Most martial artists can’t fight and would be embarrassed by untrained attackers
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Most martial artists aren’t actually any good at fighting, and would be made to look foolish in an altercation with an aggressive untrained attacker. Change my mind in the comments section of you can!
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Coach went from asking "can martial artists fight," to psychology, to alien tech, to cycling through variations of dragon mythology, to competence vs confidence, to thinking twice before fighting. All before completing the circle at the end. This is exactly how my CZcams history looks
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@@entubadao *thicc
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He might have light weight tbi, still not knocking him.
i remember a late friend of mine once said "martial arts don't make people into fighters. They make fighters into better fighters. "
te only thing that make sense in all this video and comment seccion
Nah the average person can train to become a fighter, they just take longer
Totally agree. Although they do provide some skills for non fighters as well. We have a few of them at my gym: train religiously but have no "dog", like none. The larger, more athletic ones aren't total pushovers in most sparring situations and could handily dismantle noobs, but when it comes down to a real fight (like in emotionally compromised, hard sparring) their flight response is triggered and they shrink.
@@cesaralvesdemoraes3187They can train to become more skilled in techniques and strategies used in fighting. So in one sense they are better fighters but at the same time, they typically don't have the instincts or "dog" to actually use those skills effectively, at least not when the stakes are high. That's what I've observed anyway.
They are supposed to make people into better people.
Agressivnes is a thing. As someone who trained for a couple of years including sparring i was pretty confident in myself. When i accepted an invitation open to all martial artits to do full contact sparring however we like (kickboxing, grabbling or stick-fighting with kali-rules) i had the most trouble with an inexperienced but aggressiv opponent in kickboxing. I did fine against someone with more than 5 years kickboxing and 7 years teakwando, as we had just a friendly hard sparring. One guy with about 1 year experince wanted to win and made it up with agressivnes and beat me. It got better after a few rounds. But i learned that is trust my sparring-partners and know that we don't want to hurt each other and prefer controlled techniques, even when we do harder sparring. That is a big diffrence.
I tend to disagree. The only thing a untrained person can do something is if you let him, or you're not confident enough in your skills.
Also don't forget sparring is not a real fight where there are no rules.
A lot of systems get messed up if someone flying tackles you or starts the fight with a suckerpunch. Doesn't mean they win in the end but most practitioners have zero experience with that kind of opponent and will be shocked it's not following good practice manners or is even judicially legal and will freeze up.
@@thunder2434 Since that is true, imagine if a trained person atacks from ambush it will be 10 times worse, for the untrained gang
@@ceckolalovia Yes but that only happens in Ninja movies, or during wartime but that's a completely different situation than peacetime.
@@thunder2434 It really depends if your family is at stake and you can't go 1 v 5 I think people will pull that off. But generally I agree, a person who can fight at least a bit doesn't start a fight over his ego. Cheerz. All we can do is prepare and hope we be better each day.
I totally agree, I train wrestling, BJJ, and muay thai and I work at hospital watching psych patients, im still getting use to the aggression of crazy people and people on hard drugs. You gotta combine the science of martial arts and aggression to succeed in restraining these people. I would always find myself being defeated by them mentally before the initial scuffle because they were already so agitated that I could feel that they were willing to do anything to get out of the hospital room. Agressive people who have a history of fighting other people are a step ahead of someone who just trains martial arts. These are mean people willing to hurt you, you gotta learn how to be mean but also how to turn it off
hey man, im very curious, how do you handle it? how do you turn on the "mean" and turn off the "mean", because obviously you dont want to seriously injure a patient, you want to restrain him and to do so in a way that it doesnt harm them (at least not badly i suppose) so, please tell me.
@@thomaskunz3089 I can only speak from personal experiences. You just gotta get use to getting in the fight, you will be nervous just like when you barely started training a martial art. The aggressiveness will come when that person tries to hurt you and you get mad. You gotta use that anger as a strength but learn to turn it off or else you end up in a situation where you try to get revenge on that patient when they are already subdued. To answer your other question, someone is gonna get hurt regardless so you just gotta get in there and have your coworkers backs, at the end of the day we all just wanna go home as unharmed as possible
@@joshdelgado3589 damn, the way you talk about it, its like the psych area of the hospital is a battlefield, is it really that dangerous? how often do you have to subdue somebody.
Agreed. From old sparring partners and such i realized that agression is key when it comes to fighting.
You are Correct Ramsey - I studied several martial arts all my life and only just realised they only work in the Dojo = Not until I saw Lee Morrison's Urban Combatives which teaches the Truth of what really works on the streets
Interesting that you post this. I'm a bouncer at a bar and train in kyokushin and judo. I escorted a dude out the other night and was sucker punched and got double legged out of nowhere. This was a small guy too. I ended mounting him and subduing him but was completely taken by surprise by the sudden aggression. Was not expecting it all. I will admit that I froze. Anyhow, I enjoy your content. You embody the spirit of a true warrior, not only in combat but in scholarship.
Thank you! Stay safe out there my friend!
That's scary to think about, especially since the arts you practice are battle tested too.
Only suckers get sucker punched. As a professional you should not be surprised by someone you were escorting out for bad behavior, and you should be working with and constantly communicating with a team of at least one backup agent. If he was rolling 20 deep you could have taken serious damage. If you are serious about bouncing then please 🙏 get better training and backup operations.
I used to work at RC's Back Door, in Missouri. The method of escorting, was either, over the shoulder, or with my hand around their tricep. You can sense a telegraphed message, through the arm. And have a plan, to defend yourself. 18:13
@analiasjones614 clearly you've never experienced real life combat senarios
Totally agree. I've taught Karate for over 10 years and it's incredibly hard to make people more aggressive (controlled aggression, when you need it). Most people just aren't fighters, nor do they want to be. And that's a good thing
@Ian Foote so they can put a hot one in their instructors belly lol wtf
Just imagine that your coffee machine is broken and your bus late. And THEN some 17yo is trying to mug you.
@@MrCmon113would make my blood boil no joke
I was bullied most of my younger years for being overweight and was in a lot of fights. I also taught Martial Arts out of a few different MMA Schools and did a bit of hard sparring with good fighters. I was always a little scared before sparring some of these guys, up to the very first punch, after that I became focused even calm. But a lot of students that have never been in a real fight have trouble with freezing up, and I honestly don't know if gym sparring is enough to correct this, but I truly believe it's the best chance to get over the shock of an aggressive attacker. (Real fights never go like in the gym, Thats sometimes good, sometimes bad!)
It depends on the sparring and the person. Getting used to using effective gross motor skills under stress is paramount as fine motor skills take longer to process. GOOD hard sparring session can be as close to fight conditions as possible but should not be done more than once or twice a month and not too close to a fight. In other words, if "sparring buddies" never give any real damage or apply even a small but real threat, they aren't really doing each other much good.
The streets are on a level that no form of fighting can prepare you for. You can only practice and pray.
@@TheRealNickG Very True!
@@robertlisastanley7433 look up lee Morison. Aggression therapy. In my 2nd street fight, I froze up in front of my girlfriend after being attacked for about 15seconds straight. Then I started firing back punches and gave him a felt welt in his head. I was ashamed for months for freezing but since that day i never froze again. Have had 10 or so fight even against gangs since then. Now I’m the one that initiates. I’m not proud of them but point is put yourself in the fire and you’ll get over it. Also practice hard boxing or Thai sparring , simulate a real fight and practice fighting while remaining calm. That’s it
@@CharmingMountain you've initiated fights against gangs?
I just started sparring in kickboxing and I found out very quickly that I’m not aggressive enough to defend myself in a street fight. 5 sessions in and I’m still trying to stop being scared of getting hit. Also it’s caused me to go to more BJJ tournaments and continue to pressure test my grappling skills lately. Thanks for reminding me of the true purpose of why training should be taken seriously
How is progress 7 months in?
That’s the first step though, and as you go you’ll actually start to lose those anxieties and fears… but you gotta keep doing it.
Being scared of getting hit can be cured, by a smart trainer who actually cares about such things.
How is that done? By exposing such student to a moderated degree of a physical confrontation
in a controlled environment. Just like with swimming: you don't put a random non-swimmer into
a motorboat, go 5 miles off to the sea and just drop him into the water there and speed away.
