Lets discuss the 1.2 puretec engine
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- čas přidán 26. 01. 2023
- Hi there! I wanted to try something a little different today, if it goes well ill do more on other types of engines and gearboxes etc... Lets discuss today the 1.2 puretech engine briefly and a well known common problem.
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Mines just knackered the brake booster pump. It’s with Peugeot now. Was meant to be a recall but we never got a letter. Peugeot should be footing the bill!
Got a second hand corsa with this engine. Car came with around 24k km’s when we bought it. Did around 2.5k more on it and its still doing pretty fine. Its not the smoothest per say but gets good mileage and works great with 8at transmission (although sometimes kicks in a little bit harsh while shifting between 2nd and 3rd).130 bhp for a small car such as this is pretty decent imo. Reliability on the other hand….
For 1.2 puretech engines; just use right engine oil coded "B71 2302 or B71 2297" These engine oils are formulated to avoid damaging the timing belt. Other than these engine oils that you think are of high quality will damage the belt. just use B71 2302 or B71 2297 PSA approved engine oils..
Hello, is it true the latest is 2312? I got an offer for the oil change and its b71- 2010 which is not good I think.
@@peterkiss7742 check the user manual; country group 1 -3 uses B71 2010/B712312.. counry group 4 uses B712302/B712297.. and country group 5 uses B71 2297.. Check your country in wich group from user manual..
Stimmt leider nicht auch bei korrekter Wartung mit richtigen Öl sind diese Motoren nicht zuverlässig schade eigentlich da Peugeot sonst sehr schöne Autos baut.
@@peterkiss7742
Teknik bilgiler
Araç bilgileri
231
Önerilen sıvılar ve yağlar
Gerekli motor yağı kalitesi
Ülke grupları 223
Ülke gruplan 1 ile 3 arasına giren ülkeler
EB2FA
EP6FDTM
EB2ADT
EB2DT
EB2ADTD
EC5F
EB2ADTS
DW10FC
EP6FADTXD
DV6D
DV5RC
DV5RD
DV6FD
DV5RE
DV6FE
Opel Orijinal motor yağı
B71 2010/B71 2312
B71 2312
Motor EC5F: B71 2290, B71 2296 veya B71 300 de kullanılabilir.
Ülke grubu 4'te yer alan ülkeler
tüm motorlar
Opel Orijinal motor yağı
B71 2302/B71 2297
Motor EC5F: B71 2296 veya B71 300 de kullanılabilir.
232 Teknik bilgiler
Ülke grubu 5'te yer alan ülkeler
tüm motorlar
Opel Orijinal motor yağı
B71 2297
Motor yağı viskozite dereceleri
Ülke grupları 223
B71 2010
B71 2312
B71 2302
B71 2297
Motor yağı viskozite sınıfı
SAE 0W-20
SAE 0W-30
SAE 0W-30
SAE 5W-30
@@mathiasschiesterl7538 yaklaşık 30 farklı model 1.2 Puretech motoru kullanıyor. Yanlış bişey olsa ülkenin sanayiciler birliği, otomobilciler federasyonu karşı çıkardı herhalde. Herkes klavye mühendisi.
Fascinating stuff 👌🏻
My strainer was removed former owner. And car cuts out in gear after 15 seconds. I’ve a number scanners. No codes out of it. Do you reckon should check the oil pump rate if scanner will tell me
Jim my nephew has a ds3 1.2 2015 puretech p1337 code reading I’ve changed the coil pack and spark plugs as they lithium been running ok for about 2 months and the problem has come back any suggestions mate
What's your opinion on vw 1.0 mpi engine?
I think you will end up with oil burning issues even if you do everything correctly. Probably with really tight oil change interval (like 5k km) you can avoid it but it's unknown as nobody does that. These engines are so cheap it doesn't make sense to open them up and change piston rings, at least if you are paying someone to do it. Regardless of all the issues this engine has, I enjoy working on it as everything is pretty easy to get to and work on.
How cheap is such an engine?
@@gicugigel3790I saw one for 1.1k € on Polish used parts market with 11k km on odometer
112.239km and no problems.. timing belt changed on 45.000.. it works like new...
What car and power level?
What about new Jeep avenger? 1.2 puretech with chain or the classic one? I ordered one and I 'm really confused !
