How to Respond to Jehovah's Witnesses Series - "They are just imperfect men"
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- Jehovah's Witnesses will use any excuse they can think of to pardon the actions of the Governing Body and elders. Yet at the same time, this is an excuse they would criticize someone else for using. Here are some tips to help you reply to this typical response.
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I cannot thank you enough for the efforts you have put forth into not attacking, but gently clarifying. You have a good heart. I am glad you are also no longer a part of this hurtful organization. I’ve needed so badly to hear these words from you, even though I have been “out” for ten years now.
Are you happy are you at Peace?
My response to the imperfect men is: So am I. So just like they can just make mistakes and excuse it away, I can too.
Yeah, we all can. But it depends on whether or not we previously condemn others for the same thing
I got the same stupid excuses about imperfect men and the light gets brighter when I spoke to the elders and they also tried to put it on me asking "are you perfect and always right"? To which I replied "no I'm not perfect and always right however I don't claim to get my information directly from Jehovah and Jesus and claim to be anointed to be heading his one true religion and sole channel of truth so your comparison is ridiculous" and their brains shut down sending them scrambling for another topic changing question and scripture.
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All different churches including exjws are Jesus's followers according to the Bible??????????
Excellent answer!
Yep. And they play scripture ping pong desperately trying to prove some cornball watchtower nonsense.
🤔 Good point. I'ĺ try the next time.😊
You are absolutely right! That’s exactly what they say and how it is! I told someone before , how can it be “spiritual food “ on Monday and by Friday it’s “apostate teaching”. What a bunch of BS! Love your channel!
More like "whistle blowers" exposing TTATT. 😘
Matt, you’ve outdone yourself on this one. Great job!!!
An excellent description of the way JWs view the governing body and its teachings. I believe that their teachings have the same effect on JWs as superstitions have on other people in that they don`t really believe in them but feel they have to follow them for fear of something bad happening. In my experience as an elder in the past there were many in the congregation that just went with the flow never really closely looking at what they were being told and certainly not doing any research. Their main motivation was fear of being destroyed at Armageddon or the more imminent threat of being shunned by all their "friends" and and any family that were JWs. Today they would be referred to as PIMOs and since the governing body has come out from behind the curtain the number of these have increased as they see what these men are really like. However the handcuffs of shunning prevents them from making the move out. However as the ramblings and demands of the governing body become more outrageous this could change.
100% true for 70% of Jehovah's Witnesses. 20% are those who need to be framed by a rigid structure to feel safe and the remaining 10% will be the most radicalized, they will follow the 8 Warwick gurus until hell (it's coming soon).
Great explanation. I was born in 1972 and quit in 1997. All the talk about the gibbering body is weird to me. When I was in the anonymous "Society" was the thing in charge. We kind of knew who Fred Franz was but that was it. My 78 year old mom has been JW for 60 years and she conducts Bible studies but she never ever lets her religious handicap prevent her from making good decisions. Hell, I've been disfellowshipped for over 20 years and she lets me stay with her sometimes and has never ever judged me. I would never tell her she's wrong or is doing the wrong thing. I remember having a chat with my dad, he was going to be a circuit overseer at age 26 when mom got pregnant with me. He said he actually regretted baptizing people. "There's nothing I can do about it now." I remember him baptizing a couple in a bathtub once in the 70s. This religion really screwed people up.
All different churches including exjws are Jesus's followers according to the Bible?????????
@@cygnustsp All different churches including exjws are Jesus's followers according to the Bible?????????
@@cygnustsp Attention Visu is a mentally unbalanced troll that circulates on all EXJW channels.
Wonderful inteligent content, delivered with so much dignity!
I was baptised at 10. Had a difficult upbringing. I was PIMO for several years and then inactive for the last 6 years thanks to realocation abroad(at 31).
Came across CSA only recently and still shocked me!
The more time passes, the more I understand the layers of indoctrination!
Cant help being a bit ashamed for staying so long, as highly educated person also! 🙈
Keep up the real good work!
Keep working on understanding what was done to your psyche as a kid. I'm still working on things that I learned when I was just a baby.
This is fantastic!!!! I love the channel! You are making this world a better place
When I was a child, my father was the guy that everyone in the bar feared and would beat up people for looking at him the wrong way due to his anger issues. When I reached my early teens, he suddenly converted to being a Jehovahs Witness and dragged us along. This led to him stopping coming home drunk and beating my mother and they appear happier. So although ive never been a beleiver, I always kinda defended the organisation and its people as i knew it done my parents good.
