Sanding Through CLEAR COAT!! What it takes and what it looks like! Using machines, sanding block!!
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2024
- Wet sanding can be as scary as using the rotary to some. today we debunk the myths and shed the fear! Wet sanding is the quickest and safest way to correct paint. and if you pay attention to these videos...you will understand why. there is no need to be behind the polisher in one spot for 45 minutes!! Keep the temps down while correcting by wet sanding where you have more control. save time and be more precise fixing the defect!! CHEERS!!
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Thanks for making it easier to understand by using the correct terminology. A lot of you tube videos feature so-called professionals referring to both the clear and base coat as the "paint". Maybe that is part of the lexicon amongst detailers, but can be extremely confusing to a beginner like myself when they say be careful not to sand thru the paint when they mean the clear.
You have some fantastic videos, Brian!
I love the style, content, music.
Thanks for taking the time to post these videos.
Thank you for your support and kind words!!
Thank you for clearing up most of the confusion I've researched on the the internet.. people have their own way of doing things so far you way seems to make better since after following some of the other people's on the internet..my $30 project has turned into a $100+project
Man I love your details, your professionalism and knowledge is superb. If I could pick one detailer out of all the ones I watch to apprentice, no doubt would be you!
Thanks for sharing your many years of experience.
Happy if it helps👍🏻
Thank you for sharing this valuable knowledge 🙏
Hi Brian. I have two DeFelsko gushes, the Positector DFT combo and the 6000 FNS3. As you mentioned, DeFelsko has an advanced model that is capable of measuring the thickness of each layer of film above the substrate. Initially, I was excited about the prospect of have this technology available to me; however, when I spoke to an engineering rep at the company, he explained that - at this time - the advanced model (with multi-layer capability is NOT reliable on automotive substrates.
I've painted a bike frame and I'm ready to add clear coat, and believe I'm supposed to wet sand it a bit 1st. This video is very informative!
u realize that this is talking about sanding ON the clear coat right? xD
Tried the 1,000, base, and clear on my door and fender of my 2004 Toyota Camry due to overspray still looks matte but soft besides the handle (door). Love to hear your advice going forward!!
Excellent video, thank You !
Sure thing Mark! More to come!
Great profile pic, Mark! Bozzio!
Just a comment, Brian, and I'm sure you have experience with the vehicles or possibly the players... how many new cars, between their cargo ship / vehicle hauler / dealership "ooopsies" dings and scrapes get secretly repaired by body shops and the buyer has no clue. I always ask respectfully if work was done to the vehicle at any point, however, I work assuming it could be anywhere, and occasionally can spot it myself (the horrible sanding jobs beneath the clear). You're awesome, thanks for all
Thank you for the video. QQ, I have painted the wheels of my car and covered with a matte clear coat. The wheel feel a bit porous. So, after a weekend on the track the brake dust is well into the wheel. I have used multiple wheel cleaners (including Sonax) but the front wheels still have a good amount of brake dust in them. I have also tried brushes, a clay bar and nothing. I am at the point that I am thinking about doing some wet sanding to remove some of the clear coat and then just re-apply it (then I would apply some ceramic coating to avoid having this issues again). Thoughts?
Very cool!
Thanks John!👍🏻
Great video Brian! Always willing to share your knowledge! Could you provide the model numbers (differences) and names of the 3 different depth meter gauges? Also, which one is the best to use? Thanks in advance.
www.globaltestsupply.com/online/defelsko-positector-6000-coating-thickness-gauges?GTS.%20-%20DeFelsko%20(USA)&DEFELSKO%20-%206000
I only deal with these...you then decide how far you wish to go with measurement capabilities.
Apex Detail thank you!
Great. But if you do sand through clear coat is there a way to correct without having to repaint the whole panel? I am learning how to detail my own car and then hopefully open detailing business. I’ve burned though 3 different spots on my car. Luckily it’s a cheap car, so I’m okey with it.
Any suggestions you could give for a 2020 Tacoma with etching from waterspots? I saw one of your videos and plan to use a 3in round palm sander light pressure , moving to 5000 then polish .
Ive tried the chemical route and also a griots machine using both orange and white pads with various polishes.
Excellent
Thank you John!
My girl interrupts me a couple times while watching your video. So if I missed you telling us you do. I'll blame it on her but do you have any videos correcting this problem if it does happen? Or if somebody bring the car to you this way how to go about fixing the burn through.? Thanks
I burned the paint down to the metal on my car that has lacquer paint. The part that trip me out the most was that I was using an orbital buffer. I didn't know an orbital buffer could burn. Now I do.
