesn't bother you, then it shouldn't matter if it exists or not.
I think people concern themselves too much with who they sleep with, to the point they reconstruct their identity around who they sleep with and make it loudly known who they sleep with.
But then when someone doesn't want to think about that stuff (and nor should they have to think about other people's sex habits) and the guy who wears his sexuality on his sleeve hears this, it sounds like oppression to him.
Because, when someone doesn't want to see, hear, or think about sex, and this one guy's while identity is all about it, then the guy who identifies with sex will feel discriminated against, even though he is the one crossing lines of comfort and reason by so outwardly expressing his sexuality.
Do you think I could get away with walking around with a terrible angry scowl on my face and not have anyone react accordingly? Or maybe you think the answer to this is to change how every last person on earth perceives and thinks about terrible angry scowls.
Nah, time to rejoin reality and abandon your pleasure fantasy.
@@PRC533 Except I'm into the books and the RPG so ideas of family and what is actually sexual is important. Example: the clans don't see nudity as inherently sexual but the inner sphere does. So stop shoving your decedent degenerate inner sphere ideas about sexuality in my face with your Saucy Sixth pinup girls and your Steiner/Davion marriages!
@@astrovarius543 Agreed. the idea of defining your identity around a marriage between a man and women of two rival houses is ridiculous and everyone who fights an imaginary war over the arrangements of a man and a woman sleeping together should be laughed out of the hobby. Nah, time to rejoin reality and abandon your pleasure fantasy.
This all happened on like... two or three busy days where I decided to not be on reddit in order to not be distracted, so when I came back it was a huge surprise.
Same here, that's the problem with these people. Most of them don't have actual lives and are on the internet 24/7 doing their best to ruin everything, while the rest of us go to work or take care of our families.
Astroturf activism.
Small groups of organised activists, all politically aligned, agree on what they will flood. Then they will rile up and split the community. Those who disagree are fake bigot fans, those who agree are true, real, superfans who support the mutilation of the hobby to fit current-year politics.
Then the activists leave and the hobby fanbase destroys itself.
8:51 the painter is going to hate my crusader force. Because I took inspiration from history, and the new avalon catholic church is a in universe faction.
That's exactly my reaction as well.
"You want degenerates on the table? Well they're not going to crucify themselves and the NACC is a very real thing in Battletech. Deus Vult you bunch of heathens, Deus Vult."
The problem with these people is they dont think theyre political. They think this is a neutral thing.
Im not saying it should be or whether someone is right or wrong. But, people pushing this dont acknowledge that it is a political issue and just default to saying its hateful. Its so tiring.
Trying to have rights when you've been oppressed for decades if not centuries is always going to seem 'political' to the ones in power.
@@davidbutler1857 they just had a whole month dedicated to them, an event at the white house, corporate logos redone to resemble their movement, social media companies enforcing their protection, and some countries will issue legal penalties for criticising them.
They have plenty of power right now. I don't get a "Japanese Pride" month because that makes the rest of Asia very nervous (and with good reason might I add)
@@RecklessInternetting OMG one month out of 11 and the Supreme Court topped it off with a legal right to discriminate against them based on a made up case. A MADE UP CASE
The real question is when are you getting back to the side plot involving beer in the leopards cooling system and baiting pirates to get to Canopus?
That was not kek either. It was cringe.
@@mageleader3699 I found it pretty funny. Good to have some kinda plotline.
@@mageleader3699 hey it's the most on setting idea I've heard related to this
@@mageleader3699 Boo, Wendy. Boo.
Stupid question but was I the only one who had a friend that paintes an Urbie to look like a beer keg on legs?
The stuff youd call "woke" came for MTG first, theyve been trying to ruin 40k for years 😒
Sexual Orientation only becomes even slightly relevant if you're writing a character story in the Universe, not when you're playing the tabletop, obivously. Going out of your way to shine light on it is insincere.
Unless it's about, say, a House Noble that gets exiled for being unwilling to commit to political marriage due to their preference, for example. That's a neat little way to be inclusive while also keeping the universe intact. Plus it's gonna pivot to 'Mech Combat anyway.
No one's going out of their way to shine a light on something on the tabletop, unless you have a phobia against rainbow colored mechs. The issue is over fanfiction that no one is being forced to read.
@@Condottiero_Magno
It's more than cringe colored Mechs and fan fiction.
It's the fact it's being brought into a franchise it doesn't belong in.
