Ferrari F40 Restoration Part 3 - Myth-Busting Carbon Fibre | Tyrrell's Classic Workshop
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- Prepare to be captivated by the next chapter in our Ferrari F40 restoration saga! Join us for Part 3 of the F40 restoration story as Iain is joined by automotive paint maestro, Ryan Ennion from Cheshire Prestige Paintworks. Together, they unravel the mysteries surrounding the Ferrari F40's Kevlar and carbon fibre body and paintwork.
In this episode, we're debunking myths and answering burning questions. How thin is the paint on the legendary F40? Can you truly glimpse the carbon fibre weave beneath that sleek layer of paint? Prepare to be surprised as Ryan lends his expertise to unveil the truth.
But that's not all! Get ready for a fascinating twist as Ryan makes a curious discovery involving another Italian car that's notably less exotic. The intricate details and surprises that come with restoration are all part of the journey, and we're thrilled to share every moment with you.
Join us as we celebrate the artistry of automotive paint, the intricacies of painting Kevlar and carbon fibre, and the relentless pursuit of perfection that defines the restoration of a Ferrari F40.
Whether you're an automotive aficionado, a Ferrari enthusiast, or simply captivated by the magic of restoration, this episode is a must-watch. Brace yourself for a captivating blend of expertise, discovery, and the undeniable allure of the iconic Ferrari F40.
Join us as we continue our extraordinary journey of restoration. Let's celebrate the legacy, beauty, and dedication that make the Ferrari F40 an automotive masterpiece.
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00:00 Introduction
00:53 Busting some F40 myths
16:03 How light is light?
18:20 Here's one Ferrari made earlier
19:12 Does your car have Ferrari parts?
19:50 Outro
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The fact of having it laid out like a toy car, delightful
It's a sad and criminal truth that most of us can only ever have a toy model of one.
I bought the Bburago version, took it apart, detailed it and put it back together. Was great fun.
@@dtrain1634 Airfix F40 🙄
@@hughoxford8735 a friend of mine had that one in the late 80's scale 1:18 if I remember well.
I was thinking about the risk of it being trodden on... like a toy car!
One of the things I've learned over the years is that by using a "two tone" system of paint primer before shooting the final colour can very much affect the final result.
By spraying a darker primer on the lower panels and following a belt line or an obvious dropping off spot, and then spraying lighter primer on the upper panels, the effect is make the car appear to sit lower. The effect is more pronounced with "candy colours" where we would shoot a metal flake primer coat in gold or champagne tones with a silver above. Then spray the colour coats over that base.
For solid colour paints with no metallic flake I personally prefer spraying over dark primer because I find the colours "glow" with more luster and depth.
nice story but solid paints if its a lighter paint colour you want a lighter primer
When I first started watching I thought, "Blimey, Iain's bought a bloomin' big Tamya kit!"
Thanks again for scratching my automotive nerdiness. You and Jay are my favorite classic vehicle channels.
I 'd add Steve Magnante's channel too.
@@tumblelake63 And Harry Metcalfe.
My grandfather fabricated spitfires during WW2, he said they stripped the paint off them later in the war, then applied a thin single coat. It saved a few kgs in weight, made them a little faster🧐
G-IRTY is flying in polished aluminium. It looks gorgeous like that.
I can’t get tired of watching your videos … once again I've been educated … it’s a pleasure to see the F40 but also the Lamborghini Espada or just the front fairing of Kevin Schwantz Suzuki RGV 500 cc…. Thank You 👌
Loved the aerial view of a dismantled F-40. Beautiful!
Iain your love for these cars really shows in all your videos but this one especially. It's a child-like enthusiasm in the best sense of the word. The "exploded diagram" arrangement is just the sort of thing we'd do as kids with our model cars. It's lovely to share in your delight.
These videos are always spectacular!
Seeing the F40 laid out like that is amazing.
LOVE your Videos every time again.... calm and quiet Presentation, no stupid Music, no stupid Camera shaking like all the others. Just Pictures talk and your Stories and Interview Partners. THANKS A LOT !!!
