How to Respond to Jehovah's Witnesses Series - "We aren't a cult!"
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- It can be quite a punch in the gut to realize you may be in a cult. This addresses how you can point out the problems with cults and the practices of Jehovah's Witnesses rather than trying to scare them with the "C" word.
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Nobody in a cult realises it's a cult. That's the point.
If someone is not sure that it’s a cult. He/she can watch Anthony Morris spent $1000 at Liquor store. czcams.com/video/C0eLCjCAB4s/video.html
I’m a jw and openly say it’s a cult
I was a JW for more than 20 years and when I was inside never thought I was indoctrinated in a cult...I realized that when I left . Is like my eyes opened for the first time!
Great video!!👏👏👏👏
All different churches including exjws are Jesus's followers according to the Bible????????
Loving this series, thanks! Just a thought, you said one of their responses to not being a cult is that cult "members can be driven to do something terrible". To counter this, maybe point to the fairly recent comment by (I think) Tony Morris of the GB, that the members may be asked to do something that "doesn't seem logical" but they must obey! or words similar to that. This of course puts them straight in the same category as a cult.
All different churches including exjws are Jesus's followers according to the Bible????????
Thank you for the time dedicated to EXJW activism.
All different churches including exjws are Jesus's followers according to the Bible?????????
Thank you for being short winded and kind and getting straight to the point, quickly ;)
YES !!! ... planting that Seed of Doubt hopefully it takes root and the rest is history !!!...I hope to see the Demise of the WT ORG Go down in my lifetime !!! 👍😊👍
Thanks for your video. Hopefully this video can help people who are studying or being in JW wake up from the danger organization.
We woke up our tenant, a single mom with 2 kids, she's been on and off studying for a few years and was feeling guilty for not meeting but now she is forever grateful that we told her the truth about "the truth". big win, saved 3 lives!!
Thanks! Another eye opening video.
All of what you have mentioned hits home to me.
This is exactly what the organization does to
Keep you in their grip. I also heard that they want
You to have "Go Bags" ready! Ready for what?
Don't ask questions ? Sounds like a Cult to me.
But you're right the cult word best not to be
Used with them. It's sad though, the JW's are
nice people but they have to be submissive to
the organization otherwise they're out.
Your work is appreciated.
out.
To be fair the “go bags” are mainly for natural disasters, not necessarily Armageddon related. Some have taken that to mean they are for persecution and to leave at any moment to go where the GB says. So far I’ve never seen evidence of it. All official direction is regarding natural disasters. Though I’m sure some JWs consider it to be mainly for persecution and to blindly follow directions. Thanks!
Hahahhaa.BITE control.Yeah it's true GB uses it. Thanks bro. I was one of them for 37 yrs. But now I'm free since July of 2021 by giving the elders a letter of DA. Thanks to all YT activists . Shout out to Mark Martin, his video that wakes me up " Jehovah's witnesses and the Watchtower Divine Education or Propaganda" .
👋🏼 congrats on escaping the WitchTower!! And welcome to the long Saturday lie-ins, Sunday’s at the beach, and never being a good for nothing slave ever again!!🕊💜 God bless 🙏🏻 x
Glad to hear you have left. Did you lose any family members in the process?
The important thing is to keep your faith in God and His word.
Mark Martin is pretty good, however he has some wrong ideas as well. So I just suggest you don't blindly accept all that he says. Think critically and do your own Bible study and verify his teachings. God Bless
@@Des7iny7 yeah. The pressures were gone.. Hahahaha 😅 WITCHtower Lol
@@davidmcbrine4527 Yes .I'm still a believer of God and Jesus and His word the bible. Yes my sister in flesh and my niece ,and my friends in the congregation unfriended me. Blocked me on messenger to avoid me from conversation. I'm watching Mark Martin , and J.T, and Beroean Pickets , of course. Sometimes Llyod Evans , and Jw Thoughts, jw escape , and Also "watchtower examination channel.Winston Gulling . His 12 line of reasonings that the Jws is of satan.. That wowed me
You were born for this. Thank you and God bless.
Maybe replacing "cult" with "high control group" would be a good start...
Excellent explanation!
Fantastic vid, man! I’m going to take this with me!
I wish I'd found your channel years ago. A lot of jws still have my number and I've shared your videos to my WhatsApp status. ❤
Thank you Brother for your video stand for the truth and helping us.
Excellent video, thanks!
High control group is a term used but that is the same as a cult.
