What do Christians have against homosexuality? | Tim Keller at Columbia University
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The best way to love your neighbor is to tell them the truth.
Your religion =\= truth.
Your belief is just that. A belief. Tell me why I should believe in your religion? Now, I'm no athiest; I have a religion. It isn't Christianity.
Moonchild17 that’s not relevant to this conversation. This is a religious conversation, you imbecile. The Bible says, straight out, that being gay is a pretty bad sin. Coming into a religious conversation and making an atheist argument is umm...special.
Amen
The truth is easily found, doesn’t take a doctorate to find the truth.
AnotherScaldingHot ButtloadOfLiquidFeces Only fools argue with fools, those who are serious about finding and knowing the truth find it, those who don’t, don’t. Calvinism is blatant ignorance of the gospel.
True Christians do love, we just won't compromise God's word.
Tony Bridley the ones who compromise God's word more are the ones who hear it more.
Tony Bridley,yet these same people work on the Sabbath and have remarried,all sinful but seems to be forgotten as it was affecting their lifestyle
The entire account is one nonsensical compromise after another... Do not murder.... Except them, and them, and them, and them...….
@@andrewfrank7222 even though mankind fails to represent God correctly; doesnt mean God doesn't exist.
@@theresnohell3144 Why believe that he spoke only to the Middle Easterners 3000 years ago then?? In such obscure and nonsensical terms... The story as portrayed in the Bible is bull shit. A con.
A church i used to attend excommunicated a man for committing adultery. And it wasn't just because he committed the sin, it was because he refused to stop committing it. Jesus said, "Go and sin no more." While this is a tall order for us pathetic humans mired in sin, nonetheless, you have to come to terms with the fact that you have to admit that what you are doing is wrong, repent and try and sin no more.
A lot of folks are skipping over the "sin no more," part and just staying comfortable in their sin. No. Since we are all drowning and die in our sin, and Jesus is the only one who can pull us out of the water, we can't just sit back in the water and refuse His hand.
I like what you say about TRY AND SIN NO MORE and yes, we all are drowning in our sins but we do have to try.
What should we do with all those people who are Divorced and married someone else? Our Lord addressed this directly and said that they are committing the sin of adultery. How do we address this Sin problem that is so prevalent in our society?
@@warrenpaine However if the preachers do it. It is to be overlooked. As he will repent until the next man or women comes along.
@@warrenpaine Now if one were to read the Bible It will point to Jesus as the God in the Old Testament. So He either change his mind or Moses was a down right liar. When the Jews tried following that law
Jesus steeped in and said! 7So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
Myself I really don't know as I was not there so you will have to give some money to the preacher to find that one out.
@@warrenpaine Myself I think Moses was a big liar, because the Bible does say! #3 Romans 3:
4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
So maybe old Moses will overcome like the rest of us. WHEN WILL THAT BE? It says when we are judged. That is all but the so called christians who thank they have already overcome their sins.
Love is not being lenient, Love them by telling the biblical truth and lead them to Christ.
Leniency in this context would be what
That's exactly what it's all about for the Words of God in the Bible will definitely be completed, He doesn't want any to fail but He hates all unrepentant sin and those of us who refuse to do the right thing will be terminated in a Lake if Fire period!
@@virgosrus5733 By not telling people they are good & faithful who continue in unrepentant sin
Jesus’ message has always been “go and sin no more.” This message has been given to repentant sinners. He has never legitimized any sin.
Jesus hoo?
How do ya ken wut that alleged character spoke?
It certainly wasnt "English". If it was, how do ya not ken that it wasn't "go and sin, know mor"?!
Besides..
How duhs 1 define "sin", wen nothing we say or write means what we may think?!
It iz aftr alla kōd abart nada mor than
u n i n us n we am u sn u ! u n
@@global.explorer 1John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous."
So you see, the Lord Jesus Christ knows we will sin in word, thought or action even after we get saved, but confess that sin to the Lord, he will forgive us!
March Forth True, because sin is sin. However, we are saved by faith alone in Jesus.
Sin and abomination are not the same..he did not say go and abominate no more 😂
give all your money away then mate! your greedy will send you to hell! ya loser!
The thing that Christians have against homosexuality is the Word of God. God is the first and last Authority on the matter.
Bullshit
Wayne Brown but that is not the point. God speaks about many sins. But nobody addresses the ones that almost EVERYONE is guilty of. That’s the problem.
@Sterling Crowne This gay people does NOT want that! I believe in freedom. Again listen, we are not robots; we all do NOT think in the same bloody way!
Some of us are even Conservatives and Ultra Right. The bloody Liberals and Commies have the biggest mouths and the most attention. THEY DONT SPEAK FOR ALL OF US!
@Sterling Crowne Not this gay person. I dont want to change your religion. I support freedom.
Quit generalising and realise all gay people do NOT think in the same way. We are individuals!
@Sterling Crowne They have Sterling.
I was atheist and am now an Orthodox Christian and I tell those of my friends who are atheist that being a christian is not about stop sinning, but it's rather "keep going to Church and receive God ragerdless of the sins you commit and gradually God transforms you and the result is less sin", it's as simple as that.
Correct, Timmy is skipping over the whole growth part that eventually stamps out homosexuality as a habit if you follow Christ. Probably because that concepts offends a lot of normie retards and would be hard to get them into his church.
Go and sin no more
@@muchosgracias3764 not as easy as it sounds
@@Mothobius not easy but thanks for grace to keep trying
I think you need to ask god for help to sin as little as possible. Mostly because we arnt suppost to sin and sins keep us away from god but returning to god is the always the right thing to do
This is the postmodern view... Loving your neighbour does not mean accespt their sin.
He did not address whether we accept sinful behavior as Christians, nor was that asked in the question. The question was whether or not homosexuality is a sin, and whether that sends a person to hell. I think the questions were well-answered.
@@daregularperson Yeah, his focus in this tiny clip is the gospel, not getting people to show evidence of salvation (sanctification) before being saved.
You can always condemn the sin and still love the person, just as Jesus did
Exactly
@@daregularperson the answer to that question is yes! Bible is clear. These are watered-down hell sent preachers who are afraid yo condemn sin. Simple
Believing in Christ is not a license to sin.
@EL GRINGO LOCO ! Perhaps you misunderstand the word "license" ?
@EL GRINGO LOCO ! Correct. The fact that God is willing to forgive sins, any sin even, does not mean that sin isn't a huge deal. The fact that sin is a huge deal just makes it the more amazing that God is willing to forgive.
Scripture clearly says that even the demons in hell believe in Christ and they shudder.
It's not a license to sin but it is a cover-all for sin so even when we do sin, which we should aim not to do, we are continuously forgiven and given grace through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ
This is true. Where sin abounds, grace abounds more. Do we continue in sin? God forbid.
I'm saying this in a paraphrase but this is the teaching in God's word.
Tim Keller is right when he says he's talking about HIS own church, a church of man; Tim is NOT talking about the church of God!
EXACTLY and when you know the Word of God and have a relationship with Him, you will NOT BE FOOLED.
Amen
Yes amen to that.
@Fred Said HAHA...it's Tim's Frad...
He's protecting his pay check, he tells the truth and he has to find another church.
It's not about how you feel you were born. Its about being born again 💯
you are correct, the flesh says i was born this way, but the Spirit say you must be born again.
@@JaqquieS Being born again is what happens when someone becomes a Christian. The two are biblically inseparable. Now, someone can tell you that they’re a Christian. That doesn’t mean that they are. For example, he mentioned Catholics. Catholics are not Christian because they have historically rejected the Bible’s way of being saved since the council of Trent. However, a Catholic, a Hindu, a Jew, a Muslim, an lgbtq affirming professed Christ-follower, and even a “carnal Christian” can be born again and become a true Christian. The point is, you must be born again to enter heaven. There’s one way to be saved, and that’s through Jesus.
@@JaqquieS If you are not born again, then you are not a Christian period. Regardless of what you call yourself or which church you ascribe to.
@@JaqquieS That is the only kind of genuine Christian. Anything else is only superficial, a name that is not reality.
Question How can you be born again with a body that will rot and decay?
PLEASE TELL ME HOW YOU CAN BE BORN AGAIN LIVING IN A CORRUPTIBLE BODY THAT WILL ROT AND DECAY, WHEN THE RESURRECTION SAYS YOU WILL DIE WITH A CORRUPTION BODY? The way the bible reads we will be born again after we die NOT BEFORE
BELOW PETER TELLS YOU WHAT BORN AGAIN MEANS.
1 Peter Chap 1/23) Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Corruptible Means) The act of corrupting or making putrid, or state of being corrupt or putrid; decomposition or disorganization, Tending to decomposition or (DECAY;)
Incorruptible Means) Not corruptible; incapable of corruption, decay, or dissolution;
HOW CAN YOU BE BORN AGAIN HERE ON THIS EARTH IF YOU DIE IN CORRUPTION AND YOUR BODY WILL (DECAY) ?
