YOU WEREN'T THE FIRST CHOICE - Stephen A. Smith didn't HOLD BACK on KD & Frank Vogel 👀 | First Take
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- On First Take, Stephen A. Smith, Kendrick Perkins and Chiney Ogwumike react to the firing of Phoenix Suns head coach Frank Vogel and how coaching turnover has affected Kevin Durant.
0:00 Stephen A. reacts to Frank Vogel being fired
2:30 Kevin Durant as a teammate
4:45 Chiney talks Suns' structure and KD's leadership
7:30 Was Kevin Durant on the Warriors a mistake?
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kd has had 6 coaches in 6 years but i don’t hear none of these media guys calling him coach killer 😂 crazy
but yall said booker s better thn kd cuz of one playoff series
because LeBlame is the goat . . . . . . . . . . . . . of coach killer
Bc they weren’t his fault. But alright go off
Half of his coaches were actually the problem the other were because of his teammates short comings him individually didn’t cause them to lose their jobs
@@StepcurryNgPinasImagine mentioning LeGoat in a video about Vogel lol you gotta be miserable
Goofy af. Lebron a coach killer but KD had 6 coaches in 6 years 🤣🤣 Keep that same energy
KD is not throwing the coach under the bus..he's not a leader.so he's not trying to undermine he coach..that's why KD isn't a coach killer but Lebron is !
@@Herbalizer28 Lebron got 3 coaches rings, and KD?
@@jandt3463And Wade & Kyrie & COVID-19 got LeBron his rings
@@mauricefears1430 Yet Kyrie can't get none of his own. And covid killed (some) folks, not awarded ppl. Ring is a ring. Did Shaq help Wade? I thought so.....
Y’all keep blaming coaches when it’s OBVIOUS it’s these entitled athletes now days smh
Facts
It's gotten to the point that you have coaches choosing the Hornets over the Lakers. Nobody wants to deal with these superstars who will throw you under the bus the second they underperform.
@@unc54which coach chose the hornets over the lakers
That's why I respect the Miami Heat. LeBron wanted to fired Erik Spoelstra. Pat Reilly said no to that. Since LeBron left. Heat went 2 finals. With less superstars.
@@abzda1700 Charles Lee, Celtics assistant coach
Stephen A defending Darvin Ham when he got fired, even though he’s consistently been criticised the last two years for his rotations, defensive schemes, getting out coached etc. But when Frank Vogel gets fired, its fair. Tell us you don’t watch the games, without telling us..
Ham was working with a suspect bench and no wing defenders. He was trying to make do with what he had.
its because he only cares about the "brothers" that are coaching as he likes to say. hes a fool
He's defending his Yt Zaddy
That's the first thing that I thought about it. He up here having defended Ham!!
@@Lebronat40exactly
Vogel should’ve never been fired from LA
Facts
He was set up to be fired once they started breaking up that Bubble team.
WestBRICKS fault
LeBron fault
@@TodTatneyToo bad reality vehemently disagrees with you, WestBRICK STAN
lol
6 coaches. 6 seasons. This is absurd.
And they killed lebron for having 10 in 21 seasons
@@l3m0npl3dg3 fanboys titans attack
perhaps you missed the episode when they went off about ham's firing being unfair.
THE,PLAYERS RUN THE LEAGUE 😮
It still don't compare to 6 coaches in 6 seasons stop it@@G123G
where is this energy for darvin ham
It’s cause he white
Frank Vogel is white, that's why Darvin Ham didn't got this energy
@@matheusmko1 or because Vogel is an nba champs and have long nba career? gtfo with that racist bs.
SAS always defends is Yt zaddies. He said Dana White was his friend lol
Or maybe your dumbasses didn’t watch the video earlier this week when he spoke on Darvin Ham. Y’all love shitting on the Lakers but at the same time try to hold them to this championship standard, pick a narrative
Funny how Stephen A never says this about Doc Rivers 😏
Doc rivers still eating good off of that 08 ring.
@@dakoe33 Where he had Tibs as his assistant coach.
doc rivers is black that's why
It's because he's black
Or anyone black, to be honest. What did he say about Darvin Ham? Or Vaughn?
keep the same energy y'all had for bron bout ham
Right?