I LOVE the staged components! Very cool!
Even in bits the F40 is absolutely, stunningly beautiful.
Is this the only place in the world us mere mortals get to see stuff like this? Excellent work chaps👏
Magic - looked just like a good Airfix model ready to be assembled. Your videos keep getting better and better. Thank you.
Ryan has got the most contagious, cheerful laugh!
Great as always, people do often forget the relationship between the Dino, 308, 288 GTO, F40 and the 328. It's probably the platform that Ferrari got it most money's worth from...
I would love some more education on the relationship between the 308 and F40!
They had several kids together. 🤔
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Love the bottle opener, swinging in the background.
Interestingly on the side repeater /indicator light,the F40 was manufactured from 1987 to 1992,the Fiat Punto from 1993-,so if parts sharing did happen then its likely the Punto got the F40 light and not the other way round.
You are correct, but interestingly that light first appeared on the mark 2 punto in 1999!
Most likely it came from an earlier Fiat model, as Ferrari has used off the shelf Fiat products for decades.
@@ingvarhallstrom2306 I think it was used on the Fiat 124 in the 70's.
@@vibingwithvinyl Fiat 127 from those years have also been mentioned in other threads. It's a fantastic bit of Trivia that Fiat (and Ferrari) used the same components for over thirty years.
I absolutely love the nerdy bits! The weight comparison between doors... The paint mysteries explained... The Fiat lights! Marvelous.
I love those overhead "exploded view" shots! Stunning stuff.
It’s so terrific to get this level of insight, but with the car in front of you, not someone pontificating (as happens all too often with cars at this higher level). This channel is a joy.
Interesting that you note about the turbos... here we had, (and I still have on an older diesel SUV) 'Turbo savers", timers that allowed you to turn off ignition, exit and lock the vehicle, and the diesel continued to idle for a priod you set on the saver... 1, 2, 3 or 4 minutes in my case. Also in the trucking industry, with the big turbos on the older trucks, they had a reservoir of oil pressurised from oil pressure( with an air gap in the top to maintain pressure) fitted connected to the turbo with a one way valve so that pressure was maintained after stopping.
It might have been new tec for Ferrari in the late eighties. But I was working with carbon fibre and epoxy resigns back in 1970 and they were not brand new then, Development went back well into the sixties trying to develop turbine blades for Concorde. these blades were tested by running up to speed and feeding frozen chickens through them. The car industry was a very late starter with carbon probably due to the snob factor over GRP bodies.
Not to mention boatbuilding where Kevlar, vacuum bagging, and highest quality resin formulations were introduced in the 1980s.
@@davecohn5546 Dave we were building canoes from carbon back in 1970 in fact the person that introduced me to the material had built a canoe from carbon and drove a double decker bus over it to demonstrate it's strength, there is some super eight film kicking about somewhere.We were not vacuum bagging or building large scale the carbon and epoxy were just too expensive, I was first introduced to Kevlar in the form of woven tape in 1972 again extremely expensive and not massively useful for canoe production.
That was amazing, 2 mega geeks just enjoying a chat and the knowledge is off the charts. We are spoiled Mr Tyrrell... thank you and the people you share with us.
Love the info. I have a F40 that I got a year ago and work on some restoration stuff that I can.
Find the car easy to work on with standard tools.
I remember visiting Glevaragill’s Edinburgh showroom around 1996/7 and on sale was an F40 for £103k and a brand new 355 for £98k. Even then I was astonished anyone would pick the marginally cheaper car over the mighty F40! Such a dramatic car.
Most captivating again. All main elements showing on the floor almost as a building kit is spiffing amusing in an odd way. Odd in the sense that we are watching a value laying there of well over a million US$ or two... Spectacular. Thank you both for the insights Iian and Ryan. Lovely.
My 348 being a euro model has those repeaters as well, the steering column stalks (headlights, indicators and so forth) is 100% Lanica among other things.......Always good to see a F40 in detail...