Same thing with combat. A mental switch must be made. First, a teacher works with you, very very
light (headgear and all), to introduce the concept that yes, - punches and kicks will fly your way and
that's what it is, that's what you signed up for. And whoop-de-do - at times those kicks and punches
will even land. Re-conditioning the mind to the concept of the reality of a contact fight. To hit and
being hit. To attack and to defend. INTELLIGENTLY! (over time of learning of course, there are no
immediate expectations). This is supplemented by sparring with limited moves against students that
the teacher trusts to do that. Gradually, the "noob panic reflexes" of turning away and the likes - will
be replaced by proper defense/attack/footwork maneuvers that are being taught. Then, the teacher
decides when and to what degree to increase the challenge and threat level. And so on.
Over time, and if done right, you should be able to spar with any kind of student - even the ones who
don't give a fuck and always go 100%. (100% is good every once in a while, but not against assholes - at
least not until much later, cause an asshole sparring partner is an extra threat level - he does not go there
to spar, he is there to boost his ego by hurting others) The key is for the teacher to be smart and introduce
the fight concepts to the extent that your level at the time requires. To give you not more and not less.
That, however, requires the teacher to actually care about these things. And that is not a given. Not at all.
***When i say "over time", - it's months for small steps, and years for big steps.
And whatever is in between respectively. Roughly speaking.
BJJ and kickboxing is an amazing combo. confidence comes with practice. I was doing Karate and suddenly 0 (serious) 1 on 1 fights 😅 1. Nobody wanted to mess up with me 2. I got much more confidence nobody wanted to learn why I'm so confident and calm. One got a kick jump just in the moment of swing in the tourist trip with school in Russia against adults in the street, on the same trip everyone except me and my friend paid 💰 for 'protection', but street thugs see whom not to mess around 😅 (like a confident detectors)
Still has the same problem in krav maga
Situational awareness is key to everything.
I was one of those nerds you are referring too. I went through the various martial art styles, but I never felt confident even though I was flexible and could do the techniques. Later, I got tired of training with no self-confidence and started boxing. I forced myself to do full contact in order to work on getting rid of the fear from my years of being bullied. I finally found a good boxing coach who read my condition and worked to deprogram me. He would spar me aggressively using half power. He would punch me into the corners and make me fight my way out. He was on me continually knocking me around the ring. Sooner or later, he drove out the dark side, as he put it, and I became aggressive back at him. At that time he started throwing power shots a me. By the time he started using full power, I was in fight mode and able to handle it. I later sparred full contact with other boxers, which was a greater goal for me than a black belt.
What happens to the nerd, he has to not only become proficient in his fighting skills, he or she, has to undo the scars of bullying. That is why people like me have to be reprogrammed in how to become a fighter.
what did you have to do to reprogram your mind?
@@warlord1207 You have to spar with experienced trainers that will use sting power verses trying to knock you out. They have to throw tons of punches at you to get you use to the timing and the lighter impact. They have to increase the intensity and power each weak. That way you will get use to not flinching and clothes your eyes. You have to build gradually until you can fight with contact.
@@alfredindy8058 thank you, i will try it
This is the worst part of bullying people do not talk about it essentially castrates you in physical altercations due to giving you a fear of being hurt. You get declawed you lose your fangs and your sub conscious self confidence. it's Pavlovian conditioning and it's evil. Society itself already castrates people and this on top of it essentially makes you harmless. Im glad I never got bullied due to this because what it does to people psychologically is evil and if they aren't self aware itll ruin their life.
You are right Ramsey Dewey.
I've been embarrassed several times when my wife's boyfriend slapped me in public. 😰
I do Krav Maga and he does my wife.
Bruh 😅
Lol hahahha
I guess upbringing has alot to do with it. I was probably 12 the last time a man didn't get hurt for trying to hurt me. We literally did pankration (basically MMA without a cage, no closed fist to the face) in the livingroom as a kid, with my dad yelling at us about being tough and not getting upset or worried under pressure.... At this point it's more of an automatic nervous reaction to being "manhandled" unexpectedly than angry, as I'll just "black out". But when one of my good friends got beat up at work by a dissatisfied customer, there's nothing I can do so in the real world it doesn't always help when it is actually needed. And he is such a great dude.
Fighting isn't everything.
Karate and Krav Maga are garbage 🗑️ lol. Kung Fu, JKD, Thai Boxing, south paw, or MMA is where it's at. JKD was designed for street fighting because that's what Bruce Lee started off doing, Street Fights. Cut you opponent down any way you can.
@@ThatWasPrettyFunny what's wrong with JKD? What's a matter you think your better than JKD? What do u think JKD is? How about you try getting in the octagon with Anderson The Spider 🕷️ Silva and see how long you last? He would annihilate you. And don't tell me he doesn't use JKD cause that would make u a liar, an asshole, or a moron.
Growing up, I noticed that school athletes rarely ever got picked on. Being involved in a sport makes you confident physically. It might not teach you how to fight but it teaches you to trust your body. Whether you played football, baseball, or soccer, you were athletic enough to feel good about your body, and that creates a feeling of confidence. Kids who took karate were generally those not involved in school sports, and they didn't seem as confident as the school athletes. If you compare a kid on a school wrestling team to a kid taking a karate or Tae Kwon do class, you will notice that the wrestler looks more confident and capable than the kid taking karate. At least that's what I noticed in high school.
So its the school aspect of it and not the feeling good about your body then?
@@Qball_ You might have a point there. I was making an observation of my high school. Most of the kids I knew who took karate in my high school didn't stick with it more than a few months to make any difference. School athletes, on the other hand, played the same sport or sports throughout high school.
I can also vouch for that in my experience
This highly depends on the sport. A professional soccer player could literally hit me all day and he wouldn't be able to phase me.
@spectre9065 Even soccer. Soccer players come in all heights, but they're generally wiry. In my school, nobody messed with soccer players. I don't know why. Maybe it's because they were all in good shape or the fact that they had a gang (in this case, the team) that they all could rely on.
Absolutely true. I've trained in martial arts for over 40 years, and most of the people I've trained with would not do very well in a street fight against an aggressive person.
I think that they need these kind of "Agressive killer mindset"
People who grow up on the streets tend to have More Agressive actitudes and they are better at confronting people
Sure, if you do aikido
@Ricardo Facts, the main issue is with OP highly over estimating the average persons fighting capability, aggressiveness doesn’t equal knowing what to do. Anybody with a decent martial art behind them is in far better stead then someone who has not, anyone who has really spent 40 years in a useful martial art WOULD have seen what it looks like when an untrained person spars for the first time, including his own experience, you get humbled real quick. Going full tard mode aggression is only gonna get yourself hurt.
@Ricardo That’s kind of why I said ‘If you do Aikido’ to the guy who said he’s been training 40 years and guys in his gym couldn’t stand a street fight.
I dunno, I don’t think ‘MANY’ people who haven’t trained have some knowledge, I’d actually suggest the completely opposite, most people think they know about fighting but have no idea. & At the end of the day if they did it wouldn’t matter, I could give you a book about the ins and outs of boxing and you still couldn’t ‘do’ afterward, doing and knowing are different. The martial arts that matter are the ones with full contact sparring, head and body shots. For what it matters, i’d still pick a TKD guy over the average man even tho I don’t count that as a martial art that works well. Trust me, the average joe is very ill equipped for fighting.
@Ricardo Man, go out on a weekend, you’ll see it’s literally everyone and anyone out here willing to fight for nothing. Especially in young, testosterone filled men, fights are gonna happen and more often then not it’s an absolute piss poor performance akin to two stray cats tumbling around on the street.
I know a guy who did TKD in college and seen him kick someone in the stomach and the guy he kicked nearly coughed up a lung, i’d say that’s pretty useful thing to know. It’s better then nothing. Yes Thai boxing, BJJ and all others listed are the best, no doubt but like I said, as this is going in circles, a man on the street even if he’s a young, angry, aggressive guy doesn’t equate to know how, 95 times out of a hundred i’m picking the trained guy. I’ve seen guys come and go, tough guys in the gym who get worked by a teenager and don’t come back next week, kids who came in and got pasted for months in sparring then end up years down the line amateur, box cup or ABA champs. Fighting is a difficult thing that takes a long time to develop, even most of the greats don’t turn up first day being good. Anyway, take care.
As Mike Tyson said, "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth". And I think this sums up most people who train in in the gym; everyone knows just how they're going to react until they get attacked by that criminally insane parolee who wasn't raised in a nice home. Killer instinct is something that's hard to quantify.
"Killer instict" is bullshit. That's a power fantasy of people, who never train. Actually preparation, training, makes it easier to muster appropriate aggression, not harder.