#3
YOU ARE BORN AGAIN when you are raised Incorruptible AND ALL Will be giving a spiritual body, and your body WILL NOT DECAY.
The Resurrection Body 1st Corinthians 15
42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
He would have to answer this for me so I could understand. Is it loving to tell a sinner that their sin, if they don't repent will send them to hell. Or. Is it loving to say its ok to continue the sin. Remember folks Jesus, the apostles and prophets all died horrible deaths telling the TRUTH. Truth is never easy to hear, but we must learn it for ourselves.
Guess we have to take it back a step, and ask, is it loving for God to send ANYONE on Earth EVER born to hell? Because I'd say, F*** NO.
@@katamas832 That's fare. I can understand why you say that. I have a question I'd like to ask you. Why was it wrong what the nazi's did to the Jews? They were simply following orders.
@@steeltown825 Because they have caused immeasurable amount of pain and harm to a large group of people out of nothing but prejudice.
@@katamas832 Where do you get your standard that that was wrong? If it is absolutely wrong to kill jews or even rape babies, and by doing these horrible acts we want justice for the wrong doers. (because that is the right thing to do) Also, maybe not to this extreme, but we all have broken God's law. He is the ultimate giver of justice, and we all deserve hell. He gave us a way out of that hell. His perfect son Jesus, if you believe in him you will be saved from hell. The greatest gift God gave you and me is the choice to choose Him or not. I choose Him, you do not. When we both die we will go to different places. I hope you change your mind.
@@steeltown825 I have a standard I developed myself, the well being of everyone involved. I don't think anyone should do anything absolutely.
How do we deserve hell for finite crimes? That's like me breaking every single bone in your body because you breathed in my way. That's actually infinitely more merciful than eternal punishment, which is by definition the worst possible punishment in existance. That's not justice, that's the epitome of injustice, giving someone an infinitely larger punishment than the crime they did.
That's not a gift, it's the greatest curse in Christianity.
“A Christian is supposed to say: I serve Christ alone”
Carlos Rodriguez totally agree!
And Christ said nothing about homosexuality......
Jon KnowsNothing Sure he did. He said know ye not that in the beginning he made them both male and female and for this purpose shall a man leave his father and mother and be joined unto his wife and they shall be called one flesh. What God has put together let no man put asunder.
Jesus condemned ANY relationship outside of a married male and female.
@@robccoy124 I cant find a single theologian that interprets that as a condemnation of homosexuality.
@@daniellongston3104 Forget the so called theologians and use your God given mind.
In this scripture Jesus tells us what relationship is acceptable in God's eyes. Any other kind of relationship outside of marriage between a man and a woman is not. Therefore, in promoting marriage he dismissed homosexuality, adultery and any other type of relationship outside of marriage as viable.
This guy kept skirting the question. His main point about making Christ Lord of your life was correct...so he had some truth in there. But what he didn't say is sin is sin. And we are all guilty of sin. The only way to heaven is thru Jesus....that part he got right. And when I was gay and God changed my life the people in church were loving and accepting without saying my sin was not sin. I thank God for all the love I received thru Christians.
+Charles Eldredge Wow, I would love to hear your testimony. Have you ever written about it? It would be great if you could share that with us!
+ReaganRocks
I have only written to a couple elected officials when things really started to heat up pushing the lgbtqi agenda in last couple years and sharing bits here and there in comments section on CZcams and fb. I'm always glad to share my experience.
Charles Eldredge It would be great if you wrote it down in a blog and let the world read it.
+ReaganRocks
thanks for the suggestion and encouragement. and you're right ...I probably should do that. I guess I haven't because I know once I get started it's going to be quite a long process. there's so much to it... early life experiences, complexities of the human mind, how I came to Christ, etc. Some interesting things I've come to know ....there are a variety of reasons people end up on the homosexual path. In my own experience my mother was extremely dominant and aggressive and my father was laid back and uninvolved. Not to say they were bad parents...it's just who they were. in my early to mid teens I had attractions to men and I didn't have a strong Christian upbringing (my mother used to drag us kids to church sporadically and on major holidays and she taught us to to believe in God and to be good...but nothing really beyond that). So I didn't realize the attractions were not unusual, and I didn't have any healthy ways to express/satisfy those feelings. also, in the seventies the media was already telling us homosexuality is perfectly normal... 10% of the population and blah blah blah. So I went with those base feelings. so that's a bit about my story...others come to that path in totally different ways. And when it comes to lesbians...it's quite true that, generally, they do seem to hate men....something about the men in their lives. But again it is all very complex and there are different stories for everyone.
+Charles Eldredge "when I was gay"...so, are you saying that you are no longer gay? You no longer feel attraction to members of the same sex? I hope you don't mind what sounds like an impertinent question, but this is an important point because it addresses the notion of Free Will.
I always think when people ask these questions: there is an answer that the atheist expects the believer to say, which is also what the christian will mostly likely say. In the gospels, it was the same way. The pharisee's tried to trap Jesus countless times with questions like these. Jesus always had an answer that no one could have imagined. I admire Keller because he strives for this, understanding the answer is so much deeper than what we see at the surface of religion and politics.
The problem tim is not Jesus christ
Jesus was a mythical character invented long after his claimed life.
The interviewer should have asked Keller “Is there any need for the greedy to turn from their sin?” After Keller answers in the affirmative, follow up with “Is that also true for practicing homosexuality?”
Always excuses.
Exactly - The story of the rich young ruler - Jesus told him how to repent of his greed. - so how does that repentance apply to a gay Christian?
@@timh8324 Because just as the rich man had to give up his riches and let God in and transform him so the gay person has to give up their gayness and let God in and transform that person.
@@sandypuentes866 Nope, gay people do not need transformation
@@sandypuentes866 And we HATE giving up our pet sins and offenses! Sad, but oh so true!
You can’t change Gods word, no matter how hard you try..
You need to put “in my opinion” at the end cus then it would be a rational fact
@@alyfferalves593 its not only his opinions, but what the Bible says
So you support slavery then?
Keller stated that the New Testament speaks against homosexuality. David, the murderer and the man after God's own heart asked, "Lord, examine me."
Keller stated that the New Testament clearly speaks against homosexuality.
Scripture plainly states that it is an abomination in the eyes of God. End of case.
Scripture forbids it totally
*+ Bill A.* Not end of case - before applying that logic to real people, you have to verify that the scripture is the real will of a real god.
Shame scripture didn't say keeping slaves and beating children was wrong.
@@demiligne3456
YOU do that by FAITH and the HOLY spirit that indwells true believers, you sound like a Unbeliever because you question truth.(YOU ARE A natural MAN(UNREGENERATE), AND ARE NOT CAPABLE OF COMPREHENDING THE word OF God.
Scripture also says that it is OK to own people as slaves and that you can beat them. It also claims Jesus killed babies.
edit typo: onw = own
You can love someone but not love their lifestyle.
"Heterosexuality does not get you into heaven." PREACH!!! I pray everyone under the sound of this message, no matter WHAT your sexual orientation is, understands and grasps how much God LOVES YOU. If he didn't, he never would have given His son to pay a debt we could not pay ourselves. Heaven is a free gift to any and all who will accept Christ's free gift. "Whosoever will, let him come." John 3:16.
So by your reasoning there are no homosexuals in heaven then.🤔
@@kooringagnd Correct, there are not.
God loves us so much that He does not want us living in sin, especially vile ones. Jesus calls us to repentance from sin, to be separate from those who persist in sinning. If you are missing this you are blind to the scriptures. Revelation 18:4 Come out of her my people...
@@kooringagnd There are repented people there, for example, people who were homosexual, repented, and gave their life to Jesus and turned to Him and not to homosexuality. Let just focus on what the Word says in Corinthians that there WERE ....i suggest you read for yourself.
@@MrAfebo1 amen, they were past tense, not no more. So is anyone that murdered, stole, fornicated…. They … WERE.
It states in the bible man shall not lay with man
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Elaine Mezick You’re right, it does, but it also lists the following as sins:
Anger
Hatred
Unforgiving heart
Breaking promises
Backbiting
Gossip
Slander
Gluttony
Pride
Laziness
Greed
Lying
Lust
Material possessions
Putting family, friends,etc before God
Idolatry
Drunkedness
Addiction
Bribery
Not giving to the poor
As well as many others. We are not saved by works. We are saved by faith. I’m not condoning sin, but the Bible does make it clear that we are saved by faith.
Yes I believe those in the list are prince of principality spirits of darkness that the demons work for. Since they have names. It says in Revelation that when the Lion of Judah was slain before the throne seven spirits made up Y'ESUA. So there are powerful Prince of Principality Spirits of Heaven that the angels work under as well
@@abashedsanctimony154 lmao you're so brainwashed
Yep, and it states that you shall not murder or lie? Since you have most certainly done the latter of these, are you ready for Hell?!!?
