Conversation between Nima Arkani-Hamed and Armin Nassehi
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2022
- Nima Arkani-Hamed, theoretical physicist from the @videosfromIAS, Princeton, and Armin Nassehi, sociologist from the @LMU.Muenchen give answers to the question "What holds the world together?" The public event is part of the @EuropeanResearchCouncil grant AMPLITUDES (www.scattering-amplitudes.com) at the Max Planck Institute for Physics.
Video production: KUK Filmproduktion GmbH - Věda a technologie
Nima arkani-hamed needs to be on the Lex Fridman podcast
Hell YES
Lex wouldn't let him talk..
And in tandem with Donald Hoffman.
Just wait, it’s going to happen. The only problem is figuring out time and space! 😉
Nima Arkani Hamed needs to be on the Lex Fridman podcast as many times as possible
“We do not traffic in certainties.” - one of the best ways it could be said.
What we demand is a total absence of solid facts.
@@rockets4kids lmao… no.
@@timealchemist7508 someone will catch the reference...
You have to love Nima's subtle and sometimes not so subtle humor (perhaps at the expense of a certain philosophical school and its descendants). ;-)
Nima trying to get his head around the drivel the sociologist was speaking was the highlight of this talk for me.
The disparity between him and the room is apparent for sure.
The guys pretty good in German. In English... not so much.
Thank you very much for this opportunity. The panel was really interesting and helpful and was handled perfectly by everyone. I understood that science, in its search for facts and truth, as it is today, is not enough for itself or for us and probably never will be. In this way, I could also understand that scientists and science are very different things. We are our real challenge because the answers are probably waiting for us. In this sense, good science demands progressively healthier societies. Thanks again.
Dr. Paul Pietsch, in his book *Shufflebrain* on the memory of salamanders, came to the conclusion that memory was NOT contained in the brain, but retained hologrammically in “transform space.” Fourier transforms, in his view, were the process through which the brain converts experiences into memories, and then recalled from the same medium. You have talked about holography having a central role in the physics of the cosmos. Do you have any ideas about the role of memory (e.g., Rupert Sheldrake and morphic resonance) in physics?
Seems like a load of bollocks to me.
Yes we need more physicists.
Around 35:00 : very well put Nima.
The universe that is expanding may fizzle out at some point which could be labeled as "finite" but then it keeps on going maybe for a while without planets and matter but it keeps on going and that is the infinite beauty of Infinity.
Nima's work is very interesting. During a 2020 lecture, he very briefly revealed a diagram, showing what the relationships within his recent work looked like in Kinematic Spacetime. I found that diagram profoundly shocking, indeed I felt quite depressed for about six months. I'm no longer convinced our experiences are emerging out of the smallest things we know of up to the cosmological scale. It almost seems like they may be emerging out of structure at the biological scale... which in hindsight might make some sense, as it is apparently us, who are having this experience. There appears to be something profound yet to be discovered about where our experience of scale emerges from.
Great conversation
Interesting philosophical debate between persons who may- or may not know the answer to the opening question.
What Armin argued about the unity and the ambiguity, makes me wonder do we have a clear understanding of reality, in terms of space-time and consciousness? Without that judgements of the situations can only be local (in space-time terms) and subject to change that we all should live with and accept.
Like Beethoven's 5th, this talk would go no other way 👍create thought tapestry
Just wondering. Don't we already have an extra dimension where the quantum fields live? Virtual particles that pop up in our 3 dimension they then come from this extra dimension . This would have many consequences among others the vacuum energy would get a new perspective.
Dr. Donald Hoffman in his ideas of consciousness and conscious agents, reminds me of Armin saying that we cannot observe the relationships but can experience what people do and based on that make a model of the “society” of people in that room.
That's true. Society can only be measured indirectly. In this case I can really recommend the work of Niklas Luhmann. It's the first imo real approach to a theory of society. Theory of society meaning what characterizes society as a whole, as a system. That's why systems theory fits so well here.
Nima tells it like it is. Thank you!
What has caused no shepherd in the new age to dare to claim to be a prophet is the existence of such free-thinking and brave people.
Why the organize has no invited someone that understand?
Professor Nasssehi is so brilliant. Thankyou
I really thanks a lor
A good question could be: why we should spend 50 billion euros for the next large hydron collider and any European state doesn't want giving hospitality to imigrants?
You shoukd invest in the sound and image quality of your videos. 😌
54:20 Nima's impressively clued up on the historical development of theoretical physics where he correctly points out the periods of revolution and conservatism. Physicists like Freeman Dyson, Schwinger, Feynman etc showed that quantum field theory was fundamentally correct, taking a more conservative approach compared to revolutionaries like Bohr who were looking to abandon well established ideas. I vaguely recall that the Russian physicist Landau believed that field theory was in a mess and should be abandoned.
Nima Arkani-Hamed talks to Andrew Zimmern's twin brother.
Individualistic contrasted with collectivist social structures arguably constructs different sorts of rational persons who paradoxically do the same physics, or maybe not.
Chuck Taylor's...the indie physicist !
Both are Persian 🇮🇷 💪
How are the principals of Judaism being taught through the language and terminology of Science?