Tyson did prepare. He didn't just sit around waiting for the next fight doing nothing.
@@MrCmon113violent criminals don’t exactly train but do tremendous violence
@@MrCmon113Exactly
@@soonaheroViolent criminals arnt good fighters most of the time. Anyone with absence of morals and honor can be violent. Do you think the guy who attacks a young woman or kid is some kind of fighter? Stop this coping nonsense
@@loosecannon6142 this aggression would easily land them in the top 1% of fighters.
The psychological arousal of most people is simply low. You have to have aggression of top 1 in 10000 to do violent crime, also they’re young men, the most dangerous creature in our species. War age for a reason.
Violent criminals can beat just about any untrained man and every trained and untrained woman’s
All fighters are martial-artists, but not all martial-artists are fighters. For example, Bruce Lee was a gifted and talented martial artist but Benny Urquidez was a battle tested fighter...
bruce lee the real deal
He has like zero fight??? He was a movie start that sold an image.
Geoff Thompson once said ."You can't defend yourself properly against anyone until you can defend yourself from yourself ". In my experience this is true. It's more psychological .You can change your mindset if you are honest with yourself.
That’s a paradox.
I'm a HUGE Geoff Thompson fan. I wish his ideas got more attention over here in America.
Of course I can. That is only true in the most idiotic trivial sense of having to be motivated to fight back. Duh.
And no, it's not "more psychological", when you're attacked by a stronger, more skilled person you can have any mental state and you still get smashed.
Poll: Martial artists can't fight. True or false.
Ramsey: So anyway, dragons...
Hahaha! So true… so true
Completely agree. Difference between martial artist and fighter. If you spar regularly and/or you have actually been in fights, you’re way more prepared than someone who has “perfected” any martial art and who hasn’t done either of those things.
First few times sparring was extremely humbling. Almost everything I learned about fighting was out the window once I got hit a couple times. I gassed so quickly because I tensed up and had an adrenaline dump. And that’s in a controlled setting where I’m not faced with an attacker who isn’t going to stop attacking me.
If you’ve never been hit, you’re going to react badly.
"If it gives you the result you want, do it" This. Unfortunately, a lot of people think they're getting a much different result than they actually are.
Yep. Yep yep yep.
Woops learning classical piano didn't make me an all rounded musician.
Woops learning high level drawing concepts didn't teach me the fundamentals.
Woops learning C++ didn't teach me to create and maintain software.
Woops trying to be normal didn't make me normal, it pushed my puberty 5 years.
Woops I spent 2 years in bullshido. Now I've changed I do muay Thai.
Woops this woops that woopsie woopsie yay yuppie yay.
I find, one of the biggest trades in life is EGO FOR SANITY! You get ego, which you might want desperately if you're a weirdo like me, and in return you give your sanity. From time to time you're forced to shut your mind so you don't "wake up" and realise you're "getting a much different result than what you imagine" and while you're shut you reject all useful life eperiences.
Hey why does that peasant draw better than me? He didn't even use my superhuman gibberish learning methodology based off some high level concepts I don't understand! How dare he beat me by just drawing consistently and deliberately. Could his methodology be better? Um... Meh he's just a pervert. I'll go on my way.
Makes sense. There's a saying about war that "no battle plan survives first contact with the enemy," and I think that rings true with most martial artists if there's a fight where they don't expect one. Like you point out, martial artists, just like any athletes, have to get psyched up, put their game face on, and all that if they're going to win a fight. If you sprang a fight in 21-yr-old Mike Tyson's face, you may knock him down before he can put his game face on, but once he does: yo' dead. Machiavelli says "if an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." The trick with a street fight is being able to cause that injury before the martial artist can make sense and retaliate.
That's just it. Mike Tyson IS a martial artist. He is not untrained or inexperienced.
Also, no, experienced martial artists don't need to warm up and psyche themselves up to perform. Like a professional singer, you bet your as$ they can sing and in private probably do sing without warm up. The pros are picked from those who have "walking around" abilities to hone into perfection in the first place, not that there are some pros that need warm up and some that don't. It gives you a 1% edge in performance and lowers chances of injury when used in moderation, that's it.......
I mean if they are legit and any good.
Also, Machiavelli was talking about the "proper" way for a "proper gentleman" to maintain control over lower poor peasant people and how to not lose their income to insurrection.
You just repeated his admonishment for governments to be ruthless to the poor. Basically, he is saying that breaking a few bones of the uncooperative is worth restoring order and control before they get any bright ideas to rebel against your rule. Shame.
@@TheRealNickG There's literally a quote by Mike Tyson, saying how he was afraid of his (current) opponent for months, and only when he got in the ring did he feel he was unbeatable.
@@TheRealNickG damn is this fr, a dude literally said that governments should be ruthless to the poor and break their bones so they dont rise up? well, BIH for this dude.
@@thomaskunz3089 oh yeah, philosophy is full of the roots of craziness. The irony here is that the time period was so violent that what he was actually advocating for kings and lords of the day to stop being quite so cruel and was trying to say that they should "only" kill enough people and show enough cruelty to keep order and to control their egos and stop laying waste to the countryside every time someone sneezes a way they don't like. Be ruthless in gaining control, but never apply more than necessary to gain control if you want to be a rich and powerful king for a long time.
The very first thing I learned when doing legit kickboxing and boxing was that I was helpless, fragile and weak. Completely impotent in the face of any form of fisticuffs.
Which is why i keep going there. It's a sort of self-sustaining pattern, once bootstarted.
Thank you. I am 80 and I had army basic training at 21. I started training in martial arts when 30. I trained a bit in a few different styles including krav maga. No black belts or master in any and i always appreciate and agree with your dialogues and demos. Especially this one.
Wish you a good and long life! Respect!!!🍀👍
The ability to negate fear and channel aggression is something most martial arts schools deliberately disable. This comes from dojos turning into day-cares for 8-year-olds.
I've been thinking this for years: aggressiveness is crucial, especially against someone who does not expect to be attacked. You just can't stop being surprised fast enough to react, and then it's all over. But some people...they just can turn an on/off switch in their minds and just go berserk. It's really difficult to deal with that
Learning to feel out a persons intent and leaving or disarming that situation is whats easier than letting it end in a brawl.
So I answered this question using my students as a whole, which comprise youth, housewives, some adult males (no children). Could my common student fare well in with an aggressive attacker?
Answer: Not really. But most of my students only want to defend themselves and that mind set needs developing to be more effective. So I guess the average Martial Arts I would guess fails. BUT
(and you knew that was coming), they would all fare better in a fight with some training, that I'll stand by.
Great video Ramsey on what is a topic I feel doesn't get spoken about nearly enough. The amount of people I've come across who train and believe that they would be effective "on da streetz" is absolutely ridiculous the conversation always goes "I would counter this with this" and so on. The one major recurrence I have noticed is that the guys who know how to fight and are good at fighting, avoid fights like the plague, because let's be honest whether it was a sanctioned fight or a brawl the aftermath is horrible and no one feels good after fighting.
The only other thing I would like to mention is that there is always an element of randomness, for example if your attacker has a weapon, or multiple attackers(you get the jist) the amount of damage you will take will just go up. People need to stop the delusion that because they train that they can fight; like you said if you train to be better at fighting you will be better at fighting, I feel this bridges back into your point from previous videos that the best way to train for MMA is to train MMA and to develop your mind and body.
Anyway I think I've waffled on long enough great video Ramsey if you read this have a great day 👍😁.
Absolutely. I am always thinking at amateur level at that point. I can't honestly say I'm very good. But I think I could protect and deal some dmg to some extend. But I never provoke or start a fight first. It's completely useless to look for a fight. Avoid at all costs. That's even better than going into one. If you have no other choice, or you have to protect some close person, lover and so on, do it. But just don't do it because of ego.
Oh yeah. I train with weapons, one the things I enjoy a lot is sparing with knives (dull or plastic ofc with proper protection and so on), and even tho I feel confident that I can make a clean hit around 50% of the time (which is great, because the amount of double hits such short weapon promotes is astonishing) I would hate to be in an actual weaponed fight. In a real fight nobody would win, most likely both people would be badly damaged, and the person that fared better physically, psychically would still be an absolute wreck.
@@sirnick12 "no one wins in a knife fight" and "the loser dies in the street, the winner dies in an ambulance" come to mind.
