This is Game Changing Tech for Batteries - Lithium Mining Explained
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- How this nanotechnology is changing lithium mining and batteries - explained. The first 100 people to use code UNDECIDED at the link below will get 20% off of Incogni: incogni.com/undecided. With electric vehicle demand skyrocketing and the growing need for lithium battery energy storage for renewable energy, the lithium ion battery is one of the key technologies for our sustainable future. However, “how sustainable?” is the million dollar question. Between the supply chain issues of the past couple of years and inflation, the cost of key materials like lithium have also skyrocketed. Is there enough lithium? How do we extract it quickly and safely? And is there a better way to build batteries that can reduce the complexity of materials we need to build them? There’s a company bringing an interesting piece of nanotechnology to market that may have an answer to those questions.
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Saw an interview with this guy and he gives off a real serious a Elizabeth Holmes vibe. We'll see, I guess.
And I guess it was your interview I saw.
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How they reduce heat wind flooding co2 and pollution.
So less heat and wind = less time spent cooling or heating a building.
Oh ya trees can protect people walking from cars and speeding drivers.
Keep up the good work you have probably a 223 IQ that doesn’t necessarily matter you have intelligence and education you’re a good work is not going unnoticed get the business walls and have your ideas work get the wolves in there I want you to feed them the ideas they make you money and you just may become more rich than Elon musk
It's gotta be Goodenough
Mad respect for these guys. That lithium harvesting technology is impressive enough but then they’re like ‘why don’t we make next gen batteries aswell?’ Absolute legends
I get where you're coming from.
Well the capacity for production is still there, might as well use it.
@@freedomwriter1995 That's straight up false information. It was true 10 years ago, but the batteries are nearly 100% recycled now thanks to companies like Li-Cycle, the improvements to lithium battery recycling has been MASSIVE in recent years. Granted there are still a lot of less than ideal mining methods used, but with this nanotech becoming rapidly available, it's going to be a no brainer for companies to switch off their old techs and use it to save cost and increase production. With this new tech there is no processing really, they just get pure lithium out of the brine.
I interviewed for an internship with these guys in Austin. Very knowledgeable dudes.
@@Fenthule exactly. Not only is Li-Cycle expanding into multiple US locations and Europe, we also see American Manganese, and Redwood Materials, as well as a half dozen smaller companies springing up to meet the demand as first generation EV batteries finally start needing replacement.
I came into this video expecting some theoretical tech that COULD do X and COULD "be y times cheaper", but this is one of those cases where they're already deploying the tech in the real world, even if it's currently at a small scale. This is a breath of fresh air compared to a lot of the promising tech that always seems to pop up out of research, make bold claims, then is never capable of deploying, or costs MORE than traditional processes.
Yeah, this was great to see. The tech seems to be working. There are people with really strong backgrounds in this area working there. They weren't promising "a revolution". Lots of good signs. I think this will do well.
Don't count those chickens before the eggs hatch. It's nice to see new technologies but until it is at a viable, commercial level it's just another research and development.
Pilot site is a big deal. That is going to the mines and having something that actually can do what you are saying it dose. Next step i guess is saying how many would you like?
Wow, another battery technology breakthrough? Can't wait to never hear from it ever again, just like 30 others "battery technology breakthrough" in the past 15 years. So excited.
4680 batteries are currently in cars on the road.
Unlike the others though, theyve already got a fully functional company, with a proven, and selling product.
This channel is a breath of fresh air into a world that seems hell bent on trying to destroy itself. Whether every venture is successful or not, please keep them coming Matt.
One of the problems with desalination to create fresh drinking water seems, other than the energy requirement, seems to be figuring out what to do with the brine after it. I wonder if this could be used to process the excess brine from a desalination plant, working together to produce fresh water & extract lithium?
Unless pickle consumption starts accelerating there'd still be a lot of brine left at the end of it, still some puzzle pieces missing.
Eating pickles to save the planet?
Well, call me Captain Planet!
Develop sodium, magnesium, and other element batteries. It's already more concentrated.
@@gary.richardson They are working on sodium batteries lately.
The problem is that, as of now, lithium ones are still unmatched, comercially.
That will probably change during the decade, and we will have different options, but the path from lab to store is long.
I'm hoping some of these alternatives prove to be cost effective for industrial level storage.That is something we need to reduce or dependency on fossil fuels, but we'll see.
Salt water batteries can not catch on fire. Lithium fires can burn for weeks and kill people. What do you want to live next to in an earthquake?
Excited to see this new technology out in the field! Also, what a stacked team they’re operating with!