But when i expressed that i didnt want to carry on attending the Kingdom hall and go around the doors. Thiis was met by "Well lets all go back to how things were before then!", thus emotionally blackmailing me into carrying on going. In hindsight I can see that this was because my father was putting himself on a soapbox and being holier than though. So he didnt want his old friends who were saying he's never last at it knowing that his own son doesnt even beleive in it.
We were sent to school being told that we must tell everyone that we are proud JWs. This made my school years hell. It did however teach me to stand up for whgat i beleive. But i didnt beleive. So I had no convincing argument and i was forbidden to use violence, something i was forced to do previously. It was hell and although i didnt beleive in ressurection, I left school genuinely beleiving that it was pointless to pursue a career as we would be soon damned by nuclear apocalypse.
I was forced to leave home at 15 because the elders told my parents that i was a vassal of satan, only doing what im doing just to test THEM. I just wanted to live my own life in peace. But they were just constantly full of judgements.
For years, I heard them boast about how successful their marraige is and how so many others are doing it wrong. How the Nuclear family is so important.
A few years ago when i split with my childs mother, i near enough begged them to help me resolve things and get to see my daughter as i was in a frenzy at the time. Had they obliged, things would probably be so much betyter today. But they were more interested in telling the rest of the world how theyre doiung it wrong whilst standing on the street with their little cart.
Enough was enough. This organisation had already once drove a wedge beween my family and I and now they had done it with my child. Since then I have reflected a lot and realised that i could have really done better in life had it not been for their bulls@#t teaching of how pursuing a career was never gonna be worth it as "Armageddon" is just around the corner. This is fearmmongering child abuse and i really hate this organisation for that. Dont be a lawyer or scientist they said. Be a builder. yeah, so that they can get free labour iin building their churches. They should be banned.
Now that I came out as Transgender a year ago, they try to pretend im mad because if they accept im serioud then they have no option but to completely disown me because its the corner theyve boxed temselves into.
This organisation should be banned before it destroys any more lives. Although by me saying so, im sure their self important asses will tell themselves that its the devil who wants them banned just like they play the martyr with the holocaust. They werent persecuted because they werfe right. They were persecuted because nobody likes self righteous cunts.
As as faded witness My Son went through a transgender stage for six months. My Wife is a witness is a 100% never questions anything or doubts whatever it say must be true (sadly)
Because my Son is not a witness the is nothing they can do but some got in touch with the Bethel.
Which is concerning as they viewed that we were supporting him and it was suggested that we ask him to leave our home my Wife was in agreement.
Didn't happen never going to happen how can you ask a young person to leave home or even consider doing that.
ATM it's all gone quiet on that front the Elders are inhuman. Mind you it all depends on the Alpha male in the group what he decides goes and any other in the group of elders especially new ones who are not experienced are to frightened to say anything unless they are removed.
Sadly it's all about position and ego and love is just something that gets talked about on a Thursday and Sunday.
10 years out, and still have this filling that I want to 'help' others to wake up. Thanks for share this videos.
The 3 Elder's actually laughed at me during my judicial committee for me saying "I'm not perfect and trying my best here." For some reason they took offense to that and I still don't know why they reacted in such a way. I knew I was cooked right then and there at the start of it.😅 And you know what I was disfellowshipped for? Making out with a chick outside of the organization with my clothes on twice. I used the term grinding but felt nothing etc. And could of kept this all secret but came forward myself. Meanwhile they got those that go inactive then come back married to a "worldly person" with not even a slap on the wrist because they are family members of Elders. And my congregation had a father & son on the Elder body which should never be a thing either imo..
They will target you if you actually use bible principles instead of the precious man made rules they enforce on the sheep (Elder's Book etc). It's all about connections & keeping up appearances that matters most that's for sure.
Bro I had a similar story when I was disfellowshipped, your right it’s definitely all about who you know and it’s unfair how the elders handle matters it has nothing to do with god but all about that dam man made elders book.