Also I worked with someone who did larp fighting and had a boffer dagger. I told him at one point I was interested in martial arts and dagger/knife fighting, and he had me come at him with a shitty plastic fast food take out knife, thinking he'd be fine, I left a giant bloody (not deep) slash on his forearm. I still wonder if he learned anything like I did that day.
"no one feels good after fighting"
Lol. Imagine being that detached from reality and caught up in cliches.
Fighting feels awesome and when you win its the best thing ever.
@@HeartlessKnave
More cliches off of the internet. Fights with knives happen all the time and most of the time both parties don't die.
Your quotes are just a super lazy way to pretend that you're in the know or ruggedly realistic, when in reality, you know absolutely nothing besides the witticisms you parrot.
Been thinking about this one a lot, recently. You can tell when a person understands, and is willing to accept the consequences of their violence, and when they're just acting a fool for the ego boost. I did a lot of research in college on crime and the US prison systems, and a common theme with people who have actually done violent things in their life is that often they regret doing it.
Tl;Dr - humility is cheaper than bail money
Of course they regret it when they're in prison.
A boxing coach from the country I live in once told about a good fighter training at his gym, who 'got into a street fight' and it ended kinda badly because of social pressure, cause he thought it would look dumb, to stand in a boxing stand etc. So there is also things like that you wouldn't consider.
@@matthiasmax2849 Ramsey has done a video on everything you have just referenced. You are wrong.
That's not a street fight
I just finished reading Rickson Gracie’s book called Breathe. At the end of the book Rickson says that he’s disappointed by modern BJJ because they’ve taken all of the self defense techniques away and made BJJ a sport. Rickson said most BJJ students would LOSE a real/street fight because they have NO self defense skills! He said BJJ students can’t dodge punches, can’t score takedowns, and rely on winning by points because they can NOT finish opponents with a submission. Rickson said that he’s dedicating the rest of his life to bringing self defense back to BJJ. Rickson said he hates to see the way his family’s art has been weakened! He said it’s disrespectful to his father Helio and the rest of the Gracie family. He also said the average untrained thug would beat any modern BJJ student.
Great stuff.
Similar thing happened to judo. Jigoro Kano was very reluctant to become a part of Olympics cause he tought his discipline would become too sporty and lose the focus on what was important which in his head was self-defence, and he was right.
depends on the gym, but yeah some gyms are "competition" gyms and train for competing and emphasis on points.
However getting in to mount or having good back control will score you 4 points but can also help in some situations in the real world too.
When BJJ guys start practicing in the parking lot outside of the Dojo
Smashing thier knees and elbows , ect on concrete and asphalt them I will believe this
But we all know that is never going to happen
The old school vs modern paradigm is just something the old schoolers want you to take on. The sport has simply evolved.
Yep. Unless you're plus 200lbs and outside of your blue belt, that 230lbs (angry) man is going to be very hard to handle. And if you don't compete you've never really felt that intensity.
Turns out some martial artists / fighters also seem to think they're untouchable. BJ Penn was Knocked out by a random drunk in da streetz.
BJ Penn was drunk out of his mind, though.
@@natebergen5313 As was the other guy. Excuse invalid.
100% agree, and it's madness that there are people that don't. In my case for example, in my first tournament fight I thought "this is going to be easy, I'm just going to do what I normally do in training and then move on" but when the fight actually begun the guy rushed at me, i freaked out because everything I tried didn't seem to work so the guy beat me up so bad that i ended up crying. So definitely something worse could happen to an average martial artist in a real fight, not only to an average martial artist, also to high level guys, like that time when somebody broke into the house of Anthony Smith, a light heavyweight top level MMA fighter and he also was scared and didn't knew what to do
It's true. Most martial artists I've trained with or seen are not fighters, brawlers, Warriors. Because maybe it's something you're born with or not. But there are those who are. Those who are will make an attacker have a really bad day.
I would contend that warriors are made not born, but true warriors are made from fighters.
I say true warriors not as a no true scotsman but from the fact of many soldiers have shot over the heads of enemies rather than kill them.
Aggression is key. If you cannot bring yourself to attack, you cannot bring yourself to defend. You absolutely, one hundred percent, have to be able to navigate your own aggressive feelings and operate on that level if you plan on "fighting." An example - when I was just turning 20 I knew I had a fight coming my way because a relative was going to be getting out of jail and I had no intention of letting them near another relative. I knew before it even started that it was going to be a fight. I knew he had been in jail, a violent, unstable environment where stress hormones run high and aggression is just the way the world works.
I asked myself, if at 20 years old, I had the gumption to physically face someone, even though I was a red belt in Goju Ryu and was actively athletic at the time - who had been through that kind of experience. My ego wanted to say yes, but I sought my dad's advice and he did his best to talk me out of a direct confrontation. He told me there was nothing wrong with being a good person who didn't look for trouble or that didn't want to hurt people. I agree, hurting people makes me feel bad. I don't like the feelings it makes me feel, I don't like the taste of copper on my mouth, I don't like having to breathe smoke out of my lungs for an hour or two after confrontations. I don't like feeling my heart beat through my entire body so forcefully that I can't hear anything else.
But I still had the advantage, and I was still determined to see it through. I knew what was going to happen, he didn't. I decided not to make a big show of it, I decided that I would play it smart, have my brother and a friend there with me with a few aluminium t-ball bats and let him know that any violence would be revisited on him threefold. When he eventually showed up, we crowded him away from the house, told him he wasn't welcome there, and sent him on his way.
The funny thing, and the point of this - when he was confronted with 3 guys with baseball bats and a bad attitude, all of the violent life he had lived, all of the jail time experience and his own wrestling days in high school meant absolutely nothing in the face of an actual life or death violent threat. He hardly said anything then and there, he was shocked and was basically speechless - he left without incident. Weeks later, I ran into him at a dollar store and he mean mugged me - but that was the extent of it, but my hair still stood up on the back of my neck and my guts went cold just for a split second.
Thank you, Ramsey Dewey. And thank you for shouting-out "Martial Arts Journey" YT channel.
This is so true. I got leg kicked full force for the first time a week ago (me & my mate trading leg kicks) after 8 years of martial arts training & I was thinking "man, how do fighters take these kicks like nothing". I didn't let on how hard that leg kick was but my leg was numb for a couple minutes. That's when I realised that fighting a bigger guy is extremely dangerous since a guy my size could hurt me that bad. If martial artists practiced full contact once in a while they'd realise how dangerous their claims actually are.
What do you train? Muay Thai?
Nah, I did point karate (got a 1st dan in that) & gloved karate = full contact with gear (brown belt in that) & a blue belt in jujutsu.
Lawrence : Certainly it hurts. Officer : What's the trick then? T.E. Lawrence : The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it hurts.
Well the difference is that the bigger guy doesnt kick with good technique and hasnt practised the same kick enough times to be lethal
@NoRockinMansLand true that a bigger guy hasn't thrown a few thousand round kicks like a real striker, but force = mass x acceleration. Even if they aren't able to coordinate their body to maximise their force summation, their greater mass balances things out.
and society punishes you if you're reactive enough to be effective in a jump attack.
If you do some dangerous maneuver every time someone jump scares you by accident, they'll close you somewhere safe from society
I’m a ccw instructor and you have no idea how many times I have to explain this concept to students. So many people come into my classes thinking they’re Clint Eastwood and fail to realize how much legal trouble one bad call can land them in.
@@joshbruns7403 I tell my friends I'm interested in HEMA and they say to one another "we better keep this nerd away from any weapon". That's probably what they have in their mind. Except with a medieval weapon.
Love the way you talk/storytell, very entertaining. I can also tell you’re an intelligent guy. Good vid 👍🏼
I absolutely agree with you, especially about how those of us who understand violence avoid it.
If a person responds to fight or flight with fight and inflared aggression. Best thing is ever run like ctazy from them or lots of distance and allow them to vent and carm down. Still might not work for everyone but will for most .
1000% agree. Most martial artists only have experience in 'practice/dojo speed'. Even an untrained guy, if they are throwing a FULL-SPEED-MEANT-TO-HURT punch it will suprise and shock most martial artists. Heck think about the FIRST time a martial artist spars at a tournament (or a SERIOUS sparring session) and how it normally seems 'so fast' to the neophyte fighter. You have to train a certain way to be able to ACTUALLY fight.
This was a really good take on this topic, I really appreciate you making this video
I love this post! Lots of truth, lots of humor, thanks Ramsey!
Thank you!
I think this is very true and very important for martial artists to acknowledge. All the training in the world does not prepare you for violence, and it's good for martial artists to have the humility to realize this.