I'm looking forward to keeping tabs on them. They've got a deep bench of talent.
I have the money my family has an insurance company send me your ideas and I will turn into Nikola Tesla Thomas Edison will not win I admire you and I watch closely this world is smaller than you think if you’re interested in a deal I can give you $50 million I want to see something good if you can make me 200 million I’ll give you 10 million cash
You are the Jesus of intelligence metaphorically speaking you have the power to change humanity you see what controls the system have you ever listen to Flobots no handlebars that’s your song listen to the lyrics keep pushing talk to me I have more money than you can imagine and it doesn’t make me happy what makes me happy is not driving around in a Ferrari but seeing poverty done seeing the world evolve getting rid of evil by overpowering it with an iron fist of good
This is a fantastic followup to the previous video! Glad to see he was willing to answer your questions again, this was great :)
That MOF thing is so cool, it’s like a crystalline version of cellular ion channels - super super duper important biologically, and seemingly just as useful here. Neat!
I would love videos where you report on tech presented here in the past that actually make it to larger scale
Great news and a good reminder of how important it is to include the potential of development of a technology when comparing established technologies with innovative ones.
I had read about energyx's developments some time ago and thought that was exciting but hearing from you about ongoing and future developments by this group ... WOW exciting times ahead. Thank you
Curious how many times Matt will change the title and thumbnail on this one?
Strap yourself in (hopefully not much).
CZcamsrs do this to maximize clicks due to YT algorithm. Don't blame them, they gotta make money too.
As many as necessary!
Still undecided, huh
Still to be determined😉
Such a cleaner beginning of the video!! Well done
Okay, I love this video and I've started hitting the like button again. I like it when the fluff contextualization (in this video, 0:40 - 1:02) doesn't take forever. I can put up with 20s tho!
This is awesome Matt! Thanks for sharing.
What happened to the "Let's see if we can come to a decision on this. I'm Matt Ferrell. Welcome to Undecided." opener line?
Nothing is groundbreaking until it hits the market, until I see it in devices, cars etc. it's not groundbreaking. Remember, graphene used to be "groundbreaking" 10 years ago, well it's still nowhere to be found.
I do think this is a huge step forward and a great way to save some time to work on improving battery technology itself to be more sustainable
Very exciting news! Can't wait to see where they go with this in the coming years.
Thanks for these updates.
Can this tech be used with seawater? The brines from desalination contain a lot of useful stuff, just very dilute.
Pulling lithium from seawater wouldn't be a profitable endeavor (it's far too sparse), but this tech could be used for something like desalination.
@@UndecidedMF It may not be economic if you're only interested in the lithium but extracting the lithium and other materials could contribute to reducing the costs of desalination.
It depends on what you are seeking. This tech just separates monovalent cations from bivalent cations. If you are looking for one of the bivalent cations it might still be difficult to separate out from other cations.
But, it is a good tool to have in the toolbox.
Another way for extracting Lithium that you didn't mention is from clay. It's not known that much yet but it's been proven to work in a pilot plant in Nevada. You can check Cypress Development Corp. They just released extraction results for battery grade Lithium Carbonate of 99,94%. This exceeded the battery grade purity needed (99.5%). They are in the process of doing the feasibility study but the price per ton in the pre-feasibility study was $3,387, so it looks comparable. They also use a lot less water then brime operations.
Hard to physically or economically make the argument that producing battery-grade LC from clay is cheaper than from brine, seeing as the first step/challenge is to solubilize the clay-bound lithium into a solution, which is then a brine. It's essentially brine DLE, but with an added step. Most current DLE companies will not be commercialized and also underestimate their costs.
@@tht-ww5oo I'm not an expert and can't argue one way or the other but they seem to have done it. We'll see if it continues to be successful at the next stage.
They also found chemicals in rivers from lithium mining in Clayton Nevada
Blmnv sold you fresh groundwater and we have found chemicals in the rivers from you .
Also has leaked chemicals in rivers
John B. Goodenough saw his name and took it as a literal challenge. What a legend
I was about to say I thought you already released this video but then realized it’s a follow up, cool
👍 Yep! I'm trying to stay on top of the companies and tech I talk about to see how the progress is going.
@@UndecidedMF that’s heckin solid, your channels awesome! One of my favorite memories over the past couple years is the time I spent watching your videos while working on my business late into the night. I appreciate your dedication!
Hey, it's CEO Brah! Glad his tech is working out from the last video.
Thank you for a great follow up to your previous interviews with Teague. There are other sources that verify your interviews on the topic of Lithium extraction by EnergyX. Is there a potential for problems with the EnergyX processes? Absolutely. But without good science and good engineering there would be no forward movement. Again, thank you.