@@Jeron_Benton YAHbsolutely🔥❤️🤔
My congregations PO gave me shit for having my arm around my fiance in the presence of her mother. I laughed at him. When I eventually got called before a judicial committee it was because I was seen shooting pool with a disfellowshipped friend. I read the scripture in Proverbs about a friend sticking closer than a brother and said are you guys my brothers in this situation then? I brought my friend to the meeting but they wouldn't let him in. The chairman was a friend of mine and he looked like he wanted to cry. I told him c'mon Danny, all you're doing is going to make life difficult for my wife. But he had a job to do. I told my mother in law I was getting df'd and said nothing would change for me. She cried and said "if I have to choose between you and JEHOVAH I have to choose JEHOVAH." When I used to tell these stories to regular people they were like WTF is wrong with these people??? In a perverse way I kind of miss the association, the feeling that you have the world by the balls, but by the time I quit (not for personal reasons, but because I'd actually researched watchtower claims) it made me do physically sick I couldn't go to meetings anyone. What a very strange existence JW is.
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All different churches including exjws are Jesus's followers according to the Bible????????
Fantastic video!!! Hope many more brothers and sisters open their eyes and realize how culty and fake is Watchtower!
Me and my husband have recently left. I’m so happy, and we are at peace. I really enjoy your videos! Could you do a video on the “letters” . The letters they do not allow us to read, and some examples of some you have read.
I do have it on the agenda to cover the secrecy and lack of transparency in the organization, which includes letters and the elder book. Not sure when I’ll get to it, but it is definitely on there.
My name is Raleigh Young. I grew up my entire life as a JW, there has been major conflict in my life. Can you please maybe find sometime to reach out to me? Of all the people I have watched and listened to, what you have to say &the way you present the information has truly resonated with me.
At the end of the video you can see his e mail address. You can reach out to him. I did too!
You can contact me at thefallingtower1914@gmail.com
@@TheFallingTower YAHsome! 🎶🕊️💙🕊️🎶
All different churches including exjws are Jesus's followers according to the Bible???????????
@@TheFallingTower All different churches including exjws are Jesus's followers according to the Bible??????????
I live in Greece. The JW CSA cases are not really known here, the material on line and the proof are in English and similar cases have not been known in Greece. My father as an elder has never encountered such cases, so the CSA and abuse argument in appointed elders is weak here, because to my father all these are lies of apostates. Amazing video once again, great tools but sometimes its overwhelming to respond to this circular logic they have
I understand my dad is also an elder since i was bron in Cyprus, same mentality. However, I bring it up in another way. For the organization to say that soeone needs 2 witnesses based on some ancient ritualfrom thousands of years ago.... and i let him open up on his own, Before you know it, we dont want to bring repraoch on Jehovahs name, line. Where, I, in turn, say, 'so your ot denying it then?' or 'So Jehovah needs protection? And mthen i explained, there is a thing now called... 'Foresnsic Evidence' we dont need any witnessses. 'I thought Jehovah would be proud to throw out such disgusting people within his organisation. Strange that.'
The indoctrination is so complex and programmed in them, they are afraid to think for themselves.
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@@esthercharalambous2865 they will disfellowship them sometimes. Only to go out in the world to harm other children. The society does not care about worldly children. I
Give it time!
Honestly I think these cases are more prevalent in USA, UK and Canada
Thank you. Many good points and logical reasoning. Very sad that psychological weaponry is not in the criminal code so the watchtower can continue psychologically manipulating, gas lighting and otherwise contrive the rules as they go to the extent that the reprisals of leaving are too unbearable that they essentially legalize corporations' legal murder/genocide.
I always love the information you provide. I wish I could share it with my PIMI family. Unfortunately, I am disassociated and it is rare that they talk to me at all. Thank you though for continuing to share the real truth about the Organization.
Thank you sooo much. I spent the last weekend 16, 17-04-23( the convention weekend) on youtube watching your videos oh and Loyds, in aww. WOW.
Thank you for the insight.
Thank you again. They ALMOST got me. BUT didnt. I am greatful.
Magnificent 😊. Thanks for your thoughts. ❤ They are reality 😢.
Thank you for the excellent and simple to understand explanation. Your work is much appreciated!
Great video. Heard those expressions so often, hopefully I can use some of your points next time.
Best response video yet. Great video.
I love the concise talk proving the large number of fallacies without being too sarcastic, and gosh, I know that there is plenty of material to do it
Thank you, thank you, thank you for your excellent work!
Hi Matt! Watched all your videos but never subscribed! Just did! Was nice to see you on the group discussion today! So cool to see some of you (CZcamsrs) live! Please keep up the good work!
Love your Channel thank you for what you are doing...
