Human hubris of picking and choosing which commandments they agree and disagree with, like a cafeteria meal, is the reason society has slippery sloped it's way downward.
I want to follow the Torah but I've always had problems calling gay people sinners. I am all for loving relationships. Hashem will judge us all and none of us is without sin.
True, but now the question is how to respect people equally. I believe it is also the essence of the Torah. Being gay is one thing, but respecting the others is also another thing.
But isn't the greatest "rule" of all Love your God first, above all? With all your heart, mind, and strength? Abcd if that's the case Loving God trump's everything else, including, family, friends, being gay etc...
in Christianity, the orthodox church will ask the questions to be sure that the potential member is in alignment with the biblical values and teachings of the church so that every member is likeminded and working toward a common goal, the glory of God. sad that orthodox Jews do not practice the same.
In my personal oppinion the Jewis religion is the most openminded one, among the conservative ways of thinking. I always favored the Jewish religion over Christianity and Muslim :) thank you for this explanation! I practice Hinduism, here the core teaching point of view is that being gay is part of the creation, it's not a sin nor a crime. but a way of life. It's up on us how we handle others that are different than the majority.
Very well said. I would only suggest adding the following: Just as it is respectful for Jews that drive on Shabbat to park a block or two away from the synagogue, or not eat a ham sandwich in a kosher home or synagogue, homosexuals should not publicly flaunt their disrespect for God and glamorize their sexual behavior in public. Let that behavior take place in the privacy of their own home. I think that's a compromise to the other extreme of shaming them.
As a gay man (who is Jewish), entering into a marriage with a female is not a viable option. This is different from a heterosexual man who CHOOSES to marry a non-Jewish woman. That is, he made a choice; I didn't! The idea that I and my [Jewish] husband would need to join separately is (and pay what amounts to a “gay penalty”) quite offensive. We are planning to have children and wish to enroll them in an Orthodox Day School/Yeshiva. Even if my husband and I were willing to tolerate a “lesser” status, having this communicated to the children is not an option!
Shalom! I’m unsure y ur name is Angel. Angels/malachim a re a different order or beings. How can any Yehudi avoid violating the Torah’s non-optional mandated mo’ed/holy day, Rosh ha Shana yet violate the Torah’s non-optional mandate that’s against homosexuality & lesbianism? If u violate 1 part of the Torah, u violate ALL of it!
@@user-dd3gs2cv2w If it violates ha Torah & the Tanakh, we should refuse to accept what Rabbi Hillel & what anyone says regardless of how much wisdom they have provided to us in the past. The Tanakh trumps all of that. If you violate one mitzvoh of the Torah, you violate all of it. Shalom!
Rabbi, I agree with everything you've said EXCEPT for one thing : the use of the word _inclusivity_ . I must tell that I'm from France so our background is a bit different than the one in the US. This being said, I view this _inclusivity_ word as part of a cultist movement : the woke movement and I believe that we don't need to use their concepts to make our point, furthermore when those concepts are void ones. Thank you for your insights, valuable ones, but once again, please, get the _inclusivity_ out of this : it just pollutes rather than explains. And _Hazak oubaroukh_ for your work !
"individually have the same rights in synagoge service...." but if you see in the internet forums where people ask question, it is still the hardest things, if someone asks can a gay convert in orthodox synagoge? The common answer is gay should do it in any of either conservative, reform , or reconstructionist. So I come at the conclusion that, it is still hard for the conversion issues.
There has to be teshuvah before converting…. Just as it would be the same as an idolator to convert, he/she must first turn from the previous form of thinking/believing before converting. No one would expect a Rabbi to allow an idolator to convert without first denouncing that sin. There’s no difference.
the torah also says you can sell your daughter into slavery, it also has a whole section on how to deal with a woman who is suspected by her husband of adultery whose belly will blow up and she will die a horrible death, , it also says if a woman does not cry out during a rape, she can be killed by the court, it also says that if a a man rapes a woman he must marry her forever. sorry though i love parts of the torah parts of it are so utterly sexist and immoral that i cannot go to it as a moral authority. apparently it is worse to marry a non jew or marry someone of the same sex than it is to rape. yes, you have a kind way about you but the book you quote from is very far from moral. and we should be more concerned about stopping abuse and hate than who people love. i say marry who you like, and be good to them and don't hurt anyone. if you follow that you will be better off without all of these rules and sexism that destroy lives.
