I've been digging the channel for a while Cory, good stuff. With the latest flood of content from everyone and their brother I'm glad to find quality shops producing stuff worth it's salt. I've been in the industry for around 15 years and spent over 5 of it in the screen supply industry stretching large static frames for the auto-industry. I started with newman rollers and moved to static, so I'm quite excited about these, I mean you can't really argue the value, the foot print and the tension. Going from 20-22 to 30 newtons is incredible.
Thanks Jon. I started this channel for the same reason I started my shop - I felt I could contribute in a unique way! So thank you for watching. And yes I’m pumped on the frames, I always thought about getting rollers but you’re right, the space and maintenance is a killer. I’m really thinking this will hit the sweet spot.
Loved the video. I look forward to an update on these. I’m curious how they hold tension over time. Also which mesh did you buy. The thin thread or regular?
100% thin thread here. Like any static, that tension will start dropping. But starting at 30n means it’ll have a lot more useful life than starting at 21n. I feel like we’re going to be kicking these out for many issues other than tension. Pumped on it. Definitely will provide an update after a couple weeks. My biggest concerns are the dip tank.
Is everything in Canada that much more expensive? 60 CAD to USD is ~$48. My static screens are $12-$24 *I am sure it varies across the countriy(s). I m pretty far from Winterpeg.
Yo! I don’t think I’ve had many of them past 20ish reclaims yet but I haven’t seen any popping that’s coming from the strips. The ones that have broken seem clean inside! It’s really similar to the way Newman roller frames are taped, so I don’t think it’s gunna be a problem.
The House of Garb hmm, squareness or flatness? I have always heard of statics not being flat and it can be a huge problem with rollers so that was something i watched for with these. It’s part of the reason the table is stainless too, makes it a bit easier to check for skewing. One big difference is that the frames are heavier and stronger, which I think is gunna help it hold those higher tensions. Making sure your channels and mesh are straight is key though. A crooked panel will either pop in the frame if you’re lucky, or give you hard-to-trace problems on press if it makes it that far haha.
I was thinking more of squareness. It looked like they night be difficult to clamp into a manual. I use side clams but i still need a good flat surface to clamp onto.
Oh yeah for sure. One thing I realize I didn’t mention is the downsides. Weight is one of them but sideclamps will help you a ton. It doesn’t seem to have as wide a clamping area as a typical static, but work around that further up the process like putting your films on more consistently.
This is a tricky one now that we’re switching to higher tensions. Our statics seem to settle around 20n, and then slowly dip down. I’ve seen them as low as 14n. We mark them at 19n so they don’t get used in multicolour jobs, then kick them out at 17n. It made a huge difference in chasing registration problems caused by inconsistent mesh. But now with the eco frames I’m seeing them settle around 25n for the 160s, I expect I’ll want to put new panels in around 20n. High tension is one thing, but consistent tension between screens for a job makes a big difference and is something that can be controlled. Just keeping your similar tensions together won’t make them last longer, but will keep things simpler on press.
Sorry for the double comment, still thinking about this though. Besides the weight, your comment might be one of the only downsides. I didn’t consider it at all until you mentioned it because we never save screens, always firing them through reclaim a day later.
@@CoryFloodwayPrintCo most of my business is repeat so i hold on to most. But I really like that tension factor tho. Maybe I'll just get a few for the underbase stuff. Anyway, sounds like this system is great for your situtation w/ all the reclaiming. Not to mention you can prolly fit a bunch of the mesh pcs in a dip tank at the same time for faster reclaims. Thx for the info bud. appreciate ur time.
@@printittowinit Is this what you're trying to do? czcams.com/video/q5tgJTwDNPw/video.html I've had the frames for about 2 months but I have not had the time to get into them yet but plan to use them on some of my designs I'm constantly reprinting. So far I try to save popular designs as long as possible but occasionally orders come in where I need to use all available screens of a particular size and getting new screens won't come in enough time. If you're trying to save and remesh a multi-color job I doubt it's worth the hassle unfortunately
@@unfltrdpassion Hey bud thank you for the reply. Yes I was wondering about remeshing mulit color jobs and whether or not they would register. But sounds like it's not a good idea, except for single color jobs.
We could not have said it better ourselves. Glad they're benefiting you a ton!
Thanks! Now we just gotta get them working with the ROQ presses and CTS units y'all sell!
I have been using this type of frame for years and i love them they are the only frames i use. I use the click frame
They are great!! Distribution seems better than ever so I’m glad more people are using them now. They seem to be super popular now, love it.
