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Goku Black's "SECRET" 50/50 (And Why it Works)
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- čas přidán 14. 11. 2020
- Goku black has real mixup?!? You betcha. It can be tricky to do, but he has one of the best 50/50s in the game (assuming you execute it consistently). Even if you don't play him or fight against him very much, this video should still be helpful to you. We cover important topics like jump mechanics, why superjumping is important, what a kara cancel is and how it works, and how you might be able to set up similar mixups with other characters.
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I forgot to mention that this mixup is actually nothing new. Some very helpful gentlemen on twitter have been spreading the good word of the goku black 50/50 for a while now, but I figured I could do my part to share the tech and help anyone who is confused about how it works. Thanks for watching!
Thank you so much! From the people who don’t use Twitter.
What about characters with anti air grabs like 21 16 and vegito who are left airborne?
I am glad I been saying this for over 6 month I was using with bardock
The big character thing if u had a multi hit assist they should be able to stand after the ex flash
Thanks for making this vid. I really did learn a lot about mechanics and goku blavk
Goku Black twitter guy here. Some additional notes for everyone else:
■ He can SJ Install for his Instant Transmission in one of 3 places:
- Easy: from neutral, you can Tiger Knee the IT directly 2147H (3f window)
- Medium: staggering, or the landing lag of j.S, gives a buffer for the SJ (1~2f button timing + 4f SJ buffer)
- Hard: directly do 2, 8+L at the start of a blockstring (1 frame link, hitbox makes it look easy)
■ If they respect you, Goku Black can threaten all 4 corners with SJ Install float mixup
■ Black doesn't need SJ Install to mix, but it upgrades his existing mix. Options that don't need SJ Install:
- Base Goku A specifically, it works out that IT + Assist -> land -> 5L hits the same frame as a delayed j.44H
- Most other assists can do j.66S 214H to crossup mix, or a delayed j.H for same side
- Some assists (Beams, TGohan A, Zamasu B, Janemba B, Blueku B) get unique pushback setups
- High blockstun (Bardock B, Jiren A) give Black a high/low without EX Transmission. Empty 2M vs. late j.66M
- And of course, the universal (corner only) SD + Assist mix.
What are the unique pushback setups for Blueku B, for example? Or were you just extending what you were already saying about crossup/delayed j.H?
@@mo8324 Some assists have exactly the right amount of pushback so that you can time 214H + Assist -> j.H to hit either same side or crossup, without needing SJ Install nor an airdash.
They're unique because they're very assist-specific. TGohan A is probably the best of the lot because he makes 214L + assist -> j.66M hit crossup (last I checked in s3.0 patch)
You cant tiger knee IT lmao but im sure thats not what you meant
@@chrisguy98TM It's the same motion as a Tiger Knee input, but different timing. There's a 3 frame window to press the button and cancel the Super Jump startup, rather than immediately after leaving the ground.
Let’s goo tabby
Finally some decent mix
Decent is an understatement
All I heard was 2-H bait. Am I missing something?
Finally? Lord Knight showcased this months ago
the tf2 pfp?
@@YouAlreadyKnowBabi it was circulating on Twitter for a minute lol
Goku Black? MIXXXX? I have never heard those two words together in my life.
This shit been existing for a while now. You're just behind the times
What about Goku black has no mix
I must be stupid because I thought you were writing Roman numerals after “Goku Black?” for a split second
That’d actually be three words.
@@toob_noob4381 VERY long time. OBassassin has been doing this since forever. He just didn't play point Goku Black so people didn't see it as often as they should to notice
Finally some unique Goku Black mixups can't wait to se-
"...Cell can do this too"
Well shit.
Hey man arcsys watched the show, Cell can steal moves so obviously he can do this, it's Canon.