It is bringing irl crap into the game.
It starts with "fan fiction/rainbow" colored Mechs and then starts being pushed on people.
We seen this countless times from Star Trek to Star wars, mtg, d&d, and Wh40k.
You can't possibly be that blind.
Leave sexual preferences, religion, and politics at the door it's as simple as that.
Besides 99% of the wokies don't actually play the game, buys the stuff, nor cares about the lore and game itself.
The franchise owners seem to forget that the ones they are pandering to don't buy their products and if they aren't careful they will suffer from the bud light affect.
Being a small franchise they don't have the resources to recover from such a devastating boycott.
They need to choose, virtual signal to those that don't matter(because they are only there for irl politics and woke nonsense not the game/lore) or stay out of this woke nonsense.
One will lead to the bud light effect and kill the franchise or the other which will keep it alive.
@@valor1omega The Battletech lore is full of religion and politics inspired by real life and don't forget incest - Capellans. I'm not blind and not some bigoted tourist like you. People spazzing out over some fan fiction shows their juvenile nature.
Is there anything else the straights haven't ruined? Fashion... Gender Reveal parties... Houses Davion and Steiner.....
Of course, why is it not surprising that Rusty Zimmermann is involved in this. He screwed around with SR stuff and heavily pushed RL ideology and politics into it, while suppressing opposing views as a mod in the Union. He is good author, but man.. politics and real world stuff do not belong at the gaming table.
Do not worry. If their politics flood the lore you will start to see how much their politics suck. They can even ruin horror movies.
In all fairness, the Taurians would totally be flying a Gadsden flag lol
Gatekeep or lose your hobbies
It’s the cycle that happens when people don’t gatekeep:
Create/find Niche hobby>enjoy it>outsiders come along and force their beliefs into the hobby>”you need to change your hobby to appeal to us more!”>you become a minority in your own hobby>they change the hobby>”if you hate the changes so much why don’t you find another hobby?”>you are either forced to leave the hobby because it becomes unplayable>find another hobby>repeat.
Honestly I’ve seen it happen many times to many franchises.
Gatekeep it for fucks sake, I love Battletech but please gatekeep the game from normies I beg of you all, the hobby won’t grow from having normies in it it will just be subverted and destroyed.
true.
Dude, get out of the genre if you want to lay that much claim. Do you need to get busted up like a clanner on tukayiid to make that happen?
@@BoundlessEnnui I just like my hobbies more than the Lyrans like their heavy mechs, so sorry if you can´t comprehend the hatred someone feels when they see something they genuinely love be attacked or corrupted and destroyed.
Battletech has always been inclusive, despite a few negative tropes, but that inclusivity has always been set in the universe itself. People of all colors creeds and cultures have been peesent which is neat in an 80s IP. The universe allows for tons of diversity and inclusion and the best part is that many of the current social issues we are dealing with have been solved in BT.
Well it's feudal world of galactic combat, there's going to be bigger issues involving logistics, training men at arms, recovering or working technologies, resource extraction and meatgrinders of war. There'd be more important things to speak of in a universe like that. than complaining to a Jade Falcon Loremaster about why the jump ship they're on has no dilation stations installed.
There's a difference between having it present naturally within a story as opposed to cramming it in unnaturally down people's throats
@@Plxlinixy People who think that gender identity or "inclusivity" will matter _at all_ to populations facing the ravages of nuclear war, orbital bombardment, loss of technology, famine, ecological collapse, and massive killing machines stomping through their town are delusional. It is so contrived, and it ruins the setting for me. I feel like we're about to learn this lesson the hard way since some sort of massive international conflict in the real world seems more inevitable every day. I'd bet my entire salary that if and when that happens, all this wokeness will very suddenly disappear. Hate to say it, but we've had it too good the past two generations and this is a direct consequence of not having any real, existential crises to deal with
No they haven't they never happend.
@@sheilaolfieway1885 those are words
Battletech is for Battletech fans and tourists can f*ck off back to 40K. Goddamn Mage, this whole video has coalesced so many of my thoughts from the last few days into one epic video. Your sentiments are shared by me and every fan I know. Thank you for putting out such a perfect summation of Battletech's situation.
Even 40k didn't go THIS low.
By you and 1 other person?
Nah the fascists can go back to 40k. Battletech is going to remain inclusive for all fans of all walks of life. Not just cis white men with power fantasies and micro penises.