Thank you for this well reasoned video
What a great and informative video. Thank u
Wow - amazing content. Thank you.
I grew up in constant fear, seemingly living in a safe organization. It has caused addictions with myself, as well my siblings, along with so much more.....I appreciate your channel....
Me too! Faded after 40+ years. My alcohol use has dropped dramatically. I used to need it just to go to the meetings. Now I enjoy it when I like. I still have significant anxiety but I’m working on it.
Excellent content! thank you for sharing!
Wow, absolutely fantastic. I don’t think I’d ever heard that quote from Sam Herd!
Concise, Right, Full of might, but not full of spite. Greatly articulated and presented. Thank you, sir.
To err is human, but the Watchtower is itself an error and the "elastic" generation exemplifies this.
Yep. Faultless reasoning, as ever. Thanks for this excellent series; exposing all the flawed arguments of the GBH, which will just be parroted by ordinary JWs. It never occurs to them to really think about what they are saying - and challenge everything they are told. If only more of them would watch these videos...
I tried to get my mom to watch his other video “Why I left Jehovah Witnesses” and she responded exactly in the way a JW would when it comes to “apostates”. She wouldn’t give the video 2secs. of her time. She automatically shut this down because “he left Jehovah”, therefore he’s against Jehovah….her words.
@@TCapo1185 Yep. I tried showing a video to an old JW friend. Same thing. She just wouldn't look at it. They are petrified of apostates. Sad.
Great job thanks so much for your help.
Excellent breakdown, very clear.
Thank you.
All different churches including exjws are Jesus's followers according to the Bible???????????
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If you are concerned about what is biblical, steer clear of Watchtower.
None of the teachings of Watchtower can be found in scripture.
@@mattmurdock2868 So all different churches including exjws are Jesus's followers according to the Bible???????
The way and pace you bring this to light looks like a disclosure
Thank you. You have such a Sunday talk vibe😂
Excellent video, thank you! I was stunned by Sam Heard's brazen claim that he was speaking for God. But I guess the GB can feel safe in the knowledge that they can say anything they want, and the faithful rank and file will just nod along and never stop to think for themselves.
It can only go so far with that then it will fall it won't stand
Thank you for this
superb thank you!
Thank you very much for your excellent presentation. Simple and understandable, although my English is not good and I run through the translation program. Greetings from Germany
I’m currently in the fading out process. Thank you for all the life and sanity saving info. Have you considered making a video detailing the Australian Royal Committee questioning of GB with highlights and main takeaway points. Just an idea. Again, thank you from the top and bottom of my heart.
Thanks for the excellent research and content. Your explanations are so clear. It really helps to put to put to rest many of the concerns I had over the years. Faded after 40+ years but still working through the junk. You have been so helpful - Thanks again! PS - have you thought about doing radio or voice overs? Your voice and diction are excellent!
Glad it helps! And I don’t think anyone has ever offered me that type of job 😆
@@TheFallingTowerany thoughts about the government body supporting the Jab?
Gratidão 🙏🙏🙏 Excelente trabalho 😍 👏👏👏
I wish I was a good debater. I’d love to be able to do this. Great video!
You are! 🔥from your own precious ❤️
Pues se aprende poco a poc, juntando los argumentos como este. aludos desde Honduras🏁.
You made a good point concerning the fact that while it is acknowledged by JWs that the Bible, inspired by Jehovah, though written by imperfect men, is still regarded as completely free from error. That had never occurred to me.
You really helped when i was coming out, and you inspired me to make my own CZcams channel, my first JW video is over an hour long!
Excellent, thank you
You have a beautiful mind ! I love how you can put all this into words, something I struggle with when I try talk to very brain washed husband 🙈
Yes! This helps! I love all your videos but this is so spot on! I've always hated this excuse that they are just imperfect men. Why would Jesus appoint elders that are child molesters and then leave them in that position for years and years? This religion made us all crazy, thanks for giving us our sanity back! If you have not seen it watch JW Struggle video, "Blinded by New Light" music video. It came out years ago when the overlapping generations new light was presented. Imperfect men and new light, what a joke.
Good video! Thank you!
After binchwatching for 2 days multiples ex jw CZcams channels besides getting eye-opening insights, i am also always amazed at how so many of those presenters keep that jw tone of voice when presenting. i do it too, at work presentions. Not that it is a bad thing it is just stunning to me, to see that this tone of voice, pitch or what ever you call it, is so ingrained in us. all 3 languages i have watching these videos in have it in common. The 'teaching' really goes deeper then just logic.
such a helpful video, thank you so much🙏 and please, make one about Jehovah always having his organization on the earth, please help us with the answer on this one
Jehovah's organisation always has been His servant.
