Is 8 Rack a Scam Now? | Modern MTG
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- čas přidán 8. 07. 2024
- 8 Rack is an iconic Modern archetype but it hasn't been good in years. Can a unique scam plan involving former Pauper all star Augur of Skull let the deck compete in 2023?
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3:31 Games - Hry
I think my favorite thing about watching Seth's videos, particularly the more Against the Odd's style ones, is the pauses when the opponent has to stop to read the cards.
My fave is watching him lose games because he doesn’t think.
@@AkodoNoEyes We'd like to watch you as you may never misplay for sure.
The Pithing Needle would have stopped the Shadowspear life gain!
made me want to cry
Was looking for this comment 😢
Came here to say this
That's what I was thinking...
So I wasn't the only person who thought of this as soon as he clicked on The Rack...
38:00 Seth doesn't have the exile zone open to see that Living End is exiled with a Void counter and that he can sac Void Walker to re-cast Living End and wipe the board clear and then likely just win with rack damage.
@45:20, should've grabbed pithing needle and named shadowspear.
Yep, but it's not a saffronOlive video without at least one massive punt.
Not only that, but he should have made his own 3/3 Construct which would have traded off for the opponent's 3/3.
The introduction makes me wonder, if everyone plays The One Ring and has a full hand, is Waste Not suddenly very good again?
Waste Not might be even better, because then everyone has cards to discard
There's a way to punish extra card draw, and it does cost 1B, but alas it's Orcish Bowmasters
@@stevenyukabacera160 Bow Master spikes hard in modern now. It's too meta for me. I'm rather trying to break the meta with something like Waste Not 😜
@@chad3166 that's what I meant
@@stevenyukabacera160Unrelated, but "Yukabacera"? Nice! That's a pretty deep cut.
I played 8 rack for years until I finally got burnt out by trying to keep up with modern power levels and I turned the deck into a Liliana Oathbreaker. This video legit is tempting me back into Modern
Tell me about it. My first modern FNM win was with 100$ 8rack (well, back then it was 100$). A list inspired by Professor's video on the budget 8rack. I took a little break after the rack could no longer damage planeswalkers which became way too annoying to deal with on the budget. After I decided to give the deck another go it was no longer the same modern and I got powercrept out of the format, essentially.
@@Suavek69 lol, it was the Prof's video for me too that helped me decide what deck to build. Also big mood at the Walker change. I did some weird things where I started running stuff like Vampire Hexmage as PW removal
@@bronsonkim6652 yeah LOLLL I still have hexmages in my binder to this day. It was all around terrible, insignificant change for 99% of players, tragic news for rack players
@@Suavek69 Haha, I was also inspired by Prof's 8 Rack video and played the deck for several years both online and in paper. That was when I was first learning how to play and 8 Rack was my deck of choice for a quite a while.
@@Suavek69 what year was this ?
watching him chose the rack instead of pithing needle for shadow spear was painful
We're not 8 Needle though! (But yes, that would have been a better choice).
@@MTGGoldfish yeah, it was like the pithing needle came out of the deck in slow motion, because my brain kicked on the adrenaline in response to seeing such horrors unfold before my very eyes
An interesting tidbit about the flavor text of Wrench Mind, since Olive commented on it.
"What is the sound of one neck snapping?" Is a reference to what's called a Koan. A Koan is a riddle Zen Buddhist monks ask their pupils. It's a question without an answer, and it's purpose is to encourage thought & contemplation in students.
"What is the sound of one hand clapping?" is the classic example of a Koan
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koan
Voidwalker is VERY hard for living end to beat. If you can get it in the yard (sac it or just thoughtseize yourself), the way the ordering works, living end will bring it back to play, then finish resolving, putting it to dauthi-board. Then just sac dauthi to living end THEM. Dauthi will go to yard, then come back with ANOTHER LIVING END. You can now cast living end every turn.
8 Rack, like black-burn, really feels colorpie appropriate.
The nostalgia of seeing 8 Rack do well again is real.
I really miss Modern before it became Horizon's Block Constructed.
Same, I kinda want a format like classic modern which is just modern without the horizon or lotr sets. The concept of designing sets to fit into modern was cool at first, but they just went too hard on the powerlevel.
I said that too, then the first game was just Greif into bowmaster. Modern is just so hyper focused on these pushed staples
Well we are about to get rotation for modern next year with the next modern horizons set. Maybe some new decks can emerge but yes, modern was better before
The Rack is the card I want the most to be reprinted into Pioneer, specially now that Liliana of the Veil is legal.
