Why the Acolyte is a Complete Betrayal of Darth Plagueis AND the Force
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The Darth Plagueis novel is a masterpiece…
I must buy it
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Yes
I totally agree with you, however I feel like this video could have waited. We're only 3 episodes in. They can tie this all together. I'm not too worried yet
@@Joshmprime If you're not worried, you need to leave.
You know it is bad when The Stupendous Wave is calling Disney out. 😬
@NovaSage watch they say he's being a snowflake by just giving his honest opinion which is a fact because everyone has been saying it
Who's next greyjedi91, evannovia, Antoine?
@@tydasavage6890no he's a level headed fan who doesn't want to constantly negative or feed drama.
This is constructive criticism pointing the flawed writing of the acolyte.
Ya, my favorite part of his channel is his ability to explain some of how their odd choice are plausible and explainable often even in legends.
@trollzynisaacjohan1793 He's the Nerd of the rings of star wars.
I love that legends say they didn’t actively make the chosen one. The chosen one was made by the force as a counter balance to deal with imbalances caused by the sith.
That's why it was called the prophecy of light and dark
I think this is also why the witches ended up with Twins. One light, and one dark.
@troubleondemand7703 the force leaving it up to destiny.. it's that simple
....and Jedi.
The imbalance was a swinging pendulum of fate.
@@ericlondon2663nah, the Jedi use the force in a way that doesn’t put it out of balance, by following the will of the force. The Sith impose their own will on the force, manipulating and suppressing the force to their will, using it to gain power and follow their own selfish path.
This is the dark side, it’s a way of using the force, not a part of the force itself - the dark-side puts the force out of balance, and the force views it like a cancer that has to be removed.
Jedi give in to the force, and try and follow the will of it. This doesn’t put the force out of balance at all. You could have a million Jedi and the force would remain in balance .
Just one dark side user and the force is out of balance again. Got nothing to do with Jedi, nor numbers.
Made out of a castle made of flammable stone is hilarious
😭😭😭😭🤓🤓🤓🤓
Uhh….Windsor Castle is made of stone and was lit on fire in 1992 so it's not exactly fictional.
"inflammable means flammable? What a planet"
Lmao
A couple of fire extinguishers would have been a good idea, especially when they build castles from flammable stone.
@@GalvatronStudios there is no history of it catching fire not to mention that place is probably wood and stone by the looks of it but you do have a point but normally stone doesn't burn.
This video exemplifies how old star wars feels different from new star wars. In the older stuff, things have a cost, and actions have reactions. For example, Luke fights Vader when he isn't ready, and gets his shit wrecked, training and effort actually mean something.
New star wars, imo, subscribes too much to rule of cool. It tries to explain everything with blanket answers like "This person was strong in the force, so of course they'd succeed if they just believe in themselves enough." Anakin is arguably one of the strongest force beings in existence, but he failed plenty of times because he wasn't ready, made bad choices, etc. Success is only meaningful if there is a real cost and real chance of failure.
I agree with you, and love the expansionistic level that is Legends Continuity. Where what is considered Canon now, it doesn't have the decades of lore and information to stand on. Just the movies and before everything now, the shows and select books. But give the current canon time, things will get fleshed out like legends, especially what there comics are doing
I’d argue that while anakin was always getting W’s, he lost literally EVERY TIME when it truly counted, hence the life he had
@@AkodoGaroudude the fallen order and Jedi survivor games are amazing storywise at least, Cal Kestis is a beast!
A light Saber wound is like a knive wound next show, a knife kills a jedi, but hey Disney for u
@@countengladx7156 not gonna lie... Completely forgot about them... Add it to the list! Haha
Disney should never have obtained Star Wars
Blame George Lucas for that
@@2apocalypsex L decision from George tbh
@@CepheusFromTheMoon What do you mean L decision from George?
we would never have any movie or series after return of the jedi lol
@@2apocalypsexIt’s not that simple. George only sold because of the hate the prequels got at the time.
-“Have you ever heard the tale of the Witches of Brendak?”
-“No.”
-“Congratulations.”
Charlie Hopkinson’s Qui Gon keeps saying everyone in this series is Plagueis lol
he was right the whole time
Maybe the true Plagueis was the friends we made along the way.