I love how I can always find commonsense when I turn to a Rabbi with a question, I am not religious, but I have a lot of respect for the Jewish religion.
Hi, I am sorry but to say that you welcome people as long as they hide it, would be like saying you can work for us if you are jewish as long as you hide the fact that you are Jewish. You can be a Jew as long as you dont tell anyone that you are Jewish.
That's true but unfortunately that I know of judaism is not about "converting" people... Unlike christianity for example.. It's more like here r the rules follow them...if not u do you
I understand your opinion but I respectfully disagree. I think you didn't quite get the message. It is not the intention of the Rabbi to force people to hide their sexuality. Instead it is about keeping your sexuality within the boundaries of your private life. Heterosexual people don't go around confessing they are straight so why should homosexual people tell everybody about their sexual orientation? The Torah is clear that homosexual marriages are not accepted and Judaism doesn't admit any changes to it. However it is to admire that the Rabbi has a more open- minded attitude and admits that science and mankind in general have advanced up to a level that allows us to understand that homosexuality is a condition rather than a choice or a disease, as the ancients thought. For me, the Rabbi's attitude and approach are wonderful. He gives gay people the chance to be a part of the community without messing with the Torah and its strictness. I know for some it may not appear to be fair but isn't it better than being outcasts or excommunicated? Greetings from Argentina! Have a good day.
@@manuelenrique9220 you're really going to base your faith and truth on "Science & advancement" then God? Wow that's crazy and sad. But well I guess your right, right?
@@anamarier4791 I believe in God and I know God wants us to be happy and he gave us the ability to make questions and discover the wonders of the world through science but it doesn't mean we have to let faith aside. You can be a man of faith and science at the same time. It is not sad at all. Au contraire, it's a wonderful thing and also one God's greatest gifts.
By and large, abortion is forbidden in Judaism, unless there is a threat to the mother's life, and in this case it's even condoned because the mother's life is more important. But even in other cases it's not black and white there are cases where rabbis authorize abortion, for instance if the baby has a very serious genetic condition, or if he might harm his mother's physical or mental health in the future. It also has to do with the stage of pregnancy. Either way it's a complicated issue. Some streams see the complicity but some streams are unfortunately too affected by the Christian approach to the issue (no abortion in any cost).
@@IlhamAzlanSyah I know this is too late. But to clarify a bit, our take is the same as jews', at least as explained by @Lizzie87 down there. I only know it's true until the first period of her explanation. I'm still not well informed regarding the cases with high possibility of serious genetic conditions and how the mother will be mentally affected, though
@@AddieP91 "Some streams blah blah blah" is 100% off point, because all that matters is the Torah and Jewish Law, which are both exclusively "Orthodox." Any other so-called "stream" is fake; they're actually anti-Torah and anti-Jewish Law. You're correct when you state that abortion is allowed and, in fact, could be required when doing so is to preserve the mother's life.
That’s your opinion U come from a mixed marriage background and proud of it Don’t even compare mixed marriage between a man and a woman to Gay marriage it’s not the same at all
The problem, is not one of heterosexual rights vs. homosexual rights. It is one of what the Torah says. As Rabbi Angel pointed out the Torah forbids certain types of heterosexual marriages just as it does with the activity of same sex relations and thus the two can be equated in that way. There is a particular part of the Talmud that deals with the issue of things that the Torah forbids but are a part of the nature of a person and how a Jew must deal with this struggle.
Further, the Rambam does NOT state that Halakha derived directly from the Torah can be changed. Only halakha that is the result of a Sanhedrin, which are ritualistic rulings can be changed if found to be incorrect.
The root of the Hebrew term used to refer to Jewish law, halacha , means “go” or “walk.” Halacha, then, is the “way” a Jew is directed to behave in every aspect of life, encompassing civil, criminal and religious law. The foundation of Judaism is the Torah (the first five books of the Hebrew Bible, sometimes referred to as “the Five Books of Moses”). “Torah ” means “instruction” or “teaching,” and like all teaching it requires interpretation and application. Jewish tradition teaches that Moses received the Torah from God at Mount Sinai. The Torah is replete with instructions, directives, statutes, laws, and rules. Most are directed to the Israelites, some to all humanity.