Yeah, I'm surprised is isn't in Pioneer or on Arena yet.
Something about a deck built around Urza's Saga playing Alpine moon for the mirror says a lot about the poor state of modern right now.
not even just one alpine moon, but likely 4 of them at that
Neat build. I would just need the MH and LOTR cards to upgrade my old Rack deck and I'm there! Now to take a big sip of coffee before checking the price on those and-
Seth I think you forgot to add an ensnaring bridge to the deck and maybe a defense grid or two for the deck since those might be good cards to add
@mtggoldfish
Well you don't want the opponent to keep their cards. I would suggest going dimir fir counterspells.
@@friedaiceborn1663 well yes true but if you are worried about decks that go faster than you and taking you down low on life then I would suggest adding the cards in and add ravens crime and a dredge land or two so you can literally keep discarding your opponents cards down so you wont worry about your opponents having a full hand though or let your opponents draw their deck out
@@Alex_Simpson711 true. I mean that there could be a dimir controll deck with the rack as a wincon. Get your opponent hellbent and answer their one card per turn while the rack whittles them down
@@friedaiceborn1663 yeah that's a cool idea but I want to stick with discard theme
I’ve learned a lot from watching you play through the years, I appreciate you.
THANKS!
45:21 !Punt, Seth had access to pithing needle the Shadowspear, being an equipment would not be attachable.
I don't know if anyone else is thinking about this, but in match 5 game one, Seth gets to tutor with Urza's Saga and chooses the Rack, but couldn't he have gotten the pithing needle and named shadow spear? The spear wasn't equipped at the time, so with my understanding this would prevent the spear from being equipped and all the life gain that was the primary cause of the loss? Am I wrong?
No you're correct he could have.
You're not wrong. It would have worked. Seth just tunnel vision'd too hard and went with having as many racks on the battle as possible.
One day I really hope WotC prints a card called Shadow Sphere.
Saffron Olive playing interesting and fun/janky Modern Brews will always be my favourite MTG Content!
The Modern Card Pool is so big to pick Cards from and whenever new Cards come out and are legal in Modern you can go through the whole Card Pool again and probably find some fun and janky Combo that only works now because of a new Card and doing that itself is fun as well!
Prost & Cheers from the Snow-Covered Bavarian Alps
The real scam is that the 8-rack deck you sold us only has six racks in it.
Clickbait.
Liliana provided the rest
@@jellywillreturn that's still only a seventh rack
Awesome deck and gameplay.
I didn’t realize Alpine Moon isn’t symmetrical 🙃👍
8 rack from years ago was the first video I watched on this channel and that’s the reason why I started playing MTG. Thanks for the update.
After the episode a couple days ago where it took Seth forever to recognize what that users twitch name was, I'm concerned that he didn't see the easy pun about rack with the thumbnail and Liliana.
That new black 1 mana discard enchantment from Wilds of Eldraine will be a nice upgrade for this archetype I assume.
This is exactly my thoughts as well..plus the exile thought sieze for no life
That card is not better than thoughtseize, it is no upgrade to this deck
@meagherman1013 life loss is a thing, while pitching cards has never been an issue for the deck..one of my preferred discard spells has always been black mail, you can even steal a land
"you know what would be nice, a discard spell" (has augur on board and skips through upkeep) - you figured it out a turn late, but you gave them an extra turn in which they could have double bolted you for the win
Massive punt not getting pithing needle and naming shadowspear against jund
I'm soooo hyped when Seth plays Modern! Let's go!!
Makes me wish I still had my rack and vice combo deck room back then
11:59 "power of the rack in 2023" - SO "old age and treachery will always beat youth and exuberance" -DM
I may be alone on this, but i prefer see mtgo games over Arena games when Seth plays to show us decks, and i play only arena, maybe its the feeling over so much years watching Seth with Mtgo. Iam on point that when an arena video is out i dont get excited to see, but when a mtgo video comes out i see it from begining to end 😅
Seth doing "gamer voice" at the end is peak comedy.
Wow, loving the mono black 8 rack deck, thnx mr. Olive.
Game 2 round 1 was a perfect example why you don’t always scoop early.
"Is the Rack Back" "RackTron" love it so much
48:56 the best equip is probably kaldra and hammer but need the right shell shadow spear is the best in all other deck
So nice to see 1994 cards still running modern.