In the OT it was Israel
It's "Governing Body"
in Jerusalem,
It turned apostate from the
Top down, from shepherd to sheep.
Jehovah asked: "Who is blind except my servant ?
Isaiah 42:19
I left the JW in 1979 and I still suffer from the effects of being misled and I have a hard time trusting any man when it comes to religion, I left because I read my bible and found out about the wonderful realization that Jesus is very important ...He was not an Angel( Michael the arc Angel ) he was so much more and I always loved him and saw him as the salvation needed for Man, the JW discarded his role as the very important God head for us all. Now I love Jehovah, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit and worship them as one. I loved many who were JWs and I pray they discover the Truth, My husband loved me and tried to listen to me about the witness but it just not ever stick with him, we have been married for 52 years still in love as defined by Jesus Thur his Father and I am thankful he did not listen to me as I was a zealot for JWs, we both however are still looking for a church family. I call myself a ragamuffin but I would love to know where the true church is 😢 😢😢
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This is too much information for me to remember for my arguments im actively avoiding but is great info if I change me mind
Seeds😊
Hi and thank you for this video ( and all the ones before, as well ! ). You are doing a wonderfull job debunking, explaining Watchtower and showing clear exemples of their unbelievable foolishness. I used to be an non-baptised publisher for years, but last year, I started to examine the organization's history more closely, and after what I have discovered that horrified me, I left the JW's. I still believe in God and the Bible, but I must struggle hard to get rid of some of their teachings that have been prooved wrong, but have been seeded so deeply for a long time into my mind, that it makes it difficult to do so.
I was wondering if you did ( or will do ) a video that covers the Watchtower's 10 years association with the UN as an NGO and all that it involved ? I don't remember if you talked about it in a previous video. Since going to bed with Satan's political savage beast of the Bible is not a cheap issue on the WT, there is plenty of things we need to be explained about it. Your videos are really helpfull. Thank you again.
At some point I will do one on the UN as well 👍
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Most JW’s don’t realize that the name Jehovah or the Tetragrammaton is nowhere to be found in the Greek/Aramaic Scriptures. It was only inserted into the “New Testament” by JW’s to further their false beliefs and teachings. What’s the chance of making a video about this apostate organizational teaching? Thanks
I probably won’t do a full video on that specific topic, but I will touch on it briefly in the next one to be released.
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Thank you very much for considering this topic that I recommended. I’m definitely looking forward to hearing it.
Muy buen video , very good video ..
Thank You.
Nice to come across you. You might like to know I have my time in Jan 5 1974. Late 80's I had something happen and still can not get anyone to talk to me. When I disclose what happened. Left my home and never to hear from the elders again. I am no were today to get anyone to talk to me and not alone for I have Jehovah. I am one of Jehovah's Witness this can not be taken away. have not been in KH ...late 80's ....Something bad is going on in the KH.....PS: JW's do not like to talk about DEAMONS. thank you
Too bad they don't apply the same standards to other Religions, especially Catholic Priests. I remember Catholic Priests were labelled as "evil deceivers" and "predators", and JWs were all jumping up and down for joy when some Catholic Priests were exposed as Pedophiles, as if they were ALL Pedophiles! What happened to being "imperfect men" then?
Thank you for your videos - they are enlightening. I wonder if JWs would say the same of the Pharisees when they sent Jesus Christ to death, "Oh, they were just imperfect men."
TRUTH BE TOLD!!!!
Yeah new light is not because we are in the field it's only because Jehovah changed his mind😅😅😅😅 love your channel from Quebec!
He's exercising patience lol
Thanks, I missed your logical arguments.
in order to reach more people I suggest you to active the subtitle because your video can be wachted all over don't forget
I would like to finally find peace of mind to know that I just did not know how to just say I had enough as a JW and move on it has been so tough
You may consider no longer dwelling on where your from and turn your focuses on new direction. Your testimony is on record. Bring your gifts to fully glorify God now! Become the light, that is the way of the Lord. Wipe your feet and move on, but always offer wisdom from your experiences to anyone that ask's. A brother in Christ, Kman.
Heard it all over my 40yrs. Oh its new light... too bad people die along the way.