@@eudacye709 lol 100%
"A massive fortress of flammable stone"😂
All you need to know about the writers mental capacity
I’m glad I’m not the only one. I was really trying not to be a hater but couldn’t help it while watching the stone walls of that room burn… well I guess I’ll just go play KOTOR again.
The stone isn’t flammable but there are plenty of items in the fortress that are. If you look very closely in the scenes there seems to be plenty of wood on the floors and the walls could have material on it for decoration that is flammable. These are typical design elements of stone castles. Also look at the scene where Osha and Sol flee through a courtyard, the outer walls weren’t burning. Fire was only scattered throughout the courtyard. In the room where all the witches are dead, there is no fire seen in that room, just a glow from something else burning. What we don’t know. When they pull away from the fortress to see the full fire, the stone facades are not burning. Fire is only seen in specific places … not covering all the outer walls and all the stone.
Castles burn, stone castles burn, stone fortresses burn, but it’s not the actual stone that burns, it’s everything else inside that burns that eventually destroys the castle/fortress and anyone in there. The fire and the heat destabilizes the stone and destroys its supports. Think about extinguishing systems. There would be little to none there to slow the spread of the fire because there is probably no large enough water source to specifically counteract a fire. Even today with all our advances, a fire in a castle can be devastating. In medieval times fires could definitely destroy a castle and all those in it.
The biggest issue I have is the start of the fire in Osha’s room and how it spread across the floor. I would assume the door is an electrical fire but there would need to be something on the floors that would react with the fire for it to encroach on her in the way it did. Maybe an epoxy of some sort, or maybe the floors in that room were only meant to look like stone and were something else that would give comfort to the girls walking over them. Point is you don’t know what was actually burning because you don’t actually know the make up of the items that did burn.
On top of all this, we still don’t know what caused the fire to spread so fast. What actually killed the witches. Was there force lightning involved or some supernatural force fire? We don’t know yet.
Thanks to the power of streaming you can actually go back and rewatch the scenes and if you are able to look past your biases you should be able to see what I’m saying.
Makes sense. If you believe that you can have a camp fire in space, then you also believe stone is flammable 😂
@@tatsusama3192 we’ve been believing that that space ships and lasers make actual sound in outer space since the original Star Wars, so why are we quibbling over a fire, on a spaceship, in upper orbit over a planet?
Brought to you by the same people who think Jedi can survive a lightsaber stab right through the spine/chest but somehow die to a butter knife to theboob
Kathleen Kennedy should have been fired after bungling the entire Sequel Trilogy. It’s mad no one on the board of decades or shareholder outrage have led to her dismissal.
Because everyone was so r a c I s t over Finn, it was easy to dismiss concerns over Rey (which some were also s e x I s t) and blame the t o x i c fans for the sequels failure. They kept Kennedy to spite you.
Why? We've had a lot of good star wars content with her in charge
@@martin9224 not compared to what was made. Rogue One (based off Order 66 between OT), Mando to end of Season 2, and Andor (before OT and right at end of Order 66) were good. The rest are trash to meh. They (Disney) should have gone outside the Skywalker story or use the EU writers to Lucas's ideas, but we're cheap or wanted to do own thing with hack writers and directors. Disney played it wrong.
This I agree with.
@@PhoenixDawnX77 Dunno 'bout that... so yeah, maybe some had 'r a c i s t' motives, but not all, including the folks who paid their money expecting more to be entertained, than _'preached'_ to.
Holy crap I didn't know that plague's experiments were so developed and had so much potential if he wouldn't have died and would have gained immortality,he would have eternity to do horrible experiments and plunge galaxy into darkness
Plagueus was extremely intelligent and he wanted to create a clone to jump into. Palatine has the same desire.
@@persephone342not true
You assume anyone at Disney care about source material or read the Plagueis novel.
Well it's obvious
I doubt anyone at Disney or lucasfilm even know who Darth Plagueis is.
no ones assuming its clearly apparent
@@darthtrayus6066 I thought not….
It’s not a story the Jedi would tell them. It’s a Sith legend.
They put more thought into JoJo Siwo than that.
Personally, I don't feel the children were born from The Force but was more a an action of Reciprocal IVF, or Star War's version of it. An action that may in fact itself be illegal within the High Republic. The fact that Osha and Mae don't seem to have any of Koril's DNA, seems to reflect and speak to that action having taken place.