I love the rack😊
Somewhere deep in an isolated sand cavern, Spice felt a disturbance in the Blind Eternities...
omg it happen I ask for it on the description of so many video ... I did want you to use the battle rack the invasion of eldrain on also since it eldrain spoiler season it would have fit so well
I appreciate that you always choose to play first. Going second is the biggest lie I've ever seen 8 rack players believe.
You just can't beat a turn 1 thoughtseize/grief scam.
Yeah, the scam package is so much more powerful on the play that I think it is clearly worth it with the build at least.
@@MTGGoldfish I love you Seth! Please have my babies!
Before seeing the games this deck seems really fun, and maybe even good
the punt of taking the rack over pithing needle for shadowspear hurt my soul so very much, good to see one of my fave archetypes alive and well though, even if its purity is diluted by MH2 nonsense
Speaking of High Priest of Penance. My buddy has like 40 copies because he speculated on it and it flopped XD
Shrieking Affliction doesn't deal 3 dmg which is important against The One Ring
Your videos are very entertaining! Don't let the criticism let you down... I really enjoy how you laugh and have fun playing, cheers!
Even with the Undying Malice effects...Augur of Skulls seems like a slower, more expensive mind rot.
The base form is 4 total mana to make them discard 2. And you can't even chump-sac like a Steve
If you undying it back, you're spending a card and another 3 mana, so 7 mana and 2 cards to discard 4...2 mind rots would be cheaper
How are you mathing this? Augur costs 2 mana. His discard ability doesn’t cost anything. Augur plus malice effect is 3 mana total to rip 4 cards from the opponent.
The activation is free, so with a scam piece like Undying Malice it's technically discard four for a total of three mana.
@@MTGGoldfish oh I misread the card, the 2 mana activation is for the regeneration, whoops.
That living end player was a paid actor, no doubt in my mind
(Love your content Seth)
With The One Ring so prevalent, Wrench Mind is actually sick tech.
Seth you really made a great pro modern horizons argument after match 1! With some mh cards you can even play the rack in modern. And like win games too
I'm working on changing my perspective about Modern Horizons. Rather than feeling bad when I play Modern Horizons cards I'm coming to grips with the idea that you just have to play them, but try to use them to do something cool or unique rather than what everyone else is doing. Like how you can do a lot of wild things in Legacy, but you have to play the good cards like Force of Will and Brainstorm to have any chance of keeping up. Still miss old Modern, but this is my current theory for enjoying the current version of the format.
Love changing the perspective. From a content perspective I’d much rather watch you possibly win some games in Against the Odds, using these new cards.
Sometimes the game might turn into saga token beat down, but that’s magic. Keep up the good work!
@@MTGGoldfish I've always held the opinion that Modern should be a community-moderated format. I could imagine something like the "usage stats" that Smogon uses to create their tiering system would be very helpful in picking out problematic cards without the obfuscating factors of tilt or mob psychology coming into play. MTGA and MTGO already exist and could easily be used to harvest the data needed for this, as well as for polling and suspect testing.
At least, if not modern, there should be a format like this. If fricking Pokemon can do it, so can we.
at 33:06 i think you could have won instead of putting your opponent to 3. You use Srza's Saga and Mishra's Factory to make 2 artifacts to deal 10, i think if you had used Urza's Saga to transform Mishra's Factory opponent would be at 5 then used your 3 black mana to shrieking affliction and augur of skulls(sacrifice) to put opponent to 0 cards in hand which would rack + shrieking to deal 6? Sorry if I'm wrong, I'm not good at following the state of the game on magic online.
Bear always should get lil' snacks.
Gotta put in hypnotic specter man
I forgot Funeral Charm was in Modern. I wonder if it could be good outside of a Rack deck nowadays with Orcish Bowmasters and Ragavans out there to kill with it.
Instant speed discard is nice, and the flexability of killing Bowmasters and Ragavin is a nice bonus.
I'm going to start playtestung this
2:40 I love dookie voidwalker
Yeah I finally had to bite the bullet on the elementals myself for my flash deck to make it playable. Now it's Esper Flash Scam. I do agree with MH you're either playing them or you aren't competing.
Sometimes, the deck is sweet and does its thing brilliantly - sometimes, you play through until turn 8 or 9 and never see a 3rd playable land, lol.
Haven't watched any MtG conent since MoM, but I see 8 Rack, gotta watch.
