EP 2 - $6000 Carbon Fiber RC CAR Has 4 Motors And 60 Horsepower

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  • @KevinTalbotTV
    @KevinTalbotTV Před 2 lety +376

    this thing is gonna be crazy!! 203 here we come!!

    • @DeRock401
      @DeRock401 Před 2 lety +28

      You better hurry up with that build Kev!!!

    • @Andre_Thomasson
      @Andre_Thomasson Před 2 lety +9

      more like 300 lol

    • @nickbowker5134
      @nickbowker5134 Před 2 lety +13

      Shame you got your hands full with your monster truck, would like to have seen a race to the record between both of you

    • @1521joe
      @1521joe Před 2 lety +2

      you got that shredder ready kev?

    • @vincenttuttle3643
      @vincenttuttle3643 Před 2 lety +3

      Yeah that race would get crazy views

  • @brandonb.288
    @brandonb.288 Před 2 lety +1

    Raz - the machining and workmanship is absolutely top-notch! You are probably learning so much from this type of extreme build that many 'makers' would never get the experience to learn because of the sheer problems surrounding the power transfer alone. That doesn't even account for trying to keep everything inside of the car's footprint and map out where the parts need to go to make it work.
    Bravo on an amazing build.

  • @midship_nc
    @midship_nc Před 2 lety +132

    Thermal expansion on the gears could be a problem, looks like custom one piece pinions joining the two motors on each side would be an alternative. Good work Raz!

    • @Mad.Man.Marine
      @Mad.Man.Marine Před 2 lety +4

      What form of expansion are you thinking about? Radial? If you mean the width. Then I can’t see why it would ever be a problem. They are spinning the same direction. Now radially. I could maybe see that as a problem. But it could be adjusted out so the tolerance would be right once they are at running temp. Would just be a little loud while warming up the first few runns

    • @midship_nc
      @midship_nc Před 2 lety +24

      @@Mad.Man.Marine axial expansion towards each other, I know for a fact those motors do not use thrust bearings and only have two radial ball bearings on the shaft which cannot handle axial loads. The shafts and the gears will expand with heat. It will at minimum create extra drag and convert wattage into heat. Long term it will ruin the bearings in the motors. To deal with this he could use a captured one piece pinion with needle thrust bearings for each pair of motors that floats on the shafts with no set screws and would allow for expansion. This may seem over engineered but I can't help it, I work with bearing tribology, and industrial rotating equipment reliability every day lol.

    • @Simon-jr2oe
      @Simon-jr2oe Před 2 lety +3

      How much would it expand? I don’t rly see it expanding enough to be a problem

    • @midship_nc
      @midship_nc Před 2 lety +19

      @@Simon-jr2oe a rough formula for stainless thermal shaft for growth is length x temperature rise x .0000065(coefficient for stainless shaft growth)
      4.5"x140x0.0000065= .004"
      Then multiply that by 2 because there are two motors end to end which is over .008"
      8 thousandths converted to metric is 0.2mm+ and Raz said there was about a third of a mm clearance between the gears at ambient. Include the growth of the pinion gears themselves, or higher temperature and yes it could be contacting and creating an axial load on bearings not designed for such forces.
      Additionally these are "permanent" lubricated bearings and that oil will be vaporized by the heat and contribute to additional friction and losses.

    • @emusp
      @emusp Před 2 lety +3

      The gears will strip 100%. Should at least have used herringbone for lager contact area.

  • @robertocastillo6002
    @robertocastillo6002 Před 2 lety +8

    Top noch build as usual, but man, editing is at the same level if not better. The first part of the video and the conversation with the machinist is awesome 😝😝😝, you made my day. Keep pushing Raz!

  • @user-TJ365
    @user-TJ365 Před 2 lety +2

    Everyone is speculating about what is going to fail in the drivetrain. I am confident Raz will find the weak link on the first outing. Keep pushing the limits, it’s what makes the hobby so much fun.

  • @EvanPonton
    @EvanPonton Před 2 lety +3

    Wow, so satisfying to hear the gear mesh. Beautiful work as always Raz!!!