4:37 "I can float ! I ... CAN ... FIGHT"
I haven't seen a fairly oddparents reference in my chat in a while haha
"Mary Poppinsing" new grammar achievement unlocked
lmao
I feel like Goku Black is making a comeback and that makes me happy. People finally are recognizing his full potential. I am scared about something however. He will inevitably get buffs, which might result in changing what people have been working so hard to discover about this character.
Yeah I'm curious where this character is heading, his popularity is going back up AGAIN...tbh he's very cool😎
People finding this out doesn't negate that he desperately needs buffs.
@@wittingterror2176 he has this from the beginning, i think knowkami already know this. He already show it in "why im not playing goku black". Why should perform this when i could just pick z brolly who could the same damage and 50/50 without assist and meter
Characters have far better 50/50s for free and with much easier access. This mixup has been known about for a while. There’s really nothing left to learn about him at this point. He needs buffs, more than any other character. I honestly think he needs a whole rework not even a buff
Spoiler alert, goku wack has not been buffed
Well, what do you think of this mix? Is it not beautifull?
This is wayyyy easier than I thought it would be, haven’t seen this and I’ve followed the game pretty thoroughly through its lifespan, super cool and interesting!
Rath I would just like to thank you for being such a positive and informative channel and streamer. Your content is one of the main reasons I keep trying to get better at fighterz! Without your guide detailing all the stuff I can do in Training mode my defense wouldn’t have gotten better in the slightest. If it hadn’t been for your character guides I wouldn’t have gotten into Teen Gohan. Keep doing what you’re doing man you are a shining beacon in this community!
MY MAN!!!
Its been so long, glad to finally watch some videos by you!
You're the only DBFZ content creator worth listening to honestly. lol. I love your stuff man. Straight to the point.
Known this mix since forever, didn't expect to learn anything new, and just came for your soothing voice. Didn't know that superjump installs were just an extension of kara cancels. TIL :)
There's a chance I'm wrong about superjump installs being involved with kara cancels, but I won't pass up an opportunity to teach people about something cool like kara cancels
The way you break things down make it easy to understand what you’re talking about. Keep it up
Float mix is difficult, but it's something for these desperate blacku players. Probably a bit more practical with hitbox.
True haha. They are desesperate to find something good for him
@@santi3256 he is very good at everything but mix up.
@@reynauldwhistles2338 he is not good at damage tho, but yeah he have nice neutral and strings.
@@reynauldwhistles2338 he has ok neutral, would be much better if he could slow or speed up his ki blasts more. Command grab is super slow with horrible scaling and gets mashed on. The only thing he really has that’s good is autocombo and sword heavies. Other than that he’s pretty average at everything from damage to meter gain. Also his DHC is horrible for his level one, if it was bomb he’d have decent synergy. Goku Black legitimately needs a whole list of buffs or a complete rework to be “pretty good” at anything tbh
@@reynauldwhistles2338 wish he was good like at the beginning of the game he had some sauce, he was Bardock 1.0 with his 236X
Honestly I'd like to see them buff Goku Black this exact way, basically making it so that after every Instant Transmission you have the super jump property. Would be awesome and would make him very unique mobillity wise across the cast.
I'm gonna main goku black so that 90% of the time I will get the sj install on my blockstrings after a scramble... wish me luck
They did this universally a while back lmao
2 things I didn't know
1. Kara Cancel from superjump
2. SuperJump property retains on the ground
Rath with the green screen!
Don't watch my last video if you want your eyeballs to still work
@@RathFGC I didn’t notice it at first, but now I can’t look away lol
now THIS is something someone could show me when arguing Goku black is good, no one freaking does it, still don't think he's top tier at all but already he is more attractive to play
I know this is old, but you need to have a certain situation in order to reliably get the float to install normally. In blockstrings, the only way you can get it to work is a 1 frame window at the start of the blockstring, which as you can imagine when there's characters like kid buu who can do the same thing much better and easier, makes nobody want to play the character.
