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- čas přidán 23. 02. 2023
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HEY. Ecstatic to announce I'm the new brand ambassador for AceZone! You may recognize the headsets with the little green lights on stage at every big CS:GO event, that's AceZone! Thinking this a perfect fit for the channel so make sure to support them and watch the video to understand why the A-Spire's are a great fit for at-home-use.
Lots of content queued up because of this new partnership so I'm really happy to be able to invest more into the channel and AceZone only want me to do exactly what I'm doing already so the only thing that will change is more videos!
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Super hyped to announce I'm the new CS:GO ambassador for AceZone! They're supporting exactly the kind of content we want to make headphones that are built incredibly well for CS:GO. If you want to support make sure to check them out, watch the video and comment on the tweet!
As a person who was at Stockholm major and knowing how loud it was that ANC is mighty impressive.
To those who say pros use in-ears: This is true, but a bunch of factors play in here such as tournament rules, player preferences and other things. In other game titles, such as Apex Legends, our headsets are used on stage as well with no in-ears.
Det burde også være standard med ANC, så vi ikke får situationer, hvor publikum afslører hvor modstanderen er.
næste projekt må være, at lave earbuds, der kan bruges imens man løber/cykler, på samme niveau.
God vind fremover
If you guys ever want to try some actual good headphones for gaming, seriously, let me know. I can point you towards every single high end headphone that is ACTUALLY good for gaming (HD800s doesn't even come close to top 10 imo). Would be worthwhile to reverse engineer some of the best and fine tune them for gaming. Tuning and isolation only get you so far, technicalities matter, and planars absolutely stomp dynamics for gaming (with Audeze being the exception, they don't actually have any good gaming headphone, regardless of price).
@@pokrog I'm listening
@@TapDancingOnYoFace name a price and I'll throw out options, but most of my recs are going to have a bare minimum amp requirement
i would like 5 pairs. one for myself and 4 for my MM teammates. tthank u
XD
You realize that would cost you about 4000$ right? Lol this shit is retarded.
But don't all pros use in-ear headphones with these as a noise cancelling set but not outputting audio
They used those because the noise cancelling wasn’t enough with the over ears and the earbuds made a big difference. Nowadays the technology is much better and over ears can cancel out like 99.9% of the audience noise at majors.
@@wurmie yes but in ear + noise cancelling is the top method, they don't use them for sound ever though, ask any pro they are not going to switch
@@1bird_d they're not switching because the current tech is not good enough. Give it time and we'll start seeing pros use over ear soon
@@1bird_d That's definitely not true. Many pros have complained about in ears. If pros want to wear in ears though I believe they're still allowed to.
yeah in ears have built in noise cancelling, the tight fit is enough to drown out outside noise when there are footsteps
Perfect ambassador for AceZone. Lets go!
great video, the lan environment itself is a very interesting factor in cs. would have loved to see the T’s position when you first hear them for a cool visual comparison between the headphones.
Here's a video that shows just that comparison for LAN environments: czcams.com/video/t-4EoNxXVRk/video.html. It's a polished version made to look good, but we're going to upload more detailed videos so you can learn more about our measurements.
Still not a single Katowice demo? Bro its been since the top 20
Is he not doing them anymore?
@@projectcufflink1926 Not for a minute
I'd love a lucky or godlike on shiro vs g2
im really excited about these i spend soo m uch on headsets but i still have a hard time finding the "perfect pair" thank you again
there a quality difference too between the first 2 headsets or something? can hear the early footsteps as more of a small scratch for the first one but the second one is thumping away instead
6:29 only selling point for me is, not to damage your hearing.
On any ANC- or even just closed headphones I start screaming like an idiot because I do not realize how loud I am. Did AceZone do something to adjust for this or is it just very impressive ANC? And if so does this apply for both the consumer grade and the A-Rise?
The old footsteps in CS, back in 2015, was so much more easier to hear in general.
the job like the audio engineer in this video is probably my dreamjob!
great headphones if it werent for the price
Soooooooo......it's a headset tuned for +dB's at lower frequencies. What is the difference between this and say a Senn 560 S or PC38X (+ optional DAC) + Sonar Equalizer?
hi
what in-ear headphones are csgo pro players using?
i saw dif colors at major Paris
Why do pro players also have ear buds in underneath the headset? I can't seem to figure out why they would need them given the performance on these professional grade headphones
the TOs pick the headsets so although these are used at most events its not every event. i know the players like to be consistent with what they use but hopefully in time they switch because, well these have much better range than in-ears.
