Doggie Diamonds: NY initially thought LA was soft.
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Now the other states Jacking Cali swag and gang lifestyle now. SMH
Ignorance
EXACTLY...SMH
which is idiotic
Facts
@@DeepCover757 which is what they usta say about the west then they started acting like us
Thank you Doggie Diamonds for being real about how the east coast viewed the west coast. This is the reason why the South don't fuck with New York cats. New York been hating since the beginning of time. Thats why we snatched the game from them and we got it in a head lock. Salute to the west coast. The south and the west felt the hate from the east coast.
💯
Head lock, full Nelson, and a figure 4 leg lock.
Tbh i hate your lock trap music ie garbage
@@OGGOAT23 nobody is listening to that backpack rap. We run the culture. Your own city is trying to sound like us, we're definitely not trying to sound like yall.
@@OGGOAT23 this is how most of you end up....m.czcams.com/video/AU_7JaX16Ts/video.html
I like the way he explained the misconceptions that NY had about Cali, but he wasn’t being disrespectful about it.....but you see with clear communication, a lot of misconceptions can be cleared up
Big James was low key getting offended
Yall jus don't know that comment changed the energy in that room but kept it professional west up
@@beach_boy1141 Not even sure it was that low key.
And we used to think the same thing about NY.. Bambaataa and all them cats dressing like the Village People
RIGHT YALL WORE MAKE UP TOO
BUT DC THOUGHT ALL?YALL WAS WEIRD
Bambaata was a booty bandit.
That’s true! I respect that! But just know all of us regular dues were not dressing like that LOL
@Boss619Tycoon IT'S CALLED GO GO MUSIC WHICH CAME OUT SAME TIME HIP HOP CAME OUT. WHICH THE FIRST RAPPERS USED IN THEIR MUSIC. NOW WHEN ANY RAPPER USES IT THEY GO TOP OF THE CHARTS.
GO GO HELP CREATE THE NEW JACK?SWING.
GO GO MUSIC WAS THE FIRST HARD CORE SOUND AND THE FIRST
GFUNK
GO GO CULTURE CREATED URBAN FASHION
WELCOME FOR THE HISTORY LESSON
Can’t forget the fabulous 5 with melley mel they dressed like thunder cats ....
This is nothing new....New York felt like that about everyone outside of New York. They said the same thing about the South.
But the south with the shits
Yep.... NY thought they was superior to *EVERYONE* 😅... thats y the south took the eastcoast hip hop shine 😅...
Im from cali and late 90s some brothas out here was wearin tims and all when eastcoast hip hop made they run
@@NAT-turners-Revenge Me too...most of my high school years I was only into New York and east coast rap....we was battle rapping in high school like we was from New York.
This dude Doggie Diamonds keep it 1000 😂
ALLLLL THE WAY, if you like or not , it's a honest TRUTH!.....
He putting his perspective on the whole state where not everyone thought like that and I followed Doggie a long time he kinda put a hater perspective on things
Well... I'll say this. New York damn sure don't think LA is soft now.
But they bit off of them later with the gangs now
And y'all all bit off of NYC with hip hop
How they go from thinking we soft to being fake Crips and Bloods??? I notice people from NYC avoid that subject 😂😂😂😂😂🌴🌴🌴🌴🌴
Wow bro you guys have so much hate for New York it’s crazy. I’m going to chalk that up to some of you guys just being young and can’t handle a real conversation because I know everyone inside or outside of their neighborhood has size someone without knowing them and thought they might’ve been soft and was wrong. Why are all Callie dudes taking it in such a negative way when New York is a meeting that we were wrong about you guys? We knew nothing about California dudes And he’s talking about Wayback when NWA came out not present time. We should be able to have a conversation bro that’s crazy without the one below that each other we are one
@@charlesxplosiveii6206 Only liars call the truth hate 😂😂😂😂🌴🌴🌴🌴
@@charlesxplosiveii6206 you niggaz let 69 run a train on a whole set out there 🤣😂💀
To be fair, NWA were CB4
@@godofthisshit Not Eazy and Ren.....Get your facts straight 😂😂😂😂
They learned about the Westcoast when Biggie didn’t come home. RIP B.I.G.
Damn
Man down
Got em!
@Omar The Bar God Wolf done gave LA lessons about NY before that, ask Suge.