I was wondering if I had to remove all the clear on a car if I want to fix it cosmetically. If the clear looks wet like on most of that panel does that mean it's healthy? I want to fix a 2008 Civic and I'll have to go to the metal for rust in certain spots - otherwise the clear looks wet for most of the car. Then I want to blend the clear in the panel and I heard I might have to clear the whole car to make it uniform and I'm thinking it's a good idea to add 1-2 clear coats for buffing/polishing to extend the car's life. Do you think it's a good idea or not?
First of all, thanks ive learned fir the next time, wish i had seen it before i tried to wet sand some scratches, accidentally used a 200g instead of 2000 silly me.. the thing is, i used it realy gently and mostly to even some touchup paint ive put on the scratches, what should i do? 800-1200 grit it and than apply clearcoat? Ive poured some water on it and it did disapear
Do you recommend me using a battery operated sander I purchased from
Amazon to wet sand and get rid of the clear coat on my carbon fiber hood? Doing it by hand is taking way to long…
Thanks
QUESTION.
I purchased a truck where the guy before me didn't remove all the decal glue. So I've managed to remove 90% with an eraser then compound and polished it out. On the hood is where my problem is! I have about 15 letters (glue). Can I wet sand them out then compound and polish? Or even add 2K clear after sanding if need be? please advise.
Would love to work with you for a few days, but I live to far. Thanks Brian
Next best thing... a Twitch account is coming where I can teach you guys live. Ya' all can ask questions in chat and I can answer them straight away! 👍🏻
Learned a lot from you sir...I have clear coat failure/flaking on a black 2015 f350 fiberglass fender flares, any suggestions on how to approach this myself?
Clear coat failure after 5 years? What happened?
I've filled a bunch of gravel rash on bottom of doors and quarter panels. I'm going to paint, and probably then clear coat the whole panel. I'm using a cheap electric DA simoniz polisher sanding and sanding with an interface pad and 800 grit. I think I'm done, then I look over it and IT'S STILL SHINY!!!!. (I can do about 3 square feet ok, but I thought the sanding pad would last longer. should I use a new pad every 2 square feet or so??)
Is some shine ok if I'm not blending as long as I know I've sanded it with 800 or does it have to be flat (no shine)???
I first tried with a coarse compound, but it just seems to be polishing it up, It doesn't take the shine off at all.
Thank you for these videos. How could I get or make that 2 or 3 inch sponge with the hook and loop. I’m getting some panels from a body shop and want to practice with 3000 and 5000
I can get you one for $17.95
Do you have any part numbers or names of the depth gauge for plastic. I have one for just metal
Awesome information! I'm going to do this soon on my wife's car so this helps!
If you have any questions or problems during the process... don't hesitate to reach out. Iam always here to help you guys!
Apex Detail actually I have a quick question. If I'm going to we sand a surface, do I have to bother with clay baring the surface first?
Victor Hernandez Yes... do everything you normally do. You do not want ferrous materials or road film to get between the sand paper or disc. And the paint surface. Or serious marring could take place.
Always maintain a fastidious surface during the whole process from start to finish👍🏻
Apex Detail ok awesome. Sounds good ! Thanks !
Any tips on gelxoat/ clear coat burn from an eraser wheel
i know you don't suggest to go below 1000 grit but my issue is I have really thick and awful orange peel. I've tried 1500-2000 grit to smooth it out but it won't give me the results I need. Would you suggest I go coarser?
use a 1500 3m trizac pad dry on a machine...do not use a foam interface pad. that will blast it right down then finish with wet 3m 3000... 3m 5000 easiest way I have found
Do I always sand in one direction? I noticed that when I was doing circular movements I made loads of deep scratches and even later when tried to buff it out I couldn't. Also which setting in a buffer is best for cutting but don't want to melt the clear coat because noticed that happened on holding too long on the 4th setting. The buffer has got six settings
Its very difficult and it took me years to learn the rotary polisher. Now I can remove all scratches. Be making video about soon.
What a great video of what different techniques/tools can be used. Love that you stopped/wiped/polished to give the best demonstration I've ever seen on "how far is too far" with great camera work on showing the steps. I've got limited sanding experience but I've been doing a lot of research on the subject lately and I'm putting together a BUY LIST on getting all my supplies so I can begin offering this service. I've got lot's a junkyard panels to practice on before I do. Question : Do you exclusively use a Magik Erasure as your sanding block for wet sanding with paper sheets, or do you use any of the various kits on the market ? I've seen that some use sponges. K2K makes some cool blocks. Thanks Brian, JJ
Make sure to have all of those at your disposal...KXK, sponge, Foam...whatever is comfortable to your grip.😃
Apex Detail thank you, I knew when I was typing K2K it felt wrong. KXK with the hard blocks and the soft blocks seems like it makes a lot of sense
İf we went to base coat with sanding, how can we fix it? Clear coat touch up will fix it?
