Ilan Pappe- Decolonizing Israel
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- Full speech given by Ilan Pappe (Professor of History and Palestinian Studies at the University of Exeter) discussing how Zionist myths have shaped and perpetuated the Israel Lobby, and the need to change the lense which the Israel/Palestine conflict is viewed through in order to overcome these myths and resolve the conflict at the "Israel Lobby and American Policy" conference on March 24th, 2017 at the National Press Club.
Excellent. I would hope that his voice will be heard more...and comprehended. But how do we become more tolerant, accepting the "other"? Unfortunately, I'm not optimistic.
'other' is whom? Zionist indoctrination has enforced the hating of Palestinians through demonisation while Zionists have actually been demonic to the indigenous forced from their land. ANY actions by Palestinians has been to defend itself, and suicide bombings are as desparate as can be done, but still is resistance, justified since it has been the land of Arabic populations since the 7th century. From 3000 BC-1000 BC was a Canaanite civilisation in the area that's today called Palestine, from Arabic word Filastin, and has grown and shrunk over time, but then was Syria, Lebanon, Palestine,(includes claimed Israeli part) and Jordan currently, When Jews were driven out by the Romans in the 2nd century, left were 'future' Palestinians, then, '...a potpourri: farmers and vineyard growers, pagans and converts to Christianity, decendants of the Arabs, Persians, Samaritans, Greeks and old Canaanite tribes.” Marcia Kunstel and Joseph Albright, “Their Promised Land.”
David conquered Canaan in 1000 BC, and the extended Kingdoms of Solomon and David was 73 years, and according to Ilene Beatty Jewish kingdoms totalled out at about 410 years or so, the very claim Zionists makes seems less legit, when with invasions etc, area stabilised by the 7th century and known Arab and Islam population majorities. Ottoman Empire absorbed Palestine in 1500 or so as province thereof, and despite post 1880s immigrations, by 1931 Jewish vs Palestinian/indigenous populations were 175,000 Jewish to 1,100,000 indigenous. So, who is supposed to tolerate whom, as here it s apperntly Jewish are the 'other.' But somehow I get the sense you feel it to be the reverse of that. Just remember that when Spain and Europe ejected the Muslims, the Jews, also went following them, they went to Arab countries most of whom protected the Jews.
@@nash984954 The Arabs were presented with 5 resolutions since 1917 & DECLINED all. They chose war than peace in 1948 & lost. The NAKBA was then created & the Arab States in the region REFUSED to absorb the Palestinian-Arabs 700,000 refugees. They exiled, expelled & threw out +800,000 Jews in the Arab countries. Whose to blame ? British ? Arabs ? Israel ? French ? UN ? USA ?
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*Is Israel an apartheid state?*
_"I don't think so,"_ Frederik Willem de Klerk, South Africa's last white president said. _"But if the two-state solution is not implemented, and if, in such a situation, the Jews have special rights while the Palestinians live as second-class citizens, Israel will become an apartheid state."_
*What do you mean?*
_"The essence of apartheid is racial discrimination,"_ de Klerk said. _"In 1948, we turned the policy that was already being implemented on the ground into law._
_"In the third stage, we tried to give both blacks and Indians partial political rights and divide the land. _*_The offered land was divided into enclaves and too small;_*_ the blacks didn't regard independence as a solution. And then came the fourth stage: One state. At that point, it was the only logical solution."_
Frederik Willem de Klerk, Tel Aviv 2015
This makes a lot of sense now for why Palestinians are frustrated and are acting out with violence, hence the conflict happening right now .
Ilan and Norman Finkelstein both possess a wealth of knowledge and truths on this topic ❤❤❤❤
"is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing" ( W. Shakespeare )
He is the voice of the truth, words are not enough to describe him.
true human, the truth, hope some in the Palestinan Authority will listen & learn a little bit from this great, honest, courageous beautiful inside out human being ✌
Decolonization is a non starter. America, Australia, and New Zealand are all settler colonial states founded on the ethnic cleansing and marginalisation of the indigenous peoples. America and Israel have common settler, colonial values, and to admit fault in one is to admit fault in yourself.
Colonialism died out a bit in South Africa
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You know it’s not true
@@akifabeed1045 Utter nonsense. Colonialism and Settler Colonialism are alive and "well" all over Africa, Asia and the Americas.
a little gap , a little day light and the truth comes flowing out. way to go all speakers.