Would like to hear more in depth info on the technical side of these types of headphones and what is it that makes them reproduce certain sounds better if its not just eq
we recorded a short lecture on this exact topic to upload next, its super interesting :)
it is simply just an eq for $800
@@__Nicholas__ spot on. everything that makes a headphone be able to hear things better than others comes down to frequency response. the same reason why audiophile headphones are better than gaming headsets for CS. installing an EQ like peace APO and figuring out or finding something online to tune the FRs to would give u the same result.
@@chrisevans6293 i think materials of the headphones and the quality of electronic components can make a difference though, noise cancellation is a seperate topic also
@@mislav2002 It certainly make a difference when you buy out of the box. This is why people buy certain audiophile headphones over others. Some enjoy more pronounced bass, some want them for gaming and get things with good imaging and soundstage. The latter is kind of ambiguous though.. how do we define and test things like soundstage? Ultimately all these things come down to frequencies since thats how our ear/brain interpret sound. Changing the FRs in an EQ software literally makes headphones sound 1 to 1 the same if you have the same target. Components dont override FRs when you EQ them to be the same. So you might be wondering why people even bother buying different headphones etc. Bascially it just comes down to the actual physical headphone ie is it comfortable, do you like how it looks, is there ANC, open back or closed. The sound aspect of it in a normal environment can always be attributed to FRs which can always be changed with EQ to sound the same or different. If you want really detailed explanations of all this look up oritory1990 or harman target and dive deeper.
amazing video! It's basically a broken game, as you put it, for us day 2-day average joe pro wannabees XD (having great Noice cancelation headset is legit sound haxx). Thanks Launders and Acezone.
its useless unless you are in a noisy environment for some reason. these are for lan only and btw they still use in ears for the actual audio.
YOU know you should send a set of headsets to Linus Techtips LTT !!!!
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Yeah I want to see them rip on it for being 800$ while they give some realistic alternatives.
@@randoedits6906they can try lol
@@randoedits6906as a person that spends far far too much on headsets 800 for high end headsets is pretty inexpensive
@@garyhandt3858 Do those headsets use doll hair for the wiring and a cheap cord that will fail in a year? Or were they hardcore audiophile headsets with a standard of quality meant to last a lifetime that improve the clarity of all sounds and not just footstep audio lol? Just looking at that cord and plastic, I feel I can make some safe assumptions.
Are the lights on the side of the headphones showing the level of ANC activated?
ok this video is hella cool. Good luck as the ambassador
How does this stack up to the senheiser hd800s?
I use Logitech G633 which are rather old now. When I say I can hear footsteps or other random sounds from a good distance away I mean it. They were easily the best investment I ever made more than 5 years ago. The only time I have troubles is directionally but even then it's not very problematic. If I can get more sound and higher accuracy than holy smokes that would be insane.
Meanwhile I still hear the footsteps at 6 with my airpods
this headset might be the sole reason behind Cloud9 comebacking and then sweeping through the group stage at IEM Rio
Imagine the call outs, “multiple pushing cat 3 seconds”
(gotta account for how long it took to call it)
What's those green lights on the headphones
awsome video! I always wondered about this too.
When are we gonna get some WZ audio selections in the app?
Time to take out some savings $$$ hahahaha sick headsets. Great vid as always 💯
professional is spelled wrong on the site for the A-LIVE headset
So if my mom is yelling at me I won’t be able to hear her? …… Awwwwesommme!!!🔥
But do they pros still have to use airplugs as a rule? So on lan they would only work as cancelling noise?
yes. I think the idea is to replace the in ears and just use the one headset with anc but the tech isnt there yet
Should have mentioned this is sponsored at the beginning though
Congrats, Launders!!! 🎉🎉🎉
thanks!
If my Audeze Maxwell break I might give these a try, but I love my Maxwells!
But are the pro's not using in-ears under these when they're at the LAN?
Great title, great sponsor, great product, great video.
Tbh y'all gotta try some open back planars with a good dac/amp. There won't be any noise cancellation and they leak sound like crazy, but the positional audio and clarity is next level.
I need these when i'm sleeping so no one sneeks up on me!
Super dope video!