Yep. It take a lot of failures to generate a success.
Great video, cool application of technology and excited to see more advancement on battery technology. Are we (royal we) thinking about how to ensure electric devices (especially vehicles) are backwards compatible as new battery technologies are developed. Theoretically it's all electrons so as long as the voltage/current parameters match up it shouldn't matter what type of battery gets dropped in a vehicle (accommodating space requirements etc). People already complain about how expensive it is to replace a battery pack in current cars, but I worry about manufactures making it difficult or impossible to replace old batteries with newer technologies as the original packs die.
Wow, I'm excited by these prospects for this company. I wish them great success.
Nice to see Jake Gyllenhaal running a company doing a new Lithium extraction method
You mean Macklemore?
Thank you for keeping us aware of innovations in this field.
Thanks for watching!
I really enjoyed this video but there was something I did not catch. When energyX is doing the nanofiltering for lithium....how do they keep other materials in the brine from clogging up the filter?
Matt I really enjoy your content.
you should be a broker to the different videos you produce. For example, the desalinization water domes in Saudi Arabia are going to produce a lot of salt brine which can be used by energyx. Keep up the great work thank you.
Hello Matt, been watching the channel for around a year now and this topic is very close to me, coming from Argentina.
There is something very important which I'm disappointed you haven't touched on yet on any video talking about the cons of lithium batteries, especially this one about lithium extraction.
Lithium extraction not only has the problem of requiring a lot of fresh water, but more importantly ,there's a lot of runoff of very contaminated and hazardous solutions that come from these brine pools. These ruin the ecosystems all around these brine pools and all areas at lower elevation from the pools, which considering how most lithium in Argentina is found in mountainous regions, this means that a lot of runoff is generated destroying wildlife.
A lot of lithium mines are being shut down or canceled before opening due to locals protesting the ecological damage.
Thank you for that follow-up video, I really loved your first video about this company and seeing that there is tangible progress is great! This tech is so promising, what stuck in my head was that it easily can be adopted to filter out anything out of water easily, especially desalinate saltwater into drinking water!!!
I keep asking myself the same question, it seems such a natural fit!
EnergyX CEO says my team is Goodenough. No EnergyX's team is ever better! Wishing you all continual success in your research and production.
I'm excited by the systems approach they are taking with their science to production and really feel the clarity and passion Teague brings forward. Working Li production from end to end may be a game changer in the process of forward thinking of manufacturing and production in a lot of businesses. If they can stay on track with all the environmental and cost efficacy issues they may very well be a game changer for the future...for now. Quite the team and brain pool too! Definitely worth keeping an ear to the ground on them! Thanks Matt!
This was an interesting topic -it really got my attention. They really got the A-team to work with. I would really like if you could cover ORC:s in a future episode - that is a massive untapped energy source.
@@charonstyxferryman Organic Rankine Cycle - it's a method for recovering residual heat and converting it to electric power.
Great one Matt!
Thanks, Marjohn! Glad you liked it.
Great video again, thank you Matt !
I wonder about the number of cycles, Teague Egan says they are aiming for "pouches" that can live for 800 cycles, but many lithium battery manufacturers claim around 5000 cycles now. Are these different counts ?
Thanks Matt. Sounds like EnergyX has many very useful technology applications. I wish them success, since it would help all of us.
Matt Ferrell has one of the few channels that I can watch at normal speed. Some channels you just got to put it on 1.25x. Great content Matt. And thanks for not talking so slow
Once attended a conference on MOF. Was so impressed with the potential applications and then so disappointed in how limited their cycling lifetime is. I’m wondering if it shouldn’t be tested on a timescale rather than a size scale first.
You just keep finding good news with regards to our electric future!
Love seeing MOFs find more amazing applications. And if this can speed up production while halving costs and being more sustainably operated... then damn... I hope it works.
Love this channel. Great job Matt
Thanks for watching!
Hi Matt, cool video! Unrelated to this video, but something I been curious about is freshwater management technologies in the residential space. You put up some videos on the freshwater crisis so it be cool to see what new technolgies and techniques are being implemented like rain water collectors and grey water management that are on offer, or on the horizon to more efficiently use a home supply of freshwater in the coming years.
if someone in the comments has a channel they like that focuses on that kind of thing i am open to recommendations as well!
Great suggestion! And if anyone does know of a channel focused on this, do share.
@@UndecidedMF I'd also be interested in this
Bravo! I hope these champions of our future will succeed!
So cool to see jimmy tatro succeed as a chemical engineer!