No points for Big, he made music and wasn’t hateful.
@@godofthisshit Who killed Wolf? And where were they from? It doesn’t matter. But the streets know. RIP Wolf 🐺 though.
I'm from Connecticut but I have family all over, including Cali. My perspective is broader because I did travel to see family as a youth. South Carolina Miami California were common family vacations for me. So I was up on a lot of music culture and slang. Doggie Diamonds doesn't speak for everybody on the east coast. Ignorance and arrogance can get you hurt. Both of my parents had a gheri curl so that ain't nothin to trip on lol
YOU DIDN'T OR DON'T LISTEN TO GO GO
@@jamalvines2133 you talkin about Chuck Brown EU and all that?? Of course 💪🏾😎🎶
@@johnq.8167 YOU HEARD IT
YOU DON'T LISTEN TO IT
New York still got love for MC Eiht shout out to the whole west cost love y'all my kings and Queens may The Most High watch over y'all blessings 🙏 love and respect to Doggie Diamonds for bringing this real conversation up
How about the two coasts uniting ? A man is a man no matter where you're from. We as Black men are going to have to start looking at the bigger picture. The Black Man that is catching hell in New York is no different than that Black Man that is catching hell and in California. The Black Panthers come from California, wasn't nothing "soft" about them.
Say that again for the suckas that let that go over they head
Im born breaded..bay area to the heart..and mexican..panthers was about uniting ethnic groups in poverty that get treated by the police..the brown berets were skin tight with the panthers..to this day were still that close,people wont aknowledge it because everyone is short sided..much respect dor what the panthers have done for the africanos..they uplifted there people and told them to take a stand..not to mention creating food sources to individuals with low income..they never turn down allies who were on the same page.
He wilding in NY we never thought. LA was soft we thought killing over color was stupid but to be real we was just as stupid going to war with other projects just because which project they fm were from. It was about territory that we did not own.
I think the media in the 80s and 90s simplified it into beefing over colors but it was more intricate than that. As early as the late 70s crip on crip wars were going so it was never just a color thing it was our neighborhood vs theres which the media never spoke of they just ran with the red vs blue story
Being from Cali I think for the most part we always had love for ny it was hard not to considering they gave us hip hop
Everybody had love for NY. NY just didn't love anybody back lol
@@AD-gs7zb that’s real though
@A Yea you and doggie diamonds saying 2 different things. Dude just sat up here and said they thought Cali was pussy. I know for a fact plenty niggas up there think niggas from the south are slow lol. You talking about the music business but what he said was personal.
Would you guys don’t understand is New York had love for Kelly to always. They are two different conversations going on actually three. We didn’t know anything about Callie but the dudes on the East Coast who look like that we consider them soft here so that was our opinion of you guys when we didn’t know anything about you. We warmed up to the music and then we were feeling Callie. It’s irritating to hear all these people from Callie in the south keep talking about we hated people from Callie and a salad that’s not even true. The West Coast rappers had a problem with New York DJs for not playing their music not the people. This narrative is just old and silly. People not from New York saying how New Yorkers were and how they felt give me a break. I know most of the people talking about this or young cats. So if you guys really understand the timeline when NWA came out we weren’t feeling them because we didn’t know anything about the West Coast by the time snoop came out we was all on board those of you who know actually know that everybody else is just talking stuff that they know nothing about
@@AD-gs7zb Jodeci disagree. NY loved who NY loved, not who you told us to love.
Steele wasn’t feelin the commentary... he was ready to lay hands
Being From The Mid West In Chicago I rocked with East Coast music & they style the West Coast music & style. The south also in the 90s.
Exactly !! Detroit (Midwest)same we listened to everybody west east south Midwest .. All love this way to everybody!!
East coast would never understand west period
Is everyone too young to remember Eiht song about Tim Dog talking about
"South Bronx...Bullshit City"
It never gets mentioned when we talking about diss songs but he used Tim Dogg's own voice to diss him. Classic.
I remember and that what I was gonna get at it kind of change for me then although he was dissing Compton but it was still a Cali thang
Yea I do remember that too
Yeah eiht,quik, dre & snoop, eazy all took shots at tim mutt
@@GillieRutu quik got him on way too fonky also
I'm from philly and I didn't know how other brothers lived until videos came out!!!