The Puretech 1.2 110/130 turbo engine came out of factory with the wrong spark plugs (Bosch ZR6SPP3320) which were too hot causing miss firing,
plug failure, pre ignition problems and in some cases cylinder bore damage. PSA tried to sweep it under the carpet changing the plugs free as vehicles came in for service. Correct plugs are Bosch ZR5SPP3320(cooler).
As has been said correct oil must be used and changed annually, especially if low mileage and short trips to protect the cambelt. Oh and no oil additives or flush because they attack the belt.
I am in between this on a 208 and 1.0 eco tsi 95hp on a ibiza or 110 on a fabia
Apparently the new 1.2 puretech that started this year is revamped from the groundup and uses a chain instead.
So they decided to implement what Toyota did 8 years earlier on their 1.2 turbo petrol.
I've just bought the 408GT 2024 brand new. It's still a belt not chain
Got my belt changed at 32000 miles under warranty low oil pressure fault its done 57000 miles now and the same fault has came back hopefully i can get dealer to look at it but its out of warranty now 😢
Absolute nightmare
Just had one with blocked pump grill. Cleaned and fortunately pump seems ok.
However apart from the strip down nightmare to get to the belt, some models require you to remove the phaser cam pullies. The turbo models I think. These are sophisticated bits of kit and even one tooth out on fitting back and all kinds of error messages. I’m still trying to cure P0014 and P003c errors on bank 1.
Checked VVT solenoids and still no go. Starts and sounds superb. But after just one minutes drive it goes into limp mode.
If I had a car with this engine I would pass it on as soon as possible. Cam belt in oil?!!!!
WHAT!!!’
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Jim, I don't use my 1.2 turbo Cactus much as I am retired. Do you think I should take it for a short trip every now and again to keep the belt lubricated? If so how often and how far? Thanks.
Hi there, Im not sure whether that would make too much diffrence to the life dpan of the belt, but it cant hurt doing so aslong as its long enough to reach optimum engine temprature, a 15 min ish journey should be ok, it would probably help prevent the valve seals going hard and sticking though to be fair 👍 thanks for watching
@@ALLTHINGSJIM No problem, I found your video extremely informative and will periodically check it via the oil filler. I will make sure I do a couple of 30min open road journeys a month.
No need to, it's a synthetic polymer belt that doesn't require lubrication for long lifespan.
AFAIK the main problem happens when you use it for short rides without allowing the oil to get the optimum temp. When you start the engine and it's cold, the fuel enters the oil pan and mixes with the oil. If you don't get the engine hot, when you stop the engine and leave it for hours, the oil has not been able to evaporate the mixed fuel that it contains, so this small amount of fuel will degrade the belt. If you do it time after time, you will rapidly ruin the belt. People that use the right oil and change it no later than 15k kms, and their daily rides are, for example, for 15kms or more, they'll be delaying the main engine problem. These are the owners that will tell you "Hey, I've done 120k kms and the engine is fine!". The oil compsumption will likely happen, but much later. Also on ~2017 there was a silent ECU software update that improved the combustion in the engine, and many people that don't take their cars to the manufacturer for mantainment would have missed this update until the 2021 recall, so they probably forced the engine to get dirtier faster than other owners.
I bet you’ve got a review coming on the ford 1.0 ecoboost engine. Think they have 1 or 2 issues with them I believe.
How did you guess 🤣
Are the wet belt issues worse or better than on the ecoboost. Or about the same?
Geesh...that Ford EcoSport engine is awful
@@gamesmaster1060 They have the same issues but apparently the failure rate is higher on the puretech engines
hi i had a crosslabd x 1.2 turbo puretec 2020.after suffering and motor damaged i get a new one from psa 2023 .they said that new cam belt design never made that problem again because of new cam belt design .is that true they say that new engibe had a new part number than old one . i fear from that engine all the time
A mechanic told me they are now using timing chains, not timing belts.
That should fix the problem
Got a disabled friend with a Citroen C3 Aircross bought brand new late 2018, main dealer serviced by the book and currently on around 30k.
He gets me to check his levels every 3 weeks or so and it usually needs a top up of oil and there is no leak.
My 2003 Jaguar XJ6 on the other hand on 120k miles doesn't use a drop between yearly oil changes, which is usually around 3-4k miles.
I warned him when he was looking around to buy it, steer well clear of small overstressed turbocharged engines, producing ridiculously high bhp per litre.
My instincts proven correct!
Direct injection gasoline engines 😢
If you want check PCV valve.Causes oil consumption
P c valve . I drive a 1997 ford escort . All electric bits removed injector pump earlier model . No abs ,only bit I keep original is the airbag . Modern cars with electronics nothing but problems .. give me seat 600 or a old ford cortina maybe even a Allegro. But come on wet timing belt ??