It is astonishing to me that in America, people are no longer familiar with the gospel. This speaks volumes about the watering down of churches.
It's because less than 50% are Christians anymore.
It's astonishing to me that in America there are still otherwise intelligent people that believe in ancient fairy tales about talking snakes, boats built by 600 year old man that can hold 20,000 animals and enough food for a year, virgin births, etc
Your right his teaching is not from the gospel
Its because homophobics do not know Gods word
@@adamjvalentine78 Tell us what you place YOUR faith in. Because the Bible is inspired and inerrant, I believe in God who is more than capable of suspending his own natural laws.
Some Christians think that just because something’s a sin and they see someone sinning, they can be rude and judge. The only person who has the right to judge us is our lord and savior, Jesus Christ. Love you all. God bless!
Is it wrong to judge others?
Hi, my name is John Wumsh It depends on how you do it. You shouldn’t be mean about it, but you should instead, encourage them to turn away from sin and to become better people in a lovely way.
@@himynameisjohnwumsh7631 Yes
@@carolburton4095 I often judge others. Am I wrong for doing that?
I love God’s word.I want God’s will done.❤️✝️❤️
A good example of the watered down church. As for the audience, it's not a laughing matter.
I tottally agree with you this is a serious matter that concerns there eternal soul...
Absolutely! Too much levity about eternal damnation!
perhaps self righteousness and pride are more problematic than humor.
I agree. Anytime a so called Christian starts to answer these questions by going into some long sermon and then after 3 mins of talking they finally give and answer......or when the person asking a question has to plainly ask it second time to get an answer........yea that's a watered down gospel preacher for ya.
And im not intending to judge this man Tim Keller.......but just answer the question the way Jesus himself answered the question. Sin is sin plain and simple........and it is against God bcuz he hates sin.......PERIOD. No matter what sin it is......he hates it.
You can still rebuke sin with Love
Yes but you dont excuse it
You can keep people out of hell loving then enough to tell them the truth!
The Lord Jesus did.
When I read and study the Bible with excellent teachers (mainly Calvary Chapel), I see that we are supposed to deny the flesh and try to follow well (with the help of Holy Spirit). Holy Spirit makes me notice or realize my pride or bitterness or bad attitude, my laziness and gluttony (whatever it is that needs to change). For instance, gossip is a form of murder, which I didn’t realize growing up as a “Christian” by tradition. I’m not supposed to just continue doing what I like to do (that is not how God wants me to be) but am supposed to ask God to keep convicting me and changing me to be more like Jesus. My son is about to live with his fiancé. This is wrong according to the Bible, and I pray that God’s will be done. I’ve discussed it and have asked my son to pray about it. Only God knows what He will and will not accept, and my concern is that I want to stay on the narrow road and I want to care about God’s laws. I do love gay people & because I love them, I would say that the Bible doesn’t condone acting out that lifestyle. If we didn’t love them, we wouldn’t care. Jesus said in Matthew 7:13 “Enter through the narrow gate.For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it”. I don’t mean any harm to gay people, but this is something serious for them to consider and take to The Lord in prayer. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 for everyone in this world, always!
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dang what’s going on bro? homosexuality is a abomination
Galatians 5,21.
Galatians 5,21
@@martinospitaletta8198 yes, and there are other scriptures showing it’s wrong as well. Love the sinner, hate the sin.
Loving your neighbors doesn't mean you have to accept their life choices.
And how exactly do you love without acceptance?
@@chrismacaluso781you just have to understand them
He tip-toes way too much and doesn't want to speak direct truth.
"Direct" Truth?
It's not tip-toeing, people take the bible out of context and that is why we are where we are today. He is trying to be very specific.
Britt Bratt Lungu actually they have found mutations of the sex portion of the Y gene that can cause a stifling of testosterone and/or estrogen in men. So it can be considered no different then being born without an arm. But that is not near as frequent as homosexuals so I do believe mostly they have let Satan in their lives. But you have to allow the possibility of the mutation instead of judging someone. So again the bible is right and we must love they neighbor instead of judging them.
Robert Ota it is not for us to judge
I thought he was very truthful. Sin means "missing the mark", there is no hell to send people to. It's a Christian doctrine meant to scare and control people. Sounds like the church did it's brainwashing on most of the intolerant, unforgiving people in these posts.
He should quote the scripture not give his opinions ....
Real Life News It says it’s wrong in the Bible just this needs some Bible quotes to help people understand where they are getting this from
Too many people forget to quote the verses in the Bible.
Real Life News amen
+Real Life News
But God's word is for those who accept it as such. Remember it is not the letter of the Law that holds the power, but the Spirit of the Law. So someone who has not the Spirit of the Law in them cannot understand the Letter of the Law.
Because this is mostly a secular audience (because the professing Christians have driven many away from the Truth with reckless and contrary application), one must speak to them differently than if they were just preaching to the choir.
Not of the word is not stated. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.....
PSALMS 1
1Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
2But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
3And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
4The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
5Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
6For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.
"the way of the ungodly shall perish" and sure enough the ungodly who pretend the Bible endorses their homophobia, their love of slavery, their desire to have intercourse with children, and so forth, are seeing their ways perish.
I love God’s word.
how about this for an answer
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
@@wagihfarid6236 now do the honest and accurate translation instead
@@leftgrrl the NASB 1995 is agreed on by scholars to be the most accurate English translation.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11:
“9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.”
The Pope said: Who Am I to judge them? That must be the Christian trend and avoid discrimination.
Here is a perfect example of people reading their own thoughts into the Scriptures.
@Steve Bugger!!!!! You've foundeth me out eth, eth, eth.
Do ye not know the scriptures
@Steve Sounds plausible Steve. So a lot of these Holy Joes could be working to a cash agenda and not towards a moral purpose. It's almost a relief to know!!!
@Steve Totally agree mate.
Steve nobody’s Russian
If you really love your neighbor you will try to save people from going to hell. If you believe the Bible it is clear
The old testament judgments for putting to death for certain crimes; was ultimately for self judgment.
+Mary McKinney
And how do you propose you will save them?
@salma ahmed So does that track with your earlier statement about your trying to save people? It is important that we use precise speech, especially when on such an important mission.
Mary McKinney oh now we're "saving" them?... oh and from "hell"?... Hogwash!
Mary McKinney No the Bible is not at all clear about "hell".
I believe God has spoken about this particular act. I trust his word.
@@ChangingTides777fornication is a sin equal to homosexuality acts.
If ur gay u really can’t change that so like I don’t get why people think it’s so easy just to stop being gay…..
All sins send you to hell. But we have a Saviour.
@@diegodelariva2036 Keep you god... He is a disgusting immoral myth...
"How could any civilized person believe in a God who would condemn his creatures to everlasting hell? Is there in nature a man so cruel as to wish in cold blood to torment, I do not say his fellow beings, but any sentient being whatever? Conclude, then, O theologians, that according to your own principles your God is infinitely more wicked than the most wicked of men."
J. G. What kind of civilized individual can believe in a God who is not willing to punish the crimes of men. All those who were wronged that did not get justice on this earth will never get it if God was what some people want Him to be. God is going to punish rapists, and murders but He’s also going to punish idolaters, thieves, liars etc.
J. G. There is no hell in the Bible.
Flower Power God is not in the punishment business. God sent [commissioned] His Son Jesus Christ "To be the SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD" (I John 4:14). Do you really think that Both God Almighty AND Jesus Christ thought for one second that this mission would end in utter failure ?
Im sorry but I cant agree with Tim Keller. Im saddened with this.
As you should be......bcuz he is dancing around the truth in order to ride the fence.
Don't be sorry! he is the one stupidly petting gay practices. I wonder what Bible he is reading?
Don't be sorry.
@@abashedsanctimony154 But as Tim Keller says, the Bible talks about other sins much more than homosexuality. So before we judge ANYONE remember Jesus' story about the man who was forgiven a huge debt (us/the saved), but then went out and attacked the person (the homosexuals in this case) who owed him a small debt. Don't be that guy - it doesn't end well for him...
@@AsaJG1 no, man does not lie with man.
Doesn't matter how you try to justify it, God's word is clear
How many Christians have actually read the bible? Or they just listen to what they are told when they go to church....
Wow. By these comments it looks like we need a little "blessed are those who are humble in spirit" and "blessed are the merciful" training.
Are we not allowed to call out sin?
@@asdfasdf3989 can you "call out sin" with a humble spirit and with mercy? Jesus could.
@@alexjflow Which would include flipping over tables.