Sadly my cognitive dissonance moved me to use that lame excuse.
I was raised a JW, knocked on doors gave a speech at 13. Went to all the circuit and district assembly's. My favorite things of the assembly were the Dramas and the bags of fruit. 🍑
Lots of comradery because...well, we couldn't associate with anyone else.
Here's part of my testimony and I pray it helps someone.
In my late teens I left the JW's and went wild in the world. That wasn't my plan but after my first number of grand mistakes I just blocked out God. I never quit believing but just couldn't face God.
In my 30's I met my wife and we started going to her Baptist church. I went to the altar and was baptized.
I felt good about confessing that I was a sinner in need of a saviour but that wore off and I was back in my sins. Still going to church I decided to go upfront again and confess I had backslid. I got baptized again.
Well...once again those same sins plagued me again. I knew I needed forgiveness but still wanted those things of the world.
Long story short, at 55yrs old I was just sick of myself. I decided to fast and truly seek God. On the third day I got on my knees alone. I had (during) the fast ...forgiven anyone I had something against. I asked some people for forgiveness and confessed (Every) sin I could remember to God. Even every hidden evil or blasphemous thought. I met Jesus on my front porch. I felt and saw brightness while bawling. I then felt the weight of sin come off me.
Some amazing things happened after that but that's not why I'm leaving this testimony.
Jesus can forgive you anywhere! anytime!
The Holy Spirit can fill you and teach you without someone from a certain denomination.
I'm going through my own search for a group of believers in my area. I do believe in gathering together though I won't settle with a church that denies the gifts of the spirit or teaches a different doctrine than what I can read for myself.
PS;
The blasphemous thoughts I confessed we're thoughts that plagued me when I tried to pray or when in church.
It was terrible. I would be in the middle of listening to the pastor or singing a song and an evil/blasphemous thoughts would just pop up in my mind. It tormented me that I must be the most wicked person...
Turns out that after another fast Jesus delivered me from an unclean spirit.
I used to bite my nails til they bled. I did that all my life.
After my deliverance, I have peace. My nails are now normal, my prayers are not hindered.
Get right with God now. He will meet you where you are.
How can the leaders keep using the "new light" when they also believe Jehovah God never changes His mind and never lies?
Do you still plan to upload more videos? This is my wife’s account (we share one account). I try to witness to JWs when I see them and the information I’ve heard from just two videos has been incredible. Thank you for these videos would love to see more
Yes I will be uploading more videos soon. I’ve had to take about half a year off to focus on some other more pressing needs. Should be back to it within the next month or two.
Okay great! Thank you for the quick reply.
For people who like to give nutritional advice, they are very good at providing not so good food
"Even if it's not the truth, it's still the best way to live". Ever heard that? 😆
I am an exjw. In my former congregation there was an elder who was removed after he got caught, but he had a porn addiction before and during his serving. Another brother was removed for an accusation of "inappropriate behavior" with a young girl BUT was still treated as an elder and consulted with as if he still was an elder.
just a question do the elders know how much you contribute financially ?
Not generally, at least not at the time I left. It was all anonymous to the elder body and the accounts servant.
I'm not legal council or an attorney but can anyone please explain Genesis 39? Also please explain Leviticus 19:16. Why did God put this in the Bible and how do all of you reconcile this with your thoughts? And how dose this apply in modern times today?
This bright light on the faithful and understanding slave only made it into the footnote as a short spotlight 💡 ⚫:
Watchtower 1984/10/1 Page 24 Footnote:
# Regarding his [Rutherford] misguided statements as to what we could expect in 1925, he once confessed to us at Bethel, “I made an ass of myself.”
I'm PIMO and wonder what religion/ where to worship once out? I'm enjoying learning about the bible but have never really trusted the Org. When I saw three more white men had been appointed I knew I was done!
They’re not just imperfect men ! They put subliminal messages/images in their watchtower magazines. AMEN !
You are so right ! But the organization still denies that there are subliminal images in their publications. The last time I showed a certain picture to an elder, in which, the demonic face was so obvious to see, he looked at me in a strange manner, and thought i was mentally ill.
Hello, I'm still in the organization and I have so many questions too but the problem is my family are Jehovah's Witnesses too and I don't know what to say. I'm a teenager from the Philippines. I started researching too and asked but my Bible teacher said that I should stay away from it and find the original information. I want to know the truth badly. Can anyone help me? Also, I don't know what to search...