Dude, fucking stuff yourself into a trash compactor.
You aren't the arbiter of "tourists"
I've just started this journey in to battletech with my 7 year old son. I was hesitant, due to some of the gamestore patrons [with leather chokers and leashes, etc], so we've decided to just game at home for now. I couldn't help but lament to my friends this exact sentiment. I just want to escape from reality for an hour and help my son experience some joys I had as a child, not explain why someone is wearing something inappropriate, talking politics, religion, or about hentai in explicit detail.
Thanks for making this. You've got my sub!
Any gaming store that allows customers wearing fetish gear should be avoided imo. A persons sexual preferences in the bedroom do not belong in public, its not a culture, its not an identity... these people are forcing their kinks and fetishes on everyone else around them and demand you applaud them for being "stunning and brave"
@@riptors9777 😆
@@riptors9777
During the gay pride parade half or almost completely named men were twerking in from of children.
While chanting "we are coming for your children"
That is one of the many reasons many have an issue with those politics (any irl politics need to go)and lifestyles being brought into the franchise.
@@valor1omega Oh i have seen the video of that fat bald guy twerking infront of children wearing nothing but tighty whities... its absolute disgusting and gives LGBTQ people everywhere a bad name. Even though the vast majority of these people just want to live normal lives and have nothing to do with degenerated shit like that
I only play games privately anymore. Meet with friends at a local pizza place on Friday for mtg. Play clickytech or 40k in the garage with my cousin and some of his friends at times. Think I've played two mtg tournaments and one demo game of clickytech at a flg in 15 years. Cousin bought a BattleTech starter kit, so I've started collecting mechs. Haven't had a flg in my area I enjoyed hanging out at in 20 years, and it was actually an rc shop.
Miss you Alternate Universe in Pueblo Co. Hope you guys are still going strong. Best game store I've interacted with. Too bad you guys are 30 hiur drive away
Battletech isn't for everyone, it's for battletech fans. We must gatekeep those who think it should be subservient to a political ideology and actively discouraged their participation.
Amen to that.
Based. And this video has been the first I've watched of your content. You have my sub amigo.
Same here.
Ideologies are certainly within the Battletech universe (fascism, socialism, constitutional monarchy, libertanism, feudalism, pacifism, anarchy, etc.) but they merely play a backseat to the larger lore. Strictly speaking, the idelogical bent of each faction is there merely to keep player interactions consistent (after all, I would immediately think that any Capellan who talked of overthrowing the Liao dynasty was a Katroshivka agent).
The idea that 1000 years from now that we would be arguing about gender identies (much less painting our mechs in Pride symbology) would be as out of place as seeing an Atlas painted with a swastika. If players cant keep the real world out of this game then maybe they should play something else or make their own games/scenarios.
Yeah, 1000 years from now they been got over it. The civvies MAYBE bring it up yet it doesn't matter when a Steiner Scout Lance is clashing with Clanners in the middle of the city. When you have to worry about not getting killed a lot of romance and gender aspects seems privileged. Oh cool these people that commit war crimes are lovers, yay?
I could rather see an atlas with a swastica, even, especially, in its original context, rather than people giving a shit about what kind of clothes you wear or what kind of person you want to fuck. You are literate enough to differentiate the ejection button from the neuro helmet power button? Welcome to the lance. What you don't drink alcohol? Jimmy over there has some ginger ale stached away. Just harass him. We toast in 5 minutes so you better be here with a drink.
It is the same archetype of person who wants to (or does) paint their minis based on a specific modern army at a certain time (like one I know who specifically wanted US Army circa 2003), and yeah, you're right
It should never be for everyone, that much is very clear. If it ends up for everyone, it ends up for no one.
Heyyy, it's cool and fashionable to voluntarily end your line out of misguided guilt/shame! Everyone's doing it!
Anyone talking about "safe space" probably have not heard about the small cockpits in Word Of Blake Battlemechs.
Wobbies... They are the reason I don't play past 3052.
I, personally, did not think anything of the zine, beyond "Hey, everyone! Look! Free Battletech literature!" without even knowing the controversy behind it. I'm not part of the Reddit, so I had no clue what happened. Then I read it. It's beyond bad fan fiction, imo; and I've read _a lot_ of bad fan fiction, as an amateur freelance editor and e-book converter.