I like the way you have laid the whole car out like a Revell model kit.
Is anyone else comforted tremendously by these facts:
A) there is a bottle opener hanging on a string in the background of the opening discussion
And
2) it’s swinging as if it were just recently used.
This is like a third Michelin star in the car restoration industry.
I say it every time. Can you belive that we get this quality content for free? Thank you Ian and team!!!
I'd love to see how that rear polycarbonate window is bonded to the clamshell.
Pizza dough
As informative, interesting and humourous as always. Your videos are one of lifes pleasures, thank you for making this. May the road rise with you.
You can see the texture of the weave for sure on them, I didn't realize that was a factor of time. Great details.
The gems just fall from the sky in droves in this one.... WOW
Utterly fantastic - haven't been as absorbed since viewing Brian Hatton's cutaway drawings in Autocar/ Motor and before that, the cutaways of every kind of vehicle in The Eagle.
Those overhead shots are wild! It’s like an Airfix F40! ❤
Nerding out like this on classic super cars is just so, so very good. Thank you, Iain.
The best restoration blog on the Internet!
The F40 is one of those classic cars that just never ages in my eyes. I'd give anything to be able to own one of those beautiful machines, it's almost a work of art in my eyes.
It really is a work of art - quite possibly the most best looking car ever, in my opinion
Laying out an F40
What a joy
Another epic video from TCW
It looked a bit like a Transformer from the 1980s! A lot of myths exposed, but at least it’s never been crashed. Great video 😀
The best most beautifully filmed/explained garage series on the internet.
Haven't watched this yet, but am excited to see what's in this one. Thanks Ian and crew.
Do you remember when car people looked forward to Top Gear on a Sunday evening, that was, this is very much now 👌
Absolutely LOVE the channel. I have to say I am not sure anyone I know was under the impression that you could actually see through the paint at the carbon weave. The weave pattern itself was basically embossing the paint above it is what. i thought that was the common knowledge. Will you be at Pebble next week?
I think ingegnere Materazzi would be happy to see one of his greatest creations so loved by car lovers like us.
The best to you, "esperto calcolatore".
Best wishes.
I really really enjoyed this debunking the myths of the F40, with a degree of kindness to the current owner of such cars. Ever since I saw my first F40 I felt the paint finish was incredibly poor. Not uncommon for any Ferrari of the period really , great engines and looks and sound, but everything else is rather questionable, especially when you take into consideration the price. ❤ The sharing of parts within the Fiat group as it was then and until more current times was very common, Ferrari, Alfa Romeo, Maserati have always shared a lot of components.
CRAZY! The door so light!
All I saw and to quote James May...a “geography of parts”..beautifully presented!
Thanks to the entire team for taking the time to film these videos for us; it’s seriously appreciated. Must say, learning about the “finishing hallmarks” of the real 1:1 F40 makes me feel much better about what I always suspected was quality issues with my 1:64 Hot Wheels model…😅
I remember building a friends sons F40 model years ago.
You boys have a full-sized one, a few more bits, a lot more money but oh my God - it looks just the same but from higher up.
Fantastic to learn even more about the F40.
Thank you Iain and all.
Another masterclass restoration video. I learn so much from these episodes. All the little "nerdy" details of the design of the Ferrari F40, the reasons why the some of these details were made and the cheeky facts about the chassis design going back to the 1950s. Shhhhhhh!
Doesn't take away from how wonderful the F40 is and how ground-breaking it was at the time. Thanks, again Iain and Ryan!
Inspiring, informative and beautiful episode! Thank you Tyrell team!
One small correction If I may. The Ferrari repeaters are the same with Fiat Coupe and Alfa 155 wide body, but do not match the Punto ones! The Punto mk.2 has a similar in shape repeaters, but a bit larger and rougher.
Thank you for sharing this video Iain!
I never realised that the F40 had the underpinnings from the 308. I have worked with carbon and Kevlar in superyachts and it really is an amazing material.