Game 1: Doesn't fatal push kill murktide since its a two drop in play?
just starting running Pithing Needle , all the ring decks now just scoop
block with the 2/2s in g1 m5?
Very pleased to see The Rack coming back!!!
I love Rack, I have a Pox-esque 12 Rack deck, 12 might sound like a lot, but when you Rack someone for +10 damage on one upkeep it starts to make sense. Not sure if Dark Ritual into a Hymn is better or worse than cheating out a Grief. I also have a Rack Commander deck, it's due for an upgrade but it's still a hilarious mix of weenies, discard effects/payoffs and Stax to make sure people have to sit there and suffer. It's a different kind of fun than some people are into, but I think when I throw in some more powerful cards it'll run more smoothly. There isn't enough Rack content out there!
Wasn't there an old "quest" type enchantment from worldwake block that would work in this deck?
If you're talking about Quest for the Nihil Stone, it's a definite thought but I assume it loses points due to being a bad topdeck compared to Rack/Affliction which are both golden if they come off the top while the opponent is already hellbent.
the malakir land is a good addition with grief
The rack is BACK?!? Thank you Saffron!!! 🎉
"What is even competing with shadow spear?" Uh, kaldra. Hammer.
Love to see some pauper
I just 3/0'd my 8-rack build in my local modern this week! I've been playing 8-rack since 2017 haha
I’m just saying that Delirium Skeins makes them discard 3 cards for 2 mana. More mana efficiency > playing cards from your hand, am I right?
I love how it's called 8 rack but only 3 of each effect 😂
55:26 opponent’s internet might have dropped out for 20 minutes, giving you the win and 5 - 0
It's possible to make the budget version? It would be amazing
Ahh the rack brings back the memories :D
Not fetching the pithing needle for the shadowspear = punt
Piloting 8 rack, as u called it, is knowing the meta in the format, as well as your opponents deck better than they do.
Lol, Seth after missing 4 damage game 1 against Living End: "We somehow won that!!!"
Even if the opponent had the cascade spell match 4 g2 they had no way of casting it with a counterless caverns, stomping ground and sunken ruins
Been a long time since I’ve seen any 8 rack content
MtG Goldfish always serving the sauce
Wondering why not use the Shadow guy to get Murktide game 2 match 1? You knew they had fury in hand. Keeping Voidwalker allowed a clean sweep.
I'm curious why 3/3 for rack and affliction rather then 4/2, since you have a tutor for the rack, wouldn't it be better?
Affliction can be pitched to Grief. Rarely do you ever have time to tutor the 4th Rack.
Mycosint garden?
Spoilers
Jeaze that last match was brutal. Thats happened to me going into game five with a 4-0 playing my homebrew flash deck. Played tron 3 times and match 3 was game five and it was eldrazi and they ran perfect.
50:24 Why does Alpine Moon kill Urza's Saga?
why no ensnaring bridge?
42:09 the lands didn’t tap for enough colored mana
S E T H ! !
YOUR DECK HAS A *Pithing Needle* !!
You name *Shadowspear* , it can equip to neither Jack _NOR_ Squat!
I splash red but use 0 creatures. Just ensnaring bridge and like lilianas caress.
How is this deck not named "Liliana's Rack"?
How is that not the clickbait title?
What's happening to my internet?
High priest + porcuparrot is the way to go
As soon as I saw you not get the Pithing Needle for shadowspear I immediately went to the comments to see if that was the top comment. It was
I think that Painful Quandary would be good in the 8 rack deck
In the last round Saga could have grabbed Pithing Needle and turned off Shadow Spear
Too expensive mana wise
@@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche4303 the longer, grindy matches would benefit from a Painful Quandary
It's just super slow for Modern. The effect is good, but five mana is just a ton.
best equipment in modern is a questionable distinction when there are equipments banned in modern
I've been playing rack for years and I can say the biggest upgrade is Haywire Mite. Run a bunch of fetches with one copy of overgrown tomb and wallah. You have a stone cold answer to leyline that you can find off a saga
Can we get Scamtern? (Scam and lantern?)
So weird to see rack tech again
OMG I muuust make this now!😮
Rack tron takes the win!!! (Disregard the part where the racks where just 1 mana artifacts to buff the karnstruct army the saga tron pooped out, and that said saga tron is whats fetched all the racks too xD)
38:57 wouldn't attack all put them opponent to 2 and win in their upkeep with the Rack thanks to Grief's menace?