Another great video, thanks for all the research :)
Thanks for watching!
this is a great video thank you man
Great video, very intrigued by these new battery technologies. Would the lithium metal replace the need for cobalt in tradition li ion? Because that would go a long way to making battery technologies way more renewable and less reliant on some of the most brutal and exploitative labor that exists
Very impressive. I am still hoping for lithium not being necesary at all in energy storage but...
This seems like the most concretely promising video you've shown in a while.
Glad you liked it.
I would honestly love to see you do an in-depth video about battery recycling and reclamation of battery materials. Lead-acid betteries are fairly "cheap" and easy to recycle and reclaim materials from. But many of the battery types used for electric vehicles and power storage from solar and other sources are not. Can or could recycling and reclamation of lithium or other salts and metals from these newer types of batteries be a possible source of material that can be reused or put to another use? And are there any universities or companies working on making recycling these types of batteries more eco-friendly, efficient, and financially viable?
It's something I think about often while enjoying our whole-house solar system. What happens to the storage batteries when we have to replace them?
Keep making videos on these important breakthroughs matt. Haters gonna hate saying things like these are all fake, scam or useless but the most important thing is at least these innovators are trying to create something valuable rather than pulling legs even with a risk of failur but that's what expands science the most, "Trial and Error". Just like many plane models were failed and mocked but eventually we conquered the sky.
i think that there are not many haters on this youtube channel, because this channel requires a significant of brain to process that which these non creative haters do not have.
usually, you find this haters on mass media news channels on facebook where many people just get triggered by the title and don't even read the article that is usually written for 8 year old minds.
Unfortunately, it's hard to see this company in a better light than the other marketing ploys out there, though their mission is admirable. It might be just me, but I highly doubt that the person that becomes the next Elon Musk refers to him/herself as the "next Elon Musk".
Hahaha Monash (pron. Mon-Ash)
Proud alum, but even prouder to hear your way of saying it - delightful!
thats a wow on the Goodenough front
Could this not be implemented into value adding, for desalination plant brine water?
Given the finite global supply of lithium I'd be much more interested to hear more about who is developing battery recycling technologies, or alternatives to lithium as an energy storage medium at all.
They just made a video on Aluminum based batteries 💯
So wise , Thank You I hope that they can make it work and scaleup ,affordable
John B. Goodenough... gotta love parents with a sense of humor.
This seems like this would shift the industry massively. This seems like it would allow anyone who needs it to have ready access to lithium without a huge barrier to entry. Companies would want to do this in house to control the chemistry and benefit from controlling the cycle from a cost perspective. This also seems like it would drastically change the idea that we need to "move past lithium"
While this technology does look quite promising we should still look for alternative technologies that are cheaper and/or easier to build. Exploring alternatives might mean finding a way to create even better batteries and even if we don't find a way to create batteries with better densities than lithium we may find ways to create cheaper batteries that are better or even just good enough for some applications and take a load off the supply chain for things that do need the better and more expensive stuff.
I would be interested in your thoughts on Standard Lithium's direct extraction from bromine tail brine in South Arkansas. They appear to have advanced more than some of these companies in their demonstration plant has been operating 24 hrs. /day seven days a week for an extended period. There is no additional environmental impact as the bromine plants have been operating for 60 years there. This seems to be an alternative source that is in the U.S. for lithium carbonate and lithium hydroxide.
@Matt: This might be a stupid question but could that process be a solution to brine left from water desalination?
It certainly sounds promising but who we need more information for the batteries and lithium production. For instance, is there any nano tube contamination from this method of lithium extraction?
As for the batteries, let's see when they actually break the 300 cycle limit. Then we have to look at the limitations of the battery. How delicate is it? What heat ranges will it work in? Is it more or less likely to burn when damaged?
I COULD BE MISTAKEN BUT WHY IS THE CHEMISTRY "JUST LITHIUM " AND NOT LIFEPO4 WHICH IS SAFER AND CAN HAVE 3500 CYCLES BEFORE IT DROPS TO 80% IN BATTER CONSTRUCTION?
This is so cool. Battery tech of the future will be amazing.
I got a materials science engineering degree in 1989, and I have tried to keep up. GoogleScholar is your friend...
Back then we were beginning to investigate naturally forming zeolites for their huge surface area. 15 years before graphene. So much has been discovered.
Building things with metallic nanostructures... 90k different lattices and growing...
This could be tuned for any sort of sieve - bazillions of potential applications.
Wow.
Anticipating combo extraction in the distant future: go from seawater through multiple membranes extracting all kinds of minerals and ending with freshwater and stacks of 'pure' minerals/metals. (And solar/wave powered.)