  • @rajgill7576
    @rajgill7576 Před 2 lety +17

    Im looking at this already and chassis flex will be changing your mesh dynamically. I would say put another carbon plate to stiffen everything above the motors as well, like a brace. It will help immensely

    • @bundles1978
      @bundles1978 Před 2 lety +1

      agreed, I also have my doubts that the pinion can take all that torque. otherwise a sick build. cant wait to see it run. better feed power in slow

    • @otm646
      @otm646 Před 2 lety +3

      You're always going to be fighting flex, he really needs to pause and redesign the motor mount assembly to be monolithic. That's the only way you're going to get the required stiffness out of it..

  • @pipnmaz
    @pipnmaz Před 2 lety +1

    The music at the beginning is awesome and suits the video completely. Celebrate the quadness and the machining of the pinions on some classic machines.

  • @audiquattrojamie
    @audiquattrojamie Před 2 lety +20

    Always taking it to the next level Raz, this is awesome!
    I’m sure this put a smile on your face when everything fitted so neatly, with such fine tolerances 👏👏👏👏

  • @justinmoore2977
    @justinmoore2977 Před 2 lety +32

    Really really impressive, I have to think the middle drive gear is going to get beat on pretty badly. Having some form of mechanical slip clutch in that center gear may save it and still transfer the power.

  • @markmmm1737
    @markmmm1737 Před 2 lety +57

    Looks good but I have doubts. Those gears will be stripped due to the power and the tiny area of contact.
    Personally I would turn around the motors and use 2 spools this will give you 4 times the surface area for the pinions and much less stress on the now doubled spool gears.
    Hope it works out for you, all the best.

    • @mixmashandtinker3266
      @mixmashandtinker3266 Před 2 lety +2

      Or he could make the shaft sprocket wider.

    • @nathanwest2304
      @nathanwest2304 Před 2 lety

      realistically we are talking about an RC car here, the tires would spin long before anything would be close to slipping

    • @markmmm1737
      @markmmm1737 Před 2 lety

      @@nathanwest2304 Then you have never seen a stock rc car strip out it spur or pinion gears.

    • @nathanwest2304
      @nathanwest2304 Před 2 lety +1

      @@markmmm1737 steel gears, 5mm engagement on either side, properly meshed, it's gonna be fine
      "Stock" really doesn't say much, could be plastic or aluminium gears, not meshed correctly, heck, even the wrong type of steel could be reason enough
      ever see a 4.6 bolt?
      gonna strip long before it's tight

    • @highwaytoquail754
      @highwaytoquail754 Před 2 lety

      Would you be able to have 2 motors run the left drivetrain and 2 on right? I don't know hardly anything about electric RC's. I take it with programming, the 2 sides could the trimmed to match power???

  • @lucaswilliams1011
    @lucaswilliams1011 Před 2 lety +9

    Man you do the most epic builds Raz. I’ve just done my first scorched infraction chassis , Raz carbon shafts , all the other carbon goodies and it’s all thanks to you and some of your tutorials vids. Thanks heaps.

  • @jboogierc1820
    @jboogierc1820 Před 2 lety +1

    Excellent video. This build looks amazing! Thank you for taking us along on the journey!

  • @never-stock-rc2968
    @never-stock-rc2968 Před 2 lety +4

    Raz this is the best channel on CZcams by far IMO!! and this is the kind of stuff the rc world needs!!! Super EP Raz!!!
    Keep it up!!

    • @keithbranch7718
      @keithbranch7718 Před 2 lety +1

      Definitely is and the most professional n take the build serious still love watching Kevin channel...

    • @never-stock-rc2968
      @never-stock-rc2968 Před 2 lety +1

      @@keithbranch7718 right! When I build a rc I honestly try to build them like Raz super clean top quality go fast parts and less is more sometimes. I look at it if I'm going to spend 150 on a semi ok servo why not go all the way in and get the best money can buy even if I have to save up. My k8s exb build is finally done an it sits at about 2100.00 that not including my spektrum dx5r pro 2021 radio..... Waiting for Xmas to drive it for the first time! Cheers!