An opinion I couldn't agree with more.
Of course it does.
You think someone, who snowboarded for 20 years has no advantage at all when it comes to skateboarding?
It being wheels means he's somehow on par with or worse than someone, who never did anything board-based?
@@MrCmon113 skated for 40yrs.surfed for 30.can't snowboard to save my life.no advantage.was a regarded streetfighter in london in the 70s.i have experience of all the things you mention,and allude to,and i'm sorry...he's right and your'e wrong.the fact you would compare these things to any kind of violence,evidences that.
It's very hard to simulate the terror you feel when you know someone is trying to just hurt you, and nearly impossible to simulate the higher level of terror when you know they are trying to kill you. This is why no matter how much police and military soldiers train, their accuracy during a firefight is super low. Because our bodies don't react the same in training as it does in a real fight. I'm not sure if self-control would be considered a technique or its own category, but the ability to calm yourself, breathe, and analyze your opponent's movement is also a part of successful self-defense. Part of self-control is understanding that you will get hit and hurt but pushing through the pain to neutralize your threat. Sadly, many attackers have a lot of experience fighting and have that mental edge over regular people.
The point is sparring as much as you can... Learning how to breath is amazing .. I think Fight IQ is the most important part of surviving of aggressive attacker .. ,
...and all that counts for nothing when you come up against someone who just wants to hurt you,and does not care how hurt they have to get to achieve that...
Great video as always. Most people that get into fights have low impulse control and aren’t thinking of or don’t care about the serious consequences of a fight. I worked with inmates on work release and some of them are way too comfortable being in jail.
Great commentary on the OODA Loop!
Observe > Orient > Decide > Act
Whether you like it or not, each of these must occur in order, and they all take time. The best fighters interrupt their opponent's OODA Loop, which keeps them off balance and constantly responding instead of initiating.
I used to be so haunted by my retreats, my instances of backing down, my acceptance of intimidation and humiliation. I am almost comforted by them now. What was at the time fear and shame feels more and more like compassion and wisdom now. Regret is slowly being replaced by relief.
only sensible creature here
Forget if it was Chewjitsu or Ramsey who said--if you want to find out if your mount retention is actually good, try it against the spazziest white belt in the gym. Great stuff as always, Ramsey!
Sounds like something both of us would say! I approve!
@@mikevaldez7684 Hi Mike. Where am I? I suggest you watch the first five seconds of almost any of my thousands of videos and that will answer your question.
As far as a test of my knowledge goes: the correct answers are A, B, B, C, 57, 104, True, False, and D (none of the above).
You are the sum of what you train: attitude, aptitude, application (context, experience, situational awareness, techniques, judgement).
Thank for putting this out, I teach this
I totally agree with you on the point that a predator on the street is of a COMPLETELY different breed than a normal human being that just wants to go about his business in peace. And most Martial Artists are exactly that! Normal human beings! Unless you're in a profession that regularly puts you in contact with hyper aggressive , ruthless , violent predators , you'd better study and learn how they operate. At least then you may be able to adjust your thinking and decide way ahead of time, that you need technique, strength, ( physical and emotional) and the HEART to do what you need to do if and when you find yourself in a nasty situation.
Ok ok I agree up to a 95% with you Ramsey. The rest of people that I consider that would actually be able to defend themselves, that 5%. Those are the martial artist that train in a very specific way. They have the skills and the athleticism, but they control they agression. They know up to where and when they have to be agressive, depending on the level of attack.
Those people are those who train to fight. They are sparring to fight. They don't practice three times a week, they train almost every day.
You make a very good point but those same 5% of people are for the most part good people. I think what he`s trying to say is when you`re faced with a thug who has zero disregard for his own life it`s a real threat.
So Joe Blow can be aggressive when attacked, but when he picks up boxing he somehow loses that ability?
Completely untrained people fight off aggressive attackers all of the time, but when you learn how to do an armbar, suddenly you can't muster an appropriate response anymore?
@@MrCmon113 No, when you are really good at it, you can control the amount of aggressiveness that you need to apply. There are people that show no aggressiveness or better said no feelings when fighting. They are completely calm. They can go from being completely calm, to completely concentrated in a second. They only concentrate on beeting the shit out of their opponent.
Those are really dangerous people.
Everything you learn is good, as long as you can implement it with your own style.
I love how you closed the conversation. Violence is not something we should gravitate toward. I love that.
Very good analysis, thanks coach! Greetings from Germany
Exactly my sentiment on this. It is one of the big reasons martial arts is so misunderstood in general.
People lifting cars with adrenaline flow tells me i don't want to fight with anyone with a true fight or flight response who choose fight and flight is no longer an option. When pushed to the limit and cornered physical damage no longer matters and they will hurt you as much as they need until their subconscious and hormonal response tells them they arent in danger anymore. These people act, because they arent thinking anymore, just like the best fighters do in the ring. They act before they can re-act because its already to late.
At this point as the calm logical martial artist you not only feel more hurt from the hits, you're also slower because you're most likely thinking about your next move and how to counter which puts you one step behind. I have sparred quite alot and the ones i end up with the most fear of getting hurt from are the beginners who get a fight response and are no longer aware of the fact that they arent pulling the punches.
If the person attacking you (as in they have already started an attack and arent weilding a weapon) does it out of ego and not a harmful situation, you react with real aggression back. You dont jump on someone who is willing to die just so they can kill you.
Theres a reason cops use weapons to subdue aggressive people, and it takes three or more people to take down a single aggressive individual.
Then throw certain drugs in the mix and if the attacker is high on those drugs they won't feel your shots
Thank you for your honesty...
You said it Best Coach don't get in any Altercation if you can help it avoid at all costs
It’s true. A lot of aggressive people are ambush hunters. They wait for you to let your guard down, or when you aren’t paying attention to make their move. In this context, fighting skills (that are properly pressure tested in training) can be important if you and the attacker are locked in sustained combat. But just as, if not more important, is awareness if your surroundings. If you develop good situational awareness, you can most likely (not always) avoid a confrontation long before it gets violent.
It is a hard pill to swallow but I believe it to be true. I'm a middle-age guy and I am a 2nd dan in TKD (testing for 3rd this summer) and I've been training for over 12 years now. I do it because: I like the class. I want to get in better shape. I love doing patterns. I really like the people in my academy.
But I have no delusions about my chances in a "real" fight with someone that wants to hurt me and has no regard for their own well-being. I like to THINK I could hold my own or, at the very least, not die but I don't know... I've never been in that situation. I'm older, I'm a little over-weight and I'm slow af (IMO). I'll keep training as long as I am able but I hope I never have to actually put it to use.
Scott, I love your comment, like the way you listed what you enjoy. I like to think of it as a musician. I've been playing piano for 12 years. I love to play I love the people I've met thru playing and I just like the way I feel. Will I be in a big time band? Not likely, but I still play on, it works for me. Health and peace to you sir.
A pan with no fire under it cooks no meal.
Great video as Always Sir!!! Bravo!!!! Illusion in fight contest is deadly. Only hard work can give one some chances of defending oneself. Martial arts without fighting are, maybe, just good for health but, I'd say many times, not too good for Egos. 🙏🙇♂️💪
"...they're nerds.. ".
Damn, bro went there.
I've been attacked in the past, but the only "trained" response I could muster was putting my guard up after the initial hit. I could "fight", but it wasn't the type of boxing I practiced, I was high on adrenaline and trying to make space between the threat, and it wasn't something I was conscious about.
In a spontaneous fight, you aren't performing, you do whatever your body lets you do, and then you "wake up". It's over in a flash. Unless your idea of street fighting is "Hey, you angered me! I challenge you to fisticuffs!!!!" you're not going to be using your martial art when attacked.
You might use some reflexes you've drilled into your brain. But still, you're either freezing up or going on an autopilot mode where you don't even know half the shit you usually do.
I’m glad you mentioned “autopilot” because I feel like this rarely gets mentioned. As an amateur boxer for 20+ years, this is what separates amateurs from pros, and world champions from all-time greats. The ability to turn off autopilot mode and not solely rely on drills will make you a better fighter. It’s easier said than done obviously.
In a street fight, you don’t want to think too much and wind up “analysis paralysis” but also not be on autopilot. Fighting is just as much mental as it is physical.
Lol that depends massively on what you're training. I don't know If you're doing Aikido or Wing Chun but full contact martial artists can definelty use their skills in a street fight and it will give them considerable advantages. The ability to grapple and throw that a judo black belt has will give them a huge advantage once they get hold of you. They train explosively and throwing you onto concrete will make them even more devastating than in the mats.