It's difficult to say things in this ways. I really liked your explanation. Respect of both sides. I agree, the Torah never change. But Hashem told about all subjects about not keeping His commandments. Thanks for your words it was clear for Us
In old times,It was important that of the command to be fruitful and multiply. That was a huge thing about marriage. Thankfully marriage is not all about that and not all can multiply naturally.
It surley is not the torah way to be home sexuals but because of the very bad influencial tomah impure air around us today it effects some people with these type of not the normal feelings we have to be compassionate to these people and feel for them but cannot in any way say its ok to be h.s
I am sorry but just because you do not recognize the marriage of a Jew and a non-Jew, does not mean that it is not a marriage. you can say that it is not ok, but to say it is not a marriage is like saying that a rock is not a rock because i say so. a rock is a rock whether i approve of the rock or not. it is still a rock.
Sorry to break it to you, hun, but Orthodoxy is a movement in which they see ALL of Torah and Halacha as binding, not optional. So if there's something you don't like about what they're teaching, then just know, they don't require you to convert, they're not forcing their way of thinking on you. If you don't like it, you don't have to listen to it.
@shifra freewoman Good point. This is where we move on to definitions and differences. i think the definition of marriage in the rabbi's view is something along the lines "A written contract between a man and a woman, tying them to certain obligations towards eachother as written in the contract (ketubah, in case of jewish marriage)". Whereas a Marriage in my (and maybe your) definition is similar but switch out "man and woman" with "two people". I agree with you that it is incredibly foolish to not consider a gay marriage a marriage because of the outcome. This policy would only send loving, great people away from the community to other more accepting communities.
Leviticus is also against trimming beard, eating shellfish and wearing clothes of different fabrics. It supports slavery and killing children for cursing. Don't tell me that old testament slavery is different than transatlantic slavery. Leviticus says that you can buy foreign children even those born in your land.
So very true they pick and choose. Judaism says it is not a Rabbi who can judge me but Hashem. Funny how these Rabbi's always forget that. Go read the Torah again, before pretending your somehow in a position to take that of Hashem.
@@marchess7420 These people don't know anything about Torah, they are just offended that someone somewhere isn't all for them. Why do they feel like they need EVERYONE to like them and accept them? It's a fact of life that not everyone will like you or accept you. As a person seeking conversion, I've come to this realization. I sought approval of everyone, I sought a perfect way to convert so I could be accepted as a true Jew. In the end, what I've realized is there will be people who won't see me as a Jew, now or ever, there will be people and whole movements who will never be satisfied with how I keep Torah and Halacha. It's reality. Am I upset? No.
@@ntmn8444 If you undergo a fake conversion (Reform, Conservative. "Open Orthodox" or any other fake "stream" of Judaism) then no, you won't be a Jew. If you don't want to accept the entire Torah and Jewish Law and what they entail, then become a Noahide, and live happily ever after. The Jewish people are stuck with enough born Jews who don't keep Torah/Halacha/Jewish Law... the last thing we need is more insincere converts who aren't halachically Jewish.
Hey, NativeWolf777. Humans aren’t perfect especially those in positions of influence. Their beliefs do not necessarily reflect the truth or that of the majority. I strayed away from Catholicism for a similar reason and started my spiritual journey independently. I encourage you to not focus on a specific sanction of religion but to pray and build a relationship with God on a personal level, and ask him to guide you to a church that is home. Jesus revealed to me that he is a living God and now I am a practicing Christian. Build a relationship with God and you'll be able to discern who and what is truly existing in God’s will. Others' opinions won't be able to deter you since all that matters is God’s will and word. I pray God blesses you with an increase in discernment and that you may encounter his holy incense. Sending you a ton of love! 💛☄️
OH RABBI! Did you say gays are created?? God forbid! God can never create man to have affairs with the same kind. Born in sin and shape in iniquity is not the same as created. Sin has change a lot of things for humanity.
@@fenfalinn1152 No, you weren't. You decided that path at a younger age through influences from your surrounding community. However, you can escape those influences through chastity.
@@skimaned4291 I know you. You’re that same reform (deformed) Jew that said that observant jews can be gay and misinterpreted the Torah. You can’t. The lgbt is prohibited in Judaism, Islam, and Christianity.
@@cxarhomell5867 I thought this debate only existed in Christianity. Jewish people are going through this too. I think agree to disagree is the best. We may have different views on sexuality than the lgbtq+ but we refuse to dehumanize them.