  • @marinjeam
    @marinjeam Před 2 lety +1

    love the milling, drilling, cutting everything🔝 very clean build wow🤘 gogogo🏁

  • @paulus842000
    @paulus842000 Před 2 lety +1

    Omg😮😯 those scorched RC parts look absolutely beautiful. I have lots of questions about this already but I don't want to bother you too much with them. This is exciting, can't wait to see the next video. ❤️ Sending you love from France 🇫🇷

  • @ferror4652
    @ferror4652 Před 2 lety +2

    The sound of success! Amazing build

  • @Pablo668
    @Pablo668 Před 2 lety +11

    That was pretty cool. I was a machinist when I was younger, so that's all very familiar to me. Ughughughugh!
    Looking forward to more of this car. Wonderful parts from Scorched btw. I reckon that you might have problems with that set up, the pinions and shaft gear. Happy to be wrong though.

  • @dondagy9109
    @dondagy9109 Před 2 lety

    Your explanations are great. Im not a newbie, but for those that are, you make it about as simple as you can for such a complicated setup.

  • @no-expert
    @no-expert Před 2 lety

    As a child/teenager I was really into RC cars (still am) and I always dreamt of a custom build like this - thank you for sharing!

  • @fuhkoffandie
    @fuhkoffandie Před 2 lety +4

    driving down the road and never let your eyes off the gears, some priceless video. that editing was gold. oh yeah,
    I got a question. I know this sounds a bit excessive, but, are you going to clock those motors, so they're exactly in phase, considering that they're hard locked to each other (no clutches, slippers, etc.)?

  • @mmalone2107
    @mmalone2107 Před 2 lety

    Omg! Amazing build as expected ;-) can’t wait to see more!

  • @AutoBodyEverything
    @AutoBodyEverything Před 2 lety +1

    Wow I hope spool don’t explode under load. This is insane!!!! Thanks for sharing all the great content and creative engineering.

  • @sh1nan1gan5
    @sh1nan1gan5 Před 2 lety +1

    Can't wait for this amazing build to fire up.

  • @Planehazza
    @Planehazza Před 2 lety

    I came here for the RC car video, but I can't help but notice how awesome your home is!

  • @justindover8142
    @justindover8142 Před 2 lety +1

    Awesome as always brother!!!
    Cant wait to see her finished up!!!!

  • @watson9897
    @watson9897 Před 2 lety

    That is some gorgeous craftsmanship right there. Absolutely beautiful

  • @samcourtrc6767
    @samcourtrc6767 Před 2 lety +1

    This video was amazing raz I can’t wait to see these new builds on the runway

  • @MauzyrockRC
    @MauzyrockRC Před 2 lety +2

    Amazing. Being rather new to the hobby, I love to get a clear sound of other peeps gear mesh. Strange but it helps lol 👍👍👍

  • @integrityrc7356
    @integrityrc7356 Před 2 lety +1

    Your editing is getting insane 😎
    Once again. Elegance applause 👏

  • @KiloWattRC
    @KiloWattRC Před 2 lety +1

    Did you wake up from a dream one day and say you want a quad motor limitless? Epic build man

  • @angesrcs
    @angesrcs Před 2 lety

    My goodness raz. 😮😮😮. that is an absolute insane, wicked build. can’t wait to see the video on the speed run. 👍🏼🚗

  • @blacksheeprc8113
    @blacksheeprc8113 Před 2 lety +2

    You have the cleanest builds ever

  • @stevenrogersfineart4224

    Badass guy right there :)
    Machining well is definitely a super power!

  • @blueshiftrobs
    @blueshiftrobs Před 2 lety

    Love it ! Absolutely epic build

  • @fishtailfistscale8362
    @fishtailfistscale8362 Před 2 lety +1

    The machine shop is always epic. You build awesome toys Mr. Shifrin 🏆🎥🤝🤙

  • @soundmindtv2911
    @soundmindtv2911 Před 2 lety

    OMG, the drama and tension!! Haha, I love it!!