Have a peugeot 2008, and it's due its first service at 12k miles currently at 7400 miles only topping up engine coolant and some oil very little it put in castrol edge? It maybe had 100ml since new
Don't use Castrol Edge.. Castrol doesn't have oil for 1.2 Puretech engine.. Castrol Edge is high quality oil but not for 1.2 Puretech.. Castrol Edge probably harm your timing belt. Use PSA approved B71 2297 coded oil only..
@orhan14oglu yeah, I've bought total energies quartz 0w-30 it's just been serviced and runs very well
@@MelchizedekKohen yeah Total İneo HTC is fine..
What do you think about 1.3 renault meganes turbo engine with 140 hp?
To be honest I havent came across one yet to be able give you an opinion
Is it possible to change timing belt in this king of engines per a timing chain in the In the official workshop of the brand?
Im not 100% sure on what youve asked.... if its - is it possible to change from a timing belt to a chain? then my answer is I havent seen one that has and I dont know if there is a conversion kit available BUT newer ones coming out have switched to a chain and hydraulic tensioner setup so mabie someone will make a conversion kit at some point 👍
@@ALLTHINGSJIM i think it could be the best option
is there a PCV on these engines (I have 1.2 year 2018) that you can clean out? It's using a lot of oil and has only done 40000 miles
You have to buy the whole head to replace it, its a sealed unit! The cost from Peugeot is £300 plus, and the cost to fit it!
That doesn't sound too bad@@lennonpolo. Local garage wanted £2500 on a guess that it 's the piston-rings that are to blame
What dod you think is better this or the 1.0 t-gdi i hope i don't spend too juch money on maintenance, be on top of it but not get bankrupt
Hi!, ive not had many dealings with the 1.0 t-gdi, is that the ones found in the hyundai / kia? From what ive read power wise its not as nippy / powerfull BUT far exceeds the reliability and comes with a massive warrenty. Which if true would personally would be my preffered choice, so puretech vs what ive read about the t-gdi it would be the t-gdi for me.... just do some research and look on forums for common faults between the two to help you make your choice 👍
Is anyone happy with this Engine 1.2 Puretech ? Or manage to do high milleage without any issues ? 🤔 I mean its all Horror Stories 😬
Yes, I did 80,000 miles in mine. My Son has it now and it's on 85,000. Absolutely reliable. Didn't need oil top-ups between services until about 65,000 miles. Now needs 0.5 litre top-up between services (15,000 miles). The car has been serviced by main dealer from new. I drove it hard and it has been across Europe a few times, fully loaded up. Brilliant car & engine. My Wife has one too, now done 40,000 miles with no trouble.
I had the cambelt & water pump changed at 65,000 miles.
@@pauladams5673 if you dont mind me asking what is the make of the car & year ?
I'm the 2nd owner of a 3008 mk1 (facelift version from 2015) with a 1.2 puretech engine. I currently have 124k km on it and I'm getting "low engine oil level" errors every 200 km.
Mechanic will start work on it in a few days. Next time I'll just buy a Mazda with a petrol engine, they're almost bulletproof. If only I'd done my research sooner...
I have Opel Corsa F 2020 model 130hp/230Nm. As of today it have 55,000km (around 34,000 miles). No problems what so ever so far. Next week i have my 4th service check and oil change. But in my country the service check and oil change is every 15,000 km not 15,000 miles. I think that 15,000 miles is too much (24k km).
I wouldn’t have another one, though, admittedly, I did high mileage. I had a 14 plate Peugeot 308 with the 1.2 Puretech 130hp engine. I bought it in 2017 with c24k miles. Sold it 3.5 years later with c130k miles. By then, it was burning a lot of oil, I was probably topping it up every 1,500 miles. The 3 cylinder engine just wasn’t up to it. Maybe if you do 5-10,000 miles/year in a small car it would be ok.
You want a bullet proof engine? get an old Ford 'Kent' crossflow.
I only found out about this litte gem of a problem AFTER I bought a Peugeot!!! Who thought that it was a good idea to put a rubber belt inside an engine FFS?!?!?!?!??????? Checking my vehicle history the other day, I discovered that it has had a new belt AND oil pump fitted and I'm only the 3rd owner from new! It's a 2017 car on a 66 plate. One previous owner racked up over 20,000 miles in 1 year. This will be the shortest time I've owned a car and after this one, I'm going back to a Toyota!