Lmfaoooo they won't. Bron had to have someone come out and defend him which is kinda crazy cause don't nobody believe LeBron James don't have influence over what's goes on in the front office. Like we didn't see Jerry Kraus ego ruin Jordan's chances of winning more chips. Like we haven't seen owners be blatantly disingenuous
You can tell they have personal agendas anyone who actually watched knew Ham was a horrible coach
Exactly…keep it 💯across the board.
What about AD?
You expect a defensive minded coach to produce a good defense with KD, Booker, Beal, Nurkic, etc? He was never a fair chance because he was never given proper defensive pieces. It’s that simple.
you clearly did not watch this segment
@@w00deey12 his "you" is general. He's not talking about the people in the video.
@@RoseCurry5 clearly you didn't watch the video either. If you did, then you would understand why I am saying what i am saying
Where was this energy with Ham?
LBJ is the most hated player on the planet
@@ashez45ify Exactly, all love for Ham cause all the HATE for LeBron. Even when it was AD who literally threw him under the bus, no one blamed AD an ounce.
Cry more. Your coach got y’all to the playoffs, TWICE, and had a winning record with the team WITHOUT Lebron.
It’s called racism.
Vogel is a way better coach than Hammy
And Ham is black.
Lakers wanted Ty lue as well ! The energy changes every time and kd said himself he deserves to be in goat convo
You mean to tell me LeBron had nothing to do with it?🤔
Boy Bron is rent free in yall heads😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@mr.r4910he was joking
*THAT* made me laugh, thank you friend 🤣🤣👍🏿🫡
@@mr.r4910 i think he joking 😂😂
Yes dude did throw up tantrums most definitely.
"Bradley Beal ended up looking like a Washington Wizard" 😂
Ham wasn’t the 1st choice for the lakers so why is the energy not the Same
because ham is black, stephen a never keeps the same energy
@@zyxtrr he wants to get back in the community that's all
@@zyxtrrYep, that's exactly why!
When did firing coaches become a big thing,coaches have been getting fired since the beginning of basketball
Disrespects Lebron James on Live TV ……..and then says “frank Vogel wasn’t even meant to get the job in the first place” and doesn’t mention the amount of bad 4th quarters they had……. This is why we feel like you have a bias against Lebron James .
Vogel - white
Ham - black
Simple as that
Stephen a? He said the 4th quarter’s were bad
He did mention the 4th quarters lol what video did you watch
As the same reason why he shouldn't in PHX.
Vogel wasn't LAs 1st choice either......
Hiring a defensive minded coach with players who don’t play defense like that is certainly something 😂
“Fair doesn’t exist” unless black coach’s get fired right Stephen come on get consistent lol
Are you stupid or racist? Darvin Ham went to the conference finals in his first year and beat the number 1 seed Memphis and defending champions at the time Warriors
Stephen A doesn't keep the same energy when it comes to Darvin Ham, Udoka, Doc Rivers. He's always ready to fire Vogel, Nash, Budd, Malone when they have one bad series. Hypocrisy at its finest.
I see a pattern there
@@deedeesmart1374 I don't think Espn cares about what he says as long as he keeps doing the show. He says similar things on his show too. He's just biased and pretends to be a neutral guy.
Are you people stupid or racist? Darvin Ham went to the conference finals in his first year and beat the number 1 seed Memphis and defending champions at the time Warriors. Stephen did repeatedly say if Doc doesn’t succeed it’s his last coaching job and Ime Udoka took the Celtics to the NBA finals in his first year something Brad Stevens couldn’t do
Three coaches in three year holy what going on in phoenix 😂😂😂
They need to stop with this l”they wanted TY Lou” he’s wasn’t available! What is this delusion
Ty Lue
where is the energy yall had for bron?
Durant - 6 coaches killed
LeBron - 6 finals losses
Jordan - 6 finals wins
They was just killing Lebron man the different narratives are wild. Took Bron out the goat debate debate because of it
They can take him out of it all they want but it doesn't make it true AT ALL bro haters gonna hate.