@@asdfasdf3989 what does that have to do with anger? The Bible did not say Jesus was angry when he did that. Do you expect me to pretend that I have to discipline my children out of anger? That is a lie straight from Satan. I can think of one time specifically when my son went against my instructions and I had to do something surprisingly similar to "flipping over a table". But guess what? I was saddened when I did it, not angry. I didn't do it with anger in my heart. It was just a matter of fact, "I told you not to, you did, so this is what happens". Just like Jesus did. Matter of factly. "Oh you want to exchange money in the temple. Well let's see you do it with your tables upturned. Do it again and I'll do the same thing". No anger has to be present, because anger is a sin. At least it is if you believe Jesus🤷♂️
@@alexjflow Where does Jesus say - or where in the Bible does it say - that being angry is a sin?
My point is to say that "flipping tables" isn't what you would probably immediately think of as "humble". You seem to have fallen for the "nice Jesus" heresy.
I was expecting to hear a Christian perspective here .
MrFairlane58 A real Christian could understand his message, but a Christian looking for an excuse to keep on sinning would be dancing on the tables now .
As was I. Quite sad. The Church has turned from God
@AnotherScaldingHot ButtloadOfLiquidFeces why do you find it necessary to be cruel. I am sorry you have so much anger inside you. It can not be easy to live with. No one can make anyone angry that is a choice and a choice to act on. I pray you square away with the true root of your problem.
That is Christianity... Cherry pick and obfuscate out the insanity of Abrahamic religion...
@@andrewfrank7222 Atheism is the cherry picking of science.
If you're going to cite to the word "love" so often, you'd better have a good definition for it. When Jesus said "Love thy neighbor..." He was quoting from Leviticus 19:17,18 where "love" is distinctly associated with rebuking your neighbor for sin and not allowing him to sin so you will not also be guilty of his sin. "Love" does not involve advocating destruction in sin. Advocating another's destruction is Hate.
Not only should homosexuality never be described as "sin" or anything similar, discrimination against homosexuals has led to much destruction. Actual destruction, that is, not mythical destruction in a mythical hell.
@@fibonacci5878 It is sodomy not homosexuality. It is abomination. Romans 1:18-31
@ @@ColonelEmpire -- Why do you protest what others do so strongly? I think you protest too much. What are you trying to deny in your own being?
@@humanearthling4661 LOL You people are predictable... I'm not "protesting" I'm educating where the simple have been indoctrinated. Like you...
@ @@fibonacci5878 == I agree.
All of us are broken and sinful. We must all live humbly and live in repentance. Living in any sin and running to that sin is wrong and tells you where your heart is.
All of the comments are saying he’s “beating around the bush.” But I think he’s 1) trying to be specific, 2) being sensitive and careful with his words, and 3) he’s not just falling for what the interviewer wants him to say.
Let us try to illuminate what people mean by "he's beating around the bush".
Let us start by making clear what are the question being asked by the interviewer.
The interviewer asks him:
*What do so many of the churches have against homosexuality?*
_His answer:_ *_" I think most Protestant and Catholic and Orthodox Christians over the years have said you read the Bible and the Bible has reservations. the Bible says homosexuality is not God's original design for sexuality."_*
Then he change the topic about other things that the bible says that is completely irrelevant to the question because it wasn't about what the bible says or not. But the almost identical christians opposition against homosexuality is that often it use to harms the community.
So he spends most of his time talking about what he thinks the bible says instead of what Christian say and do.
*What is your church approach to homosexuality?*
_His answer:_ He never addresses this question
*Is homosexuality a sin?*
_His answer:_ _* "what do you mean by sin? but the answer is YES..." *_
_* Are homosexuals going to hell? *_
_His answer:_ *_"you don't go to hell for being homosexual"_* Then he changes the topic about greed.
So the only conclusion you can arrive at from his answer is that Homosexuality is a sin, you don't go to hell because of it.
Do we understand better why Christian are against it? no
He was dancing around the question to give a very vague answer that wouldn't put him against other christians.
@ emschleppy: very well put, I agree wholeheartedly. Christians often don't realise how archaic their vocabulary is to non-believers (also a word like 'sin') and how often and easily it is misinterpreted.
Keller is sensitive to that and trying to explain in a Biblical way what it means to say that something is a sin and what it doesn't mean.
He most certainly did beat around the bush, talked in circles, and gave a cowardly answer.
@@illithidhunter6177 Find yourself a Bible and read what it says.
When someone walking towards destruction if you love him you will tell him he goes in wrong direction. You will turn blind eye in the name of not hurting his feelings, if you hate him.
and tell us what is it about your sin that makes you the better person to call out someone else's sin?
@@texasiguana it is like you jumped the cliff and lost your legs. Now you are warning someone who is going to jump the cliff that he will lose his legs. Will it make sense if that person replies 'you shut up. you did the same thing. You are not a better person than me to warn'?
People who warn me about my mistakes or sins are the true friends. Does this make sense?
@@ebdev7741 one doesn't go ask a poor man how to become rich! One doesn't go ask a liar how to be truthful! So, why would the fallen give wisdom to another that is as fallible as he? No sir, for me, I don't ask nor take advise from another human! I go to the perfect one! (whom else is better at offer wisdom?
@Gloria Sheppard you made my point! We'll as you perfectly stated, since God said it in Hos word, how about us hypocrites let God tell the sinner not to sin! Why do you and I believe we are better than another sinner? I mean it's like "imperfect" man giving advise to an "imperfect" man! (on winners in that game!)
@@texasiguana you already have my answer.
What???????
Just say what the Bible says!!
Too many teachers are more concerned about PC and world than the truth. Sexual immorality is a sin that we are to repent from. If you are homosexual that is not a sin, but lust and practice of it is. I'm a sinner, I struggle with my own sexual immorality, so I wish not to judge, that is not our place. We do need to share the Truth and the Word as is intended.
Or perhaps do what it says?
@Sanji Kun
I find that most professing Christians don't even know that "inherit the kingdom of God" even means.
@Sanji Kun I presume you are not married. Anyone who has found a partner has lusted after them!...those that claim that physical attraction doesn't enter into it are liars.
@Sanji Kunit's easy to misunderstand intent sometimes! Sorry about that....have a good day
Greed is pursuing significantly more than you need. Surely 99.9% of us are guilty of that...
In this day and age there's no wiggle room to bob and weave Mr. Keller. You're either gonna clearly follow the Bible's teachings or not. Certain things are not up for debate.
I don't know if you are a hater or just can't afford a good weave, too bad.
bolt2395 : u don’t understand the Bible
If you wont *stand under* the Word of God, you cannot *understand* it!
Sin is sin and can only be cleansed by the blood of Christ!
Sin is error and we must learn how not to commit so many errors. One can tell when they err because the outcomes in error are not satisfactory. there is a leveling process built into the universe of matter in that it is always trying to return to Order. Almost all teachings on this Planet create chaos in thinking and the lies told are like round metal balls bouncing off each other ....Think about it. At no time in the History of Man, has there been such a proliferation of Organized Religions (I am not talking about the Christian Church where two people are speaking of their ideas of God..."THERE WILL BE THE CHURCH", I am speaking of Organzed Religions which turn everyone from everyone on the slightest differences.....Organized Religion has blood on its hands.....all in the name of trying to "SAVE" us from Sin! Wake the Hell up! You have simply memorized a sound bite and know not of what you speak. How DARE you try to come off to me and others as a Christian! I Love God and the idea of God so I can never hope to be saved because God sheds his blood for me! You are one sick hating creature. I cannot abide a whole room that calls itself a church full of your kind~!
Graham Larmour Some sins are worse than others.
Scapegoating is also immoral
Amen!
Sin has already been cleansed by the blood of Christ. The bible says, Jesus is the Savior of all men, especially them that believe, not only them that believe.
Such a pretty tap dance! This gentleman tries so hard to water down the Gospel, so people will like him!
God has not given us a spirit of cowardice!
As if the gospel is characterized by being against homosexuality.
Nor a spirit of fear. Speak the truth in love.
The Gospel is characterized by God's truth. Part of that truth is that a Holy God considers homosexuality a sin. Luckily for us, the Gospel is also characterized by God's mercy and grace, which a repentant sinner can receive. But if we wish to come to God, we do so on God's terms, not our own.
No, petty little jerks like you do. Arrogant Christians, which you are one of, water down God's love AND his Word. STFU.
STFU! You have no way of knowing another person's reason for thinking what they think, so just clam up and go somewhere else to peddle your wicked wares.
The sin nature must die! It doesn’t matter if it is homosexual or heterosexual. And Jesus Christ is the answer.
The problem with churches is, they want to pick and choose which sinners are welcome in their Church. They forget it's not their Church, it's God's church. So a pastor goes before god, and god says, who were you to turn away anyone. And the pastor says, but, but, but, they were sinners.
No don't turn them away but paul says it is unnatural. If person wants to come to church fine but they must realize that is the message that will be preached.
I guess you speak for all churches?