I like to stick to older Peugeot diesels. The 2.0 HDi and good old 1.9 XUD engines are bulletproof
It did on my citeron C4 cactus rip curl it got service on feb then damage engine on April? Citeron had to replace engine nearly five grand free on 24000 miles?
Ouch, glad they sorted it for you though 👍
@@ALLTHINGSJIM yes it was a problem because you have to make sure you take it to a citeron dealer every service with evidence? Because they wasn't going to do it with out service history.
This problem Is also in the new cars of 2021-2022 ( like the new Peugeot 208)?
Yes
@@sockygeo 24?
Should i keep it or get an toyota auris or honda insight im looking at those atm and selling the Peugeot off
You can't go wrong with a Honda or a Toyota. 👌
Honda have problems with fuel contaminating and thinn8ng the engine oil, avoid
@@volt8684 Both Honda and Toyota HAD that problem in their turbocharged engines but quickly fixed the issue and the affected cars got and extended warranty and engines replaced so, no, not to avoid. ✌️
@@volt8684 ive ended up with mazda6 2.0 litre petrol naturally aspirated, its been going strong for the past 6 months
@@tiagofigueiredo2529 You can.......but they dont have this particular issue
Do somebody know if the engine of the new opel corsa 2024 1.2, 75kw automatic , comes with wet belt or chain?
AFAIK only the 136PS mild hybrid got the new engine with chain.
I saw another video talking about this engine and they say that cars with this engine built in 2023 already come with a new timing belt (more resistant to oil maybe). Do you know something about that ???
The brand new ones come with a chain now I believe depending on the build date, i will make an update video when I come across one in the wild 👍
@@ALLTHINGSJIM that's about time they fix this problem. Looking forward to see that video. I was thinking about buying a brand new Peugeot 308 with this engine but when I knew this issue with the belt I held back. Thank you for answering.
@@ALLTHINGSJIM interesting I've a 2008 gt getting built atm hopefully it comes with the change
I've just ordered a new 2008 1.2 130ps and am starting to worry a bit about what I see on the Internet on these wet belt puretech engines..
@jdmguy44 ordered mine in April, and I'm getting the new 2024 version. If you just ordered, you will get the same one the GT? right? mine is built and on its way to the uk. New versions have a chain instead of a belt. If in doubt, go speak to your dealership they have all the information you need
Does anyone know what coolant should be used in this engine (eb2adts)? The current one is between orange and brown. There is nothing clear in the User Manual either.
Coolant colors have varied, as I see, every coolant uses every color. So, filling with red or similar color may causes issue.
Any good quality coolant will work. This is just a normal car engine, not a spaceship. I use G12 (Pink), others use G33 (green or blue).
It usually is a B71 5110 coolant but check what it says in the manual. It should say Bradol or Arteco Freecor DSC, or just "lobrid" coolant.
Motul has a specific 5110 spec (OAT lobrid), as does Valeo. Will be more expensive.
Mannol AF13++ 4015 pre-mixed fits the same type of lobrid coolant but is not tested to PSA spec.
Color doesnt matter, Stellantis uses yellow or blue in vehicles. Maybe other if they change suppliers.
Do not use PSi Hybrid OAT like VW G12Evo, as those are against recommendations.
@@tiagomnm thanks a lot for answer. I'm thinking about to refresh coolant completely on next winter.
Unfortunately, users manual doesnt give any info for oil and coolant type. Really weird.
@@GTC1357 You're welcome. I found it very hard to find.
Coolant type should be on some sheets regarding engine types and what oil to use. Have you downloaded the online manual?
As per maintenance sheet, need to regularly test the PH (not sure how, I check if close to original) and change every four years.
Ask for the maintenance sheet at an official dealer. It will help you a lot on maintenance.
@@tiagomnm I only have a users guide which given on purchasing car.
Official service shop hasnt got any idea for true liquids. They just fill up with Total or Eurorepar products.
Even i saw, they adding tap water to coolant tank. Thats why i have suspicions with 2 years old cars coolant 😅
Did they add a timing chain in the new models?
I was told they did.
the dealers dont come forward with the info mr arnold clark
Simply put. You don't put hot oil near nowhere near rubber or nylon belts. Period.
For got to say psa now do a uprated cam belt totally different compounds 110 apx inc vat bacuse they now its a fail point
The same issue as Ford's ecoboom engine.