@@Topg1 Not only in Christianity, but even in Judaism and Islam. Judaism is going through its most traditional stage currently, and the Jewish people will become more and more Orthodox and Observant.
Human hubris of picking and choosing which commandments they agree and disagree with, like a cafeteria meal, is the reason society has slippery sloped it's way downward.
That is the specialty of most Christian people I've come across
Agree!
no the reason society has “slippery sloped” downwards is because of ignorant and bigoted religious people who hate anyone who is different from them
You fool 🎉🎉🎉
Nobody CHOOSES to be gay!
Thank you for this wonderful explanation. ❤
your membership is walking in two separate directions. “how can two walk together lest they be agreed”?
I want to follow the Torah but I've always had problems calling gay people sinners. I am all for loving relationships. Hashem will judge us all and none of us is without sin.
Well it is a sin what is your problem or what do no not understand?
@@lindamorgan2678 Being gay is not the sin, it’s the act.
@@markriver1221 The question might be why were gays created that way
@@stewartberger7734 good question and it’s a question I also wonder about
@@markriver1221 That question has haunted for for my entire life
True, but now the question is how to respect people equally. I believe it is also the essence of the Torah. Being gay is one thing, but respecting the others is also another thing.
But isn't the greatest "rule" of all Love your God first, above all? With all your heart, mind, and strength? Abcd if that's the case Loving God trump's everything else, including, family, friends, being gay etc...
@@anamarier4791 We share that same belief in Christianity
@NXTST Gay is OK! Gay marriage is OK!
in Christianity, the orthodox church will ask the questions to be sure that the potential member is in alignment with the biblical values and teachings of the church so that every member is likeminded and working toward a common goal, the glory of God. sad that orthodox Jews do not practice the same.
It’s not complicated. God is not the author of confusion. Humans make it complicated, because they don’t want to trust God.
Thank You! I am currently researching judaic veiws on gay marriage.
Let us know what you find.
@@stephensmith2937It’s been 11 years lmao 😭
@@El-A1She died, RIP.
In my personal oppinion the Jewis religion is the most openminded one, among the conservative ways of thinking.
I always favored the Jewish religion over Christianity and Muslim :) thank you for this explanation!
I practice Hinduism, here the core teaching point of view is that being gay is part of the creation, it's not a sin nor a crime. but a way of life.
It's up on us how we handle others that are different than the majority.
There is a good article by Rabbi Dr. Nachum Amsel called HOMOSEXUALITY IN ORTHODOX JUDAISM which spells it out perfectly.
You explained this so well and respectfully
Well said. Thanks
Very well said. I would only suggest adding the following: Just as it is respectful for Jews that drive on Shabbat to park a block or two away from the synagogue, or not eat a ham sandwich in a kosher home or synagogue, homosexuals should not publicly flaunt their disrespect for God and glamorize their sexual behavior in public. Let that behavior take place in the privacy of their own home. I think that's a compromise to the other extreme of shaming them.
I totally agree
As a gay man (who is Jewish), entering into a marriage with a female is not a viable option. This is different from a heterosexual man who CHOOSES to marry a non-Jewish woman. That is, he made a choice; I didn't!
The idea that I and my [Jewish] husband would need to join separately is (and pay what amounts to a “gay penalty”) quite offensive.
We are planning to have children and wish to enroll them in an Orthodox Day School/Yeshiva. Even if my husband and I were willing to tolerate a “lesser” status, having this communicated to the children is not an option!
Shalom! I’m unsure y ur name is Angel. Angels/malachim a re a different order or beings. How can any Yehudi avoid violating the Torah’s non-optional mandated mo’ed/holy day, Rosh ha Shana yet violate the Torah’s non-optional mandate that’s against homosexuality & lesbianism? If u violate 1 part of the Torah, u violate ALL of it!
@@user-dd3gs2cv2w If it violates ha Torah & the Tanakh, we should refuse to accept what Rabbi Hillel & what anyone says regardless of how much wisdom they have provided to us in the past. The Tanakh trumps all of that. If you violate one mitzvoh of the Torah, you violate all of it. Shalom!
@@georgeramos3437 True.
A very delicate issue sensitively treated! Thank you!
Thank you
Rabbi, I agree with everything you've said EXCEPT for one thing : the use of the word _inclusivity_ . I must tell that I'm from France so our background is a bit different than the one in the US. This being said, I view this _inclusivity_ word as part of a cultist movement : the woke movement and I believe that we don't need to use their concepts to make our point, furthermore when those concepts are void ones.