@@PlateletRichGel no I don't. My comment is for those I have attended, and for the pastors I have listened too. I hope there are a few more open minded churches, that realize we are all sinners. God will answer all things in the end. All glory is for him.
A pastor or church body can't turn away a person or person's because they are sinners, everyone sins saved or not,the difference between the people is that one is a believer in Christ, and has an advocate with him to forgive sins, the other one has not asked for forgiveness.
Utter codswallop ☝️
James 5:19-20 ESV
My brothers, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back, let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.
True about loving your neighbor first. Secondly, the Bible does say it is an abomination to God
Exactly.. 👌👏 abomination
@@Orange6921 Can I order this gift on Amazon ?
@@deuneskaportugal2170Everybody who holds on to the insanity of Old Testament is an abomination.
@@victorcoutinho156 You don't buy free things my friend. That why they are "free". All you have to do is accept it.
@@victorcoutinho156 The OT is the most undeniably proof of all that the book is written by a real Living God. The OT told us the entire birth, life and history of Jesus, Israel and Christianity long before any of it came to pass. It even predicted the return of Israel as a nation in 1948, even predicting the exact year some 2500 years ago. It even predicted all the detail about it, including the fact that it was not Jews who reformed the nation, but no Jewish nations (The United nations). Including how they would be a secular nations, no longer 2 Kingdoms, and still rejecting Jesus as their Messiah. Even the fact they they are surrounded by enemies on all borders (Muslims).
Christianity and the Bible is the only religion on earth not based on 100% BLIND FAITH.No other religion even attempt to give tangible proof or evidence.
The Bible foretells the entire 2000+ year Christian age centuries before Jesus was ever born.
These facts are TOTALLY impossible, yet they are clearly written right there in the OT, and we have copies of the entire things over 2300 year old.
Speak the truth of Christ...hate the sin and LOVE the person
True love is also helping them get into the kingdom of God.
suzie njambi
God is going to destroy the sinner along with his or her sin, so sin is created and caused by an individual so God hates sinners, you can find that in your Bible.
@makeitsupersized "...No stupid it's love everyone. Stop saying hate the sin love the person....".
So you're saying that there IS NO sin to be held accountable for ?
At this holy time of the year ( Easter ) the time to reflect on why God sent His Son Jesus to earth should be foremost in our minds. Why did Christ have to die a horribly painful death on the cross ? To take OUR SINS upon Himself, so that WE would not have to pay the penalty for them. He offers us eternal life after this short earthly existence ends. It is a free gift, which we can choose to accept or reject, by believing in what He did for us - or not.
Sin is the breaking of God's laws. We are ALL sinners, because we can never be as perfect as the One who made us. "The wages of sin is death" ( Romans 6;23 ). To avoid this fate, we ALL need salvation ( i.e. saving ), including homosexuals.
Jesus warns of the LGBT invasion in the last days. (Luke 17:29-30) "But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed."
(1 Kings 14:24) "And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel."
What abomination is the LGBT guilty of? All of them.
@@fairwarning4267 They claim that they are the victims of "the way they were born". That is a cop out. Apart from the fact that there is no gay gene yet discovered, even if it was discovered, they don't have to ACT on their impulses. That is because we all CHOOSE our behaviour. No-one forces us. You may not have control over who you are, but you certainly control what you DO. You can't blame God for the way you are. We are given free will.
This is summarised in James 1 ;13-14.... “Let no man say when he is tempted, "I am tempted of God": for God cannot be tempted with evil, NEITHER TEMPTED HE ANY MAN: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.”
God bless you brother
This pastor needs to be born again
Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the Lord pondereth the hearts.
I love that. Is that your's or biblical? I don't remember it.
@@markpittman2171 It's from the good book. Proverbs
A way might seemeth right unto a man but the end thereof is death
Love scriptures. Sword of the Spirit weapon. Yes!
@@markpittman2171 This is a quote from the King James Bible - Proverbs 21:2. I like what the Amplified Bible says, "Every man’s way is right in his own eyes, But the LORD weighs and examines the hearts [of people and their motives]."
Don't hate sinner; love the sinner! Hate the sin!
God says he hates them too
Especially hate the sinful preacher who lies about what the Bible says to pretend it condemns homosexuality.
@@pastorbri aha. Found you brian .Spreading your bullshit nice and thick. You ain't no pastor.
@@pastorbri aha. Caught you again you immoral deceiver. You ain't no pastor.
Jesus saw sin like a doctor. They that are sick need a physician. We need to learn what it means to hate evil. We have to believe that the people that came to hear Jesus some were really immoral people (men and women). It is no mistake that older brother in the parable said his younger brother was having one night stands with prostitutes. All sin in some way "kills" or "steals" or "destroys". The truth is that even if no one it is wrong it acts like a disease.
The moderator seems to have an underlying misunderstanding:
Assumption:
"To disagree with others entails that you must hate them"
Answer:
Christ died for people he disagreed with.
Nope. He didn't. He died to open the gates of heaven to those who accept Him as Lord.
@@YSLRD Youre literally saying the same thing Jae Lee Ba is saying in different terms🙄
Why does he say you dont go to hell? Of course you do! It's like with any and every sin!
I was shook wen he said it
yup
Be ye hot or cold ,Luke warm he will spew out.You are not loving someone by watching them play in the fire.Same as someone in adultery or a murderer.
Revelation 3:16
Stephen Babin Try to figure out a nonjudgmental way to pray for people.
"Be ye hot or cold, Luke warm I will spit you out" does not give license to judge people, it refers to not hiding the fact you are Christian in your daily deeds in your life. We are to live by example and worry about our own relationship with God and God will do the rest.
@@badmoonrising8275 being "lukewarm" is like constant pretense; one way then the other
for convenience; confusion.
@@theresnohell3144 I don't see what's confusing about it at all. Lukewarm is meant as a state of being in between. You are either Christian or not. He doesn't want you to be whatever is convenient at the time. In other words, if someone asks if you are Christian you must state you are if you are even at the cost of death.
Hating the person and hating the sin are two different things. As Christians, we are to hate sin. We are to love our neighbors. As children, a lot of times we do things that our parents hate and we get punished. Does that mean that our parents hate us? No. It means that they don't like what we did, and we need to learn to make a better choice. As humans, we are not our actions. The heterosexual that lusts after someone other than their spouse is just as sinful (even though they were technically "born that way" too).
So true.
It's "gay." Homosexual is disrespectful. And the "hate the sin not the sinner" is still hating the person. You are calling the person a sinner,,,which you just said you hate. How about we accept that we are all made in God's image therefore --- love each other. The Bible has over 70 sins straight people aren't to engage in. You engage in it even though the Bible forbids it. Hate the sin not the sinner-- would include all straight, cisgender people who continually sin, and sin frequently and point fingers at every one else- which is a sin.
@@sadiegirlson8122 Cisgender is disrespectful. "Gay" is disgusting, so is the use of rainbow. That is destroying the meaning of what was a great word, and destroying God's symbolism of the rainbow. It is either normal behavior or perverted behavior.
Adam was created in the image of God. Adam chose sin and all humanity since is in the image of Adam. ALL have sinned. We ALL have sin nature. If we are in Christ, we agree with God about sin and do hate sin. We also love others as ourselves and witness to the Gospel for salvation of lost souls. YES, it is hating sin but loving the sinner.
Natural man is enslaved to sin and cannot help himself. With Jesus we are freed from the enslavement, but we still have our sinful nature as long as we live this life. So Christians will sin, but then repent and not make a practice of sinning or else their testimony is false.
Calling out sin is NOT sin. It is what we should be doing. Judging wrongly/hypocritically is what is sinful. We can judge behavior righteously; that is not judging as in condemning the individual as that is only for God to decide.
You won’t find love the sinner and hate the sin the Bible.
@@sadiegirlson8122 you are confused
How does everyone feel about a church that only accepts God and not Jesus Christ, out of curiosity? It should be a crime to compare adultery to homosexuality and shouldn’t be considered as sin.
Amen
RIP Tim. Appreciate the wisdom
Its listed as an abomination and makes perfect sense to me.
see Sodom + Gamorha. Hate the sin,not the sinner.
God hates the wicked/rebellious sinner as well as their acts/sins Psalms 5:5!!!!
@@yndsu Was there a point to that,because i missed it. So everything's ok. If only.
@@keithlauderjr1691 my point was that (maybe you were not trying to make it, but as I have seen it before I felt that I should respond) homosexuality is not the only thing called and abomination in the Bible and singling out people who practise homosexuality and calling them and what they do abominable is not entirely fair. If you want to do that, call out people who lie and people who idolise money or people and who gossip on the same way. Call what they do an abomination.
God is love. He called us, not just called us but showed us, to love or enemies. To love Him. Because when we sin we are enemies to God. When Jesus called out people for their sin he did it in love. So we should do the same. Talk to them out of love, not out of judgement.
That was my point.