That's why you do competitions so you can handle the stress
@@usnavyvet3965 well said
That’s why training is important. You are as good as your lowest level of training. I’m a cop that trains bjj and judo. I wind up using these pretty often, but I can tell you that Osoto Gari and Kimora’s are the most frequent “moves” that I use. Because they are easy. Perps hand is on ground. I go for Kimora. Perp needs to be on ground. Osoto Gari is instinctual even to untrained fighters.
I find that full contact ice hockey is a pretty good skill builder for fighting: balance, distance management, endurance, being accustomed to acute physical contact and anticipating how to respond/developing appropriate reactions, etc. I also found that I really didn’t like when people aggressively pressured me, so I learned to importance of doing the same…
You got into a lot of street fights after your hockey? What was your record?
Balance is specific to the situation. Unless you're attacked on the ice I don't really see the carry over. Climbers and dancers also balance, but those are different scenarios than in striking, wrestling and grappling.
Otherwise I agree though.
I think American football is an awesome martial art, because you also practice catching up to people and taking them down. E. g. gypsy kids that stole your wallet
Ramsey is an awesome guy. Entertaining, a realist, and occasionally really funny.
Couldn’t agree more sir thx 🙏
I legitimately started Karate to be like Ryu......from Street Fighter......the video game. NO REGRETS!! HADOOOOOOOOKEN!!!
and i wanted to be like Ken :) Shoryuken
I wanted to be like Ryu Hayabusa from Ninja Gaiden/DoA2. It's why I STILL buy Hayabusa gear.
Follow your channel for a while now and was curious how this poll turns out. I think some of the responders to the poll may have not taken a generic stance of "can this group of people do well in a circumstance like this"; but rather "can this (mine) art and what i've learned defend me in this circumstance", evident in the amount of people who responded with "no they can all fight". I agree with what you say about this topic. Of course, most martial artists, when faced with a psychotic creep trying to take their head off "in the street" wouldn't do very well. We'd be lucky to snap out of the "wtf is happening" mode, survive and minimize our injuries, at best. At worst, we would get seriously hurt, or killed. The people who are physically fit to "fight for their life", could very effectivelly organise themselves quickly, and overpower the aggressor with their skillset and sheer violence that they can control at will, are outliers that are few and far between - the people who really embody their art, one could say, from a classical standpoint. This is the case with literally anything, that when you put a group of people in an extreme circumstance only very few would shine brightly, while most would probably not be up to the challenge. Imagine a random sprinting team, both professionals and amateurs, whose members suddenly have to outrun an Olympic gold medalist - how many Ussain Bolts are gonna be, statistically, on that team that could do that? Same with martial arts. It's a tough reality of this field of practice. Unfortunately some people like to delude themselves thinking that doing some katas for 1.5 hours twice a week is gonna save them when someone really angry and really strong mistakes them for breakfast.
But the reality for most non-sociopaths living in the West the toughest battles survived would have been a flame war on social media often leading to their leaving social media for some time disabling facebook. I'm not knocking the pain and anguish and martial arts perhaps should have taught them how to let go of their egos but it may not work well then. And in terms of violence from childhood onwards there is a low level background muzak of bullying that goes on (certainly in India from school to university and then careers in most fields it appears especially if you are a woman or belong to the wrong caste. Again not sure if martial arts can train you to let these minor irritations slip by. Then there's domestic and friend on friend boundary violations which people have to sort out. These are all the common or garden conflicts that people experience in peace time where there is a professional police force and the rule of law. The scenarios described is the one that people fear perhaps the reason they take up martial arts and remains the least likely for many something that they will never experience. Another reason why people are delusional about it. It's never happened to them and probably never will.
Ramsey!!! You are a bloody genius!!! And pretty funny as well. 😂
Hahaha! Thanks
Im just glad u put the word "MOST" in the title.
I know many Karatekas that would easily break an attackers face (as aggresive as he is) in no time.
(i also know many Karatekas that would get steal by a granny or a kid), so yeah, including that word validates the video for me. Thanks Coach! 😁😁😁😁👍👍👍👍
I love this video. You're right 100%. Even in MMA, even in Full Contact Kickboxing... Or BJJ, Catch Wrestling. Boxing... Whatever. You have plenty of people that come in there and they'll spar sure and they'll hit pads. They may even be very good at hitting those pads, even good at throwing those techniques. Though they have no interest in fighting, or competing or going through that journey. Which is fair. Some people don't want that. Fighting is hard. Yeah sure, there's people out there that spar but that's different. Your sparring partner is not going to aim to hurt you. He's usually working on some part of his technique, he doesn't want to really injure you, because if you're injuring sparring partners then you limit who you can train with (and the instructor isn't going to be happy about losing another student for a fair while).
I think, the people that make fighters and would handle themselves well against aggressive untrained fighters, are people that were already fighters or handled themselves against untrained fighters before they learned how to fight. Before they started training. I'm not talking about people that would necessarily win those fights either. Just people that if you put it on them, would fight back regardless of how good they were at it. Regardless of whether they got an arse kicking or not.
I was also a bullied kid, though I was more bullied mentally or by being a tad shunned due to a mental condition I didn't have a proper grasp on. Physically, people didn't tend to. Because the few that did found that, while I didn't have the best punch on me, I'm naturally tough and quite dull to pain. I could take a hit and I'd fire back like a cornered animal. Didn't win a lot of those fights, probably took a worse beating than the other guy (even though I could take that beating so the pain didn't much bother me) but he damn sure knew he'd been in a fight. Basically, I don't just dump all of my adrenaline and freeze up.
Added to this, which as gotten me in trouble a few times, I tend to react to being startled by hitting back on pure instinct. Even when I know I'm in a situation where I'm likely to be startled. Such as those fun fair horror house things. Which I've put myself through with my wife and he to apologise to some poor actor when he's jumped out and I've went straight into fight mode and narrowly avoided hitting him. Or when I've been playing a very scary video game (such as Alien Isolation) with the lights off and my wife decides to tap on my shoulder and do the "BOOO" thing and I've reacted by immediately throwing an elbow right behind me, hitting my wife and resulting in a cold night sleeping on the sofa.
Now, I hate anecdotes and that's all I've wrote there in terms of a supporting theory. Which I fear may sound like I'm bigging myself up more than I feel comfortable with. Though, I'm sure there's plenty out there that can kind of relate to this and have been there before.
There's a reason that I'm part of the handful of fighters at our MMA gym (Yes, handful out of a large class of students) and I'm sure the other fair few fighters on that team are probably built up of the same thing I'm built up on. Loving the video anyway Ramsey Dewey. Look forward to more.
As I nightclub bouncer here in the UK most of the people whom went to the traditional martial arts clubs I used to go to like Kung Fu and Jitsu Foundation would crumble in fear and they techniques they teach wouldn’t work in many of the situations I’ve been in, including the instructors. If you want to look after yourself on the street do full contact martial arts/combat sports as well as work on your strength/fitness for both are essential.
Underrated comment right here, folks. Basic strength/fitness conditioning and an actually useful martial skill (boxing/wrestling/BJJ/Muy Thai).
@@morganmoose On a slight tangent, my twin girls have been taking karate for a couple of years now plus pre K gymnastics. They started football practice on the weekends. They can barely manage an hour but really love it, partly coz they get another uniform they follow fashion. But yeah there's a different level of intensity doing football drills in a small group. It will all help. I doubt they will ever get involved in a street fight mind. I certainly hope not. Actually not sure why I am still sending them for martial arts training. I guess it will be a foundation for something. And with belt promotions they get biofeedback if they work hard consistently they can succeed in stuff.
@@user-rc8br5sw6j anything beats nothing! I will still encourage you to consider BJJ as the overall most "useful" casual martial skill. ANY basic grappling is a ridiculous advantage and it helps set the right mindset towards any possibility of future conflict.
I listened to and participated in these discussions before you were even born, Mr. Dewey. You are right, but most serious folks have always known this. The teachers we had in the early-70's through early-80's were generally hardcore military veterans who would have been serious physical threats due to aggressiveness and athleticism even without formal training.
Excellent information in my opinion . A lot of thought, knowledge and understanding of psychology behind that .