HE don't speak for the whole NyC
Schooly D not from nyc he from Philly
Right.MOP how about some hardcore was kinds the first gangsta rap we had in 92
He was talking about east coast period read between the lines dude
@@elliot2177 mop came out in 94 & WU was already out before them do ya research
@@Mayo2014 no he was talking about nyc and not the east coast he can't speak for the whole east coast.
@@gmoney313. why can’t he talk for the all east coast if he’s talking about the Bay Compton etc smh
Big up Doggie Diamonds 👍
Im from NY and I NEVER Thought LA was soft. I actually thought LA was HARDER than Us. Doggie only need to speak for himself, not all New Yorkers. I always thought LA and Compton was Hard
We just had big egos but look now n.y jacking whole west coast shit crazy
The South is in the building 🇭🇹🇭🇹
DD was just being a blunt Brooklyn dude. That's how they talk. I spent a lot of time around brothas from NYC and LA so I can tell you that, DD wasn't trying to offend, he was just trying to keep it a buck but LA brothas aren't accustomed to that overly aggressive delivery and even though they caught what he was saying, they street bred so it rubbed em the wrong way. They felt like he should have worded it a lil more respectfully
@Lamar Brown Oh I'm well aware brotha, that's why I said that. DD was just being himself, that's how they talk amongst themselves. He didn't realize it wasn't gonna be received that way. Gotta be mindful of what you say and how you say it.
@Lamar Brown No doubt. I'm from Buffalo NY so we're considered upstate and had to deal with that arrogance from within the same state but all brothas from the NYC ain't like that tho.
I appreciate your perspective my brother. We are more aggressive so you want the outside looking in saying that I can respect that. From my point of view he actually held back a lot. What do some ELHAE don’t understand that we didn’t know anything about their culture at all, so that’s why there was a misconception because the way they dressed and I was Jerry curls any dude out here who look like that we would like they were a clown. He was just explaining the misconception. I want a couple of comments and I see a lot of guys are mature enough to even have a conversation about a misconception it’s crazy. I remember they didn’t even play N.W.A. on the radio out here because DHS didn’t respect it but after we really found out we went back and start listening to it. But if you look at all these comments on here why do people always here on New York It’s crazy! He was making a point but he didn’t fully make it I don’t think they caught it. I always tell dude from out of town who think we were hating against the south and the west coast, we were into the lyrics, your pen had to be really tight and then those days most people come from all the areas didn’t really have what we consider tight lyrics that’s why we didn’t walk with them. If you were in New York and you lyrics were in tight we didn’t walk with you so we didn’t walk with people from out of town who is Louis went to either in our opinion. No hating just our opinion to like and not like, be blessed bro
So Lamar, I see you had left the other response from my other post. I didn’t reply because negativity is not what I’m all about. I could be wrong but it seems like this is Bash New York. It’s like you guys don’t even take what’s being said out of what’s being said. This is not a workplace is tough for which place is hotter who is he who is not heating this was just a conversation where I do was letting you know how we here in New York were totally wrong about our perception of you guys in LA. That’s an admission that we were totally wrong but we had nothing to go on and we know nothing about LA culture back that we’re talking about the early 80s and 80s. What kills me is it’s like we’re here in New York can tell you about what our intentions are and how we felt and you guys will just wait overheating or whatever whatever it’s crazy this is how old was a black man get killed because we don’t listen to each other. You can have a point of view of how we felt but if we’re telling you something you should except it, you guys are turning this into something else this is crazy. And just to let you know when the cherry Coke came out those might’ve worn out for like a year and after that you will be ridiculed if you were here so that’s just how it was here when I say what’s up bro what you guys wearing it we’re just telling you hear it was ridiculed. Now the only way you would know that as well some of us to tell you that. The conversation was going to get insight into how New Yorkers really didn’t know anything about counting to the beginning so all his other stuff to me it’s just too much. Look at the comments all over his post bro everybody take a shot in New York is like come on. Why am by soco about what we liked and what we listen to. But I get it, anytime New York about his mansion on CZcams all these people from the West Coast in the south just fill out the comments with negative stuff about New York.