Neither Osha and Mae seem to be very affluent with The Force as well, speaking to a potentially average midichlorian count at best, my guess is maybe 5000 to 6500 on the count. So they are no Anakin.
The coven leader seems to be a fraud, and it appears that they all died for a lie.
Yeah I see no reason at all it wasn't just boring old earth-style IVF. Occam's razor.
_"All they had to do was just pluck some threads, I mean, Stupid Dooku, Stupid Palpatine...PLAGUEIS, IDIOTS!!!"_ -Star Wars Theory after getting his heart broken by Disney Star Wars for the 69th time!
Ohhh
He's a professional victim. Toos is done for. Unsubbed. Lying for years about Vader 2 bc Vader 1 paid him enough to not feel that hunger anymore. And not care about you.
He jumped in with the fucked up half of Collider when they fired all of their best staff. That should've told you everything you ever needed to know.
Dude is making a pretty darn good living by "having his heart broken" by Disney.
His views never really took off until he started hating full time. Weird coincidence I guess...
@@mickeyconnor830 why would you unsub the dude has a point I subbed right away my man
@@mickeyconnor830cry more loser
Lol flammable stone. I love you man.
The disturbance in the Force by creating the twins must have alerted the Jedi.
I find it hilarious that random people in the Star Wars fandom can make better explanations for why stuff happens in a Star Wars show than the writers of the show itself who claim to "love Star Wars".
The disturbance in my pants from the creation of this show should've alerted me that star wars is finally dead 😢
That's the only part of this ENTIRE PLOT that remotely makes sense.. to some degree
Wave thank you for this because I know you tried your best to keep your focus on Legends continuity so I'm glad this video helps people who don't understand and why this show has no direction. Even before I read Plagueis's book you could tell it took him many years to study the force and make it work for him but as we all know the force is about Balance which is why it backfired for him.
In the castle made of flammable Stone...
If you build your palace of phosphorus....
How on earth no one pointed out this obviously avoidable poor choice. It’s like the special effects people didn’t even talk to the script writers until halfway through production. I know we are watching space wizards play with lasers but there is a difference between fantasy and stupidity. It took me completely out of a scene that was suppose to be tragic.
@@ctag45If you believe a camp fire can exist in space (episode 1), you don't think twice about a stone castle being flammable 😂
I will say that since this all happened off screen and, as of now, all the information is coming from one source, it is possible that Disney is setting up a misdirect. With the Witchs having either exaggerated or completely falsifing the actual circumstances behind this ritual. That would be the smart rought for Disney, but we'll have to wait and see if that is what they planned.
Hope is the carrot dangled in front of the carthorse to keep it plodding forward - raistlin majere
@@mikeabbaticchio5754 And yet it's all we old school Star Wars fans can have these days, lol
@DMBLaan I've decided that the stuff I hate that just has star wars in the name but isn't star wars didn't happen and recanonized the EU. My life so I determine my reality. I'm not gonna let some prejudiced, sexist cretin tell me what to believe in my life and my franchise. It's mine and a billion others NEVER hers and others like her.
If it’s a misdirect it’s entirely unintentional
Darth Plagueis Never had the power to create life and stopped people from dying George Lucas confirmed Palpatine said all that to trick Anakin and Manipulate him and get Anakin to join his side
Not necessary a betrayal. The Witch Cult from Acolyte is who knows how many centuries old. They have a different interpretation of the Force and their abilities come from an entirely different understanding of it. The same way Nightsister magic is different than Jedi powers. In Legends Jacen Solo traveled the galaxy and visited many different Force using cultures that had abilities/perspectives outside the Jedi/Sith. Sometimes someone else with a completely different understanding of a topic can come with ideas and solutions that a traditional approach would NEVER have dreamed of.
Good point!
Do you really believe the writers of this show have thought that in depth about it? Do you really think they are going to give us a robust and fleshed out narrative around how the witches were able to create life with the force? Highly doubtful considering the quality of the dialogue and storytelling so far
@@lux-veritatis You can say that about anything. Why didn't Obi-Wan use the super FORCE speed they used in the opening scene to catch up to Qui-Gon & Maul? Never got a fleshed out explanation for that either.
Some awesome lore and knowledge from the archives! Thank you, Loremaster Wave.
They could say the witch leader was a former sith alchemist whose research was lost.