Are pros on Lan events allowed to bring their on DACs? I find it hard to believe that this headphone is better than a 600$ DAC and 1500$ custom IEMs... But I would be happy to change my mind. Lau, what's your opinion?
Also those headsets would need a DAC, wouldnt they? The difference is huge even compared to the best ALC chips on premium mainboards.
@@lukasklupfel2927No it is not better if you are in a quiet enviorment and btw if you do measurements on dacs you find that many under 100$ dac and dacs in MB or adapters like the iphone jack adapter measure good enough to where no headphones can reproduce the difference
shouldve tested if theres a difference if youre wearing glasses or no. idk where but i heard that it makes a huge difference in ANC couple years ago.
Great content launders!
Those prices are eye watering.
yeah but its worth it tho they are made so well
@@josephrusso6422 for who?
@@josephrusso6422 lots of people at home dont need this. the selling feature is the increased imagining? footsteps? buy audio grade headphones and EQ them. you dont even need the best of the best you can get $200 sennheisers and EQ and they will be 10x better than this product (without the noise cancelling but unless u live in a noisy house or playing lan u dont need that anyway for CS)
All those Faceit level 3's are going to see it as a sound investment.
Electronic has no excuse now
I’m not spending $700 on footsteps. What is a reasonable price headset?
These headphones look great but why do the pros still use inear earphones in LANs
sweet! congrats bro
It's actually great if it does effectively do its job but what I wonder is that when u wear it would it also carry alot of weight considering the fact tht the casters and players would be wearing it for almost a good few hours. In which case would be worth it if it's actually going to cause a bit of a sore on the ears
the A-spires are extremely lightweight and comfortable. take it from me- I've tried almost every headset on the market 😂
@@launders how would those compare to the run of the mill gaming headsets like hyperx cloud ii or logitech pro, when it comes to the topic at hand, those pesky footsteps
@@brunogomesdrums the best way to quanitfy would be seconds ahead. the best pair of gaming headphones that were tested that weren't acezone's were still quite far behind as you can see in this vid
Whats your opinion on headsets like this from a non-lan enviornment? My belief is that people who can afford to buy quality headphones would be better off than any headset out there. I see you have a pair yourself (beyerdynamics?). I use Sennheiser HD660S myself. I feel like a lot of people are taking the wrong approach to this at home and getting products like this (gaming headsets) because they don't know any better. If they can afford it and also enjoy music they should just get really good headphones and decent desk mic and have waaaaay better imaging, soundstage etc for gaming. Also not sure if your aware of oritory1990 but it EQs all listed headphones to the harman target. Literally free upgrade by some very smart and generous people that kind of makes having different headphones redundant but thats a different heated topic lol :p
i use both- my beyerdynamics for music and these for cs. audiophile headphones aren’t optimal for footsteps in cs. a lot of “gaming” headsets are actually the best in this regard- but not for music of course.
@@launders All the characteristics a headphones/headset can have over another (better or worse imaging, soundstage, resolution of lows mids highs etc) comes down to the frequency response though. When you change the frequency response at each hz interval in software to the same thing, your brain will not be able to the tell the difference between 2 entirely different headphones EQ'd to the same FR's at each level. Soundstage will appear the same, imaging will appear the same. Therefore the footsteps will be the same too. Hobbyists of headphones get duped by this as well. They collect and buy headphones that have good X or Y, then buy a different pair for another reason. I think this is fine if you dont want to EQ. But if you are going to take advantage than you really only need one pair. And if your going to have one pair I'd personally rather have an open back so my head/ears can breath and have something that has lots of data on different EQs so I can change it for music or CS or whatever, which only audiophile headphones fit all this criteria.
@@chrisevans6293 well eq is one part, if you're in a quiet environment it wont matter but anc and isolation are the other component of gaming headsets.
@@launders for sure i would take anc closed back if i was in the rio major too. at home ill stick with my senns
@@chrisevans6293 i got so bored of my 600s and 598s but i used them for so long. also those pads got oily
So why pro players use the earphones inside this headphones?
they can use these but pros currently use earbuds that they are used to to play everything. ultimately it comes down to comfort for everyone but if they used the headphones for sound they would be doing a lot better than their current in-ears.