Pappé was born in Haifa, Israel.[1] Prior to coming to the UK, he was a senior lecturer in political science at the University of Haifa (1984-2007) and chair of the Emil Touma Institute for Palestinian and Israeli Studies in Haifa (2000-2008).[2] He is the author of The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine (2006), The Modern Middle East (2005), A History of Modern Palestine: One Land, Two Peoples (2003), and Britain and the Arab-Israeli Conflict (1988).[3] He was also a leading member of Hadash,[4] and was a candidate on the party list in the 1996[5] and 1999[6] Knesset elections.
Pappé is one of Israel's New Historians who, since the release of pertinent British and Israeli government documents in the early 1980s, have been rewriting the history of Israel's creation in 1948, and the corresponding expulsion or flight of 700,000 Palestinians in the same year. He has written that the expulsions were not decided on an ad hoc basis, as other historians have argued, but constituted the ethnic cleansing of Palestine, in accordance with Plan Dalet, drawn up in 1947 by Israel's future leaders.[7]
He blames the creation of Israel for the lack of peace in the Middle
East, arguing that Zionism is more dangerous than Islamic militancy, and
has called for an international boycott of Israeli academics.[8][9]
What a brave & great man 👍
BRILLIANT SPEECH
Right this 70 yr wrong
Wow, using the enclaved Palestinians as a control utility against other Palestinians and still portray that “engagement” as a democracy!Truly real bullsh$t! Thank you, Mr. Pappe!
Wish we paid more attention to voices like his and many other Jewish people with a heart, a conscience, and courage to speak out against injustice.
‘During the South African struggle, we were accused of following a communist agenda, but smears didn’t deflect us. Today, Israel’s propaganda follows a similar route, repeated by its supporters - conflating opposition to Israel with antisemitism. This must be resisted’ Ronnie Kasrils, a former South African government minister, and was a leading member of the African National Congress during the apartheid era.
I am watching this video on June, 2021 after the third war on Gaza and the enormous destruction of the infrastructure of the Big Jail (aka Gaza strip) and killing 250 people including 55 children. This is exactly what Ilan Pappe described in this video as "incremental Genocide ". Another incremental event will follow probably in 2024-5 and will be the 4th war on Gaza.
Turned out to be not so incremental unfortunately
Ethnic cleansing, genocide or elimination all accurate descriptions of the Palestinian political and demographic reality. I would have probably chosen all of them as a title for a study, but the long title may not be practical for publishing purposes. However, with the theme of enclave and containment, one may get the impression that Israel is not serious enough about the genocide of Palestinians, which is not an accurate conclusion either. Israel seems to employ a hybrid and a myriad of ways to handle the Palestinian problem. Some components of that myriad seem naturally to be in contradiction or inconsistent, but in the grand sum, they all add up to the ultimate goal of the Zionist State, that is, control and domination.
its clear youve never seen a map of the middle east
THANK YOU.
IT IS GOOD TO SEE HUMAN CONSCIOUS, IN THE MIDDLE OF TRAGEDY AND DARKNESS, WHICH GIVE HOPE TO HUMANS EVERYWHERE
He is right, ethnic cleansing is a form of genocide however it falls somewhat short of full-on genocide. It is like amputation as opposed to decapitation.
Hmm wonder what you’ll say now…
A profound analysis from a great historian and thinker
Your voice and voices like yours are needed to stop the insanity and safe people on both sides for generations to come....!!!! I admire your courage and sense of humanity...One country one vote all citizens are equal under the law....! ❤
@Washington_Report_on_Middle_East_Affairs
Would you allow me to translate this to Arabic?
An amazing man by any ones measure.
I learn with every presentation.
BDS=ODS
Thanks ILLAN , very constructive thinking.
6:45 - If not ignorance then maybe a lack of empathy?
Eu amei esse cara ❤
He's so right. We cant just talk it out..Its gotten worse.
Great presentation, salute!
Uncompromisingly forthright analysis !
According to the investigative journalist David Sheen, when analyzing israel's political arena, it makes the most sense to divide it into four camps:
Integrationist
Segregationist
Domination
& Elimination
For clarification, look up the lecture entitled:
Israel + Palestine in the gilded Age [FULL]
Or the relevant excerpt:
The 4 Sides of the Israeli*Palestinian Conflict
Excerpt:
The 4 Sides of the Israeli*Palestinian Conflict:
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Israel + Palestine in the Gilded Age [FULL]:
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nice. thanks.