He was never in the goat debate to begin with.
If Frank Vogel was black, Stephen A would have more of a problem with it. Imagine defending Darwin Ham more than Vogel lol
Imagine if JJ Redick hired by the Lakers. 😊
My only defense of Darvin Ham is that Rob Pelinka is a terrible GM. The roster's he's built since getting a title don't really make sense.
@@recoil53same with the suns lol
@@OFB-ow9ue I don't really blame Vogel much. It was a messy roster and they should have picked up a cheap center. Having the option to have size and rebounding is easy with a 15 man roster.
They could have used a true point, but the style in the last 7-8 years is to have your best scorer have the ball and create for others - essentially the way Harden has preferred to play.
I think starting Booker, KD, and Allen with Beal as a sixth man would have been better.
@@recoil53they were only defending ham to slander lebron lol they really didn’t care about ham. Thes guys always look for opportunities to slander lebron.
I’m not black or white and I can still see how blatantly obvious it is that SAS can’t hide his bias for black coaches. Dude is an absolute clown
Stephen A such a hypocrite, he can make the same argument for Darvin Ham !! He wasn’t the first choice either. Bros a straight racist
Exactly that, Ty Lue was the first choice for the Lakers before they settled for Ham!
Where the energy for Durant bro running through coaches like my ex was running through other dudes
she was never yours if she was gettting ran threw
Wasn’t he complaining about Vogel getting fired from the lakers?
Its not coaches fault lebron and AD couldnt beat a one star team
SO FRANK VOGEL TAKE BLAME BUT IS LEBRON FAULT DARVIN GOT fired!?!?!?!?!!?!??!??!???
Crazy right! 😂😂😂
As a Wolves fan who knows how good this squad truly is, i feel bad for Vogel. He didn't do anything wrong, the Wolves are just too elite. Just watch what unfolds for the rest of the playoffs and you'll understand.
I like Stephen a smith don’t get me wrong but bro keep that same energy for everyone, cuz Darvin ham was awful n got fired n you was all upset. Stop always putting race and color into your feelings man!
Not true, vogel had worst 4th quarter in league. Ham made every possible adjustment vs jokic last year got swept. Gm brought back same team.
Thank you !!!!!!!!!!
@@xavierb9061 ham did not make any adjustments? what were you watching ?? he ran 3 guard lineups & had rui guard jokic last year, what did he do this year? THE SAME THING
bingo, this is a race thing
@@zyxtrr delusional laker fans lol. Jokic 2 big for ad, murray getting picks from jokic and lakers running dlo n reaves. What could ham do given these 2 things to stop denver duo? Nothing lol
Frank Vogel is actually a good coach, unlike Dopey Darvin
KD has had 6 coaches in 6 seasons
KD is the REAL coach killer
WestBRICK too
lol
Please explain to me how westbrook is a coach killer ????
@@dariuscoleman1034 Please explain why youre pretending that WestBRICK didnt get Vogel fired from the Lakers in 2022
lol
They literally got rid of Vogel for Ham bet yu weren’t complaining then… y’all lebron sexuals weird
@@brennanloderThey literally got rid of Vogel to appease WestBRICK. I bet youre a broke gambling addict. The masses, including myself, knew then that Vogel was a SCAPEGOAT and were complaining about it
You WestBRICK Sexuals are just weird and in severe denial of reality
lol
lmaooo and look at ham now . lakers fan hate westbrook. yall should hate lebron
What's wrong with leading by example and letting the coach do his job?
Exactly!!!
I know right! 💯
Hold KD accountable for the firing just like we do lebron
Oh shut up
@@Easykerrsniper no you shut up
Lebron had ANTHONY DAVIS on his team and got hosed 2x by a team with only one allstar. That's on him!
@@vulcanraven9701who cares about awards that these clowns on espn vote for Jamal Murray is one of greatest players of his generation better then booker Tatum and Bradley Beal
They won't
Where that energy u had for LeBron?
They refuse to talk Mavs only when they lose
Thtz weird tho I been looking for tht segment smh
@@ShaquillePollard yea Mavs nor okc got one
I love how different these conversations were with regards to Darvin Ham
Same here! 😂😂😂
The suns need a point guard and some addition to the bench.