@@launders thanks for explaining bro ❤️
320 quid for the consumer grade model 🥶 I'll stick to my hyperx until these are cheaper
i thought they just used headphones to pump out white noise and earphones for ig audio
i was thinking the anc was cool and useful but then i remebered that i have anxiety
My headphones are so bad lmao, I can only hear those footsteps after 10 seconds :(
Never saw this in my feed
Great stuff
yoo this is elite content
This headset is really cool but like 750 bucks for a headset, ain’t quite worth it for me yet. Good on anyone that can fork over that kinda dough tho. Just saw the aspire model on the website, a little better but kinda the same thing for 320$
idk how you would spin this for the average consumer, you don't need this isolation if you aren't in front of a screaming crowd. In a small friendly lan environment regular closed back cans are more than enough in terms of isolation.
the footsteps are ahead of every other headphones. its more than just anc
@@launders in my experience good frequency response is more important in the headphones I use at home than isolation. Surprised they didn't go into that.
@@Tommo_ they are trying to sell you a product so they won't bring up EQ because it would make their headset redundant in places you dont need ANC. The footsteps thing just means they have physically tuned it to hear certain FRs that are prevalent in CS. Theres no magic to hearing things more clearly when it comes to this stuff. There are tons of resources for EQing to certain levels (games, harman target for music) that have already been figured out by professional audio engineers and researchers. Yes the ANC is cool. But unless your playing in a stadium having actual headphones that are listed in things like oratory1990 are far better options.
@@chrisevans6293 I'm aware of all this as an audio guy, which is why this video irked me the wrong way a bit. A nice wide sound stage and flat-to-bright frequency response will do tons more for footsteps than ANC can ever do at home.
Question: why is every pro using in-ears under these headphones, if the sound is so great?
This year was my best year all of a sudden because I won a game with GeT_RiGhT and Opeth's singer told me I know his songs better than him xd
get these if you want to hear yourself talk without the option to turn it off
Woah he's danish guys. He must know what good headphones are.
Amazing content
Always wondered… thanks for sharing!
I have these headphones and unfortunately they aren't amazing if you are not content with hearing everything that goes through the mic through the headset. There is no mute button for the headset even though it's "suppose" too when its in the up position.
I love lau but I don't want content creators to advertise headsets if they are not willing to tell the full story and problems with it.
EDIT: im an idiot who didnt want to push the boom arm to far back. Doing so fixed my problem entirely. 10/10 because that was my only problem the headphones are great !
you just have to set the arm upright properly. the arm is just very flexible so turn it from the bottom 🙂 it mutes
@@launders i was being too gentle with it.. I didnt think it would go back that far. I will adjust my comment thanks for that!
I want these so bad I must save up $336.72 :)
But isn’t the sound of these quite irrelevant for the pros? I thought they use inears for the ingame audio
Ye, they only use these for ANC and the mic. The footstep boosting can be achieved for free with EQ
They don’t sell these in NA
We will very soon though! Check back in a couple of weeks
This is some top tier content
If only these were the headsets used in Rio. Those looked like trash.
Volvo, fix footstep sounds. So don't have to buy stuff like this to be able to hear stuff. Volvo promoting pay to win?
£699 for some headsets with some slight better footsteps hearing like really?
the A-rise headphones are for LAN environments. not necessary unless you are playing for money lets say. in which case they pay for themselves when you hear footsteps early :-)
Lau such a good ambassador for shit like this
Why do pros wear earbuds under these though
Nice!
You know imma be buying the £700 pair lol 😊
Seems cool, but also pointless for 99% of people. Most peoples rooms arent noisy
I've used apple earpods for 4 years pft
Never caused much issue beside calling wrong things to me teammates and constantly being caught off guard
It don't matter what headset you give me, i can't hear shit.
But the PROs still play with their own In-Ear´s. !?
way too expensive. $800+ USD ? you can get a nice audiophile headset with a 7.1 dac which would be 100x better.
Soooo expensive):
Maybe if they werent fkn 800$ they would be worth purchasing
800€ ^^
No shipping to NA 😢
Coming soon! Check again in a couple of weekes!
Shipping to the US is now a thing!
Gud shit
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lol i hear it at no. 11 no wonder i think their are cheaters in dust 2
I want one
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Pros don't use these for game sound.
For £300 that microphone is awful.
I mean headset mics suck in general, but that’s honestly better than a lot of other headsets.
you gotta be a real fuckin sweat to use these to play csgo
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