Here’s what I would reply to a brainwashed JW: Well, if you were to ask a member of the Heavens Gate cult if they considered themselves to be in a cult, would they answer “Yes, I am in a cult.”? So no matter what cult member you ask, he/she will not consider himself/herself to be in a cult and strongly deny any such accusations.
Ironically, certain heavens gate members did know they were in a cult and didn’t care. I recall seeing a documentary about them where they said it openly. I’ve had a JW also jump to that same conclusion at the end by essentially stating “well if it’s a cult then so what. It’s still the best life and the one that leads to everlasting life”. 🤦♂️
Pointing out traits noticed by those who study cults sounds reasonable enough. They may even politely go along with the reasoning. But in the back of their mind is something which has been instilled over and over. It is that those who study cults etc will be seen as part of Satan's world, deceived people. So I still think it will be hard going. Hope I'm wrong.
This is absolutely the case in my experience. It typically isn’t going to change their mind in any way. I’ve had people jump to “well if it’s a cult then I’m happy to be in one”. JWs generally care more about their emotional attachment to the religion along with the social benefits they think they get from it. Add to it the fact that it is generally uncomfortable to face the thought of changing such deeply held beliefs anyway. Not to mention the dire consequences of what happens if you do question it and come to the “wrong conclusion”. For most people I know, it took a multitude of problems with the religion and taking a step back to see the big picture of what it really is in order to get them to the point of waking up.
All different churches including exjws are Jesus's followers according to the Bible???????
@@TheFallingTower All different churches including exjws are Jesus's followers according to the Bible????????
BIT sums up everything they are,well done my friend&thanks
Brilliant break down
anytime you give unquestioned authority to any imperfect human or humans you are in a cult
Don't waste your time in conversation trying to change their thinking. You won't! They have to see things for themselves. It is a process that happens on the inside, and from their experiences. I woke up on my own, no one had to tell me.
Thank you.
It's also a very abrasive word, and can put them on defensive. The point isn't to belittle them, it's to put doubt it them. Sort of like the movie Inception. They discount anything that's critical as a sign that they're right.
A cult is simply an insult for a group of people you dislike. It means nothing.
There is a JW church near my house. I really want to stand outside with a sign saying “you are in a cult, please come to Jesus!” Will I do it? No, it would not help. Thanks for your videos.
Yeah, but "Yes you are" has such a nice ring to it...
Thank you- Have you done a video on how terms are different for JW's than most other peoples language? I would like to come up with words to counteract those. Because if I say trinity, a JW hears/sees a certain thing. Would changing the word I use help them to be able to hear me without immediately misunderstanding or tuning me out? Sincerely, Rebecca
I would try to find some Watchtower publications that made specific apocalyptic predictions that turned out to be wrong. I would invite Witnesses to read them.
They are a cult... so I'm quite torn with this logical approach. 😂
My moms answer to this when approached about the religion being a cult was always to say “cults follow a MAN but religion follows GOD” (in this instance sometimes she’d say “entity” or something else “spiritual” to imply that this may distinguish cults from religions generally, for her and not just JW and actual cults) How would you respond to this I never know what to use to dispel that?
So if they follow god, does that mean that there is no mediator between them and god? Their answer will be that they don’t have a leader and that the GB are just fellow workers with them. It is a dishonest answer similar to them saying that they don’t have leaders. They do have leaders, hence the reason why they talk about obeying those “taking the lead”. They have even printed hierarchical charts in the magazine showing the GB as leaders. It is actually printed the that anointed ones, AKA the faithful slave, are the mediators for those of the other sheep. Jesus is only the mediator for them. What happens then the faithful slave changes a doctrine? You just follow it or else lose everything. Obeying the doctrines of men should not result in excommunication, particularly imperfect men who change their doctrine constantly under the guise of being lead by Holy Spirit. It’s all word games with JWs. I’ll do a much more in depth video soon showing examples of each point on how they fit the definition of a cult. These are just basic quick fire videos to help give something to say at the moment. Edit to add: and this highlights why I advise against using the word cult and instead focusing on the aspects of cults getting the to agree that each individual marker is dangerous. The cult word is just too traumatic for them and causes a knee jerk defense they have been trained to put up.
@@TheFallingTower you are so right, the word cult immediately puts them on the defense. It’s hard to be diplomatic when it’s so obvious that it is one. I like the idea of using the “mediator” aspect as part of that reasoning tho, I hadn’t considered that! Thank you! Btw I appreciate your channel so much, your approach to reasoning is very conscientious and eloquently expressed.
We're not offended by being called a cult. You can explain to us why you think so and then we can continue the conversation IF YOU WANT. We don't come to defend accusations of being a cult we come to share Bible truth. If you are interested in that we can talk, if not tell us you're not interested and we'll move on.