  • @midnitejmpr9429
    @midnitejmpr9429 Před 2 lety

    Ok I was not expecting the way the motors meshed to the drivetrain to be like this….. what an absolute unit

  • @jarviswoychuk7758
    @jarviswoychuk7758 Před 2 lety

    Your videos keep getting better and better it’s great

  • @jrussell2k6
    @jrussell2k6 Před 2 lety +1

    Absolutely epic! Keep up the great work

  • @jeremybertrand7931
    @jeremybertrand7931 Před 2 lety

    I like how your videos are like a motion picture production! Awesome!

  • @slyknezz6862
    @slyknezz6862 Před 2 lety +1

    Can’t wait to see how this turns out!

  • @madmatt2769
    @madmatt2769 Před 2 lety +1

    Raz it is one epic build! Awesomeness 👊🏻👊🏻👊🏻

  • @Paul0088
    @Paul0088 Před 2 lety +1

    awesome cant wait to see it run

  • @meanmachinesrcclub
    @meanmachinesrcclub Před 2 lety +1

    Super intro man! 😍! Let’s see this happen!

  • @ChiefRickyRC
    @ChiefRickyRC Před 2 lety

    Greetings from Northern MN 🥶! Awesome bro, top shelf!!!

  • @ianbudgetrc2574
    @ianbudgetrc2574 Před 2 lety

    Epic intro. That machinist is a hero!

  • @ChiefRickyRC
    @ChiefRickyRC Před 2 lety

    Champ is here! Keep it up!

  • @minecrafterfun
    @minecrafterfun Před 2 lety

    I completely lost it when he started exercising! 😂
    This is awesome!

  • @MarkSantaMaria
    @MarkSantaMaria Před 2 lety

    Sheesh! That thing is nuts! Excited to see it run!

  • @ChiefRickyRC
    @ChiefRickyRC Před 2 lety +2

    Awesome! Better hurry! I'll be hitting 205 next summer 😉

  • @JEEEPEEES
    @JEEEPEEES Před 2 lety +1

    Mega video this time, well done! Looking forward to see her performing.

  • @stayfunsteven2207
    @stayfunsteven2207 Před 2 lety

    I haven’t even watched 1/4th of the video but the intro I already love it

  • @daddy9bot937
    @daddy9bot937 Před 2 lety +1

    Man This Monster is gonna be amazing~!

  • @Dragonewiz
    @Dragonewiz Před 2 lety

    LOVE your instuction videos !!!😉😉👍👍I have some rc cars and love them...but don't know alot about the things you are doing 😲😲...but... with your instuctions i really understand alot more about keeping my cars running great...!!!👍👍 "GREAT VIDEOS THANKS FOR YOUR TIME ...AWESOME...!!!🙏🙏😉😉

  • @iki4586
    @iki4586 Před 2 lety +1

    Lov that content!

  • @ghostly07
    @ghostly07 Před 2 lety +2

    This build is epic! It even has more horsepower than my car!

  • @jamesmccoy204
    @jamesmccoy204 Před 2 lety +1

    Absolutely crazy brother!!!!

  • @uivideo7637
    @uivideo7637 Před 2 lety +1

    Great work, keep it up.

  • @vsci79
    @vsci79 Před 2 lety +1

    Lovely!

  • @whimsicalcellbooster
    @whimsicalcellbooster Před 2 lety +1

    The more the better 🤣 I like this idea.

  • @Shadow-sv9gj
    @Shadow-sv9gj Před 2 lety

    RAZ YOUR SOO COOL !! YOU SHARE YOUR WORK YOUR ACHIEVEMENTS WITH THE WORLD . YOUR A LEGEND !!!!