“Unemployed”
Last time I checked they’ve still gotta pay that man despite NOT working 😂
Where was this energy with ham
Are you stupid or racist? Darvin Ham went to the conference finals in his first year and beat the number 1 seed Memphis and defending champions at the time Warriors
Lets say for what is it, Stephen A Smith feels bad for Ham because he's a ''brotha'' but justifying the firing of vogel because he is not lol.
Him and Wilbon
Frank Vogel rotation was awful, and he refused to play Bol Bol.
Didn’t LBJ want Tye Lou? But lebron and AD was trashed for Hamms firing by you.. but for KD is excuses lol
I know right 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Facts smh
Lue. How tf are you the 2nd one I jus seen spell his name wrong
@@iamhorcruxer so Lou is that far off? Lol
KD isn't supposed to be the leader of the team it doesn't belong to him it belongs to Book get yall's facts straight KD has nothing to do with it was Book.
Problem is with the suns is they are way to top heavy. All that offense and not a single bit of defense. The wolves work because they play amazing D and they work as a team. Team ball is winning ball. Not individual ball.
Tell the WNBA that about fair
Unpopular opinion: Ty Lue isn’t a very good coach
I don’t know why everyone wants him. He has been blessed with an amazing team everywhere he’s gone, what he’s done/not done with the Clippers is shameful
2021 : kawhi gets hurt in the 2nd round
2022: kawhi misses the whole season, lose in the playin
2023: pg gets hurt at the end of the season, kawhi gets hurt gm 1
2024: pg & harden choke game 5 & 6
this is all on the star players, it’s not lue’s fault they don’t show up
sas and fat man Perkins killed lebron for the darvin ham firing, pretty much blamed him for everybody on the coaching staff getting fired as if lebron has a responsibility as an nba player to protect everyone employed with the lakers. Vogel gets fired and its crickets for KD, the worst thing he got on this vid is that he isn't a leader, Perkins sounded like he had something personal against lebron on his rant days prior.
Lebron got bounced in 1st rd with AD producing Shaq O'Neal level stats
@@vulcanraven9701 Lebron was producing 28 points, 9 rebounds and 7 assists per game in the series. You need to come out of the closet. You're secretly obsessed with Lebron. Wait a minute, is this agent zero DLo's burner account? 😂 You're in every comment thread obsessing over Lebron like a chick 😂.
@@vulcanraven9701 and kd produced all star numbers too so what's your point dude??m
Womp womp
@@vulcanraven9701Yes bc Devin Booker just produced Kobe stats this series
Perkins played with Durant in OKC too
That first "You got ta go" was insane lol.
They don’t respect Vogel at all. Bradley Beal dissing him was a super bad look.
Fair is the place where they judge pigs.
Real Quote 💯💯💯💯
Pigs are judged fairly the fattest ones get picked first the smallest last...dumb quote actually
Naw when she starts flinching when Stephen A starts emphasizing those p words at 2:05 I lost it 😂😂
This is unfair to Vogel. What's surprising about them getting swept, when at the beginning of the season, or just when they traded for KD, the concern was their lack of bench and lack of defensive players because they traded them away to acquire KD?
Hold super stars accountable please
Yea Booker and Beal KD was doing his job.
Ohhh. So now we can point out why they were fired. 🤔. Unlike Ham.
Media bias against Lebron
How you expect a team to win with no point guard. Suns owner needs to fire himself.
Yes Perk .. PREACH! I hope he hears you!! 💜🧡
Frank Vogel is the luckiest dude alive. He’s getting paid to literally not coach a basketball team.
Bucks doing that for 2 coaches
You got to goooo 😂😂😂😂😂
7:55 Perk getting louder and louder ⚠️
It's always tough for coaches, this bunch of players get coaches fired for fun!
So much power placed on this players.
Stephen A smiths reactions to frank Vogel vs Darvin Ham is wild. It’s also cause he sucks of KD and hates Lebron lmao
No. Stephen A is extremely careful criticizing KD ever since he got checked by KD’s mom.