Coach, I have to agree with you most definitely on this one, especially after hearing dudes in combative training explain to me things like: "I used to do the karate but I forgot everything.....I was a 3rd-degree black belt!!" I grew hanging out with "Average street thugs in Brick City (Newark NJ) and I got lucky and lived in the Philippines with my crazy ass cousins who liked to go off base quite a bit into 1977-79 Olongapo (Got my first tattoo there), went to Hong Kong for a few months, and back to Okinawa; they hung out with some unsavory folk and it was always "Let's go hang with these dudes!!" I thought I could fight because I was from Newark, they just taught me how to fight even better. When I came back home I was even worse when it came to fighting and adding martial arts training to the mix, sheesh, I got suspended a lot 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣!! My uncle used to say out in town they'll go upside your head just like back home so stay close to your cousins and I bet you learn to mix it up, even more, he was right.
I completely agree, especially since this is a taboo subject in the world of martial arts or combat sports. I was a combat sports practitioner, and I spent 25 years of my life being a bouncer and a security guard, and if I am violently assaulted and by surprise, I’m not sure at all I’m responding effectively, because I’m not violent, because I’ve never been violent, and because an unknown situation disarms us.
Thank You for reading, now get out of here, and don't brawl 😉
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I think more gyms should do a "self defense" night / class where surprise attacks are drilled for this very reason
😂 you just gave me a whole new way to imagine the persona of the CZcams ai. That was great. At like 1:43
You Crack me up 🤣 love your input
Another thing with street fights is the question of whether you can even see the attack coming, because it's actually pretty likely that they come from a blind spot or just completely from behind, there are situations where you could see an attack coming and even predict it and that's usually the situations that start verbally but then begin to escalate.
Both of these types of things have happened to me before and especially the attacks that hit you by surprise are especially hard to deal with, because at first you're gonna be confused and disoriented, even the situations where you can see the fight coming it's still a thing where you're used to training vs people who apply certain techniques and during sparring they tend to hold back, but you don't know wtf someone who is untrained is gonna do, they're harder to predict than a trained fighter or at least that's how I experienced it.
Also about the lack of confidence thing, what do you think of being able to build confidence through becoming competent at a martial art? Because I think that even if you come into a martial art with very little confidence, if you can become competent at that martial art you might also become more confident. But I guess that's a pretty big "if".
You could Also say : most untrained attackers cant fight and would be ambarrased by a trained martial artists
you could,if you wanted to invite ridicule...
About 1:23 in I think we could have stopped there. "If you're not a good fighter you're not a good martial artist." That used to be the conventional thought IME, and the fact we've allowed for too many nuanced distinctions has muddied the waters on something that should be pretty simple (one is either trained in an effective martial art they can apply or they aren't) . There really shouldn't be any daylight between those two things (martial arts and effective defense or fighting skills).
Semantics aside, I really appreciate and have thoroughly enjoyed your videos, perspectives, and approaches on philosophies and techniques over the years. You are a great attribute to the combat sport communities. Please keep up the great work!
I’ve seen boxers who can fight get beat or be scared outside.
Not because they weren’t the better fighter, but just because they panick in a real life situation that is not about professional competition.
I’ve also seen boxers demolish regular guys in the streets.
martial artists that train in Muay Thai, boxing, etc, will always have a better chance of winning a fight in the street than someone who hasn't trained in any art. I've known people that have done maybe 3 months of boxing (including regular sparring) and they can hold their own in a fight. their technique might not be great but they have the experience of getting in the ring with someone and they know to keep their hands up and throw basic punches and circle off. just little things like that will help when you're fighting the street attacker that has no footwork and is swinging their arms around with no technique while doing the leaning back thing that street fighters do. it would be easy enough for the beginner with 3 months of experience to keep their hands up and control the range and throw a jab at the attacker and split their lip. yeah there is still a possibility the guy with 3 months of experience will lose but he has a much better chance of winning than if he has no training and was fighting just as sloppy as the attacker. but this is specific to combat sports as if you do 3 months of aikido or wing chun and try to defend yourself you might actually be more likely to get hurt than if you didn't attend those classes. literally saw a wing chun master with 30+ years of experience get taken to the ground by a guy with 1 day of wrestling experience. I guess what I'm trying to say is depending on the martial art, any amount of training increases your chance of beating a street attacker but if the martial art you train is bad then you'll lose as the guy who throws rapid sloppy punches will beat the guy that just stands there in some kind of traditional martial arts pose.
Did you really expect me to read your testament???😂😂😂 nop
I started BJJ after getting attacked (along with 2 other guys) by a 6' 3" 250 lb rage monster. Granted he had a bit of baby fat, an energy drink and a cigarette, but he was used to bullying people and having his way. We handled him, but it was rough. His entire family ended up piling on. I had several cuts on my face from his wife's wedding ring. As a higher level blue belt, I'm infinitely better equipped to handle such a fight now than before. Not just because I've got moves- I'm ALWAYS carrying OC spray and usually packing a gun because I don't want to go to the ground with someone willing to go the ground. Those homeless junkie crazies where I live are all packing knives and a lot of them are illegally carrying guns. BJJ is my last line of defense. My first line of defense is situational awareness and controlling the distance between me and crazy. I make my daughter to BJJ and I make her roll with the more aggressive older boys to inoculate her from freezing up during an actual attack. She's 10 and can get tossed around like rag doll and still keep in the fight. She's 100x better off than before.
In Oregon the bums carry fucking machetes and mini-swords. Not playing that game, touch it while looking at me funny and you'll be looking down a barrel
Situational awareness is overrated. A smart predator will A: pre-sight their kill zone, and B: master stab-in-the-back tactics. Your only defense against that is either special ops tactical knowledge, or prayer.
@@tophernolastname2378 😂😂😂😂
I don't think special ops will be half as useful as simply not being there, if something looks/feels off about an area.
@pzepoekpo zpekpzoek He's talking like its a video game don't listen to him
Words. Thanks for the talk.
Very true! If it is not part of your daily life, a priority and always training. It does not work in the street. My husband does it for more than 35 years. He tells me it’s formidable how natural it occurs to him, it is like his body knows what to do right way.
Let me start by saying, I’m a Nidan in Kenpo Jutsu. We never trained to be the kind of athletes you see fighting in UFC. They are phenomenally trained and conditioned for that. We trained predominately for self defense. While I have only been attacked just the once, my art did save my life. It wasn’t pretty, and I was left with stitches in my face. I shouldn’t have been out at midnight, but I was in college and 19 years old. We all do stupid things at that age. I was struck in the face with a 2x4 piece of wood which ended up cutting my face and needing stitches. (Still have the scar) 2 of them and one me. It ended up being two of them kicking me on the ground, jumping me after having ambushed me. I assume they were trying overwhelm me or to get my money. I don’t know. When I was able to, I tripped one of them knocking him down as well giving myself a quick chance to stand, and when I got on my feet again I kicked the other in the center of his chest and onto the ground. The one that fell ended up running off, and the other ended up standing again after a minute. I remember he ended up grabbing me somewhere around the torso, and after kneeing him in the face a few times, dropping elbows, and a few fists, he ended up struggling and then running back away from me as well. It wasn’t pretty, and I was hurt. I was blind sided, smacked in the face with a piece of wood with blood pouring down my face, bruised all over my arms, back and sides, and limping from twisting my ankle when I fell. At the time I was thinking they were trying to kill me. Defending myself wasn’t pretty, and it didn’t go like it always goes in the movies. I was embarrassed, so embarrassed that someone could come up on me like that after training as much as did back then(afterthought the next few months). I may have been bloody, bruised, and exhausted, but I had my life. I still remember talking to the officer completing the report, and he stressed the importance of not staying out that late. We have to laugh.
It all depends on how prepared you were to be attacked. If anyone is suddenly attacked by dangerous or armed people your success hinges almost entirely on your ability to remain calm during stressful situations.
The military trains freezing out of you, I am able to react according to proper escalation of force 9 times out of 10. It still does happen though if you get the jump on me.
You bring up some good points! I think that the modern idea that martial arts are just a collection of techniques which will always save you is completely misleading. There was a local conflict here between a popular MMA fighter and boxer and some guy who had worked as a bouncer (I don’t know if he did some martial arts). These two guys had an argument in a local rave club. The MMA guy apparently wrestled the other guy to the ground and beat him successfully. This wasn’t the end however, some friends of the bouncer appeared and started kicking the MMA guy into the head and the stomach. One even smashed his skull with a rusty crowbar, causing him to have severe inner bleeding and a skull fracture. He died later in the hospital, the assholes who killed him weren’t even charged with murder or anything (I recall that one of them said something along the lines of "It was self-defense, the guy attacked our friend"). The point is that the MMA guy was obviously the better fighter, but in the end, this was useless, the bouncer and his friends just flat-out murdered this man in cold blood.