Has Hebrew mysticism ever had a finer audience and stage?
Ok, life is good
Hard problem of consciousness . Why is grass green, seemingly obvious, but inherently complicated maybe.
the accelerating universe may not be true please check article of Prof. Subir Sarkar titled: "Evidence for anisotropy of cosmic acceleration"
The jury is out on that. JWST should shed some more light on the matter.
Truth is simple that humans do not speak of it. if any theory looks like mumbo jumbo because it is designed that way. it is always appearance of truth that matters.
Both of them are Iranian
This is realm of lies , even truth has to pose as a lie to recognize and palatable to human brain
I see body language suggesting sex hormone activity. NOT saying this is wrong, just another form of energy. Interesting. How much are we influenced by our own hormones?
Will that invalidate my statement below. yes and no. its all perspective. In this realm of lies , lies are truth. truth is a lie. It has to be , no other way about it
35:59 If looks could kill…
Today's truth is tomorrow's false. Always.
24:15
I think I share Nima’s vision of the Truth and the doors it opens to us in consciousness. Great ideas!
Not a knock on either of these brilliant gentlemen, but these two topics didn't coherently connect for me in this dialogue. Kudos for trying, though.
Pretty obscure discussion. Both of them were not making much sense outside of their academic discipline. This was not the case about a hundred years ago.
Most people can't make any sense of the science we had 100 years ago and back then basically nobody could except for the few scientists who discovered it.
@@schmetterling4477, 100 years ago QM and Special relativity was already out. Try to read any interdisciplinary discussion at that time period. You would find much more depth than what I have seen here
@@syedmehedihasan2057 Dude, in 1922 there were no more than a few hundred people on the planet who could make sense of either QM or general relativity. Technically they couldn't really make sense of QM until roughly 1926-1929, if you take the time to read the actual literature from that period (which you are too lazy to do). I have met Nima Arkani-Hamed in person. You can't even imagine how much the guy knows. :-)
@@schmetterling4477no, I have actually read and thats why I know. You are just giving me number of people who practiced GR or QM, which is irrelevant to what I said. You have met Nima, that is irrelevant as well. Just read my first comment, do some follow through and get some insight. Chill
NIMA IS AMAZING-IT IS LIKE HE IS THAT HIGHER OBSERVER FROM ABOVE! I LOVE WHAT HE SAID IF WE DISCOVER A TRUTH- NO ONE CAN TAKE THAT AWAY’
I LOVE THAT HE SAIS “ WE CAN DOWN LOAD A PERFECT IN OUR LITTLE LOCAL” THE UNIVERSE ANSWERS US!
THESE PHYSICIST ARE THE VISION REVEALERS TAKING THE SPECIES TO ONE DAY- SUPER SPECIES - NEW SPECIES ! ELEMENTO ESPÍRITUS - FOR WHAT IS A PHOTON? NO MATTER IN MATH, SCIENCE, RELIGION , ART, TECHNOLOGY, MUSIC , DANCE , LITERATURE, WE NEED TRANSCENDENCE -WHERE THE ABSTRACT IMAGES MORE PERFECT THAT INSPIRE OUR IMAGINATION! THE UNIVERSE IS A CATHEDRAL AND THE LAWS ARE THE SCRIPTURE WRITTEN IN THE CANVASS OF OUR MINDS- THOSE WHO ASK , LIKE NIMA BECOME INITIATED INTO THIS AWESOME SACRED MYSTERY AND BECOME THE APOSTLES HELPING THESE HOMELY TO ILLUMINATES ME!
If you only stop using those terrible Caps, please! It degrades the quality of content of your post. Also, why would you cross out that part?
@@pk-fi1ok sorry my i pad goes into caps and i dont know why the underline. I did not underline .
Soooo…..there are structures outside space and time. Science better be very careful here.
Of course there are, you just don't know what that means.
@@schmetterling4477
I have a pretty good idea of the many implications. However, it’s the “Monad” that is the most interesting I think.
And is this just your opinion or do you have any work of yours to share with us, less careful scientists?
@@pk-fi1ok
I’m actually a 10th grade drop out with a very healthy appreciation of true science. If you’re implying that only scientists can understand science, well, says more about you than it does me. You don’t have to know geometry to understand Pythagorus and his philosophy. However, even I, with so little education, understand the many implications of this conversation. Maybe it’s because I have no reputation or money in the game that I can speak of it. Dismiss me if you want, but I’ll just think you’re being dishonest with yourself. Maybe you’ve picked a side between science and religion, I can keep my options open. I made no comment on the validity of this or any other theory just what it may imply if it turns out to be correct. I just find it interesting and will follow the science where it goes….even if it leads to a creator. Either way, very interesting stuff.
@@towboattrash It is you who is making assumptions here, not me, my friend. You stated something with no proof or other explanation plus you added a warning. I simply asked. You, instead of elaborating on the topic, put a ballast of ad hominem argumentation, with almost zero information. But let me give it one more try. You say:
"There are structures outside space and time." My question is "What do you know? Indulge me, please." Also you say:
"Watch out for it..." And I am asking "Why?", feel free to pass this question in the case the answer emerges from the answer to the first question.