They could, but it wouldn't make any sense still, because that breaks the Rule of Two, and we know the Sith line before, during and after this generation. Also it would still be an absolute travesty, destroying Lucas' Star Wars and undermining Anakin and why the entire Story of the 6 movies takes place. We have to face the fact that with this, Disney has completely ruined Star Wars and a 40+ year span of continuity and canon has been irreconcilably damaged. Disney can't walk back from this one. It's over.
They have too much of a lesbian agenda to push for them to do that
They could also say the former employee of Harvey Weinstein is a complete fucking moron, hired by the elderly coffee lady who used to do some kind of work for Lucas and Spielberg.
Kept in place by the absolute other incompetent out of touch imbecile of a CEO former newsman iger. And they still get funded by a massive investment corporation such as Blackrock who openly stated that they want to change behaviour. Then again, they all seems to be getting paid for now, so perhaps it's workign as intended. For now. This trend won't last forever.
It wouldn't break the rule of two at all. There can be multiple sith (which we've seen countless times with ventress, maul, savage and dooku all being alive at one time). There can't be more than one sith lord and an apprentice.
@joshbuchanan8541 They are not REAL Sith, though. So you are trying to say that a shitty Sith Acolyte has the ability to do something that one of the most powerful Sith masters and alchemists in galactic history couldn't do? That makes absolutely zero sense. Stop trying to defend Disney's shitty woke decisions and just accept you have 2 options now. You shovel the BS that Disney is doing down like a mindless drone and try and justify the contradictory and stupid things they do. Or 2. Ignore Disney completely and only accept the OG 6 Lucas movies, the Clone Wars, and the EU (Legends) as canon. And trust me, Legends is not only 1000x better, but it also makes sense and doesn't contradict the movies and lore. The choice is obvious. Ignore Disney.
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A Darth Plagueis show would have been great compared to what we currently have.
Oh yeah!!!
If its great it aint Disney
@@chiquita683 well first off we would need someone other then KK at the helm and then someone who both loves and understands the lore of starwars but i agree its a long shot they ever make it
Was he a chick, gay and lame?
No
Never going to happen
If only. One day when black Rock and vanguard funding dries up and Disney is forced to sell maybe we'll get that show but sadly we will all be long gone by then.
Thanks for this enlightening technical account.
This video is awesome thanks for diving into Plagues lore.
Imagine they made a crossover between legends & Disney stuff and Plagueis saw this, and just got like "What the hell? It took me decades just to fail, then some random lesser force users pull it, and worse, the force doesn't do anything about it? I call favoritism!"
Plagueis from Legends would just kill them
@@elmermedina1713 After saying this, trust.
And what if Plagueis teached the witch and it was part of his experiment ? That didn't cross your mind, you're an easy and naive spectator. The revelation will be a true revelation for you, so naive.
@@anonymus4683 This could be true if we didn't already have a sith who's not Plagueis.
@@themanbehindtheslaughter7319
We do not know who the master is. What are you talking about
The force created Anakin, the witches manipulated the force through witchcraft.
Lol I love stupendous wave, he's the only one that would spend the time to make an amazing lore video, knowing it'll get thrown out, and disreguarded
I am so obsessed with plagueis lore. The mad scientist needs more love.
I do find it heartwarming almost everyone uniting over hating this fan fiction (and that an insult to some fan fictions) tier writing.
The Space Witchbians used the Thread to create life through magic. Completely different than what Darth Plagueis did. Because "The Power of Many".
Correct. It is different. Plagueis failed because he was motivated by greed and power-lust. The witches succeeded because they acted out of love.