It's true. Most martial art schools are really not about teaching people how to fight. It always comes as a shock. The people running these places aren't interested in training people how to fight. You've got to train yourself. It's something that's never ceased to amaze me. That's like enrolling at a university and paying to teach yourself. Martial art schools are truly strange institutions.
Took my first mma class on saturday. I’ve got some years of karate and a year of bjj. I got worked. I sort of knew what to do at range (still got hit plenty). No knowledge of the clinch, and grappling changes a lot when you’re getting punched.
You have my total respect for trying it, hope you stick it out. My 10 year old son does kick boxing, MMA, Wrestling & BJJ for the last 18 months. A kid started at the gym who has done karate for 3 years, he was larger and older. My son tapped him in 31 seconds. Good MMA coaching is essential for being a great all round fighter in my opinion.
"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth."
Still doing the MMA, now 7 months later?
I trained in karate for many years. I thought that I was pretty tough and I was sure that I could handle any situation. Then I sparred with a Muay Thai fighter. I then realized that full contact was something I needed to learn. Then I started work as a bouncer. You can’t kick is crowded nightclub. So I had to learn aggressiveness to go along with my training. I was fortunate enough to learn a lot of life lessons in fighting without having to pay a high price for those lessons. I appreciate your insights.
Ramsey is right on. The key word is MOST martial artist can't fight. The reality is that only real hand to hand combat experience could teach you to be ready for a crazed pathological individual. You may have even lost some confrontations, but if you learn form them and win the next you never really lost.
I disagree that only experience in a real fight can prepare you for a real fight. Proper training can prepare you albeit not quite as well as a real fight, but still, real fights should be avoided at all costs.
I have been asking black belts that I train with if they have ever had to use their art on the street the vast majority say no. Great for them, but they will never know until they actually have to use it. I am not proud of it, but my training has actually saved my life against real bad guys. And I did not catch someone's fist in the air and do a wrist lock into a sweep and land in an arm bar. It was ugly and I was scared each time, but the key factors were experience, situational awareness, and my training.
@@TheWelchProductions I agree that they should be avoided and training does prepare you, but until you have that experience you do not know how you will react. The mental aspect is so important.
@@TheWelchProductions Real fights should be avoided indeed. And proper and constant training is what will get your body ready . But the shock of a real life or death self-defense situation gives you a unique experience and lessons that you could not learn in regular martial arts.
We think so much in martial arts, and im especially guilty. Ive always had a hard time getting out of my head and into the game but having hard rolls periodically and bringing actual negative feelings into it (still be nice to your partner) helped me turn up the heat
As a fan of the channel, I have to say that I respectfully disagree with Ramsey here. I think the point of martial arts training is to build in reflexes so that when you’re inevitably surprised by an aggressive attacker, you have some sort of response to the situation at hand. You might not win the altercation, and your best bet is probably still to run away. But to say that your chances of survival as a martial artist (no matter what your level of study) aren’t higher than the average, untrained person in the same situation is just nonsense. I think it was Icy Mike who said that “you don’t rise to the occasion in a street fight. You fall back on the level of your training.” So yeah, that’s my thoughts. But everyone is entitled to his/her opinion.
Agreed, very well stated. And the level of your training does make a difference. And to state that someone who trains hard. And puts everything they got into their training. Would not have a chance, against an aggressive person on the street is just nonsense! But yeah, everyone has a right to their own opinion.
Well put, I agree. A trained fighter will always beat an untrained "aggressive" fighter every time. Also if you not aggressive, 😂 don't be a fighter.
@Ricardo MA does it all reflexes, accuracy, strength training (not dumb bells) , the untrained planet fitness jockey, will lose every time, and if ur not practicing MA which is just the art of street fighting. Then well, you really don't know what you are talking about. Also it is not finding a good Martial Arr that is difficult, it is finding a good teacher. This Ramsey guy is literally a contradiction, and I think is messing with peoples heads because he practices JEW SHIT SHOE every day which is a MA. Everything except Karate and Krav MAGA i would say is effective. You would be better off learning boxing, which is really a sport, but could also be considered a MA. Plenty of MA incorporate different style of boxing. I love JKD because it does just that, Dan Inasanto, Anderson Silva, Tony Ferguson. And no JKD is not Wing Chun. If you don't want to take JKD take MMA, they are more alike. True JKD is a mixture between MMA and Wing Chun. JKD gets distorted alot because Bruce said basically find a way that is you own, so people go off the rails and do it completely wrong.
The thing you miss is, usually the aggressive guy on the street who is prepared to fight you, is also usually an experienced fighter who is also "trained" by experience actually fighting. Where-as the average martial artist is just trained in his art without the experience gained from actual fighting or dealing with real aggression. My money is on the street guy. Also from personal experience.
The problem is that “martial artist” is such a wide definition. Most “martial arts” aren’t “combat arts.” So all the points you mentioned-athleticism, aggression, etc.-are true, plus the majority of martial arts schools in the US tend to be karate day care. So yes, most martial artists can’t fight.
You can't teach people violence. They are either willing to raise the level of violence required or they shy away from it. Faced with truly violent actions they freeze. It is your entire being that responds - some people are hard wired to be a fighter - it is who they are.
@@ironwolfgaming9632 truly underrated comment here. People always talk about how you just need to bop the bully on the nose to get him to leave you alone. I'd say that works about 90% of the time. However, you have that 10% that have just been waiting on someone to fight back so they can release all the pent up rage and aggression. When that happens, you need to be willing to meet, and exceed, their level of aggression, or you're going to get hurt really badly. And the type of people I'm talking about, a bloody nose or busted lip won't stop them. Once they get going, you have to really hurt them to stop them.
That said, those types of people are rare. The vast majority are just bullies who want to pick on weaker people. Once you show you're not an easy target, they'll back down. If you do meet that other 10% however, you'd better be willing to fight like your life depends on it. It just might.
What's even worse, is sometimes people get trained out of an immediate aggressive reaction. People train to not hurt their training partner, do technical sparring and execute techniques properly, rather than spaz out. The result is that people are less likely to react with immediate aggression, and more likely to freeze in a violent confrontation.
alot of chinese TMA were .... if you were to travel back in time to like lets say the 1800s and learn Kung Fu, it be a whole different art that you would be learning. Most was outlawed and wiped out by the cultural revolution
@@kaneda956 agreed. The forms and movements from the old ways are still there, but their practical application has been lost over time. Ramsey had a video a few from a few years ago where he was explaining how the kinda stereotypical forearm forward martial arts block used to be an armbar into a counter attack. I'd bet that human history is full of stuff like this. Where the actions are still repeated to this day, but the reason for those particular actions has been lost.
Hey Ramsey, you had liked a comment I made several years ago when you were doing a segment on ineffective self defense in a women's magazine and other media. Only bringing that up to let you know I have been following you for a while and thought that your opinion might not be popular it is the truth. I have over 20 years in studying and almost as much teaching martial arts and I find what you say is very true. I am not talking crap on any martial artist, but personally I know martial artist that would destroy me in kata but most likely not in sparring or grappling. I have first hand experience at this and though I would never say I am amazing I did recognize this along with my own inability. I think often many feel that they are trained and ready for any situation, but this is not true. I have had to use what I have learned several times, nothing serious but training did kick in and that I believe was because I had been training to fight. You are right, many who train in martial arts are not good fighters and I believe that comes from choice and ego. Those who are decent fighters (I like to include my self in that mix) recognize they always could be better and are not fully sure of themselves in a fight because they know the consequences. Anyway, I have been enjoying your channel, and if I ever do decide to do any type of podcast in the future, would love to have you on. But if that doesn't happen just know you still have a fan and fellow martial artist following you. Thank you again.
Real life aggression is not something you learn in the gym lol. Grew up in a rather rough environment and go in a lot of fights, and sometimes people just come at you out of nowhere. People don't get into a stance in real life: they just swing or rush at you. I lost a fair few fights from being jumped at until I learned to stay ready, something which eventually came in handy in my short stint as a bartender. Most streetfights end before a martial artist can utilize their art. This is why boxing and wrestling are still the most useful styles for real-life situations. Those folks are tough, nearly always ready, and very situationally aware. It's also why people have been doing boxing and wrestling for thousands of years.