I think I sanded through clearcoat because I have spots on my vehicle that colors are different but didn't want to paint it again. I used my rotary polisher the last time and it did it but I had other spots when I wet sanded that were down to bare metal but small spots. I should if used the orbital sander the last time instead of used the rotary to sand down my truck clearcoat but made a mistake and won't use a rotary to sand polisher to sand a spot.
It differs from car to car. Some of these newer cars come with less paint on them. 3 and half mils to 4. Especially on toyota and lexus cars. I honestly don't even like to wet sand when the paint is that thin. I've noticed alot of these older cars have more paint. It seems the car industry has decided to cut costs. I would like to try using a spare hood with not 3 mils of paint to see how long it would take to sand through the clear. That and I'd like to learn how to blend in touch up paint with car paint better
Curious. I rattle can clear coated my truck panel with the cheap rustoleum stuff. Problem is there is a circle nozzle and not a fan nozzle like others have. I had runs all over. I wet sanded them down. Looks good when wet but is all hazy when it dries. Should I just try re clearing and be more careful with the runs or use a buffer polisher to get rid of the hazy?
Usually when you wet sand any panel it will become hazy when it’s dry and you will see all the sanding marks. You should always buff out the sanded area with a rotary polisher, it will go back to normal again.
My uncle said that using power tools on clear coat is for pros, lazy people or fools, block block, block is always his answer, I should add he’s a custom painter of hot rods and corvettes.
My car is already silver. I want to re-do just the clear coat with some silver flake in it. I just need to sand through all the existing clear coat to be able to re spray??
:/ I'm trying to learn about this stuff too .. I've got fairly good grasp, but currently ready to clear coat a bike frame, and from what I've read, watched, and heard, I'm supposed to wet sand the paint slightly 1st.. and just trying to learn exactly proper process.
I'd have to see or know more about your car before offering any advice
What are those dots besides the edges ?
Warning, dodge and Chryslers have extremely thin clear coat and soft paint. Never wet sand a mopar product, I used 2000 grit with lots of water for less then a minute on my 2001 dodge and went straight to the base coat.
How can i fix it if i went throuhh the clearcoat?
But how do i fix a small spot if i sanded too much into the clear? Please help.
Yes I would like to know too,nobody talks about that.
Help! I used 800 grit up to 3000. I used meguiar's correction compound and the scuffing from my lousy wet sanding is very visible. Bought the other meguiars 101 to see if it would be a better compound. Polished area 3 times and it's getting better but far from great. The scratches I was hoping to level off are still there and the car looks like a mess. Any advice?
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Confused at 13:25 to 13:40. Isn't the goal to get it flat...no high spots?
How much orange peel removed if you're going to do a recoat.
I just burnt three my clear coat,on top of my front fender,having a orange peel effect,sanding by hand
just add some new one. spray or even if just shitty clear coat from touch up pens will do. polish it after
Do you have a link so I can buy that red polisher
Its VERY old.....Let me find one comparable.
Apex Detail thank you I have black rims on my truck ani think it's the clear peeling off cause it's shine in spots what do you think it's very dull in spots an one is real dull no shine at all
Go to 7:37 and then 7:40 right afterwards.
Someone pleas help lol.
I used 3000 grit wet sand for a bird poop removal. However, after sanding I went to polish off the scuff marks and it only got bigger! I might’ve sanded too much but again it was only a 3000 grit? Any suggestions?
Might need to repaint it if you went too deep in the clear coat since it would expose the paint to sun and cause it to fade over time
Do you have to wash or clay the area before wet sanding
Depends on the depth and feel if it's new from the shop then I'd be most certain on following up on this method
@@angelseliteautodetailing hey! Sorry to reply on a commend 5 months later but i see that you really know how everything works, i have some deep scratches in my clearcoat that will come out with heavy compound. Already removed some but spotted some more when my car stood in the sun. Im going to remove them all but it will really take some effort to get thru clearcoat with a compound right? It wont happen that fast will it?
Brian can you bump up the sound a little. My phone Samsung sucks.
No!
Why wet sand?? Aint it's important to try to save much paint as possible
If you think it is safer to use a machine ( rotary or DA) that raise the surface temps by 40 degrees or more while doing the same thing as wet sanding on a slower pace... you are quite mistaken. You can hover over a scratch with a DA for 15-20 and raise the temps of the surface to 150+ ... or use 5000 or 3000 to correct that same spot in 7 minutes with only a degree or two in fluctuations in temps. Which do you think is harder in the clear? You are removing the same amount of clear to correct the blemish. Why not do it safely by colour sanding? Its because companies want you to buy a $500 machine and $30 compounds. Believe me.. after 24 years doing this his... I am aware of what the industry is up to. 😉
It has to do about time. The wet sand in a DA is going to take a lot more time. If it's your job that's the best way to go so heat doesn't discolor anything
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No one in there right mind will go on that edge that way bro do not show them how ur shakacking that edge bro wtf lil