Thank you for your insights, valuable ones, but once again, please, get the _inclusivity_ out of this : it just pollutes rather than explains. And _Hazak oubaroukh_ for your work !
Calling gay marriage a phenomenon certainly telegraphed the answer.
@srbhr yes it has.... wtf XD its been noted as far back as 2494-2345 BC
"individually have the same rights in synagoge service...." but if you see in the internet forums where people ask question, it is still the hardest things, if someone asks can a gay convert in orthodox synagoge? The common answer is gay should do it in any of either conservative, reform , or reconstructionist. So I come at the conclusion that, it is still hard for the conversion issues.
There has to be teshuvah before converting…. Just as it would be the same as an idolator to convert, he/she must first turn from the previous form of thinking/believing before converting. No one would expect a Rabbi to allow an idolator to convert without first denouncing that sin. There’s no difference.
the torah also says you can sell your daughter into slavery, it also has a whole section on how to deal with a woman who is suspected by her husband of adultery whose belly will blow up and she will die a horrible death, , it also says if a woman does not cry out during a rape, she can be killed by the court, it also says that if a a man rapes a woman he must marry her forever. sorry though i love parts of the torah parts of it are so utterly sexist and immoral that i cannot go to it as a moral authority.
apparently it is worse to marry a non jew or marry someone of the same sex than it is to rape.
yes, you have a kind way about you but the book you quote from is very far from moral. and we should be more concerned about stopping abuse and hate than who people love.
i say marry who you like, and be good to them and don't hurt anyone. if you follow that you will be better off without all of these rules and sexism that destroy lives.
based
You are great at throwing out parts of Torah without any context to satisfy your own ideology.
@@amjz77true
I love how I can always find commonsense when I turn to a Rabbi with a question, I am not religious, but I have a lot of respect for the Jewish religion.
Hi,
I am sorry but to say that you welcome people as long as they hide it, would be like saying you can work for us if you are jewish as long as you hide the fact that you are Jewish. You can be a Jew as long as you dont tell anyone that you are Jewish.
That's true but unfortunately that I know of judaism is not about "converting" people... Unlike christianity for example.. It's more like here r the rules follow them...if not u do you
I understand your opinion but I respectfully disagree. I think you didn't quite get the message. It is not the intention of the Rabbi to force people to hide their sexuality. Instead it is about keeping your sexuality within the boundaries of your private life. Heterosexual people don't go around confessing they are straight so why should homosexual people tell everybody about their sexual orientation? The Torah is clear that homosexual marriages are not accepted and Judaism doesn't admit any changes to it. However it is to admire that the Rabbi has a more open- minded attitude and admits that science and mankind in general have advanced up to a level that allows us to understand that homosexuality is a condition rather than a choice or a disease, as the ancients thought. For me, the Rabbi's attitude and approach are wonderful. He gives gay people the chance to be a part of the community without messing with the Torah and its strictness. I know for some it may not appear to be fair but isn't it better than being outcasts or excommunicated? Greetings from Argentina! Have a good day.
@@manuelenrique9220 you're really going to base your faith and truth on "Science & advancement" then God? Wow that's crazy and sad. But well I guess your right, right?
@@anamarier4791 I believe in God and I know God wants us to be happy and he gave us the ability to make questions and discover the wonders of the world through science but it doesn't mean we have to let faith aside. You can be a man of faith and science at the same time. It is not sad at all. Au contraire, it's a wonderful thing and also one God's greatest gifts.
@@manuelenrique9220 that's not what I meant and you know it. But if you're going to pretend what I'm talking about so be it. God bless you
Thank You for speaking the truth.
A Jew and a Muslim please answer , from each faith's perspective. What's your view on abortion?
According to muslim's faith, abortion is 100% forbidden which is sin.
By and large, abortion is forbidden in Judaism, unless there is a threat to the mother's life, and in this case it's even condoned because the mother's life is more important. But even in other cases it's not black and white there are cases where rabbis authorize abortion, for instance if the baby has a very serious genetic condition, or if he might harm his mother's physical or mental health in the future. It also has to do with the stage of pregnancy.
Either way it's a complicated issue. Some streams see the complicity but some streams are unfortunately too affected by the Christian approach to the issue (no abortion in any cost).