Ian, Ryan. Thank you so much for this video. Finally confirming my thoughts regarding the weave on the paintwork. I'm building a sport quattro replica and am attempting to recreate the weave following paint sink. The info here has confirmed why I thought the weave occurred and gives me some confidence that what I am doing should achieve the desired effect. Love the channel. !
Would love to follow the process of the Quattro. Is it being documented anywhere? Massive audi fanatic, and while I’ve had old and new, the old are what brings me the most joy
@@AB-jo1pe Have you come across the You Tube channel Sport Quattro @sportquattro86? It's a British guy in Australia creating a Sport Quattro in his garage from various donor cars - and a lot of cutting and welding. Very interesting and amusing!
This channel, Iain, his knowledge, and his team is quite simply..perfect!
Delighted to see you're also highlighting structural aspects in your clips!
I believe the brown core material is not aluminium though, but rather based on aramid paper such as Nomex material.
You can see the carbon fibe texture.
An F40 with a Tubi Style exhaust came to The Ace Cafe a while back. You could clearly see the texture of the weave all over not just on one or two places. Its what makes it for me, looks wise.
I was fortunate to have seen a new F40 back in the Day, a friend of my Boss at Mocheck Clapham, he turned up, and as he parked up, he popped all the panels to let us see the internals. You COULD see the weave, underneath the paint, 100% remember at the time, and working with exotic motorcycles, I had an eye for these details and memories !
I don’t think they understand what people mean by “seeing the weave.” No one is seeing black unpainted carbon fiber, it’s simply the texture of the weave still being perceptible in the top coat of paint. You can see the texture quite clearly e en in this video. People think it’s because the paint is thin, it’s simply because there no gel coat and it would take abnormally thick and very many coats of paint to try to hide the weave. That’s the myth, not the visibility of the weave pattern in the final finish.
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Mocheck, now that brings back memories. I remember it well next to that huge mansion style house. Last time I went by, there was a sad looking second hand car seller in its place.
*Loved the opening shot, gave a real perspective of the components*
It's so fascinating to hear you talk about what a turbo can do! Just fantastic to listen to! Thank you to you both! 😉😊👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
i rember as a kid going a 1/25 scale model of a F40 and had all the parts spread out just like that! so awesome to see it for real! thanks IT and gang, once again such a great history/nerdy vid! love!
As an aircraft structures engineer specialising in metal composite and carbon repairs. The bubbling delam is more likely just the upper skin adhesive failure.
It’s just a straight forward core replacement and hot bond (250f) composite repair. Interesting though as aircraft at the time of the F40 are very similar!
Cheers to Ryan and Cheshire Prestige Paintworks. I'd repeat myself but it's just amazing the amount of passion and professional work that you guys put into this. ❤
Just amazing!!!! Just 6 hours ago this amazing video is pop up!!!
When people say they can see the weave, I took it to mean they could see the weave pattern through the paint, which you certainly can, not the actual carbon fibre itself.
I see why Gordan Murray compared it to a kit car, but on the bright side, it shows that a car doesn't have to be complicated to be fun.
The more I learn about the F40, the more I love the car. I've zero interest in hybrid drivetrain, launch control or torque vectoring, for me modern Ferrari's seem dull in comparison - this is a true classic and never to be beaten. Loving this series, thank you for the latest instalment.
Yeah, this and the F50 were the last "old-school" supercars w/o trac/stab control, ABS, etc. along with being purposely raw. Along with the McLaren F1 (though not raw)
I don’t think people thought you could see the black weave but more that you could still see the texture
Great video, this makes perfect sense with the paint. Very deceiving on selling another the car, saying it’s original paint, meanwhile it’s just been painted a year or two before. Such a killer car either way, power to weight masterclass
Seeing the car disassembled and learning about the side repeater was a treat.
Yet another fascinating video for Iain. One of the best "kit"cars I have ever seen!! Amazing how this looks when taken apart, and the discussion between you two chaps was very interesting. Thanks Iain. Cheers, Bob
The only channel where I smash the like bottom without watching the video! Congrats Tyrrell!
hahah love the door weight examples. Everyone knows cf is light, but seeing the door compared to even that window frame, geez, let alone the Dino or probably any metal door.