As I said, if I read what you wrote wrong, and that is not what you meant, my apologies, but I do feel that it needed to be said.
homophobia is the real sin here
We know the tale of Sodom has nothing to do with homosexuality, but tell me more about "Gamorha"
You can love your neighbor and not agree to go along with sin and call it normal. It is about the truth it is about repentance.
Yes this pastor is very soft.
The difference between a non believer and a believer is easy. The believer is ashamed of his sin. The non believer is proud of it.
When I have a relationship with Jesus Christ I also hate sin, because I love Him. Sin like stealing, homosexuality, etc tends to break relationship with Christ.
As I went through here and read a lot of the post it does my heart good that a lot of you people read the Bible and truly understand the truth. It does give me hope for the future
Yes Daniel, it gives hope, but our hope lies in Christ Jesus... we are seeing some of the most difficult times in Christianity... at 72 I would never have believed mankind would have fallen so low... but fear not... look forward with excitement, for our redemption draws near...
true which is why we must warn others of the sin of homophobia
@@reviewrattlesnake homophobics never mind their buisness, why should I then?
@@pastorbri sorry about that, replied to the wrong comment.
@@reviewrattlesnake Oh I see......ok.......
Many are called but a few are chosen
@Judy Hinterlong I choose destruction...
@Judy Hinterlong I do not "sin" ... You could not even define that word if you wanted to.. I make choices... Those choices have consequences... Sometimes those consequences carry a moral burden... I do not need fear of imaginary punishments in "eternity" to consider the moral implications of all of my actions... .... I do not act like a jack ass to real people; then go say I am sorry/repent to an imaginary friend .... Instead of the actual person I wronged...
Judy Hinterlong He doesn’t want to change his behavior. Therefore he doesn’t believe, he doesn’t want to believe, hopefully one day he’ll believe. But for now he’s made a choice. That’s why the gate is narrow that leads to eternal life!
Andrew Frank You know not of what you speak.
@@flop6228 I only speak of what I know to be true.. And/or probably true... I simply do not lie to myself about my mortality.... Make believe usually ends in child hood... Maybe not while reading fiction...
Wow Wow ...Only now come across this!! ... Well Mr. Keller, this is one of the most timid, weak, horrible, roundabout, indirect explanation to a very direct and simply structured question.... I hope you have changed over the years!!
I am so thankful that God will judge me and not the very non-Christlike views expressed here. I love the Bible verse "Let each man work out his own salvation with fear and trembling." Also, the book of Revelations talks about the "righteous" people who ask God "didn't we do all these good things in your name? and He replies "Depart from me, I never knew you." Many "Christians" are in for a great surprise on Judgment Day." You are NOT fooling God, only fooling yourself.
I felt Keller in this instance skirted the issue and some of the questions by distracting from the questions themselves. There are few sins that are called "perversion," "shameful lusts," and "indecent acts." These come from the Word of God, not from individuals. This was an opportunity to tell it like it is, as God has communicated it. Yes, love is important, we are even to love our enemies. But adulterous acts, fornication, homosexual acts, bestiality, incest, these cannot be tolerated in the church. They are very serious sins. So if the subject focuses on one particular sin or prohibition in the Bible, you do not do them justice by distracting and focusing on another or other sins. Answer the questions as God has stated the answers so clearly.
Well said Helen.
@@RealityCheck6T9 "There are few sins that are called "perversion," "shameful lusts," and "indecent acts." These come from the Word of God, not from individuals...But adulterous acts, fornication, homosexual acts, bestiality, incest, these cannot be tolerated in the church."
Where is the biblical support for that shameful acts = cannot be tolerated in the church and that = some form of excommunication or punishment from the church?
@@bverji The principle of separation of God's people, taught throughout the whole bible. The Church is to be holy, if not, it is just like the world, so what is the point of it being a church? If it does not stand for God's truth, it is merely a country club, making its own rules to operate by. These so-called churches are a part of the apostasy that the bible predicted would be, before Christ came back. See Jesus's warning in Matt. 7:21-23, we say we know him, but does he know us to be his own?
"I felt Keller in this instance skirted the issue"
That he did.
I do agree with you. Well said.
“You who commit iniquity, Depart from Me. I know you Not”
@@curtisfranks1556 both are wrong. Those who say "gays are going to hell" and those "gays are good innocent babies".
Curtis Franks God* loves you man turn to him
He gave us the law to lead us to himself as our schoolmaster.
We are burdened with our own choices, once we choose him, his direction softens the burden so our load is lightened.
All wrongdoing is sin.
Some are enjoyable for a season, until the schoolmaster is finished his task. His burden is easy and his load is light.
" yes lord,but why would you create me filled with sin?
the lord- " so you will be chasing me your entire life because you will never feel that you are good enough."
@@kawasakiwhiptwo5821 Sin is never a question of good enough. God already approves of the identity of his children, having them made in His image, fearfully and wonderfully, with plans and an original design for our lives. Knowing God doesn't chasing Him so that one can be made good enough. Knowing God means knowing the price that He already paid for you--Jesus Christ. The whole Gospel is a message of hopeless unworthiness on the basis of condition and not works, that is, that God is a holy God, and that the capacity for sin is the product of free will, incomprehensibly remedied by a perfect love. In your moment of sin, there's separation; but God's heart for you isn't as a parent that scolds His children in an imperfect anger. God's heart is heartbreak, yearning for you to do the things that are best for you, because He knows what's best for you better than you know what's best and better than we know ourselves. He wants to be with you because of an untainted love. It's us who run the other way in rebellion, not the type of rebellion that rages in bitterness and a passion for hatred, but the rebellion of the nature of flesh against the original design that He created. You are good enough. He sees you as good enough. And the impossible paradoxical irreconcilable burden of sin is just to be laid at the feet of Jesus as we approach God in confidence, with boldness, yet with meekness and reverence and awe, receiving a relationship we never deserved, paid for by the one we wrong.
I recommend Beckett Cooks testimony of his life and how the Lord helped him. Titled A Change of Affection! It's so awesome!
David Woods testimony touched me
And Rosaria Butterfield’s testimony. Becket even interviews her. Soooo good!
He's still gay
@@GhostRider-ce3eb He says he does not practice the homosexual lifestyle anymore, read his book if you want to know why.
@@Sandy-jc3vvmaybe he chooses to be celibate, but that doesn't mean that he's straight, he's not healed from homosexuality, because it's not a disease, it's not a choice and it doesn't harm anybody: why would god be homophobic?
An intelligent man being unable to please his audience and acknowledge the weakness of his argument
is he intelligent or seducing them with humor?
Simply a false gospel: turning from sin is a necessary part of faith and conversion.
🔵 In "The Holy Scriptures" (Leviticus 20:13) it says: If a man lay with another man as he would a woman, both shall be stoned to death outside the gates of the city to put this iniquity from amongst us".
I guess the question here is: Is it okay to pick-and-choose which parts of Scripture we will recognize and hold-to, or must we treat ALL Scripture as equally valid.
Jus' sayin'.🗿
Josh Hayl Jesus took care of this judgment you sited. So leave the rocks be. And then there's that commandment; "Thou shall not kill". Actually truth be known; all these Biblical commandments are ultimately to promote self judgment. Not to promote self righteousness.
So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.”
John 8:7
@@HIBUDBROs yes
@@HIBUDBROs and isn't it interesting that many hell believers say that God doesn't put people in hell that they put themselves; in hell. As ignorant as that sounds; there is a point. But; my point; there is not a hell.
@@theresnohell3144 The bible clearly states that there is a hell. However, what I want to say is that the commandment isnt "thou shall not kill", but "thou shall not MURDER". Otherwise God wouldnt have given them this commandment.
Alongside that, we mustnt forget that the laws back then were specifically given to the Children of Israel in order to prevent sin. As you probably know, laws can form the behavior of a society and since Israel was strongly affected by eg their neighbouring countries who have been sinning, God needed to put constrictions. Thats why it says that they are to "purge the evil" among themselves. You can later even read in the Bible how Israel starting performing these insane rituals that made them sin against God.
Most people cant imagine a thing when they hear "sin", but if you actually read about these rituals, it is quite understandable why God gave them these rules. Slicing babies throats and making them walk on fire. Having public sex with several men for demonic Gods. Homosexuality itself was also a big problem. It wasnt only inconsistent with nature, but it led to greed in the sense of "i want more sex". Saying that God has made an unrighteous judgement is nonsense. We need to think about the atrocities the people have committed, not the ones God apparently did.
Accepting Jesus Christ as your Savior is the way to eternal life in heaven!
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FORGIVE THEM FATHER. FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO. Adam and Eve prove that.. Male and female. Just what nature intended till we were taken over by weirdo people....its making me laugh so much...blind leading the blind on the road to nowhere.
@@roberthargreaves732 Nature is not a person, and nothing defines the phrase "nature intended". Hundreds of species experience homosexuality, but only one experiences homophobia.