@@namesurname6000 I do agree with this... characters do do the same thing black can and better but the sole reason I picked him up literally a week ago is because he somewhat reminds me of jin or maybe hworang from tekken 7. I have almost no problem getting this mixup down because jfsr and ewhf are basically the same thing and my assists are okay enough to play mid to high level, it just takes a little practice, luck, and skill, and really I dont like the easy route to anything lol. Just an opinion 🤷♂️
Somebody get this man some buffs. It's not even that he's bad, it's just that every other character has more options offensively. He needs some love on solo combo extensions and some of his specials need to be changed to give him some free mix options to stay relevant. Give him an angled Kamehameha and frame data to jail into IT for a free Hi-Lo mix and he'd be a lot more viable. At least an angle ki blast or something to contest airspace from the ground. Making standing ki blast or Kamehameha jail into IT would do him a ton of good tho.
Rath out here looking like jiyuna's long lost twin
That is so unique i knew the game has moments where things bleed into other moves retaining effetcs and such but this down super up attack tech makes me wana try it on everything to see what is affected
im a simple dude when it comes to fighting games so im kinda psyched
nice
His ex teleport should give him the float property automatically. This is very cool but other characters have mix up without have to do all of the steps. Good find tho!
Just want to say that I didn't find this. I'm just helping share the good word haha
Imagine being lazy and not just learning this
@@neverendinghate1005 not being lazy if other characters have better mix without the need to install super jump. Stop trying to be a troll
@@DeenoHenddrix You're being lazy if it being harder is what stops you from playing Black when you want to.
@@neverendinghate1005 this move isn't even worth it most the time the chances of getting this install in a match is so low especially in online.
Kara Cancel is basically cancelling the first frames of animation of a move with a special, supers or grabs. Usually it's used in forwards advancing moves of the character to extend the range of their Specials, taking advantage of the first frames of momentum in the animation. What is happening here is more of a Input retention, kinda like Negative Edge, an example been Urine in SF3rd, which allows you to dash while still retaining the charge of a charged move. But in this case the properties of the Super Jump are been retained during the attacks and then released ones Goku Black is airborne.
Dunno if Negative Edge is the best description, but Kara Cancel isn't the right term for this tech imo.
But if I'm proven wrong then that's ok, is good to learn more.
you and Globku are the only RELIABLE fighterZ guys
I think this explains an issue I sometimes experienced with Jiren combos where I'd cancel a jM into jS and then superdash to follow up but only get superdash instead (which leads to the combo dropping) because the inputs would show a lonely S and then HS but the S canceled into superdash instead. Thanks for video Rath. Hope you're doing well despite the busy period. Good luck with school and stay healthy!
Rath you need more subs bro. Love your DBFZ content.
I missed your videos, thank you so much for these deep dives into the DBFZ Tech. You really help open my eyes when approaching new characters and picking them up. Thanks for all you do🙏
Some Ideas for Black buffs:
Make his instant transmission faster. Even 2-3 frames faster would really help him.
Here's an interesting one, do what was given to Blue Vegeta and make his 5S and 6S able to convert in to other specials and supers. That could reaaallly buff his neutral.
OR Just make his 5S and 6S like Trunks' 5S and make it beat normal Ki blasts.
Honestly, just giving him that Blue Vegeta buff would already make him much better, but I think the 5S and 6S change is unanimously a must-have.
really cool video man, I learned a lot of stuff that i thought i understood but really didnt
omg i thought you were doing vanish this whole time but it was his special teleport attack omg im dumb thanks. now it works, now is goku black time babyyyyyyyyyyyy
I got my fundamentals tshirt last week it's pretty sweet!!
Glad you like it!
I'm still waiting for Season 3 crash course on 17, these guides, all of them, are so much more informational than simple combo guides and there isn't too much out for 17 as it stands
I play the game SINCE it came out and I didn't know why my BEERUS good left right mix up mostly not working on my friends & I was asking him is it auto block or what?!? Cuz I always train to make it true block string, and I didn't know that it will cancel my left right mix ups!