I now know what my bros and I will talk about on discord this weekend
Can we go back to when corporations admitted they were apolitical/amoral entities that wanted your money and were expected to make a product worthy of that money? Welcome to the world ESG scores created....
There will be a market correction. When that happens it will be hilarious.
Gatekeep as hard as you can. From a once warhammer enthusiast.
Gatekeep or be Gatekept.
Look at what happened to 40k......
I agree. Battletech is realistic enough, it doesn't need help. Plus its based on FEUDAL political systems. Not ones in extent today. Battletech is about stepping on things, blowing things up and making your enemies cry...by stepping on them and blowing them up. This is a ROLE playing game. You're not playing yourself or anyone alive today. You're playing someone born into a dark age. Someone constantly living in a Machiavellian paradise. Play someone who actually fits in.
Its also about clans who are sexually non standard. They are raised in sibkos and have separated sex from reproduction owing to necessity of their massive space journey (stellar radiation means you don't naturally conceive unless you want kids who are genetic disasters). Sex is not linked to reproduction so they see no issues with homosexuality or what we would call polygamy/amory. They also don't see nudity as sexual. They are the opposite of the nuclear family and their social bonds are very different from the sphere.
@@nerag7459 Someone hasn‘t heard of Freeborn then lmao.
@@AnonD38 Indeed *stares in clan*
@@nerag7459 But unlike CURRENT YEAR, the Clanners don't make a big deal out of their sexual preferences nor do they base an identity around it.
@@MoreEvilThanYahweh Well inners fight over who has sex with who. As a clanner I don't understand why they care. But thats the Steiner/Davion civil war for you.
This is some real Capellan fuckery right here. Also, amen brother.
Capellans, Canopus, Clanners... ComStar. I swear, all the 'C' factions are the WORST.
Oh, I forgot about WOB.
@@Deridus WOB: Also known as cunts. Also a "C" faction.
I saw a reddit post once where some said they were trans and were getting into BattleTech. They were wondering which faction they should play as based on how well it represents their trans identity. Their choices were Canopus and Jade Falcon. Canopus's strict matriarchy would view transsexualities as the sexual equivalent of black face. Jade Falcon, being a fascist warrior society the shuns individuality, would view trans sexuality as self glorification and thus un-clanlike.
Based and correct. You don't gate keep, you get cringe. These people don't care about the hobby, they just wanna inject thier politics in everyone's hobbies and media because most people just sort buy it.
Guys and trans and whatnot have always been here in our hobbies. They just weren't needy narcissistic assholes, they were geeks just like us.
Old video to state this, but the Gadsden flag is honestly one of the most appropriate symbols for Battletech purely because it works as a rallying banner for fiercely independent colonies that want the clans/great houses/what-have-you to fuck off… Also it’s funny.
My Taurians rock a Gadsden flag, but my area is deep red so at worst I get told I suck at free hand painting. 😂
Hell, the Turrian Concordat takes it to heart and makes it its national motto.
It's called "gatekeeping". Your local groups should have been doing it from the start. My group has been doing it for 35 years and we'll be doing it until we're all dead and ground into dust. It's kept our love of the various games we play alive.
By the way, you assume that it's all of the 40K players that are a problem and not the ones who's ideologies come first. There's a difference in players, just like in all games. Again, this is what gatekeeping is for.
Gatekeep people, defend what's yours before it isn't yours anymore.
We gonna need a "come and take it" (Urbanmech) flag soon?
Man i ducked out of 40k and now battletech? It’s like i have nowhere to go anymore.
Why?
THERE IS NO "Just go to 40k" ANYMORE.
IT'S OVER.
The answer is go offline. Your table is your trench. Gatekeep your table.
I knew when the Navigator told us that we'd passed beyond tainted space, and we all agreed to scuttle the Warp Drive, burn the maps, and fold the banners, that Chaos would find a way to follow. I fear we've brought them here.
" I fear we've brought them here."
It is that very fear that has allowed their manifestation in our realm.
It is that fear upon which they feed.
And? without that fear, they starve and wither away.
Stand tall and strong brother, as HE is with us and we will prevail.
"This machine stomps fascists." Created by someone who's politics are in lock-step with the edgiest takes of Mussolini and Gentile.
I'd normally agree that no politics is a good rule in fandoms, however its different now. That phase of the battle for the fandom is over. Once the IP holder steps in, it becomes a whole new game. If Catalyst themselves want to go full politics and only allow/promote one side of it than the gloves are off. Being humble and taking the moral high ground is just going to passively let the fandom further sink into their grip. I say return the favor and don't stay silent, the alternative is Star Wars or Warhammer 40,000.