Yes Molly job up for grabs
I ❤ this show. Great chemistry between the whole team. 👌
Frank Vogel just wasn't doing good job coaching. The media just dislikes KD, so they always find a way to blame KD.
I'm not gonna lie....KD been on more superteams that anybody in the league
I would say a super team and a half. The Nets was a disaster and only a super team when Kyrie played and harden wasn't the best bill of health during that time.
LeBron has had more super teams
They call LeBron the coach killer, but this dude named KD, 6 coaches in 6 years. 1 coach per year? KD is the real GOAT in Coach Killing! 😅
Why nobody blaming booker he been there his entire career and I never hear him getting held accountable smh
These girls on First Take are absolutely brilliant. I’ve never heard a single bad take out of them
He aint unemployed, this man is probably still under payroll from the Lakers and Suns!
Exactly!!! It's called " Severance Package"😅😅
Thank you perk!!!!! Someone speaks the truth fnally
This is why we need more of Chiney, she the only one that made sense this segment
Have this same energy for Ham.
KD is fraud he cry everyday 😂😂
Nobody cries more than LeBron. That brother threw a temper tantrum on live TV like a little girl 😂
Ty lue is so over-rated though
The fact that the players have been running the NBA is devastating. If it was the NFL or NHL, the owners and coaches run the show.
Absolutely livid about Ham being fired from the lakers (who was also swept) and then say Vogel has to go for the same reason. Come on now.
What’s crazy is it’s year 17 and y’all are still expecting KD to be a leader. That’s not his DNA. He just wants to hoop… and play to the best of his abilities. You can draw blood from stone and you can’t change a players game in the 9th inning
They gave up leads because they had no PG to run the offense during closing times. It's not that hard to understand.
Well said Perk,...
I need one of those Vogel Vacations. Four years, $24M.
Actually KD never asked to be a leader on any team except perhaps the Thunder. Booker was supposed to the leader on Phoenix. KD was happy being a wingman like in a Pippen mold. Suns was Booker's team just like Wolves are Ant's team.
When Stephen a talks about KD he is never wrong
It sounds so much better hearing Geoff Brown say it with his High Pich Voice...😂
Maybe that’s just KDs personality. Maybe he just wants to go out there and hoop. Media should really stop trying to make KD some leader he never claimed to be. Seems like a quiet dude that stays to himself for the most part.
At least he enjoys the game of basketball unlike many other guys that are in it for the money and fame.
The Beal trade did not pan out for them at all. They need to move on from him and improve their bench and roster as a whole, a good big man and some good wings. Not All NBA players, but good ones, like the Nuggets and Timberwolves.
Visible in F1 Miami that on the basketball court 😂😂😂
Stephen A: Ham getting fired is a disgrace after forgetting how timeouts work and AD saying they don't run plays. Also, Frank Vogel wasn't first choice for Phx so he didn't deserve it in first place lol
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Vogel will be sitting at home collecting checks from both the Lakers and the Suns?
Man, that's a great situation to be in!
Exactly!!! Media Analysts are more upset than Vogel is. Vogel bank account is singing" Ching Ching " for each 💰 drop.Vogel is ecstatic to enjoy his family at Disney World! 😅
“He was gonna hold him responsible on the professionalism side” … Kendrick Perkins has trouble with words
Gonna say it again. Curry never got swept in the playoffs .
Should’ve kept that same energy when darvin ham was fired but Vogel got us a ring in LA gotta be consistent SA cmon now
Chiney is the only one making a sane point. It’s about the consequences of having a completely redundant roster.
The coaches don’t play they coach it’s the players that play the game so the coaches always get the blame when things go wrong
“Fair is where they judge pigs” - 💀
You gotta gooo 🤣🤣
KD is not a leader. He does not want to be. I'm pretty sure he's even said that himself. Phoenix is Book's team. Brooklyn was KD's team. GS was Steph's team. KD don't have a team. He's a supporting superstar. Always has been. He thrives as the #2 option. Book suppose to be leading the team and KD backing him up.
Frank still getting the bag for the next 4 years 😂