Thou shall not kill is what Jesus preached.
@ 41:24 explains the last 53-years of the conflict
I don't know if the Palestinian people are going to let go of their country and land.It's a big deal that the rush for one state solution must not brush under the carpet.
Very good point! Expulsion and exclusion does not have to be done by removing populations or objects from a particular boundaries or space; it could be achieved by the trivialization or enclaving of the people or objects inside. This is even more aggressive mode of expulsion because making people inside so insignificant and so frustrated will only force people to leave voluntarily or containing them politically where they would become an annexed utility in the service of the occupier without posing political threat. The occupied Palestinians are kept inside the occupied territories and hence deprived from joining the Palestinian diaspora while also constituting a great cheap labor force for the Israelis. Many Palestinians who escaped the enclave joined the Palestinian resistance in Arab neighboring countries and were a PR political voice for the Palestinians in the diaspora. The idea is similar to captivity and imprisonment where the subject threat is minimized without much cost to the party in control.
Seja palestino(a) ❤❤❤❤❤
If the Palestinians are the poor, oppressed population in Israel, near the end times, holding to existence and Faith prophesied by Prophet David in the Psalms. Then Ilan Peppé you are blessed.
Why.the.name.isreal..was.given.to.the.settelers.land.in.palistine.even.against.the.desiision.of.the.palestinians. Nameing.the.land.isreal.was.wrong..fix..that.
very enlightening speech from an honest, just, and objective historian.
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39:20
He defends palestine much more than palestinian themselves.
Deir Yassin
Interesting to hear those valid words, " .. we will all be invited to the funeral" , considering it's Nov 2, 2023 and current events , Ilan accuracy is impeccable.
That would take too long for the Palestine side
I'm sure these are held at retirement homes. The audience always seems to be retirees.
We're still waiting for trump "deal of the century" in resolving the palestinian-israeli conflict. All we hear is it will happen "soon...real soon". In trump-speak SOON=NEVER?
Was histler a tsionist Christian?
Here is Ilan Pappe's official page on facebook facebook.com/pappeIlan/
Decolonizing Palestine,
Its a tiny country ffs
Free palestine
That one state idea has as much chance of coming to fruition & working out as an egg on a school yard.
An equitable solution would be to give more than half the land what’s called Israel to the Palestinians and the rest become Israel.
look at ppast maps. jordan sits on 80% of the british mandate right now. the other 20% IS divided between Israel and palestine. but one side wants it all. the arabs want it all, even though they have dozens and dozens of countries in the middle east. this war is not about land. if you look at a map you will see. both jews and palestinians were called before 1948. it wasnt an ethnicity it was a region. arafat made it an ethnicity 20 yrs after Israel's creatooms
@@shellyh3014lol jesus christ they indoctrinate you people HARD. the entire world is on one side and israhell, us of terrorism and micronesia on the other. 😎
It is Decolonizing Palestine, NOT "Decolonizing Israel"
What indigenous people are you talking about? In North America, the "indigenous" people replaced each other in a leap-frogging process that continued from the first tribe that displaced the previous tribe. Different languages and different cultures continually replaced by succeeding ones and this is true for all parts of the globe. We don't know who was in what location when in the last 1,000 years, let along 10,000 years ago. I'm not referring specifically to Israel but to all areas inhabited by all peoples in all times. I confused by how you figure this out and decide who has the first right to a piece of land.
I make that calculation by putting myself in the shoes of the indigenous rather than the settler who is willing to steal and murder if necessary. It is morally defensible to defend your family and home. It is morally indefensible to invade another domicile for the sake of glory and booty. No matter the other persons religion or political affiliation or social status. This doctrine is enshrined in the Ten Commandments and international law. The USA does not obviously subscribe to either.. And it never has.
EARLY HISTORY OF THE REGION CALLED PALISTINE TODAY
Before the Hebrews first migrated there around 1800 B.C., the land of Canaan was occupied by Canaanites.
“Between 3000 and 1100 B.C., Canaanite civilization covered what is today Israel, the West Bank, Lebanon and much of Syria and Jordan. . . Those who remained in the Jerusalem hills after the Romans expelled the Jews [in the second century A.D.] were a potpourri: farmers and vineyard growers, pagans and converts to Christianity, decendants of the Arabs, Persians, Samaritans, Greeks and old Canaanite tribes.” Marcia Kunstel and Joseph Albright, “Their Promised Land.”