@Lamar Brown I definitely understand y'all points. Again, I'm from upstate NY but originally from the Midwest (Indianapolis) and I had ironically two of my closest brothers from each city, one from LA and one from the Brooklyn so my knowledge on both sides was good plus I went to the feds later and was around plenty of brothas from both areas. In my honest experience... LA and NY both have a level of arrogance. Just like brothas from Chicago got a level of arrogance. Most the big city cats do but between the two, The LA bros tend to be a bit more mellow and laid back but every bit a G, as to where bros from the city tend to be more animated, expressive and aggressive. I discovered that most the bros from NY that are cocky are just raised like that. Like, real spit, before that arrogance gets to LA or anywhere else, they're already like that with each other within the 5 boroughs. They're very critical and opinionated. Could be taken the wrong way if you don't know how they get down. They're hard critics. LA homies can be real arrogant too tho. Both cities are very prideful of where they from.
MC EIHT could play Cleveland from the Family Guy! 🤣
Ha 🙂
Them niggas bristled up & got defensive real quick off that first statement. He was just keepin it all the way real. He cleared up the misunderstanding and acknowledged nyc's bias.
The east coast is more angrier and grumpier. The west is layed back but will give it up.
The intro is missing Nate Dogg but Kokane 🔥
What about LV from south central cartel?
Yea or Butch Cassidy
Kokane is a west coast icon
@@TheAdubb119 Facts Kokane is so underrated
Dope convo
This title hit the nail on the head!!!
DD not lying, we didn't understand killing someone because of the color they wore. We hated jerry curls, khakis, chucks, etc. Imma be honest, I hated Pac for defecting to the west coast, to this day I'm not a big Pac fan. It was only until I started watching Kev Mac videos that I was blown away by the history.
He should've gotten checked James kinda set it straight enough though
The reason why The East Coast fucked with MC Eith is cause of 2 things. The lyric "Wake your punk Ass up for the 92 sure shot" and he played "A Wax" in Menace to Society
Big Steele lookin like he ready to G check Diamonds!👍🏿
😂He wanted to but he held himself
Steele lol k like he bout to strong arm dude every time he talk a misconception
Steele kept looking back at James like “woah, this dude is outta line”. Hahahahaha
I love OG James ,he petty 😂
I wish my black homies rocked the jeri curl again. They all tell me “hell naw” lol
Gperico from Broadway gangsta crip keeps a fly curl
Remember the finger waves?
@Mike Mo lol HILARIOUSLY true
@@gudwill619 noooooooo lmaooooo
@Mike Mo I don’t know about anywhere else but here in Phoenix, you still see some whiteboys well into their 50’s and still rocking a mullet or some semblance of a mullet.
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ain't nothing more gangster a Pendleton, Khakis and Chucks.
SALUTE!!!
P E A C E!!!
I'm 37- out here in cali we f'ked with NY music. We couldnt wait for the newest nas, wu tang, etc.
We also had massive love for our local shit from los angeles county to the bay.
What we didnt like was the eastcoast- specifically ny- superiority complex and arrogance towards other regions.
They especially tried to downgrade brothas from the south and you see the south - even mid west has had last 20yrs.
The funny thing is gang bangin exploded around the country last 15yrs or so- whereas out here its still very much alive but dying out and on its way to a relic of the past... give it another 15-20yrs.
NY didn’t act any differently than most of the North East. We have our own culture, the difference is that people wanted NY respect, not Boston, or Connecticut so NY get painted in the negative light but we all had similar music taste. From DC to Montreal pretty much.
I’m reading these comments and I just have to shake my head. All this dude is doing is enlightening people outside of New York Hall New York was feeling. One thing he didn’t really touch on was we didn’t really like rappers who cut and wrap that well. So when everybody says we’re hating all you Gotta do is go back and listen to the lyrics. In New York it was all about your lyrics and wordplay that’s what we like so if other people weren’t concentrating on that and we didn’t like it except we were hating we just like what we like. And you should’ve kept it all the way where we didn’t even like in WAYNWA came out that was never played on your radio. We all kind of like it now but at that time we look at that video we didn’t know anything about California and we’re like hey Gordy is Jerry curl do you wanna behind a truck and we were like please these dudes are soft. Realize at that time we didn’t know anything about California it wasn’t like now where you got the Internet and all these introductions we didn’t know back then. So nobody should be upset that we didn’t know we just met and we didn’t know where we were wrong. But it kills me when everybody wants New York to play their music but they didn’t play all of our music everywhere either. But I love The store because most dudes from LA have no idea that we just didn’t know anything about their culture they just figured New Yorkers were hateful.