The forces doesnt care about greed or love by themselves thats jusylt a cope out for new gen the power of love, and, fruendship triumphs all its terrible writing only works for 6 -10 year old and even then they get tired I'd the same rehashed bull that's Hella expected @Wright805
You put more effort into this, than any of the writers did into the script of the Acolyte
Thank you for all of your knowledge! We appreciate your vast knowledge
0:39 I am in the camp of wanting something like a child vs the force reverberating and thrusting back after all the meddling and trying to have it bent to the Sith’s will. I think that the idea of being able to make life also ties the witches together. The force took their intent into account instead of just saying it can’t be done
I was wondering when you were gonna weigh in. Been following you for awhile and always respect your opinions. I follow you for most of my star wars news, apathy set in a few series ago for me
all those years of experiments plagueius did...when all he had to do is scissor palpatine. also, interesting that plaegueius explained the aenima and pneuma from the force...and both of these are absolutely incredible songs by tool
One of your best videos to this day 🙌🏽
Preach brother. This was such a good watch
It's possible they used the force to directly create the twins but it's also possible they may have used some kind of banned cloning tech. The mothers never directly say they were created using the force only that they didn't want the Jedi to find out how they were created. Maybe it was something more akin to modern cloning tech which involves injecting genetic material from a donor into an emptied out host egg cell. Maybe they did something closer to that then somehow used the force to ensure the girls had Force sensitivity. This was not a good episode but it seems like everyone is jumping to conclusions on a series that has said from the beginning that it is trying to mislead the audience. How about we give it time and learn a little patience like good Padawans? The series may very well end up being trash. I think one of the biggest problems with it is they have overestimated the audience. They have assumed the audience would be patient and wait for the narrative to unfold, but they were wrong. They forgot that most people want all of the answers now. Most people want easy watching like most of Mando, which has been lots of fun. This show is not that. This show will require patience and a willingness to try and connect the threads while also realizing they are trying to mislead which means we will need to really pay attention. Does that mean the end product will be good? No, it might be nothing more than a tedious waste of time and genuinely suck, but we won't know until the end.
the problem is that the writing, even for SW standarts are so bad that i dont trust them with a good and logical story, from what i seen so far.
@@jacobscholtissek2410 yeah. I'm trying to be positive about it but....yeah. we'll see
@@f4rnsworth138 im the opposite now, if it turns out to be good im on board, but if not im not surprised.
PLAGUEIS?
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I NOSE EVERYTHING.
lol...of course "they" would destroy Disney's legacy and reputation, as their own personal revenge against Walt Disney...That doesn't change the fact tha they could only achieve it thanks to the normies, brainwashed, cucks and of course traitors, living in our societies...
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1:22 the force definitely did not forgive. it set fire to their stone castle
I completely agree. What Plagueis and Sidious did is pervesrsion of the Force. Mockery of life and death. It's evil. And what witches did is terrible did. They couldn't do this. Ever. I would love to see this done by Plagueis if he was shown onscreen. May the Force be with you too😊
There have always been countless strange force using groups that can do some strange things... some abilities are common, some super rare. Also having a group working in concert is different from an individual or pair of people... there's also the fact that intent and methods matter.
This falls flat to me because there is no way the most powerful and knowledgeable Sith Lords like Sidious and many others wouldn’t have learned what those “strange” force users know. There is no reason the witches would have knowledge the Sith Lords wouldn’t, or at least wouldn’t be able to learn. It’s been well documented that, at least since Tenebrous, the Sith had been studying the force and its potential diligently.
Long story short, they would have been able to learn how to do this stuff. It doesn’t make any logical sense no matter what - it’s just been massively bungled. I can suspend disbelief for theoretical fantasy worlds, but when that world isn’t self-consistent, it’s a problem.
@@michaeljayne6731 It makes perfect sense. The Sith were motivated by greed and lust for power so they failed. The witches were motivated by love so they succeeded. Simple as that.
@@Wright805 That doesn’t make sense to me. What kind of loving and good people encourage kids to lie so they can stay behind with the group to help the group be more powerful? Especially when one of those children clearly wanted to join the Jedi?
Doesn’t seem loving to me, it seems controlling and manipulative. Also, they’re so tuned with the force they can create life like that, but they couldn’t tell one of the young girls didn’t wanna be stuck in a life with the coven? If anything would be easier to do as a force-sensitive, it’s the latter thing.
And those are just a few issues I have. It’s not internally consistent at all, and I love fantasy but the world has to make internal sense and it absolutely does not.
One bonus: if “love” is so powerful that it’s a force cheat code, I don’t think most other events in the SW universe make sense. How can the Sith ever accomplish anything if the force is so anti-hatred? The Acolyte plot is more of something I’d expect from a movie like Frozen (oh! All along “love thaws”), not Star Wars. It made sense in Frozen, doesn’t make sense in SW. There are too many force welders for it to make sense, and soooo many good/loving/genuinely well-intentioned force users fail or die. If love makes the force work for you better, then that should not happen - at least to the degree it does in all other previous SW media.