@@RockoTheWallaby go ahead then and join the weirdos in their butterfly bum shagging worlds. Fucking disgusting fairies
Tim keller get an expository bible, first were all born condemned to hell. And unless all.are a new creation in.christ jesus, the the curse of.the law of moses, send all humans to hell
@@roberthargreaves732 You aren't making sense. Please back up your claim and justify that insult before spreading your ignorance and hatred to other brainwashed Christians. You obviously can't come up with a valid counterargument if all you do is insult me.
Live and let live ....love is love ...stop the judgement and hatred ...it's not Christian like behavior AT ALL !
With all due respect to the late Tim Keller, this was a classic "tip-toe-around-a-problem-with-a-parable"
Or maybe there was a different aim and he hit the mark?
@@samaritanjoe-ym1xh Look... you either think Biblically or you don't.
@@ManandGodgoSailing I don’t see how you mean that he wasn’t thinking biblically. I think what you mean, he didn’t say things that you think are in the Bible enough? It’s one thing argument to say he wasn’t biblical. It’s another to say that he didn’t say things that are in the Bible that you think he should have said, or should have said more, or should have said more strongly. But, of course, you won’t understand what I mean at all and come up with a flippant, dismissive, dogmatic answer.
The Bible is absolutely clear on this matter. His apologetic answer is "Love they Neighbor", but loving your children and neighbors is correcting them if they are 180 out with the word of God.
Scott Johnson I disagree sir. Yes you correct your children, but you don't correct strangers, that's God's job. And if I have to I'll give you Bible verse that says just that. Actually I'll tell you the verse and you can check for yourself. It is, Romans 12: 17-21
Scott j YOU have NO authority on WHAT IS the "word" of GOD ( as does NO human thus far) because NO such mandate has EVER been given to THIS point in time( because NO such mandate has been necessary) THIS universe is unfolding EXACTLY as it was designed to PERIOD. The ONLY thing that YOU call "religion" is man made psychological bullshit and has MORE EVIL in it than GOOD. Pray on it ALL you want but GOD does NOT care because "GOOD" and " EVIL " are HUMAN concepts and based entirely upon WHAT humans perceive as acceptable or NON acceptable and has absolutely NO bearing on OUR OWN outcomes. 1st off you could save a life ( presumably GOOD deed) but due to "butterfly effect" could be responsible for SEVERAL others deaths whereas you could take a life ( presumably "EVIL" act) and yet through the "butterfly effect" could actually be responsible for saving several others so by "GOD'S" observance NOTHING man could do would be considered right OR wrong because NOBODY can see the outcome of ANY PREDETERMINED action PERIOD
Scott j the FACT that NOBODY can AGREE upon ONE ☝SINGLE "divine" mandate of(GOD) just PROVES that NO such mandate has EVER been given because if it had it would be universal HUMAN law and could NOT be denied,argued,manipulated,mistranslated,misinterpreted,etc and would ALWAYS be HOWEVER NO such thing exists so this makes ALL religions WRONG and man-made so therefore EVIL mandates of HUMAN agenda PERIOD and THIS CANNOT be argued logically because it is OBVIOUSLY TRUE otherwise we could NOT argue over WHAT "GOD" said or didn't say
Btw it's not YOUR responsibility to "correct" ANYONE .( THIS is the christians mentality THEY think everyone MUST be ignorant like THEM lol) and WHAT does YOUR EVIL bible say about judging others? ( doesn't matter it's ALL a bunch of contradictory bullshit anyhow lol) seems YOUR like MOST Christians and pick and choose which parts of your religion you actually WANT to agree with or follow lol sad thing is that even if the bible WERE TRUE it definitely DON'T work THAT way lol
The bible is 100 percent wrong too. We have the right to say that. Just like we said that with slavery.
Wrong and you are scared to speak the truth Tim and confusing!!!
Run away with me mystery woman and
Felicia Fuentes yes Bible calls it luke warm the kind will make him Jesus Christ sick he is ready to vomit
Actually homosexuality is known to help flourish the whole group (as in human or other animals)
Is this the cameramans fist day?
Remember repentance?
Anyone?
Amen!
at Mark Thomas....Repentance for what? You do not specify...It seems to me too many "christians" have a tendency to demand repentance from those they BELIEVE have committed some infraction they deem needs to be repented....but repenting is for each of us sinners to do when we realize we have sinned; it is not for anyone other than Christ (God) to expect or demand of us. The Physics of God's Universe takes care to either punish or reward us when our error is egregious enough that we take notice.....there are many homosexual people who have loved their mates for a lifetime and also been productive members of society. What is so wrong with that, pray tell me ; some of you professed "christians"!
@@humanearthling4661 its an abomination to God sodomy is a unnatural perversion God made us male and female to be one its no different than other sins but usually repent means in general to turn away from sin and the world after being sorry for the sins and turning to Jesus Christ who is our atonement of our sin when we accept the free gift of salvation through our trust in Him alone not of any works so no man can brag its all God!
at @@elsablue3646 --- God, help us all...! Who do you believe wrote the bible? It was written more than 2,000 years After the Death of Christ . It was compiled by King James I from manuscripts of testimonials from various personages who lived in ancient times who had heard the stories themselves many generations before....So a rational thinker can easily discern that bits of conversations and stores told and retold over and over related by many different people who themselves didn't get the stories first hand,,,,can present a problem if one were to expect 100 % accuracy. Kings are notorious in believing that they have the right to manipulate and control those considered of lesser bloodline value than their own.
The crux of the matter is this: I for one, I do not recognize the bible as the authority on what God or Jesus Christ said those long ago days. Stories and conversations which have been through myriad translations and repetitions though thousands of years; plus the compelling FACT I have seen for myself when checking bible passages in bibles printed 100 plus years ago in comparison to those bibles of more recent printings, there are many parts that are almost unrecognizable because they have been changed so drastically.
People's Faith is not a debatable subject. It's purely subjective. I have faith in what I see of God's works all around me in Nature, the human eye, the laws of Physics, mathematics, the broad diversity of biological life on Earth . Its plants , mountains, rivers, oceans....which Mankind is doing all in its power to destroy the once pristine condition of Earth with his recombined organisms in their penchant for playing God. I shudder listening to preachers in their incessant harangues telling their mesmerized congregations what God thinks and intended. How can anyone know what God thinks? They don't even know how to think for themselves, let alone do God's thinking. The mess Mankind has made of this Planet is not God's work. It is Man's ignorant, misspent will at work.
I think you have no idea what the meaning is of the combination of words you put together in your comment ...I don't think any human has the right to deem an abomination anything that leads to two consenting adults engaging in whatever act leads to tender loving-ness in the act of mating toward a lifetime of discovery.
@@humanearthling4661 you have extremely false information about the bible! Even the atheist historians do not argue on the actual disiples writing the bible the books of the new testament are dated within 20-50 yrs after Jesus death and it was inspired by the Holy Spirit of God see cold case christianity or the case for christ
God is very clear! He used a strong word, abomination!
@ Wynette Greer Erm, no, the writer(s), translators and editors use the word abomination. They may have thought that it was the word of God but no reason for us to do so.
Wynette Greer
So why create gay people ?
@@korvaamiko66 Yes, they should be stoned to death on the edge of town. Leviticus 20.13. Modern apologists try to tap dance around this of course, but it's right there in the manual.
That word is not the same in the Hebrew hence the kjv, abomination unto God vs abomination unto you.
@@joebobjenkins7837 Whatever, hello Christians, mind your own business about who does what with who! The least interesting thing about anybody is what they do with their genitals in the pursuit of love.
What sends you to Hell is rejection of Jesus Christ as savior.
I see a lot of comments calling Tim a false teacher. What did he say that was wrong??? He just wasn't as angry as you'd like him to be
Right? He was pretty clear.
He said that practicing homosexuality will not send you to hell. When the Bible clearly states that you will not inherit the kingdom of heaven If you do that and you don’t repent of your sins. I can also give you scripture to prove that yes he is a false teacher. That is a straight lie. I really couldn’t believe that he said that.
@@buck7772 Keller clearly states that everyone whose sins are not covered by Christ goes to hell. He also said homosexual acts are sin. He just said BEING gay is not some kind of unique sin that automatically sends you to hell. All sins deserve hell but believers are redeemed by the blood of Christ.
@@buck7772 You are correct!
@@crafterman2345 Yes, thank you!
Unfortunately his explanation is not truthful. Very sad to hear and see it
@Fred Said HAHA...it's liar Frad...
@Judy Hinterlong well said Sir. And the truth shall set them free...
@Judy Hinterlong Cool...Why did you direct that comment at me? And why did Racheal Joe call you sir? Seems kind of rude.
@@alamotte2005 its respect. Like 'hats off'. R u offended?