Hs offended them wit that comment yall see nobody smiling but kept it professional west up
Remember Guce "Clear & present danger" album? I heard that like 4 years ago first time. That was & is a classic. # FREE GUCE
California gang culture is generational. It started early in the century. Which makes it part of being a Californian. Like bagels and pizza is too NEW YORK, part of culture!
Picking and choosing ain’t hating, everyone does it. Drake the biggest artist in rap but most of America don’t mess with Canadian rap, same for UK. People from the south love to point out how Jay-Z wasn’t big where they from. NY like what NY like just like everywhere else. From Biggie, to Beanie Man, to Scarface, to Jodeci, to Aretha, to James Brown. *No Apologies* Doggie Diamond can speak for himself. 🗽
Cali is a different breed they tried too black balled La rap bacc in the day. I can tell you this Cali as a hold state is raw.
No doubt... cali to me got blk balled from 99'- 2006ish based on who was gettin radio play- promotions etc
@@NAT-turners-Revenge yeah man they was trying too get rid of la rap but now the world looking like la 🤦♂️ now that’s facts
Yo I'm from Harlem and I was fucin with that West coast shit just like shit from N.Y.C , one of my first tapes was some C.M.W shit I got from my cuzo that was locked up, he sent me a walkman and like 3 tapes, all my life I knew it was real niggaz everywhere, some people think different, SMFH, R.I.P. RAY.
Doggie Diamonds Keep It 💯 but he's speaking for Brooklyn NY not all Nyc or the East Coast
He speaking for himself actually and dare I say, he's the wrong guy to sit up there and represent Brooklyn in this conversation
New york dudes have one track minds a lot of them never been of the Island
Same with alot of places..
@B. O. in New Orleans we like that too believe it or not. We like I live in New Orleans not Louisiana. Everything outside in our state, is a whole different world to us.
@@MonaJ888 yup New Orleans is definitely different from Shreveport/Bossier City.
@@MonaJ888 that’s perfectly understandable ... IM FROM THE BRONX ... but when u go out to BROOKLYN ... YOU KNOW U IN BROOKLYN 🤣🤣🤣 shit different ...
@@MonaJ888 That’s how us Detroiters feel 2 !! It’s Detroit vs Everybody ... Really we feel that way abt others cities in Michigan 2 !! Detroit is Detroit then everybody else...
I’m trying to understand.. I hear y’all though 🙏
members of Digital Underground was mostly East Coast cats.
Dam they was just getting into Staten and the video done.
Lol...doggie had james lightweight offended
I don't think doggie diamonds was dissing, New Yorkers is just blunt and it come off offensive at times, so I don't think it any sneak dissing
In Northern Cali we call em don’t knows
Only Doggie Diamonds thought like that not everyone from New York, if your mind is working right you know that there's gangsters everywhere.
Niggaz is throwing shots back & forth and not even trying to understand what diamonds is tryna say . They think he tryna play them and it ain’t even like that. Diamonds is tryna say the misconception everyone had about LA ... he didn’t say that they were soft ... he thought up until he got a glimpse of how Cali was through the movies and was like “ ohh iigh cool there’s real dudes over there too “
I respect NY niggas.. Cali just different.
Listen to Mitchy slick song called "You in" that somes up the dipper meaning to banging its not about colors
No! Oh, hell no! Doggie Diamonds is NOT an ambassador for NY. He can't talk for NY as a whole. He's talking about his limited world with his group of friends. He ain't never at any time during my existence been popularly known in NY. He definitely is a nobody in the Bronx. To all interviewers, for future reference, before somebody with no props and recognition starts talking as if they represent a whole city, please go over their rap sheet during the interview so the viewers can know for sure if their credible to be speaking as an ambassador for their city.
The gangs in New York early on use to dress like white motorcycle gangs.
Meth, Rae, Ghost, UGod are the only ones from S.I. the rest is from Brooklyn Queens..I agree with DD.Snoop was the one that really certified the West.Cube and NWA did a great job but Snoop is the one that bridged the gap out here.M.O.P How about some hardcore" was gangster asf.That came out in 92.That was our official hardcore rap.Schooly D is from Philly not NY.