The present-day Palestinians’ ancestral heritage
“But all these [different peoples who had come into Canaan] were additions, sprigs grafted onto the parent tree…And that parent tree was Canaanite… [The Arab invaders of the 7th century A.D.] made Moslem converts of the natives, settled down as residents, and intermarried with them, with the result that all are now so completely Arabized that we can’t tell where the Canaanites leave off and the Arabs begin.” Ilene Beatty, “Arab and Jew in the Land of Canaan.”
The Jewish kingdoms were only one of many periods in ancient Palestine
“The extended kingdoms of David and Solomon, on which the Zionists base their territorial demands, endured for only about 73 years…Then it fell apart…[Even] if we allow independence to the entire life of the ancient Jewish
kingdoms, from David’s conquest of Canaan in 1000 B.C. to the wiping out of Judah in 586 B.C., we arrive at [only] a 414-year Jewish rule.” Ilene Beatty, “Arab and Jew in the Land of Canaan.”
More on Canaanite civilization
“Recent archeological digs have provided evidence that Jerusalem was a big and fortified city already in 1800 BCE…Findings show that the sophisticated water system heretofor attributed to the conquering Israelites pre-dated them by eight centuries and was even more sophisticated than imagined…Dr. Ronny Reich, who directed the excavation along with Eli Shuikrun, said the entire system was built as a single complex by Canaanites in the Middle Bronze Period, around 1800 BCE.” The Jewish Bulletin, July 31, 1998.
How long has Palestine been a specifically Arab country?
“Palestine became a predominantly Arab and Islamic country by the end of the seventh century. Almost immediately thereafter its boundaries and its characteristics-including its name in Arabic, Filastin-became known to the entire
Islamic world, as much for its fertility and beauty as for its religious significance… In 1516, Palestine became a province of the Ottoman Empire, but this made it no less fertile, no less Arab or Islamic… Sixty percent of the
population was in agriculture; the balance was divided between townspeople and a relatively small nomadic group. All these people believed themselves to belong in a land called Palestine, despite their feelings that they were also
members of a large Arab nation…Despite the steady arrival in Palestine of Jewish colonists after 1882, it is important to realize that not until the few weeks immediately preceding the establishment of Israel in the spring of 1948 was there ever anything other than a huge Arab majority. For example, the Jewish population in 1931 was 174,606 against a total of 1,033,314.” Edward Said, “The Question of Palestine.”
It appears this is your way of watering down, or delegitimising claims when it's pretty clear, historically how things came to be the way they are. Consider, the Native Americans had understandings about hunting rights to do with areas of land, and had no concept of ownership to the land as 'rights' And perhaps why the Dutch thought it laughable how they were so easily taken in by trinkets traded for land. BUT the tribes thought the trinkets were gifts, not purchases in exchange for land since no one owned land before the colonists arrived. Bitter skirmishes occurred when they tried to hunt on their ancestral hunting grounds that were now according to colonists no longer having rights to. So, who in this situation is correct? I'd say the Indians who had the land to hunt on before had the same rights after the exchange since the Dutch likely took advantage of the rules not being stated or the agreeing parties truth was to mislead the Indians.
I hope this helps you to understand. Perhaps apply it generally to yourself what you deem or claim to be what you have as yours. Why is it 'YOURS?' Why would it bother you if someone came into your house and lay claim to the bedroom that was once theirs or so they claim before you came? You're trying to possibly pull a reductio ad absurdum.
Part of any type of claim has to do with accepted rules of engagement or negotiation terms. Colonialisation normally is almost always done to screw over the likely more primitive, or deemed moreso, but to justify actions done to those who actually are entitled to areas of life led at a certain place, to steal or force others off. Humans have done terrible things to each other with tribalist skirmishes, but the Colonising of or stealing of resources not yours and not gotten through negotiations or deals made, instead, might makes right and overpowering weaker people and taking what's theirs. The idea is decolonising is the giving back what was unjustly gained in the first place.
BUT, you're not an idiot, and should stop pretending you just fell from a hearse and haven't a clue what's happening.
Certainly not a people claiming land from a thousand years ago, right?!