Thank you!
Only nihilist has a chance to take a peek at the shadow of truth. Others can only imagine what is the truth is
I don’t think they get along well
126 TEV right between supersymmetry and multiverse? All your theories are falling apart. Start over with Electric universe theory and geometric unity. String theory is over
who would have thought, i think i would rather listen to a philosopher than a sociologist. Farout
What are we doing here then? We are basically TIME KILLERS and TIME WASTERS. is not nihilist view?
That sociologist is quite a bore...he adds very little to the discussion -- on the few occasions he's actually intelligible. Whatever was the point of his presence besides the intellectual fashion of being "multi-disciplinary"???
I was trying to give him an honest shot but I felt the same way. I don't think it makes sense to have a conversation between two people when one of them (the sociologist) doesn't understand Nima's talk well enough to even ask relevant questions about it. It's a shame because Nima's lecture was so good, and this was a real lost opportunity to get someone more interesting to get him talking off the cuff and going into more detail about what he's working on rather than being forced to talk about sociology.
@Björn Rieß Achso...ich habe nicht gemerkt, dass er sich auf Englisch bemüht hat. Vielleicht soll ich einige seiner Lektüre auf Deutsch gucken
No doubt much was "lost in translation" but unfortunately that still doesn't answer the question of 1) what did anyone actually expect the end of spacetime to do to society and 2) whatever was he saying anyway about any of that???
Are we supposed to get lower taxes because spacetime is doomed?? Will public transit be more or less supported because spacetime isn't fundamental??? Is racism and political correctness going to cancel each other out now that spacetime is merely emergent?????
Again, keine Ahnung WTF the good Herr Doktor Professor was saying or even why anyone thought he's the one to consult in the first place.....
You're absolutely right -- furthermore, it was just general "high-level" sophistry on science and society...nothing that any other scientist couldn't have also participated in -- literally nothing of Arkhani-Hamed (sp?) was necessary to this discussion.
Mildly interesting was the brief broaching on the pandemic but even there it wasn't anything specific to Hamed's expertise, just broad overarching bromides for the most part, really no insight.
It's my dream to one day bring together some principles of QM and of social science. Like the principle of entropy, entanglement, tunneling and gravity itself. I can't help it but, to me at least, they have a sexual resonance. And I'm not even a physicist.
What causes entropy in society? What happens after beside the falling apart of the whole? How does information and communication work in the forming of and/or changing of a personal and collective beliefsystem? What part does the dissonant play in holding the whole together?
I have a friend who's a physicist and we often argue about things that have to do with regidity. Society is such a complex system that regidity has no place there. The only inevetabillity is that of entropy, nothing else. A phenomena that can be good or bad. Like the climate change which forces us to rethink our way of living. Regidity as a multi interpretable event..
Social scientists are by large delusional. Hoping for some unification is like hoping a fish will climb a tree.
Have you heard of Psychohistory? Check out RP Mann's 'The entropic basic of collective behavior.'
@@Daniel-ih4zh Do you even know what you're talking about? You have the knowledge and competence for that?
@@bjornrie yes
@@Daniel-ih4zhHave you read Luhmann? Bourdieu? Elias? Goffman?
10:25 Rude body language and incredulous face when listening to a reply.
Nima made my day when he gave his opinion on the science around covid. It's refreshing to hear a sane voice express his opinion without fear of backlash. He's THE leader in his field so he doesn't have anything to worry about. It's essential that more trusted scientists speak out against this insanity.
What's the insane part about keeping people alive?
@@schmetterling4477 That's not insane and I didn't say anything about it. Try asking a question in good faith and you might be able to have a conversation. Your bad faith question is exactly what I was talking about and I thank you for proving my point.
Even the MSM is saying out loud what everyone who took the time to look into it for themselves has known for years. I strongly encourage you to do the same. We've got to get out of this and we must do it together.
Good day.
24:02 He's not so much "speaking out" against the scamdemic as much as simply being exasperated by the holier-than-thou attitudes of self-righteous people canonizing themselves as civic saints...I was hoping for a stronger statement against the scamdemic regimes implemented but it's more like he's against the style of things more than the thing itself....
@@mikehipps1015 Can you hear yourself right now? You sound unhealthy, to use a mild word.
@@davidchou1675 What are you hoping for here? That a smart person agrees with your insanity? ;-)
Synchronisation, ONE-INFINITY floating in hyperfluid, module-ation of/by logarithmic hyper-hypo, zero-infinity probabilistic superposition harmonic e-Pi-i sync-duration-resonance in/of relative-timing-> wave-packaging condensation.
Sociology is the study of systems. Science is a system. Physicics, math, doctors, nurses operate WITHIN a system. There.
That's why I quit mechanical Physics because I refused to BELIEVE in a boring mechanical worldview.
Do love theoretical physics though.
Sociology is biggest load of crap
Read Niklas Luhmann and Pierre Bourdieu.
Why exactly?
Boy, what has become the fate of a string theorist to weave hand waving arguments which is neither science nor philosophy!
Nima Arkani-Hamed is not a string theorist.