Meth is originally from Hempstead L.I., and Rae is originally from BK
@@TAYEBAPTISTA Rae said he was born in Jamaica Queens but raised in SI.Meth represents Park Hill.He prolly was born in Hempstead.Shit, P was from Hempstead but repped QB.
And Deck from the Bronx
Schooly d is east coast period ! When u mention east coast rap we refer to Jersey and philly being an extension to NY ......IF U WAS FROM NY IT WOULDNT HAVE TO BE EXPLAINED
@@Mayo2014 Philly is the east but not NY..Jersey is an extension but not Philly
He needs to say he didn't know this stuff his opinion doesn't speak for all of New York.I would agree that the hairstyle and the nice houses had me thinking it wasn't as rough in cali when I was younger until I learned more as I got older.
They all look in at doggie like u Mark and niguh
I from queens we didn't understand banging. But we did think the west was soft because we also had gangs
Yeah nigga we know yall did
Dude low key sneak dissin
Like every lame ass new yawker
@@misterdeeez6796 L A never been soft New York tried to copy the gangs and swag of california.
these grown men actually getting upset because he's keeping it real...a bunch of guys glorifying ignorance
I was thinking the same thing, everybody keeping real until somebody keep it honest
DC THOUGHT BOTH WAS CORNY
BUT STILL LIKE THE MUSIC
James fittin to come out of retirement🙉
Doggie a sav
Uptown streets was fucking with west coast way back .When it came to hip hop we copped cassettes from all over west coast southwest all the way back down to miami.Thats why all they shit popped off.Uptown everything g start up top.What uptown was envious of was y'all Soul train.Bunch uptown bro's move out west behind soul train
Uptown was pump n Ice T King T Ghetto boys hardcore 88.
DD said that completely wrong lol 🤦🏾♂️....California from the outside lookin in, was way more beautiful than NY, still is perspectively, so that’s the only part ppl saw, until the media started glorifyin the underworld, it’s the same for ppl outside of NY, tourist love NY but they don’t go deep in them boroughs because back then (of course now they know it’s 2020) all they saw was bright lights and big buildings 🤷🏾♂️....
Yea some ppl literally didn’t know what Compton was until NWA
Or Long Beach until Snoop
Y’all NY cat ain’t fuck with D PSK is philly not NY
West side get the mu L.A
Yo, they all strong black manz don fo hizz?? Gotta a big coc?
No Doggie, you know a lot of New York dudes still think that California is less than. They just don’t have a voice like they did a long time ago, and they’re usually isolated to their relative areas, where nobody cares what they think.
I know this because I’m from NYC, but then I lived in Cali for years and, sometimes, New York dudes can tell by my accent and they respond accordingly. I’ve had to check so many motherfuckers.
And what’s so funny is, a lot these new New York dudes grew up in this softer NYC, and they’re not even ready to deal with some uncut NYC shit. Luckily, living out west mellowed out that part of me to a large degree.
DC CATS THOUGHT ALL YALL WEIRD
@@jamalvines2133 and east to west we all thought DC was moist. And then come to find out DC has a very high rate of men being with men. Now come to find out alot of the big dogs out your city were engaged in unsavoury behavior smh.
@@mh7067
Facts
I heard crips were in New York in the early 90s Biggie was a crip
Negative somebody lied to you fam
@@pjwatts209 hella lied 🙄
I read somewhere that it was two Belizean dudes. Brothers I believe, that grew up in California. They caught some cases then got deported back to Belize. Then reentered at some point but moved to NY. Bringing along with them the LA crip culture.
It is correct that some crabs were here in the early 90s. But they are faction wasn’t big enough to make any noise on the streets but they were indeed here. New York is heavy bloods now because the quit started gaining in numbers in NYPD and The gang unit set out to Eradicate all the Crips so with the movement going on in jail for blood that’s how the streets open up and it’s mainly bloods out here. But if you’re old enough like I am you remember we had gangs in the 70s here in New York
Big was a Raider. The Raiders was founded by Doggie Diamonds. That is why Big rocked the Raiders skully.
We ain't think new York was soft we knew it soon as them 2 new York rappers came to the west side and got smoked