So happy I invested during their last open!
I'm curious if this tech could make lithium battery recycling more effective and useful.
hard to say, but it's already very effective. nearly 100% of them are recycled now thanks to companies like Li-Cycle.
In addition, to reducing the typically space and time it takes to mine lithium and the amount recovered what does that translate into amount of water usage? People discuss how wasteful in terms of water is used for lithium extraction this may also assist with reducing that burden.
Good job in saying "Huanting Wang" with a single tremor in your voice. You are a better man than me :D
Not sure if you covered this in another video or not but what about getting lithium out of seawater desalination brine? My google search says scientists are experimenting, and as a SoCal resident that is wondering where the water will come from over the next 10yrs, it seems like a good idea to make a commodity out of the waste of other processes. Drink my water and have my batteries too 🤞
When it comes to battery technology, it really is a legitimate question to ask is it "Goodenough". The dude is a legend in battery technology.
Thats amazing that one company could help push the world forward in just a few years
It is truly amazing when a company manages to push the world forward, but I highly doubt it will be this company
... wow - what an R&D-Department !
Please keep us posted on EnergyX !!
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Great watching and latest news...thanks
Thanks for watching!
Thank you for bringing such information to the public Domaine. The hysterics resultant from ignorance can be difficult to deal with at times
Yeah people that only read the fear porn news networks and don't read into what's actually happening to pursue future tech in various areas can be a bit unbearable to talk with at times haha
It's exciting to see this big of an increase in percentage extracted and reduction in time needed.
EnergyX has been going around on all the awesome channels lately. Sounds like an good dude, hopefully they can make a difference
For a start up, trying to simultaneously transform lithium refining and battery design seems like a tall order. If they can succeed in the former, they will have plenty of resources for the latter.
game changer - 100 cycles !
for many years, we have been hearing these words 'game changer' without any change in the game.
But at what energy cost do we accelerate this process? Any membranes separation process is the most energy intensive separation process we have?
I live in Australia and it's rich cos of our minerals. And we happen to have one of the largest deposits of lithium in the world.
Most of the videos seems futuristic, so can you recreate the past futuristic ideas actually implemented?
With this much background culmination in this field and how the team has basically been together since university studying the same thing.
I'd say their momentum in breakthroughs are only natural.
(Which is something great)
Good job, cutting costs and increasing production of these things can make human life easier by many folds.
Even save lives! If you take their indirect effects
I wonder if this technology could be used to recover lithium from spent batteries, too, which is rapidly becoming quite an issue...
Battery recycling is really coming into its own now. I need to do a follow up on that since my last one: czcams.com/video/6w78-aSTIDY/video.html
Crazy! And here I thought drilling in our national parks was bad. These lithium farms are not only a large scale eyesore, but also pollutes the soil and the air. SMH
Good beginnings. More questions:
1) Since arid countries like much of Argentina and Chile already have water-problems, why not insert extra construction that helps to salvage and further treat the evaporating water, instead of allowing it to get lost?
2) Isn't there a danger of an accelerated goldrush for cheaper & faster Lithium with this technology?
2) What about ground instabilities due to faster brine-pumping(?) for this faster extraction?
4) This is the 21st century: Are these new batteries designed as Cradle-to-cradle? ( = If not, then I seriously believe that they have no right to be created on an industrial scale, until they are designed to be cradle-to-cradle)
I’ve been hearing about the strong possibility of using industrial hemp being carbonized and made into batteries that can actually out perform lithium in many cases for a lot less in the production cost.
Has there been a presentation of this on this podcast ?
It could be used also in the case of geothermal. Cornish Lithium is attempting this, at this very moment, hot water extracted from deep granite rocks contains Lithium
I don't know if that first blurb from Mr. Egan really added anything, it looks like you caught him at ~3am.
Wonder if this tech could be used to process concentrated brines from desalination plants.
Also, aren't the other elements in the brines e.g. Mg, Na et al - useful in of themselves?
I graduated with one of the PhD students working on this project at UT Austin
I have look at the machine but how big it is and what is the work rate of the machine if it going to be used in massive scale refining?
Regardless of battery technologies, we really need to sort out the collection of batteries for recycling. Batteries have always been completely recyclable but very little ever gets recycled as no one invests in the infrastructure to do so and the public both does not know how to dispose of them for recycling and few are motivated to even make an effort to do so.
Great development by energy x hope soon the technology transfer happens in India.
Great effort in your Vedio making process
I had thought Goodenough was working on a new "glass" battery. Guess that didn't pan out?