@@IlhamAzlanSyah I know this is too late. But to clarify a bit, our take is the same as jews', at least as explained by @Lizzie87 down there. I only know it's true until the first period of her explanation. I'm still not well informed regarding the cases with high possibility of serious genetic conditions and how the mother will be mentally affected, though
Both forbid abortion and view it as a grave action.
@@AddieP91 "Some streams blah blah blah" is 100% off point, because all that matters is the Torah and Jewish Law, which are both exclusively "Orthodox." Any other so-called "stream" is fake; they're actually anti-Torah and anti-Jewish Law. You're correct when you state that abortion is allowed and, in fact, could be required when doing so is to preserve the mother's life.
Is there some clue same-sex attraction with no action?
If you don't treat others equally how the heck are you supposed to be treated equally by others?
ask antifa and blm.
Even though?
That’s your opinion U come from a mixed marriage background and proud of it Don’t even compare mixed marriage between a man and a woman to Gay marriage it’s not the same at all
The problem, is not one of heterosexual rights vs. homosexual rights. It is one of what the Torah says. As Rabbi Angel pointed out the Torah forbids certain types of heterosexual marriages just as it does with the activity of same sex relations and thus the two can be equated in that way. There is a particular part of the Talmud that deals with the issue of things that the Torah forbids but are a part of the nature of a person and how a Jew must deal with this struggle.
Exactly.
your response is a cop out.
Further, the Rambam does NOT state that Halakha derived directly from the Torah can be changed. Only halakha that is the result of a Sanhedrin, which are ritualistic rulings can be changed if found to be incorrect.
Irrelevant. The Bambam is not HaShem “
What is halaqa
The root of the Hebrew term used to refer to Jewish law, halacha , means “go” or “walk.” Halacha, then, is the “way” a Jew is directed to behave in every aspect of life, encompassing civil, criminal and religious law.
The foundation of Judaism is the Torah (the first five books of the Hebrew Bible, sometimes referred to as “the Five Books of Moses”). “Torah ” means “instruction” or “teaching,” and like all teaching it requires interpretation and application. Jewish tradition teaches that Moses received the Torah from God at Mount Sinai. The Torah is replete with instructions, directives, statutes, laws, and rules. Most are directed to the Israelites, some to all humanity.
If you are the light for the world let Judaism follow Torah and forbid what is forbidden . You set precedence.
❤️❤️
Rabbi read you scrolls! What did God say?
It's difficult to say things in this ways. I really liked your explanation. Respect of both sides. I agree, the Torah never change. But Hashem told about all subjects about not keeping His commandments. Thanks for your words it was clear for Us
In old times,It was important that of the command to be fruitful and multiply. That was a huge thing about marriage. Thankfully marriage is not all about that and not all can multiply naturally.
It surley is not the torah way to be home sexuals but because of the very bad influencial tomah impure air around us today it effects some people with these type of not the normal feelings we have to be compassionate to these people and feel for them but cannot in any way say its ok to be h.s
Orthodox religions rule! Regardless whether they are Jewish or Christian etc,,,They have the best moral/ ethical laws regarding marriage etc,,!!!
islam too actualy
be the change you wanna see in the world with four wifes? Hell no
@@user-ho9ui6wc2d that's islam polygamy is common there
Phenomenon... Wow... What an attitude. Total ignorance of Tikkun Olam and other key principles.
I'm a Homosexual but I myself reject homosexual marriage. I only want HaShem Abba Adonai in my heart!🕯️🙌🇮🇱💙🙏🕯️
Amein.
Typical Abrahamic morality
I am sorry but just because you do not recognize the marriage of a Jew and a non-Jew, does not mean that it is not a marriage. you can say that it is not ok, but to say it is not a marriage is like saying that a rock is not a rock because i say so. a rock is a rock whether i approve of the rock or not. it is still a rock.
Unless it's a fish and you call it a rock
Sorry to break it to you, hun, but Orthodoxy is a movement in which they see ALL of Torah and Halacha as binding, not optional. So if there's something you don't like about what they're teaching, then just know, they don't require you to convert, they're not forcing their way of thinking on you. If you don't like it, you don't have to listen to it.
@@ntmn8444 True.