Star Wars is shit now,40k is the way to go.
I agree. The time for silent abstinence from the debate is over, it is time to gatekeep to protect our fandoms against corrupted forces that intrude not for the hobby but to destroy everything that is beloved.
@@BasedWukong I wasn't recommending alternative franchises, I was saying the alternative result of being quiet leads to starwars or 40k. It's totally fine if people want to remain apolitical while playing at a table. However you NEED to speak up against the culture flip going on within the fandom on the internet.
This video is saying don't stoop to their level and remain apolitical. However refusing to play the culture game just lets them take it for free. Corporate who owns the game and bystanders have no clue how vastly unpopular the agenda push is if no one speaks up. The people pushing the agenda are fragile, being overwhelmingly dedicated to fighting back will break them quite easily. They're emboldened only because the IP holder is allowing them to have a foothold. Convince the IP holder these decisions only lose money and they'll stop.
GW is gone the way of woke
@@Muu-Mei
Obviously standing up against the LGBT will label you a homophobe regardless of your real stance, but I agree. Regardless of where you are on the political spectrum people need to speak out against this, otherwise this franchise will end up like the rest.
Market corrections happen when crisis hits. USSR survivors in the US say they are seeing the same signs. In USSR things changed overnight one day things were fine. The next traffic jams, militias, empty shelves.
Gatekeep and gatekeep HARDER!
Amen. While I am more on the right I can agree with you that no matter the politics stfu and play the game.
You’ve got a subscriber here!
This is the best Battletech video I’ve seen in quite a while. Thank you for making this. I would never open a book and see what Hanse Davion’s opinion on the current debt ceiling is etc…
But you did open a book and see him marry a woman. I mean keep your real world heterosexuality out of my game!
I am a 40k refugee, a friend mentioned this series to me and I was able to recall playing mechassualt when younger on the old Xbox. I can simply say that I have grown to enjoy this far more than I thought I would have, currently reading as much as I can with the Clan Invasion era.
TL;DR - I’m here to stay because i can confidently state that i enjoy this setting, and I am here for nothing more than to enjoy Battletech.
To be fair many of them arent as much 40k tourists but popular brand/franchise tourists and follows wath is popular then p***, s*** and moan till its ruined for evryone aftetwards go to next brand/franchise.
Rinse and repeat to infinity.
They are locusts...and I don't mean the kind Lori Kalmar piloted.
GATEKEEP the tourist or you'll be kept out of your Hobbie.
Here's the problem; CGL is the Gatekeeper. How can we solve it?
@@libertylionofjudah do a Bud light, vote with your your wallet, bleed them dry
I’m with you. Battle tech is to relax and have fun with people.
The real Battletech happens on your table. Anything else is what I call "Internet high school".
Considering their rate of self-deletion, can we really expect a certain segment of the population to still be around in the 31st Century?
Because I don't think we can.
At best its an aberration, a mutation or chronic chemical imbalance. At worst, its a form of indoctrination. And these might not be mutually exclusive choices.
Funny, but the answer is yes. They don't replicate through their *own* offspring.
It's like a virus, half die and the other half infect healthy individuals.
@@SymmetricalDocking Hence why they are grooming kids.
@@SymmetricalDocking But if there's nobody left to do their recruiting, then they can't make more of themselves.
Pretty sure one of the 3 "overfactions" is the Gadsden flag personified: The Periphery. And honestly, the more I learn about the Taurian Concordant, the more they seems to epitomize "Don't Tread On Me".
Don't worry they'll get around to making them more polily correct.
@@aazz9676Taurians are very inclusive. As "Don't tread on me" people SHOULD be. The government shouldn't be stepping in and trying to arrest people for how they identify. It should be ignoring everyone and only dealing with government issues.
If you want to play Battletech, or any other rpg, and you want to make all the characters LGTQ....(on and on) do it, there is nothing in these games stopping you but you're own creativity
Here is the nice thing about Battletech: You don't need Catalyst. You don't need FASA. You don't need Harmony Gold (or whatever part of Battletech they think they own). You don't need any of the companies who've made minis over the years.
Whatever your friends allow as minis is fine. Unpainted: fine. Cardboard cutouts: fine. Axis and Allies pieces for tanks: fine, they're gonna get stomped anyway.