I'm sorry if my grammar is wrong.
Send me an email at thefallingtower1914@gmail.com. I may have someone I know from the Philippines that can assist you in your language if you would prefer that.
Their mperfection costs lives.
Listen, obey, and be brainwashed...
Listen, obey and donate.
so what do you suggest to people that genuinely believe in their bible, im studying it and it relates and makes more sense than the Catholics or other Christian faiths teach - things like xmas and Easter etc its all consumerism and ideology which has shown on a phycological level to be bad to humans - before I even started studying I didn't do xmas - it just feels wrong on so many levels and in tems of Jesus the dates didnt add up....
the "JW Broadcasting May 2015" disappeared from the official website. Why? Answer: "Desaparecen BROADCASTINGS De los Testigos de Jehová - ENTERATE POR QUE"
I used to think the “beliefs clarified”was evidence of the light getting brighter now I see it as an excellent example of double speak and propaganda. Belief’s flip flopped belief’s used to manipulate the cult rank and file in a certain direction would be more accurate…
My JW girl friend knows i am a good person who loves Jesus and God . I know i have planted a seed in her and she is questioning if she has been brain washed
Have you stopped posting???
Had to take some time of to take care of other matters. I’ll be starting again shortly
Pontosan ezeken akadtam ki én is! Hogy mi van azokkal az emberekkel, akik egy tanítás miatt hátrányos helyzetbe kerültek, míg idővel megváltoztak a szabályok, de azok az emberek éveken át el kellett viseljék a nehézségeket! És így van, senki sem kért tőlük bocsánatot!
If Yeshua kept the law and he was perfect, then why don’t “Christians’ Keep it?
Why did the apostles gather for “Old Testament” Feasts such as Pentecost and other Feasts After the Resurrection?
If the church is not Y’Israel then why do they claim all of her blessings and promises from the “Old Testament??
How could something come to an end if it is Everlasting?
How could the definition of sin change
If the law had already been fulfilled by Yeshua dying on the cross then why did Paul say he HAD TO get to Jerusalem to celebrate Passover and observe the Feast days
If Yeshua “Broke” the sabbath then how can he be the sinless sacrifice for us??
Why did Peter STILL refuse to eat anything unclean even though Yeshua said “All foods are clean”??
The Sabbath is observed from Genesis to Revelation. The Apostles nor anyone in all of scripture did away with the 7th day Sabbath.
Yeshua said “the Sabbath was made for Man” (not only Jews) in Mark 2:27.
It is recorded in the book of Acts they kept the Sabbath 85 times! Why keep the Sabbath?
It points us back to the Creator: Genesis 1-3
God/Yahweh created the Seventh day as the day of Rest: Genesis 2:2-3
It's the Fourth Commandment: Exodus 16 & 20
Yahweh wrote it with His own finger in stone: Exodus 16 & 20
It's a symbol of our salvation: Exodus 31:17
We are to remember that Yahweh delivered us from sin: Deuteronomy 5:15
It remains today: Hebrews 4:9
Jesus/Yeshua is Lord of the Sabbath: Matthew 12:8
The Apostles kept the Sabbath -- Recorded 85 times in Acts
It's Yahweh's seal of authority: Exodus 31:17
It's a blessing: Revelation 22:14
It will be kept forever: Isaiah 65:17; 21-22; 66:22-23
It is an everlasting covenant: Exodus 31:16
We are deceived so as to completely misunderstand why God/Yahweh gave His Torah!
His laws and commands that depict His nature and He wants us to be like Him. Yahweh is love.
"And the LORD commanded us to do all these statutes, to fear the LORD our God/Elohim, for our good always, that He might preserve us alive, as we are this day. And it will be righteousness for us, if we are careful to do all this commandment before the LORD our God/Elohim, as he has commanded us" (Deuteronomy 6:24-25).
The Sabbath was established at the beginning of creation when God/Yahweh rested on the Seventh day and Blessed (Kadosh) it. He then gave us the day as a sign and a day to rest,as the 4th commandment. “Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord/Adonai who sanctifies you. You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you" (Exodus 31:13-17).
Yeshua said, “Therefore, the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath” (Mark 2:28). Being "Lord of the Sabbath", is NOT changing it to another day or abolishing the day.
It means the day belongs to Him. It's the day that is blessed and set apart to rest and worship.