  • @MrGreen-il3iq
    @MrGreen-il3iq Před 2 lety

    It looks very very nice 👍🏻 really pretty thing!
    Merry Christmas Dude🎄

  • @Greywolf74
    @Greywolf74 Před 2 lety +6

    This is a really cool build for bragging rights but that thing isnt anywhere near 60HP. At best The quad motors are putting out somewhere between 35-40HP collectively. Thats assuming that each of those 1650kV motors on 8S consumes somewhere in the neighborhood of 6500-7500 watts each. Castle doesn't tell us the wattage ratings on their motors but a Hobbywing 1650kV on 6S is rated at 5700W. The really big TPPower motors can get up to around 9000W each so going somewhere in the middle of that (which I think is being a bit generous) at 7500W is only about 40HP. If you calculate for 7000W each then you end up at about 37.5HP total. Once you start taking other factors in to account like voltage sag, efficiency, etc youre probably looking at something closer to 30HP for all 4 motors combined. Id like to know how you arrived at 60HP.

    • @S3irun
      @S3irun Před 2 lety

      I think he did the following, simple calculation: If 2 motors are rated for 30HP, 4 motors add up to 60HP.

    • @Greywolf74
      @Greywolf74 Před 2 lety

      @@S3irun Yeah but where did the 15HP per motor rating come from? It didnt come from Castle.

    • @trevorlaquale6602
      @trevorlaquale6602 Před 2 lety

      Yeah im trying to picture things ive had with actual 15hp... and i couldn't fathom those tiny ass shafts on the motors standing up to 15hp

    • @trevorlaquale6602
      @trevorlaquale6602 Před 2 lety

      @@Greywolf74 just looked it up, website says can easily reach 10hp range so there not claiming 15 but im shocked

    • @Greywolf74
      @Greywolf74 Před 2 lety

      @@trevorlaquale6602 10HP I think is still a stretch because I dont think thats taking things like efficiency, voltage sag, etc in to consideration but that number is at least in line with the upper end of what my HP calculations came out to based on Wattage approximations. Im curious though where you found the 10HP rating at because Castle doesnt list that info on their webpage, or at least not anywhere on the page that has the motor specs. You got a link to where you found that at? Im betting if you could Dyno a single 1650kV motor on 8S it would only dyno at maybe 6-8HP per motor.

  • @mikeymike3240
    @mikeymike3240 Před 2 lety +1

    Hi Raz, genius idea man, really liking your engineer 👷‍♀️, he’s a funny 😆 guy.

  • @ruffriki3264
    @ruffriki3264 Před 2 lety +1

    Yow Raz, really kool shavings! If Saga could see u now!🤣🤣🤣

  • @bigcatdairy
    @bigcatdairy Před rokem

    I like the wall paper, it's gorgeous

  • @technicalmadman2986
    @technicalmadman2986 Před 2 lety

    Great project" very well engineered,
    I think I'll get back into RC one day when I have time..

  • @DIYwithBatteries
    @DIYwithBatteries Před 2 lety

    This is awesome man 👍

  • @florianreinfeld640
    @florianreinfeld640 Před 2 lety +1

    I love that Phantasialand-Music👍😂

  • @henrytang2203
    @henrytang2203 Před 2 lety

    That's more power than some road cars. I'm genuinely impressed.

  • @MaxPorsche-ei5jo
    @MaxPorsche-ei5jo Před 2 lety +1

    Your pinion is as big as my spurgear . Crazy build.

  • @gourobkundu2173
    @gourobkundu2173 Před 2 lety +2

    Gooodayum !!!!! This thing will fly !!!

  • @matthiasreichwein1775
    @matthiasreichwein1775 Před 2 lety +1

    You and that old guy are amazing

  • @christophberlin2871
    @christophberlin2871 Před 2 lety

    I am more interested in a tour of this gorgeous apartment. Amazing design…oh yeah, good RC work ;)

  • @dalaw6600
    @dalaw6600 Před 2 lety +1

    I dont even have an RC..... One day...... Butni love watching your builds

  • @bitemykrank1970
    @bitemykrank1970 Před 2 lety +2

    This must be 60 of those MAGIC Chinese HP's we all hear about ?