Want to not allow infantry: fine. Core rules only: fine. Only mechs with high availability: fine. No energy weapons because of some science-babble about the atmosphere: fine. Spend an hour rolling for the spread of fire and smoke every turn: fine.
Battletech belongs to the players. Most of us play in the period that hasn't changed since the 1990s, and PDFs of the old books are everywhere. If you can agree with one other person about what belongs in the game, then you have all the "community" you needs to make it work.
Company policies simply don't matter.
I have mixed feelings on what to allow on the tabletop. I'd have no problem with ONE mech on the board painted in pride colors. Quirky mechwarriors with weird obsessions for obscure ancient culture are cannon in the Battletech universe. I also have an Atlas painted like Charlie Brown. I have an Atlas in a black/white tiger-stripe pattern with tiny pewter cat ears. One of my friends has a Hatchetman painted glossy black with a tail added to the back to make it look like a xenomorph. I have another friend with a pink, "Hello Kitty" Orion with the kitty painted on with a pin.
Any one weird mech is just a quirky mechwarrior; probably more appropriate for Solaris than a battlefield, but quirk is okay.
A whole company can break immersion, even if the whole company has legit camouflage with their mecha-cat-ears.
Also, anything "quirky" on the table is a bit of a joke, and you wouldn't want to something you take actual pride in. When someone brings real-world issues into Battletech, it shows the don't take those issues seriously
Company policies don't matter... as long as you don't care about playing with strangers or the hobby continuing to exist.
Your friend group and who you introduce to the game will be mostly safe, but the corporation sets the tone for how the vast majority of new players will meet the game.
Battletech is for everyone, but
Warhammer refugees: *flashback*
So my King Crab can't identify as a light mech and move 10 hexes?
Agreed, Battletech should be battletech and nothing else!
Agreed. The only political discourse that should matter is between the great houses, the clans, ComStar and the periphery. That’s it. The only thing I say to people if they ask me what my real life politics are is “Taurian Concordat” and that’s all.
Hopefully this will spread out further because I truly miss just playing Battletech. Especially when it comes down to discussion on the fan pages. Pretty sad that I had to retreat to Battletech 3028 just to be able to chat without seeing these goddamn tourists and hipster fucks. I like this setting because I like the setting. Not because it’s a ground for pushing politics. Good video and good message to get out there. Long live house Calderon.
"We are here to play a game with giant stompy robots, and that's it."
Mage Leader 2022
SteinerDavion marriage anyone?
Thank you. I've had this same issue with D&D over the last few years. 5e started off ok, if simplified to get new players in. And then SJW horse crap got in, to the point I'm looking to build my own system based off the skeleton of 3.5 and specifically not including modern day BS.
Have you looked into the OSR movement? OSE specifically eschews any political baggage, and B/X is a light-weight precursor to DnD 3.5. Alternatively, there's WWN if you really want a build-in skill system.
Personally, went to GURPS. It is just as old as 3.5, but vastly different system. It's a bit intimidating for new people. Yet, once you get it broken down into smaller parts. It is a very fun, highly customizable system that rewards you on being creative and Role Playing. Than, kick a door down and kill everything. Even if you can totally have a combat game like that. Though, do not be surprise if a goblin one shots your character and you die. And you had a godlike character. It has happened. Seen it happen. Had it happen. It can be comical.
It's also optional, and not targeted to me. Which is why I don't really care, there's still stompy robot content for me so what's the big deal?
Doesn't hurt my content and might make more battletech fans, which is a net positive, even if it's only a few who struggle with identity problems.
Carves them out a tiny corner of the universe that's just for them and I find nothing particularly wrong with that.
If they only ever stayed in the corner it wouldn't be a problem. They don't. They screech incessantly from the rooftops and if you ask them to keep it down then they label you as a bigot.
@GamerKat'71 You said it, not me. All I want is the same courtesy I offer to be extended back to me. I don't crow about my sexual preferences at my gaming table. I don't paint my 'mechs with my favorite political symbology. Normal, well-adjusted people leave that kind of thing at the door. If that's too difficult for you, then find a different table.
@@mageleader3699 Actually you said it. These people don't "crow about sexual preferences" at the table and even less than the good ole "straight boys". This is all about you whinging about bad fiction and rainbow mechs and pretending to be neutral, while liking the bigots commenting here.