But marriage is not a rock
@shifra freewoman Good point. This is where we move on to definitions and differences. i think the definition of marriage in the rabbi's view is something along the lines "A written contract between a man and a woman, tying them to certain obligations towards eachother as written in the contract (ketubah, in case of jewish marriage)". Whereas a Marriage in my (and maybe your) definition is similar but switch out "man and woman" with "two people". I agree with you that it is incredibly foolish to not consider a gay marriage a marriage because of the outcome. This policy would only send loving, great people away from the community to other more accepting communities.
Leviticus is also against trimming beard, eating shellfish and wearing clothes of different fabrics. It supports slavery and killing children for cursing. Don't tell me that old testament slavery is different than transatlantic slavery. Leviticus says that you can buy foreign children even those born in your land.
So very true they pick and choose. Judaism says it is not a Rabbi who can judge me but Hashem. Funny how these Rabbi's always forget that. Go read the Torah again, before pretending your somehow in a position to take that of Hashem.
No ... its different. You need to study the Torah more! 🙂
Gosh, you are either an ignoramus or a bigot, or both, with respect to Judaism .
@@marchess7420 These people don't know anything about Torah, they are just offended that someone somewhere isn't all for them. Why do they feel like they need EVERYONE to like them and accept them? It's a fact of life that not everyone will like you or accept you. As a person seeking conversion, I've come to this realization. I sought approval of everyone, I sought a perfect way to convert so I could be accepted as a true Jew. In the end, what I've realized is there will be people who won't see me as a Jew, now or ever, there will be people and whole movements who will never be satisfied with how I keep Torah and Halacha. It's reality. Am I upset? No.
@@ntmn8444 If you undergo a fake conversion (Reform, Conservative. "Open Orthodox" or any other fake "stream" of Judaism) then no, you won't be a Jew. If you don't want to accept the entire Torah and Jewish Law and what they entail, then become a Noahide, and live happily ever after. The Jewish people are stuck with enough born Jews who don't keep Torah/Halacha/Jewish Law... the last thing we need is more insincere converts who aren't halachically Jewish.
I am catholic, I am planning on converting to judaism after a priest told me their true beliefs on G*D.
Hey, NativeWolf777. Humans aren’t perfect especially those in positions of influence. Their beliefs do not necessarily reflect the truth or that of the majority. I strayed away from Catholicism for a similar reason and started my spiritual journey independently. I encourage you to not focus on a specific sanction of religion but to pray and build a relationship with God on a personal level, and ask him to guide you to a church that is home. Jesus revealed to me that he is a living God and now I am a practicing Christian. Build a relationship with God and you'll be able to discern who and what is truly existing in God’s will. Others' opinions won't be able to deter you since all that matters is God’s will and word. I pray God blesses you with an increase in discernment and that you may encounter his holy incense. Sending you a ton of love! 💛☄️
You're going backwards, find a holy priest. You met up with a dud.
Schmekle in the tuchkus oh vey
When did god refuse love in general
This is a common question within this argument. However, it presupposes a particular definition of “love”.
OH RABBI! Did you say gays are created?? God forbid! God can never create man to have affairs with the same kind. Born in sin and shape in iniquity is not the same as created. Sin has change a lot of things for humanity.
Would you not think God could be sending us a solution to over population?
I was born lesbian, I didn’t wake up one day and think, ‘I’m going to be gay today’.
@@fenfalinn1152 We feel sorry for you and the struggles you must be going through.
@@fenfalinn1152 No, you weren't. You decided that path at a younger age through influences from your surrounding community.
However, you can escape those influences through chastity.
@@cxarhomell5867 Basically all my friends at that age had straight parents. I didn’t know that being LGBT existed
G-d did not write the Bible but men did.
tf?
God created the Torah.
@@skimaned4291 I know you. You’re that same reform (deformed) Jew that said that observant jews can be gay and misinterpreted the Torah.
You can’t. The lgbt is prohibited in Judaism, Islam, and Christianity.
@@cxarhomell5867 I thought this debate only existed in Christianity. Jewish people are going through this too. I think agree to disagree is the best. We may have different views on sexuality than the lgbtq+ but we refuse to dehumanize them.
@@Topg1 Not only in Christianity, but even in Judaism and Islam.
Judaism is going through its most traditional stage currently, and the Jewish people will become more and more Orthodox and Observant.
short answer: most religiously destructive event of the last 2000 years.
Fortunately, not many people care what the Orthodox Jewish view is on gay marriage, or anything else for that matter.