& Thank you so much for this helpful tech u explained to us. ♥✨🌹💖
Honestly love your content and just the chill vibes that eminate from your vids
I dropped goku black a long time ago after I mained him, and never in my life have I witnessed this witchcraft.
Very good explanation of kara cancel. Good refresher.
Omg this is amazing, my guy just gave hope to goku black! Great work!
Yay more Rath
Glad to see an upload man, was gettin worried for ya
I've had a lot going on, but overall I'm doing alright, I promise :')
I figured it was a super jump install, but I was expecting the Tiger Knee method. I learned about Kara (probably wrong spelling) cancels.
You can do a tiger knee but only in sparking or on hit
great video Rath
damn we had to discover a new mechanic 3 years into the game to give goku black a mix
I left Black after hearing he was "bad" but videos likes this makes me wanna play him again, I love his teleport mixups. Thaanks
Ayo S/O to the Goku Black discord for putting out helpful tech like this!
I LOOOOVE NEW TECH
Give black a 6 frame 2LL like blueku, command grab w damage buff to 1200 and different animation to combo after, make his dive kick safe like cooler, god slicer less recovery, and oki after lvl 3 w instant transmission and he’s top tier
Great video, man.
Very well explained and entertaining to watch. 👌
This should just be a buff for Goku black imo might get some more people a good reason to play him
This video made me realize that the dpad of the Switch joycons are actually uncomfortable for doing more advanced stuff like this
*Vader breathez heavy* this video shoulda been called "see dante bold cancel"... *Vader breathez heavy*
Just got back to dbfz and your videos are as good as ever, thank you!
This is actually an insane tech. You monster! Take this down before i start seeing goku blacks!
Mix for characters who don't really have it on their own. Nice. Tough tech to learn as the Inputs are tight but with practice it could make some characters better who struggle on get up
Finally I wanted to play goku balck for so long but couldn't bc he had no 50/50 thx you for making this video
Guilty Gear even teach us something like this. Chipp Zanuff can jump install in order to keep is double jump after his teleport. Is something quite tricky and demands muscle memory implantation.
I only had to superjump install for a few things with Ky. Chipp doing it all the time is definitely intimidating haha
Kara cancel Drs are really good for mixups. Gt gokus 5s kara is op
crazy how he has to do this for something he should already be able to do ngl
Looking good dude
Thanks for the tipps
Why no this is my tech now everybody going to ply the gokublack base shell
I just hope you make more videos. Love them. I am sure you have considered this, but I'd love some easy to make and edit content from you. Be it live matches or something else.
''if we didn't have gravity the whole world would fall apart''
technically...Float apart...
Hopefully if Goku black gets buffed they'll give him the ability to 50/50 after his ex instant transmission so I don't forget to do the superjump combo string thingy, and because I'm bad at it and I would end up breaking my analog stick lmao.
Damn, now everybody is gonna be doing this...
Ngl it's been discussed in Black discords for a while now and it still hasn't been widely adopted. I have my doubts more people will be doing this. Having said that it does seem to be getting more traction this time around
Maybe, but as long as UI exists, people will continue to thirst for easy wins with him.
@@justsomedude7138 online turn ui into god. Tell me one thing in his kit that gotten worse in lag. Z brolly ki blast and corner carry got worse. Vegito banshee blast ( this gain more meter and damage). And Online removing all of ui weakness. Some os against him become inconsistent. He has 3-7 matchup but that character got killed in lag.
Online improve unrelesting will a lot because you definetlly has higher chance to drop combo in lag. And it is unreactable in online
@@blueperiodfan4725 That's...my point? UI is the character people pick to get a win. As long as they aren't dumb and know how to block, they'll win with UI.
@@justsomedude7138 its really sad the best goku form is the lamest playstyle in the game. The one who pick ui is the one who want to win not fun.
Online buffing him this much is honestlly make character more of a joke. And if suddenlly offline return and ui drop from tier. I completlly laugh of how pathenic he is.