Proper nerdy - love it Iain!
Brilliant Vid’ Iain. Incredible to see it all splayed out like that. The owner must be chuffed
She is a beautiful car even in this state of disassemble, greetings from Romania, I m a big fan of your channel.
The beauty of this machine still overwhelms me as it did as a kid when I first saw a photo of one back in 1990 - it just doesn’t age. I love this car
The pink primer is a nice touch to keep the top coat vibrant. I remember having to get my old red car's bumpers repainted, and it looked so off...turns out the repair shop used their standard grey primer, but the factory used a bright yellow - which changed how the topcoat red looked. The contrast between the bumpers and the rest of the car was fairly hideous.
Great video reveiling so many details. This shows that you actually do not own a historic car, but you are a preserver for the future.
I will never be fortunate enough to own the sorts of cars that you all work on but I really appreciate the insights you provide us all with into that somewhat surreal world. Please keep up the great work.👍
Fabulous car the F40, preferred it to the F50.Great breakdown again so thanks Iain. Oh and by the way, easy on the donuts mate, you're still a young man😬
Fantastic presentation, as always, and it was absolutely amazing to see the car laid out like that. Would love to see more from Ryan in future videos.
That bottle opener dangling in the back 😂
Cool facts and cool car...and fun to see the bottle opener swinging away on its own string behind you guys for most of the video - cheers!
They must have had a couple of beers before shooting.
"The oversprays are where they should be" 😅 There's your supercar quirkiness !
Fantastic, love the nerdy bits, can't get them anywhere else! Thanks Iain
Hello Ian , I just watches all 3 parts that was just fantastic truly amazing car , I had a 1970 246 GT it was the crossover from the 206 lucky to have the knock off wheels , it was quite tired when i bought it lots of area's with out any undercoat the car ended up in the US. Frank Sytner a name from my racing passed i used to see him in his early days at Malory Park and Silverstone we started at the same time 1970 , very nice man. I am sure you will get lots of likes your video are top class . Thank you .
The seeing the weave through the paint bit reminds me of the1953 Corvette, where you could see the fibreglass weave quite clearly under the paint.
The roof of all the Citroen DS has always been gass fibre, and in the cheaper model they even left it unpainted. On sunny days you can see through the roof from inside, as It's just slightly opaque.
I was in college visiting a Ferrari car show in Dallas where I saw a brand new F40 at the dealer display. I took pictures. and so I can confirm what the host and Ryan says, the paint was smooth. I remember looking into the paint and it was like a mirror. I could see my reflection in the paint in detail. Took a bunch of pictures. But I remember the OEM paint job amazed me. It was so much better than the 348 and the Testarossa next to it.
Fascinating video once again, thanks Iain and Ryan
Amazing videos Tyrrell! I am learning so much from your channel! Keep them coming!
Thanks for another very informative video. Love having new Tyrrell's Classic Workshop videos pop up when I log into the computer.
Ian, great video as usual. By comparison the F40's carbon fiber body work was like that of the early gen 1 Corvettes (53-55). with those cars, you can actually see the fiberglass cloth weave in many unrestored examples.
Fancy shot at the beginning, what a lovely arrangement.
One of your best videos so far, thanks!
Myth # 1: "You can see the carbon fiber weave though the paint." This is not true. Except when it is sort-of, more-or-less true, in some case. It has happened. Examples given related to inconsistent quality and paint sinking into the weave due to heat. Telegraphing through, as an inconsistent surface. Not transparent paint as such, which was not intended as the claim; except when it was, wrongly.
Thanks for clearing that up. 🙂 !!
Fantastic video. Pretty sure that the print-through you'd see on the exterior is from a translucent "sanding layer" of fiberglass over top of the carbon fiber. Even in the 80s I doubt anyone would try to paint or do bodywork directly onto carbon fiber, let alone kevlar.
Loving the swinging bottle opener in the background - what a giveaway!