Omg they do fit this BITE criteria to a tea
It would have been nice to give a sample conversation of how using the BITE model can go.
If I were a witness, I’d be questioning why you use these specific criteria to decide what’s a cult. Witnesses have different methods to decide what a cult is. What makes your definition objectively better than theirs? They will automatically trust their own subjective definition more than your subjective definition.
Hence the reason I don’t use the word cult and instead talk about dangerous practices and tactics that another religion might use. Would they agree that the Mormons should not look at any outsider information about their beliefs? Do they agree that a preacher is correct in telling his parishioners to not talk to JWs at the door? Do they think it is right for someone’s family to shun them for becoming a JW? Not likely as the publications highlight that those tactics are bad ideas. They just apply it to others and not themselves.
God doesn’t play favourites. He loves me regardless. He knows my heart. I trust Jesus’s words and not interpretations that came out less than 2000 years later. John 3:3. John 3:16. & John 11:25-26.
Matthew ,21:43 /23:37-39 /Lament,2:6, After Jesus confirm the rejection of Israel As the God s chosen people, He stablished the JW's as the new Israel of God, which can fulfill the will of Jehovah on earth,That his name must be written in his house,, 1st,Kings 8:13-20 /2nd,Samuel, 7:13 / 2nd,Cron,6:9/8:12-20,Exodo,9:16/Rom,9:17.
Do they prefer .... You're Not a Religion ???👍
you have your own cult all the best no diff!! what is a cult look it up! and that is what your trying to do yourself Falling Tower! you want to be heard and that is how you create it!
This doesn’t make much sense ?
@@slackstax2854 its over your head!
How about; "responding to ANY religion that claims they are NOT a cult"? The History of 'christendom' shows that all the mainstream churches which developed centuries AFTER Jesus life on earth were warned about as 'cults' by The Apostle Paul at 1 Cor 1:10-13. Paul even warned againt following him & 'Peter'! Yet the Catholic church is claimed to be founded ON Peter. Check the definition of a cult. Its following a MAN! Then the church of England? Founded by a MAN! Henry the 8th! All CULTS!
I hope you are going to college to become professor or have some type of good career.
Oh you again you left cause didn’t believe what they taught. You say d you didn’t want to insult them they why are you back on
The word "Cult" seems to be synonymous/interchangeable with the word "sect". *In the bible the Apostle Paul was accused of belonging to a Cult/Sect - That was Christianity!* The Jewish religious leaders did not accept Gods New arrangement through Jesus. Who though would now say that Christianity in general is a Cult/sect from Judaism?
Acts 24:2-5,12-14 New International Version
2When Paul was called in, Tertullus presented his case before Felix: “We have enjoyed a long period of peace under you, and your foresight has brought about reforms in this nation. 3Everywhere and in every way, most excellent Felix, we acknowledge this with profound gratitude. 4But in order not to weary you further, I would request that you be kind enough to hear us briefly.
5“We have found this man to be a troublemaker, *stirring up riots among the Jews all over the world. He is a ringleader of the Nazarene sect*
12My accusers did not find me arguing with anyone at the temple, or stirring up a crowd in the synagogues or anywhere else in the city. 13And they cannot prove to you the charges they are now making against me.
14However, I admit that I worship the God of our ancestors as a follower of the Way, *which they call a sect.* I believe everything that is in accordance with the Law and that is written in the Prophets,
Acts 24:5,14 New Living Translation
5We have found this man to be a troublemaker who is constantly stirring up riots among the Jews all over the world. *He is a ringleader of the cult known as the Nazarenes.*
*14“But I admit that I follow the Way, which they call a cult.* I worship the God of our ancestors, and I firmly believe the Jewish law and everything written in the prophets
The Apostle Paul was just following the way that God wanted. He proved that scripturally Jesus was the end of the Mosaic law and therefore Judaism. Judaism relied on a religious system centred around the temple and animal sacrifices. The temple represented where God was (Heaven) and the sacrifices represented a payment that covered over all sin/error (Jesus). Jesus died and went in before God himself and made the payment (giving up a perfect human life). The scales of justice were now balanced. A perfect man (Adam) had brought sin and death upon all his children, another perfect man (Jesus) voluntarily gave up his life to save all of those children.
1 Corinthians 15:21,22 New International Version
*21For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man.* 22For as *in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.*
John 10:17,18 New Living Translation
*17“The Father loves me because I sacrifice my life so I may take it back again. 18No one can take my life from me. I sacrifice it voluntarily.* For I have the authority to lay it down when I want to and also to take it up again. For this is what my Father has commanded.”