  • @jspeedrc
    @jspeedrc Před 2 lety +1

    🔥🔥🔥Big like from France 🇫🇷 👍🏽 👍🏽

  • @yo.its.michael9425
    @yo.its.michael9425 Před 2 lety

    This puts a new perspective on an all motor car

  • @JacobusRC
    @JacobusRC Před 2 lety +1

    Belongs in one of those museum display cases!!

  • @sddiymakeitworthit7512
    @sddiymakeitworthit7512 Před 2 lety +1

    Super awesome 👏

  • @clairecooper3848
    @clairecooper3848 Před 2 lety +1

    Looking sooo good 👍👌👍

  • @andyb9994
    @andyb9994 Před 2 lety

    I'm probably a little behind on your channel but I will catch up, anyway the car looks very nice, very clean & neat...👍👍

  • @ztwntyn8
    @ztwntyn8 Před 2 lety

    8:16 EPIC wow! Rolls super free also 👌🏼

  • @MLDeS100
    @MLDeS100 Před 2 lety +1

    2:17 change your locks, a good lockpicker can break into your apartment just off a picture of the bitting on your key

  • @davidnotgidenko
    @davidnotgidenko Před 2 lety

    Recently subbed. Love ur vids

  • @diyelectricbiker9361
    @diyelectricbiker9361 Před 2 lety

    The intro is epic.

  • @stephenstoufer3948
    @stephenstoufer3948 Před 2 lety +2

    Have you ever thought of turning the motors around and using 2 Pinocchio Spools to run directly to the gearbox

  • @freedomforourfallen3755

    That’s sick

  • @ernazhuzan3328
    @ernazhuzan3328 Před 2 lety

    Greatest opening video... Like trailers movie in Hollywood 🍻 cheers

  • @joshchatwin8569
    @joshchatwin8569 Před 2 lety +1

    Man that’s awesome but I don’t think them pinions will handle the power of them motors great video and love what you do keep it up can’t wait to see this beast running

  • @hansdahlberg9969
    @hansdahlberg9969 Před 2 lety +1

    Man! the intro 😆 your so funny

  • @arrmatuning1595
    @arrmatuning1595 Před 2 lety +1

    Wow just wow

  • @strexttp
    @strexttp Před 2 lety

    Nice work 👍

  • @nickbowker5134
    @nickbowker5134 Před 2 lety +1

    What a beast

  • @krisallen6466
    @krisallen6466 Před 2 lety +2

    Man I have been waiting for this vid and can’t wait for the running vid as well. You are truly a genius and a leader in the rc world. Everyone else is just a follower.💯

  • @AK-dy9xn
    @AK-dy9xn Před 2 lety

    Your a mad scientist 🙀

  • @helicopter7730
    @helicopter7730 Před 2 lety

    I just wanted to add that your mechanical skills are excellent and the car looks awesome. But my comments below about the motors still stands.

  • @dausspraydausspray1138
    @dausspraydausspray1138 Před 2 lety +1

    Good job

  • @Ritex223
    @Ritex223 Před 2 lety +1

    Raz, please read this.
    Coming from a mechanical engineer perspective this construction is destructive, you cannot mount two motors that are connected directly to the same gear (and you are trying to connect 4). You must have some sort of an interface between them. Best case scenario a reverse differential, worse case a torque dampening coupling on every motor shaft. You absolutely must do that because the motors don't turn continuously, the poles of each motor always allign differently, therefore the motors experience torque ripples. In this case the torque ripples are rigidly transmitted to other motors which create motion interference, that's why the car sound bad in your newer videos. Motion interference leads to loss of efficiency and destructive forces on the motor and gearbox. I have experienced this on full size electric vehicles, believe me, this phenomenon can split gearboxes open. As I have mentioned, to avoid destruction and to get better results, you must install a differential or couplings.

    • @TheeMissingLinc
      @TheeMissingLinc Před 2 lety

      I was gonna say the same, also de-bur the gears after the lathe! It will cause severe mechanical wear

    • @orange_tweleve
      @orange_tweleve Před rokem

      Idk why but I always feel like these dudes mechanical knowledge is limited to rc level , and I swear to god you meet the dumbest and uncreative people in this hobby.