@@rachealjoe6351 I just thought you would say Ma'am (A term of respectful or polite address used for a woman) since her name is Judy....
God's Word says, "if a man sleeps with a man, the way a man sleeps with a woman, it is detestable in the sight of God." It is sinful to do such things but then so to am I sinful for not loving my neighbor or for thousands of other things. God's Word tells us that "all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God" that being you and I.
The difference between the Gay person and myself is that I am repentant of my sins, meaning I want to do away with them and I fight against them, I'd rather have Christ. I still mess up as do we all. The Gay says, "I want to do what feels good" and then does it, with no sorrow that it grieves God. There is no repentance, just like with Judas. God still loves us and offers us forgiveness but for those who reject repentance; they are also rejecting God's Word and Gifts; Christ Himself. It is that rejection that ultimately leads to eternal death.
The Israelites thought they could worship Baal and God at the same time. God wiped out many of them for doing so. He sent his people into captivity. So why do folks think today they can do what they want, in defiance of God and say all will be well?
Remember God loves us but He hates sin, all our sin...not just the sin of homosexuals. Remember also God sent us all a Savior who forgives all sins.
1) There are plenty of straight people who have sex purely for pleasure.
2) Homosexual people often have equally devoted and personal relationships that are not based on just having sex and receiving pleasure.
Love is love, and Jesus promotes love, right?
Doug, everything you said showed how truly ignorant you are. It is also written that you shall have no bald spots upon your head, or shave your sideburns. It also says that you shall not touch or eat the meat of any animal which chews cud or has cloven hooves. Ever had a steak? You're unclean in the eyes of the Lord. It is also written that if a man should work on the Sabbath day he is to be put to death, so how many people did you kill last Sunday?
If you're going to follow your Bible, follow all parts of it and not just the parts you choose. Also, it has been biologically *PROVEN* that homosexuality is epigenetic and is decided at the very earliest stages of fetal development.
Also, 99% of all species practice homosexuality. Must be a reason for that. If God really hates gays, why did he make so many of them?
Lastly, if what the Bible says about homosexuality is true, then that directly contradicts what Jesus HIMSELF said! And that is that God loves all of us and would never leave any of us. Except gays, right?
Death Awaits when you study Greek and Hebrew and earn a Masters Degree in ministry, maybe then you can call me ignorant if we disagree. What you fail to understand is that there are different laws. You cannot compare ceremonial law and laws based upon sacrifice which were for that time, with practical laws that establish not only God's Justice but also guidance.
When Jesus came he fulfilled those laws and they were ended. He said desires Mercy not Sacrifice. The worship requirements back then were for people who lived under the law. Now we live under Grace.
You can make yourself out to be limited in wisdom when you just spout out verses that you have no idea of the context or message behind them. In Lev 21 Priests were not to have spots or blemishes because they represented Christ; the Messiah who was promised as pure and unblemished. Also shaving ones head was a sign of mourning back then.
I encourage you to seek understanding before calling another ignorant. It seems to me that you are the person displaying a bit of ignorance. But don't be to hard on yourself, I have met people who call themselves pastors who are also lost on the topics of the law. Many still live under it.
When you study Greek and Hebrew and earn a Masters Degree in ministry, maybe then you can call me ignorant if we disagree. What you fail to understand is that there are different laws. You cannot compare ceremonial law and laws based upon sacrifice which were for that time, with practical laws that establish not only God's Justice but also guidance.
When Jesus came he fulfilled those laws and they were ended. He said He desires Mercy not Sacrifice. The worship requirements back then were for people who lived under the law. Now we live under Grace.
You can make yourself out to be limited in wisdom when you just spout out verses without understanding thee context or message behind them. In Lev 21 Priests were not to have spots or blemishes because they represented Christ; the Messiah who was promised as pure and unblemished. Also shaving ones head was a sign of mourning back then.
I encourage you to seek understanding before calling another ignorant. It seems to me that you are the person displaying a bit of ignorance. But don't be to hard on yourself, I have met people who call themselves pastors who are also lost on the topics of the law. Remember we no longer slaughter animals for sacrifice now that Christ has acted as the one time sacrifice for sin, yet sin still remains so we still need the laws that act as a curb, a mirror and a rule.
Please see Beckett Cook’s CZcams channel, and his book, “A Change of Affection,” also “Holy Sexuality” by Christopher Yuan. Christians who take their sinful thoughts, desires and feelings to God, no matter WHAT they are, can receive His mercy and grace to overcome. It’s not about becoming heterosexual necessarily, ultimately it’s about putting God first- His rules are for our benefit, after all.
So encouraging to hear testimonies like his, Christopher Yuan's, and Rosario Butterfield's.
I think the majority of these commenters didn't watch the whole video...
I would specify they didn´t understand the argumentation.
Wasted 6.37 minutes listening to this unknowledge able man.
Right, he is winding and bending like a worm you step on. The Bible has no grey areas.
As soon as he said homoxesuality is not sin, and not sending you to hell..... I turned the crap off!
@@lunaj.r9758 bitch you are stupid
@@lunaj.r9758 I know I'm not a righteous person but the Holy Spirit which brings things into remembrance reminded me of what Paul and John the Revelator said about homosexuals not entering into the Kingdom of God and ending up In the lake of fire
And if a person is born again, God appeal to us not to conform to the pattern of this world but be transformed by the renewal of of our minds. Romans 12:2😇
And to be perfect, as He is perfect. (Mature, and willing to be perfected)
That's one of the most credulous statements I've ever heard. What is the pattern of this world? Is it that same as it was 3000 years ago? Or 100k years ago when modern humans evolved? The bible preaches against homosexuality, just as the church does today, it's called a moral evil. And moral evils are sins. But this is coming from a church that also thought slavery was ok, and that murdering your neighbor for working on a Sunday is commendable. Let me ask you this, if god is all good and all powerful, why does he give children cancer? It's not a game, im not trying to be funny, but you can't honestly tell me that god gives cancer to children so they howl in pain so he can have them in heaven! Whats good about that?!
@@italianGOD86 we aren’t completely under the influence of God seeing as we are of this world. Even though children are the innocents of our world, the world doesn’t care about them being innocent. Therefor they are unfairly subject to the evil things they cannot control. You could say “why does God allow them to get cancer” but then again God has to allow a lot of things that are terrible in order to respect the boundaries of our free will. If the child survives cancer through their struggle then they have won, but if the child passes away due to the struggle (through their innocence) they have also won.
@@jalenakeem5059 Ok so would you say that if he gives children cancer, he isn't all good? Good being your welfare/health. Because god is said to he all good and all powerful, if you believe your statement, you have proven he can't be both at the same time.
@@italianGOD86 we as humans often look at a linear approach to something being good. But in terms of God we have to think retrospectively. So if God does give cancer to a child, we can’t just look at the child getting cancer, but everything that’s affected by the child getting cancer, in order to interpret the will of God. (It is quite hard for our minds to think like that). Often times his will is like a treacherous pathway that leads to a magnificent destination, due to the world we associate with. In this world it isn’t guaranteed that we won’t suffer it’s physical afflictions. May I ask where is it written that God is “all” Good? It would be impossible for God to be the judge if his being is all good. It is even written that God knows good and evil, in order so that he punishes accordingly, so we know that God himself can’t be just all good. Also how do we define good? You say good is welfare and health, but even a excess of welfare and health can be detrimental to ones being. Does that mean that this good is dependent and not independent?
Wow, this was amazing, Pastor Tim’s humility and love for God is inspiring
This guy thinks he is a chosen vessel for the most powerful being in existence and that he alone can save the world from destruction. So humble
My church, his church, their church… i hate when people say this. Either you believe in Jesus or you don’t. But people HAVE to divide yet again.
You can't accept the savior and continue to live in sin. You must turn away from it.
true so why won't homophobics heed this?
All sinners who still sin as long as they believe in The Lord Jesus Christ are still saved.
@@PiggyWiggyO true, but homophobics don't seem to care if they sin or not.
@@pastorbri The do not care about The Lord Jesus Christ either therefore God gave them up to a reprobate mind. They can never be saved.
@@PiggyWiggyO yes, thats homophobics for u!
What a tap dance. Speak clearly done dance around the issue. You do your self and gay neighbor no good.
Thomas Patt
"done dance around"?? What's this?
@Fred Said quality fred.. Im. Agreeing with that my straight hetrosexual normal guy...
This man is a man pleaser stand on the truth he diverd the issues
@Fred Said that's a terroristic threat, young man. You could get arrested if you said you want someone to die to anyone in the real world.
@@foxonesplash whatever is done in a hetrosexuals bedroom is also not broadcast for all to cringe at.
Telling your neighbour the biblical truth is love.
Proverbs 26:28 ESV / 15 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful
A lying tongue hates its victims, and a flattering mouth works ruin.
Good scriptures....thanks
This was not Keller’s finest moment.