Hebrews 9:New Living Translation
11So Christ has now become the High Priest over all the good things that have come.e *He has entered that greater, more perfect Tabernacle in heaven,* which was not made by human hands and is not part of this created world. *12With his own blood-not the blood of goats and calves-he entered the Most Holy Place once for all time and secured our redemption forever.*
*13Under the old system, the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer could cleanse people’s bodies from ceremonial impurity.* 14Just think how much more the blood of Christ will purify our consciences from sinful deedsf so that we can worship the living God. For by the power of the eternal Spirit, *Christ offered himself to God as a perfect sacrifice for our sins.*
Despite the fact that Jesus (Christianity) was everything needed to remove sin, the Jews in general rejected him in favour of TRADITION. Even Paul initially didn't realise Christianity was God's way
Mark 7:8 New International Version
*You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.”*
Galatians 1:14 English Standard Version
*And I was advancing in Judaism* beyond many of my own age among my people, *so extremely zealous was I for the traditions of my fathers.*
The point of that history lesson is even the right way can be called a cult/sect if it is not understood. It may be a breakaway from traditional religions/ways but that doesn't make it a sect/cult (normally closed/exclusive and dangerous)
Jehovah's Witnesses pulled away from mainstream/traditional Churches of Christendom in favour of holding closer to what the bible teaches.
When Jehovah's Witnesses spoke out against the established/traditional Churches showing scripturally a lot of what was taught such as hellfire/eternal torment, the immortal soul, praying to Saints and the refusal to use God's own name, the Churches highly resented it.
So just like Jesus (who was killed), The Apostle Paul and many others, they were labelled a "Cult/sect" because that legitimised the treatment that followed.
John 16:2
Amplified Bible
They will put you out of the synagogues and make you outcasts. *And a time is coming when whoever kills you will think that he is offering service to God.*
Jehovah's Witnesses sincerely believe the bible. They do not follow Christian traditions such as birthdays, Easter, Halloween, Christmas because the early Christians never did such things as recorded in the bible. They do not give religious titles to men like "Father" or Pope (meaning father)
Matthew 23:9 New Living Translation
And *don’t address anyone here on earth as ‘Father,’ for only God in heaven is your Father.*
Such things said publicly would humiliate and undermine the Churches as not representing God appropriately. But that was not the aim of the Witnesses message, it was just to highlight truth so ones could draw closer to God.
Jehovah's Witnesses are the farthest away from being a cult. Most cults are reclusive but Jehovah's Witnesses preach publicly and their meetings are open for any and all to attend.
Most cults centre around a human person. The name "Jehovah's Witnesses" demonstrates the opposite. They aim to highlight truth instead of perpetuate lies
Proverbs 14:25 New International Version
*A truthful witness saves lives,* but a false witness is deceitful.
Psalms 83:18 King James Bible
That men may know that thou, *whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.*
Isaiah 43:10 Aramaic Bible in Plain English
*You are my witnesses, says LORD JEHOVAH,* and my Servants whom I have chosen, and you shall know, and you shall believe in me, and you shall understand that I am he, and before me there has not been a God created, and none shall be after me
Romans 10:12-14 Aramaic Bible in Plain English
12And he makes no distinction in this, not for the Jews, neither for the Aramaeans, for he is The One LORD JEHOVAH to all of them, who is rich with everyone who calls to him. *13“For everyone who will call the name of THE LORD JEHOVAH shall be saved.”*
14Therefore, *how would they call to This One unless they believed in him, or how would they believe him unless they heard him, or how would they hear without a preacher?*
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Since I left Jehovah I've been having a devil of a time with Satan and loving it. Justin porter ex jw
Just because you may have left the JW's doesn't mean BIBLICAL Christianity is false.
@@flintymcduff5417 No Flinty it isn't all false, the Bible has 66 books, my favourite book of the Bible is Ecclesiastes in the old testament. Scientists have undeniable proof that we evolved from human primates so Adam and Eve are Myth. Justin Porter ex jw
It is not a cult
Prove it, Phyllis.
@@jamesritter5078 you'll find out soon enough
@@jamesritter5078 IF you think you are going to heaven when you die ,you better think again, and any fool should know that nothing burns forever
@@phyllislove598 Your posts do nothing but run away from the challenge put to you.
I accept that that's all you can do.
Like I said, you will find out soon enough, fly away
Yes, yes it is….but it took me a minute to let that soak in 🫣