I've been digging the channel for a while Cory, good stuff. With the latest flood of content from everyone and their brother I'm glad to find quality shops producing stuff worth it's salt. I've been in the industry for around 15 years and spent over 5 of it in the screen supply industry stretching large static frames for the auto-industry. I started with newman rollers and moved to static, so I'm quite excited about these, I mean you can't really argue the value, the foot print and the tension. Going from 20-22 to 30 newtons is incredible.
Thanks Jon. I started this channel for the same reason I started my shop - I felt I could contribute in a unique way! So thank you for watching. And yes I’m pumped on the frames, I always thought about getting rollers but you’re right, the space and maintenance is a killer. I’m really thinking this will hit the sweet spot.
Loved the video. I look forward to an update on these. I’m curious how they hold tension over time. Also which mesh did you buy. The thin thread or regular?
100% thin thread here. Like any static, that tension will start dropping. But starting at 30n means it’ll have a lot more useful life than starting at 21n. I feel like we’re going to be kicking these out for many issues other than tension. Pumped on it. Definitely will provide an update after a couple weeks. My biggest concerns are the dip tank.
Great video
Thank you 👊🏼
Is everything in Canada that much more expensive?
60 CAD to USD is ~$48.
My static screens are $12-$24
*I am sure it varies across the countriy(s). I m pretty far from Winterpeg.
Depends, there’s lot of cheaper mesh. To get a 23” x 31” static to the door, with Saati hidro thin thread mesh works out to about $60 each.
@@CoryFloodwayPrintCo Is the thin thread mesh worth it? Next time I get some re-stretched, I want to try some.
Hey Cory, Thanks for the video. How are the screens after you reclaim them? any build up of product/chemicals in the channel strips at all? Thanks
Yo! I don’t think I’ve had many of them past 20ish reclaims yet but I haven’t seen any popping that’s coming from the strips. The ones that have broken seem clean inside! It’s really similar to the way Newman roller frames are taped, so I don’t think it’s gunna be a problem.
how well do these frames lock into your press, they didn't seem to be as square as a static frame.
The House of Garb hmm, squareness or flatness? I have always heard of statics not being flat and it can be a huge problem with rollers so that was something i watched for with these.
It’s part of the reason the table is stainless too, makes it a bit easier to check for skewing. One big difference is that the frames are heavier and stronger, which I think is gunna help it hold those higher tensions.
Making sure your channels and mesh are straight is key though. A crooked panel will either pop in the frame if you’re lucky, or give you hard-to-trace problems on press if it makes it that far haha.
I was thinking more of squareness. It looked like they night be difficult to clamp into a manual. I use side clams but i still need a good flat surface to clamp onto.
Oh yeah for sure. One thing I realize I didn’t mention is the downsides. Weight is one of them but sideclamps will help you a ton. It doesn’t seem to have as wide a clamping area as a typical static, but work around that further up the process like putting your films on more consistently.
Great video! What "newton number" or value do you see when it's time to retire a screen?
This is a tricky one now that we’re switching to higher tensions. Our statics seem to settle around 20n, and then slowly dip down. I’ve seen them as low as 14n. We mark them at 19n so they don’t get used in multicolour jobs, then kick them out at 17n. It made a huge difference in chasing registration problems caused by inconsistent mesh. But now with the eco frames I’m seeing them settle around 25n for the 160s, I expect I’ll want to put new panels in around 20n. High tension is one thing, but consistent tension between screens for a job makes a big difference and is something that can be controlled. Just keeping your similar tensions together won’t make them last longer, but will keep things simpler on press.
Interesting setup. Is it possible to remove mesh with an exposed design and then put it back on later?
Unfortunately no. But on the other hand a dialled reclaim process would probably be a little simpler and quicker.
Sorry for the double comment, still thinking about this though. Besides the weight, your comment might be one of the only downsides. I didn’t consider it at all until you mentioned it because we never save screens, always firing them through reclaim a day later.
@@CoryFloodwayPrintCo most of my business is repeat so i hold on to most. But I really like that tension factor tho. Maybe I'll just get a few for the underbase stuff. Anyway, sounds like this system is great for your situtation w/ all the reclaiming. Not to mention you can prolly fit a bunch of the mesh pcs in a dip tank at the same time for faster reclaims. Thx for the info bud. appreciate ur time.
@@printittowinit Is this what you're trying to do? czcams.com/video/q5tgJTwDNPw/video.html
I've had the frames for about 2 months but I have not had the time to get into them yet but plan to use them on some of my designs I'm constantly reprinting. So far I try to save popular designs as long as possible but occasionally orders come in where I need to use all available screens of a particular size and getting new screens won't come in enough time.
If you're trying to save and remesh a multi-color job I doubt it's worth the hassle unfortunately
@@unfltrdpassion Hey bud thank you for the reply. Yes I was wondering about remeshing mulit color jobs and whether or not they would register. But sounds like it's not a good idea, except for single color jobs.