@@Condottiero_Magno The "good ole straight boys" you refer to don't spend an entire month posting pictures of 'mechs painted to display their sexuality and then put them on the table. You are demonstrably incorrect on this one. As I said in the video, if I see straight pride or super straight shit on the table I'm going to be equally annoyed. The difference is that I have yet to see that, while I've seen dozens of examples of pride month bullshit.
@@mageleader3699 The "good ole boys" spend the whole year displaying their insecurities, just like what you are doing ATM. You are doing nothing about those posts promoting homophobic crap and going so far as to liking some of the them, so spare me your nonsense about trying to be a neutral party.
Straight pride and super straight stuff?!? Nobody normal does that crap, unless they're insecure shits, just like the tourists that like this video. How does one act super straight? Anyone acting super straight is either insecure or gay in denial. Of course you're not going to see any, just as you're not going to see LGBTQ sexuality at the table. If I were to plonk a technicolored mech on the table, piloted by a Joseph, you wouldn't think anything of it if it were 11 other months of the year? How about a blue and white mech with a little trident? I'm sick and tired of seeing all that Ukraine virtue signaling, but it's just a combination of colors and an object. How about a pink mech? It could be desert camouflage or breast cancer awareness. There are communities of Native Americans in the Inner Sphere and if a mech has whirling logs painted on it, I'm not going to care.
Normal people don't care about bad fan fiction or people painting their figures however they like and they don't like posts from prats who claim stuff being shoved down their throats, like some annual plastic paddy parade. What's with the oral sex reference? The way your supporters are going on about queer people and fetish gear, one would think they've been influenced by the Rocky Horror Picture Show!
Do you spazz out ever March over Women's History Month? How about Asian-Pacific American Black, Hispanic or Native American months? This is like that long-winded video about the Rommel tank and that one about Pardoe's bitching.
My faction of choice is Bannson's Raiders from when I played Dark Age. I don't look forward to when I finally play someone who realizes Jacob Bannson is the IS equivalent of Trump and tries to take me to task about playing the faction and assuming my politics because of this.
Almost no one plays Dark Age, I think you're safe.
@@z3r0_35 It's my camo scheme I've been painting the new minis in too, so... 😬
I usually play pre-clan era. Easier to get a ballanced game. Tonnage is usually close enough to BV that a few hundred up to 1k isn't that much a problem, that is, it's still fun. Anything post 3052 and things get irritating. Every 'mech needs a complete rebuild and BV adjustment. Not worth it to me.
The only politics I like is the politics of Stompy Robots.
Let us be real. If you can look at each of the Factions. Clanners would likely kill anyone who is all for "Pride" month. ComStar would pump as much crap as they could. All to milk it for all the C-Bills as they can. And the houses. They will vary on their stances. Either would not care and tell their people to get back to work. Or end up setting out death sentences for not doing their civic duty to the State and producing children to be the next MechWarrior or soldier. After all. If you are worried about pronouns and feeling like you are not in the right body. You are a waste of resources and a waste of flesh. Either shoved into some death chamber or thrown onto some drop ship and shipped off as a conscript. To be a meatshield for the real men and women.
Okay then. Time to start a war. What do you think about... Capellans?
Just saw the guys running roguetech put a link in their announcements to that fanfic and telling anyone that disagrees to leave. Shame, their mod used to be good and innovative until the mindrot took over and it became their vanity project.
Glad to see they're in the minority of Battletech groups.
This is the problem if you try to ignore them or don't gate keep them out of the hobby as much as possible. They subvert and infest your hobby with their politics, using people's empathy and fear of being ostracized to silence any dissenters.
[Edit] Oh, you think you can stop it? It's already too late. The taint has spread. It's terminal.
TLDR: now we know who is who, I think CGL will quietly separate from this in the next year or two.
Listen, I think is good news for us. The ‘pride’ movement is *finally* suffering the backlash of pushing things to far. We’ve been talking about gatekeeping political activists from the hobby. Now, they’ve put themselves out there of there of there own free will. CGL thought this would make money, and why wouldn’t they when major Corporations do it. About the subreddit, the people who made a fuss, none of them belonged to the page 48 hours before the whole thing went down. Make of that what you will.
The irony of them calling themselves the 'pride' movement when their undoing is the sin itself. I don't really care what way people swing but stop shoving it in peoples faces and most importantly keep that shit out of my stompy robot franchise.
Tourists. The whole bag of them.
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