We are saved by grace, to walk in righteousness, Not to disregard the commandments; “For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God/Yahweh in Him” (2 Corinthians 5:21).
"Little children, LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU: he that DOES righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that commits sin (TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW/Torah) is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of Elohim was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of Elohim does not practise sin; for his seed remains in Him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of Elohim. In this the children of Elohim are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of Elohim, neither he that loves not his brother" (1 John 3:7-10).
"But be DOERS of the Word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: For he sees himself, and goes his way, and straightway forgets what manner of man he was. But whoso looks into the PERFECT LAW OF LIBERTY, and continues therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a DOER OF THE WORK, this man shall be blessed in his deed" (James 1:22-25).
Heaven and the earth are still here...
Yeshua did not change the importance of keeping all of the Commandments. The two Commandments of Yeshua, loving God/Yahweh and loving your neighbor, are a summation of the Law and Torah Not an instruction to disregard the rest of the law. As a Matter of fact, Yeshua says, “On these two Commandments hang/ depend all the Law and the Prophets/Torah” (Matthew 22:40).
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them, ****but to fulfill them*** For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 5:18).
“Do we then make void the law through faith? God/Yahweh forbid: yea, we establish the Law" (Romans 3:31) .
"He who possesses My Commands and keeps them, is he who loves Me" (John 14:21).
"His commandments are not grievous/burdensome" (1 John 5:3).
“By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God/Yahweh has truly been perfected.” (I John 2:3-5) “Everyone who practices sin practices lawlessness as well. Indeed, sin is lawlessness” (1 John 3:4).
“If you love Me, you will keep My Commandments (John 14:15).
“But prove yourselves doers of the Word/Torah, and not merely hearers who delude themselves” (James 1:22).
“That you keep the Commandment without stain or reproach until the appearing of our Lord Yeshua HaMashiach” (1 Timothy 6:13).
“Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the Commandments of God/Yahweh, and the faith of Yeshua.” (Revelation 14:12).
“Blessed are they that DO His Commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city” (Revelation 22:14).
Do you follow Jesus now or have no faith anymore? It must be difficult to rebuild. I've had a few conversations JW's over the years and as soon as I start talking about the bible they get nervous, I think they prefer non-faith people who have no knowledge of Christian teaching.
Appreciate your work and your logical arguments but when you're dealing with a cult mentality Very difficult. It takes thousands of hours of witnessing to get 1 person into the orgalization. Likewise, endless hours to try to get someone out. I would like to see the majority of effort spent on
getting rid of they're tax exemption status, as well as their even being able to be called a religion. All religions are man-made some benefit people majority waste people's lives as they Just benefit themselves financially. At some point, you'd better off moving on with life. In a way, all the time that you spend trying to Bring them down ends up just wasting more of your life. So in a way they still control you.
All cult leaders claims that God reveals his message only to them. Jesus tells us to test them as they are so many false prophets in the world. What the GB have done is they elevate their opinions to divine status to control their members. All cult leaders does that.
my friend says...Its a vertical relationship...Father,Jesus,us...Yes...Revelations 18:4 is real...
You can challenge any witness to show you an account in the bible where God, Jesus or the holy spirit directly or indirectly spoke to his servant and then that servant had to change the message down the road due to better understanding. Spoiler alert....there is non! Anytime he spoke the word the word came to pass and was never misunderstood. To say that they are in an perfect organization ran by imperfect men is a cop out. Either it's ran by holy spirit or it's not. Either it is the truth or it is not. If you call yourself spokespersons of God then I'm going to put on the same level as the Bible writers.
The always protect the organization, the governing body, the faithful and discreet slave. Not following what Jehovah and Jesus Christ say.
Colossians 2:8.
5:25 yes that can Because unlike other religions they don’t vote they don’t involve themselves with war. And follow Jesus Christ teachings to the letter. Love each other so much they’re willing to give up their lives for each other. I am willing to forget anything about this organization because of the reason that I know they’re trying. Let me ask you something what are you trying to do here tell the truth OK what truth?
Hi.. Lying in God's name is a big issue...Acts 1:6-8..Matthew 24:36..Faithful slave doctrine...Jesus chooses when he comes..Many invited few chosen..
Resurrection...1 Corinthians 15 ....and on and on... Teachings of demons... Bible says to test inspired expressions..
1 John 4:1...Acts 17:11...
Thank you for your work...
Believe Father and Jesus ...not doctrines of men..Psalms 146..Micah 7