@@theresewalters1696 right!
It’s better to have a Palestinian state all bars remove they get on for the first time in their lives with freedom and home and family Their children at school a breadwinner . With protection of the U N for both sides for any disputes. If any of the present settlers would like to stay they should be able to do. where the their lives are also protected. Then I think the reaching out will be possible. I would hope they come to recognise that both sides have suffered dnd would continue to do so if they continue with this eternal hate for each other. I am sure the mothers of Israel and their children running for masks and bomb shelters etc would find that a thing of the past and the Palestinians a midnight raid and father taken away and the “mowing of the lawns” things of the past.
If I understand correctly the native populations that were harmed were compensated in some measures by various governments..I haven’t heard any comprehensive efforts to compensate the Palestinians by Israel.Without comprehensive plans to address the issues and resolving them everything else is mere talking points.Jesus wouldn’t have supported what’s going on in those lands for those who think he’s waiting for certain criteria to be met before returning.The other important point is why do humans have to do work on behalf of god when those who believe feels he’s all powerful.
30:50 reality is not racism 😂. There isn’t a single Israeli living where Palestinians have governments. Haifa isn’t in west bank, it’s in Israel so it is under Israeli jurisdiction that’s why you have them living together
Is this guy even serious? Just giving BS emotional arguments. His historical work might be accurate but identifying current reality is far from accurate
Despite all the talk, the conflict is fundamentally a simple one: two distinct and different groups want to reside on the same piece of land at the same time. The only question is which group that is going to be. An objective assessment of the past and current situation on the ground leads the observer to conclude that it is going to be the Israelis. End of discussion.
Evil is taking over the world
So it is ok to genocide people ?
Simple and narrow minded "analysis",- by morris willburn
Or throurough studies by a PHD in history:
1948 org uk
1948.org.uk
Pure evil 👿 beware those that call theirselves Jews but aren’t Jews for they are from their father the devil 😈
Israel was the name given by YAWEH. It was part of Abraham & YAWEH's EVERLASTING COVENANT to him & his descendants. YAWEH had mapped & reinforced Israel's life from the day Abraham left his home. Abraham existed on the Land of Canaan in 1800BC prior to Israel being exiled across the continent of Europe, Asia, North Africa, etc. in 722BC.
I never hear the people who are critical, talk about how important nationalism is. We need boundaries and strong cultures and human rights. There is a lot of talk about diversity, open borders and criticism of the apartheid state, but after a while those things destroy a country through infiltration. The only way back is to nationalize and take care of your own. There is an evangelical frenzy going on to evangelize misery. People are creating misery and chaos to bring them to Jesus. Ther is a better way, it is called common sense. lets stop putting up wtih idiots and opportunists and corruption. Get rid of corporations tht exploit peopleand get back to small business and c ommunities. When people cant find things that are familiar they isolate, go on antidepressant, alcoholism. This is what diversity brings. Youhave to be connected to some organization tht controls your every move in order to survive. lets start calling things out like they are. Why do we try to integrate refugees so far away from their homeland that have nothing in common with our culture and want to keep their own culture. It is like giving away a chunk of your country. Thanks for all the people that speak out even when i disagree. God bless.
This man created his own history. Shame on you, you selfhater
You know nothing
Can you show the work of some respected historians who responded to him in a scientific manner?
Closed hateful mind
Ur ancestors r confessing. We're they also lied.
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Pappe is: "is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing" ( W. Shakespeare )
It is hard to define his work as objective history. He is a political polemicist- a fierce advocate of the Palestinian people and all their misfortunes but his views are entirely one sided. His books leave out enormous bodies of potential references but he tends to ignore any data that might interfere with his narrative of the Palestinian people as purely victims of the avarice rapacious Jewish colonists. For example he insists that the Palestinians were "ethnically cleansed" from Israel during the '48 war. That is just factually inaccurate. There were indeed expulsions but there were many other reasons the majority of Palestinians became refugees. History is far more complicated than Pappe would have us believe. He would also have us believe that the Palestinian people and leadership bear zero responsibility for what happened in 1948. This is an absurd notion.
it’s not complicated. apartheid is not allowed to exist. the world has spoken 🔨
You have not read his books. You stick to official hasbara
His lies incessently.
shut up “janet”
Pappe is the epitome of Shakespeare's "is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing" ( W. Shakespeare )