I remember back in Season 1 when Piccolo and Vegito could kara cancel their lvl 1 into raw tags by cancelling 6s>lvl 1 those were the days
I havent played Rosé since before Bardock and Broly, its good to see that even though he's pretty bad that he still has something for himself besides just his beam. Hopefully he'll get something soon and ArcSys won't remove this
Love your videos, keep the good work up man.
This mix....Will make me stronger
Hmmmmm, could this work with goku blue teleport as well after the opponent blocks, that split second landing for same side or cross up?
10:14 question: wouldn't a tiger knee if black did a dive kick as close to the ground as possible?
to the lab!!! thanks for the explanation.
Kidney gonna be hype
Finally, a CRUMB of mix
7:35 Most people? I'm a god of destruction.....hmm let me put my settings and judge me.
I play with ps4 controller, analog stick, I have dragon rush for R1, super dash for R2, vanish is light and medium, no quick tag (no forward or down L1/L2 quick tag), my forward air dash is forward + super dash.
Now I personally think all of them are fine, except for forward dash. I definitely see the benefits of turning that off.
your voice is butter
Yo it's been a whole month geez Feels different without your content man Hope you can post more often :(
This man giving Wawa another reason to demolish people with this character! Hopefully this 50/50 is enough to make him a better choice.
Wawa's been doing this WELL before this video came out LOL, this is a very comprehensive guide nonetheless
Ah, i see
So then i suppose it may be tim- HA ye i heard abt the float mix with him, its kinda hard to pull off sometimes but its do-able
Was gonna give it a whirl but my interest is peeked with other characters so "hes on hold"
I would love to see a video on corner stealing. Like if you call UI A assist after broly j2H
5:50 shout out to mechanic
That down heavy looks real nice 💀
Rath upload, today is a good day
It'd be crazy if Goku blue can do this with 2h > H dive kick since It's the same kind of teleport on block
I feel like even if he could it might actually do more harm than good since he's so high up.
Maestro
Very cool I wonder what other characters can do using this tech
Feel that you have the voice for an NPR podcast.
Very Cool
I just realized that Android 21 might be able to do something similar with her teleport, but I'm not sure how useful that'd be
The issue is that that kind of mix up with 21 is char dependent. You’ll definitely need to lab and try all her lentils tools and see what are her options
I highly recommend you do take that time. We need people to find out these hidden techs so to speak. Good luck
@@jasonbiggs1624 I was testing this out and it turns out she can do this. It also turns out that depending on the assist she doesn't even need to super jump install! if you time it right with certain assists she'll teleport and go over them while the assist is pushing them back. I've only tested it out with Roshi and Base Goku so far though and it works with them
Some how black has been creeping back up in popularity and alot of tech has been surfacing...very curious on where this character is headed
Not very far til they give him buffs he's needed forever. This is actually really old just showing up again because some top players have been some have been been playing him i have no idea why. Its a good mix but extremely difficult to hit the install consistently in a match which is why you never see it even from the best players so its not really all that useful and can cause lot of reversals.
@@STuGBigSexy i did see mrpopo do this in a 1v1 with wawa
Edit: multiple times actuallu
I’m having trouble trying to do the mix on black as I think I might be doing it to soon or too late
The entire FighterZ community: "NOOO. GOKU WHACK IS BOTTOM TIER. YOU CAN'T LAB HIM TO FIND DECENT MIXUP WITH HIM!!!!"
Rath: "Haha left-right go brrrrrr."
Very helpful video... keep it up!
not the first to comment on this video but certainly not the last to do so
Holy crap goku whack has 50/50 no clue makes kinda now whack anymore thx rath 👊
I wonder what knowkami has to say now about his mix..
FACCTS
When the five goku black mains see the title
This is just how the move should work. I hate how he was made cuz he should’ve been really cool his tools are cool they just need to work
Ikr