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Are you sure? The ecoboost engines of Ford seems to have good reputation I thought?
@@salimmetin he is sure, google it
do you recommend not using an engine flush then?
No I wouldnt recommend using them, I along with a few other techs believe they dry the wet belts out too much with the harsh chemicals in them causing the belt to break down, youd be much better off changing the oil more frequently 👍
@@ALLTHINGSJIM that was my thought thanks for the quick reply. Just bought one for the wife and even though serviced " not a chance " I'm doing it all myself with the correct oil for peace of mind. Thanks for taking time to reply cheers Paul
Never use an engine flush. There is just no need to and will only ever cause harm to any engine, rather than fix anything. Engine oil itself has detergents within it to keep the engine clean.
Our puretec 1.2 T requires cambelt change after 28k miles 😮
Doesnt suprise me unfortunately, if you use an oil flush on your services then id stop as it may be that causing it to prematurely disintergrate 👍
@@ALLTHINGSJIM I had to pay £1200 for my sons C4 cactus to have the belt replaced i am gathering info to take citroen to the small claims court to recover the cost of repair which they refuse to pay or even a good will gesture .
So if you service it properly with the right stuff at the right time you shouldn't run into problems with that kind of engine?
Unfortunately at some point you probably will, however its hoped that it would delay the belt break up and sump strainer blocking until the next belt change, the best bet is to also pay the extra 1hr labour plus silicone price during the cambelt change to remove the sump and get the strainer cleaned at the same time to prevent further / future headaches 👍
@@ALLTHINGSJIMThen, what would be the estimated cost for the replacement of timing belt and etc?
I am thinking buying a car with 1.2 puretech and 130hp but its burning oil. What could be the problem and how expensive could it be?
My advice would be dont. Walk away and forget about it if its burning oil. These engines are not very good or reliable, could be anything from piston rings, valve blowby or a simple case of oil dilution or a leak but most the time in these engines you will end up eventually having to rip apart and rebuild the engine or replace it
@@ALLTHINGSJIM Ok I will walk away from this and thanks for advice.
My gut feeling when I heard about these engines was that they'd be a wrongun, before I heard actual reports.
130hp out a turbocharged 3 cylinder engine was never going to be a reliable road engine, even before the wetbelt issues are thought about.
They are built to pass increasingly unreachable emission regulations, at the expense of long term reliability.
Friction has to be reduced wherever possible, by for instance using race type thin piston rings, which were never meant to last more than a season between engine rebuilds.
Does anyone know if the 1.2 VTi also 3 Cylinder is a wetbelt. .
Yes it is, i changed the belt on mine at 40,000 miles just to be safe, and will have it changed again at 80,000 miles, i learnt my lesson with the Ford TDCI wet belt engine, i learnt the hard way,
Have new cars with this engine the same problemn? Thanks
Well there is a new model / version of this engine which does infact now have a chain but ive only seen a few so far, but all belt driven ones will have this problem at some point yes 👍
@@ALLTHINGSJIMonly hibrids have chein and new gear box from powertraina
@ALLTHINGSJIM if we are talking about a new peugeot would you suggest the 1.2 puretech 100hp or the 1.0 TSI (208 vs fabia)
Follow the successful recipe of Japanese and Korean manufacturers, make simple and durable engines easy to maintain, don't destroy your reputation and fame of your companies
Nothing's up, Jim, why do you ask?
I live in a tiny place in the middle of nowhere, i think we've had 10 of these fuckers go boom just this year. Totally awful crappy things, same with the ford 1.0 ones. Trash, like all new cars, really
Une courroie dans l huile c est pas bon du tout !!!!!!
Worst engine EVER
Honestly, I’m fed up of these shit 1.2 engines, they’re put in to the new sporty looking cars that look like it’s got bite but won’t pull your foreskin back. I find them just so boring and if you enjoy driving your knackered. You can’t get a bigger Astra than a 1.2 unless you go electric.
Simple answer, dont touch this engine. Let alone the car brands which are selling it. Buy a normal engine ffs.
Not so easy to do that
Who on earth came up with such a dumb design - a wet timing belt REALLY 😂
Its just a bad idea end of story. Why can't everyone just say it as it is???
Pure tech............Pure junk more like!
run the other way if you see car with this engine :D .
My strainer was removed former owner. And car cuts out in gear after 15 seconds. I’ve a number scanners. No codes out of it. Do you reckon should check the oil pump rate if scanner will tell me