Its not, Sol is the Father of the Twins... people are just not paying attention to the mountain of Foreshadowing in the episode.
if true, that's one hell of a plot twist
these hack writers aren't clever enough to come up with a halfway decent plot twist like that. still wouldn't make this disgrace much better though.
@@KoolAidBuzz They make it pretty clear he's the father.
How often you heard of 4 Jedi showing up to collect 2 kids who are far to old to start the jedi training.
Why would Sol spying on them.
In previous episodes they bring up he has strong attachments to Osha
He's almost in Tears when he's telling her they can't go back for her sister and everyone is gone. That seem very Jedi like to you?
That sounds like someone with attachment, Now why would some random Jedi have attachment to some little girl he just met.
The show-writer knew she would be trolling the dumber people on the internet when they just 100% assumed that the twins were created out of the Force.
Hahaha “In a castle made of flammable stone” 🤣🤣🤣 Nice subtle dig at the show lol
I believe the head witch used one of her egg cells to create a zygote, and then implanted the zygote into her partner. The Force's reaction was to create twins from the zygote.
This is what happens when you hire people who've never seen Star Wars, to make a Star Wars show.
Also, have BLM and Radical left-leaning Political views.
@@Caesar_1415stop. You guys ruin star wars with your fucking gate keeping and "real star wars" bs.
Andor is one of the best Star Wars shows out there and it was doe by someone who did not like Star Wars.
@@stuartbagley2586
Andor was sharply criticized at the time for being more a generic sci-fi show than Star Wars. However, it appears to have been a competently told story, and that has earned it increasing favor in the Star Wars community when compared to the abysmal programming such as Book of Boba Fett, Kenobi, Ahsoka, and Acolyte. Andor did not build anything, but it destroyed nothing either, and anymore that is good enough.
@@stuartbagley2586 In a parallel universe where Disney would have embraced Legends star wars and give us shows from the old republic, the mandalorian wars and all that juicy stuff, andor would be shit on as the worst star wars show ever made. That indicates how far we have fallen 😆
The Force hated these witches so much their stone castle burned like kindling.
"In a castle made of flammable stone"-The Stupendous Wave. 😂😂😂😂
I'm simply not going to care yet. I don't know how the series is going to handle any implications yet. But for now, I'm willing to be ok with an isolated and secretive group that has a different understanding of the force do things others couldn't. And even if they don't address it any further at all, I'm fine staying here. I never care about canon much in the first place, but this still doesn't have to contradict it.
Great video, this is why I love real knowledgeable fans and not just culture warriors looking for their next griff.
So creating life through the Force alone is actually an affront to the Force, that's interesting. Also The Acolyte is horrific I just consider it non canon.
I don't understand wth is going on in Star Wars canon anymore. The power to create life is as easy as thinking of the Force in a slightly different way? Is this where we're at? We're kinda semi-screwed already when Grogu just mysteriously exhibit the ability to heal in Mandalorian S1, but now? I give up...
What are we not getting about other cultures in the galaxy using the Force and not giving a damn about the Jedi rules for using the Force
Tbh. This is a part of legends I’m glad is no longer canon. Just my subjective opinion of course but I don’t find this explanation of Anakin’s origin to be very interesting. I also don’t want The Acolyte to end up being some origin story for the method that created Anakin or something. I like that so far it’s totally disconnected from the Skywalker Saga and I want it to stay that way.
Their version basically seems like cloning as the twins look nothing like the woman who carried them, whereas Anakin has no resemblance to Sheev or Hego.
All I could think about was aenema and pneuma.. TOOL.
Awesome commentary.
I LOVE THIS!!!
Actually the Force did react (by a certain point of view). The Force lashed at the witches by allowing the whole coven to die in one event: in part by the hands of their creations and also possibly by the arrival of the Jedi searching for the children. Also, we don't know yet that the Sith in Acolyte aren't Plagueis related as this would be the timeframe he would be alive yet very young and learning. Interesting they have yet to touch on what pre-Skywalker saga Yoda makes of all this.
the living force doesn't kill though, just punishes/leaves the individual that abuses it to astronomical lengths
Lol not how it works. Just cus something happened doesn't mean it's cus the force made it happen.
@@tomkite91 That's more or less what I was intending with my comment. The Force leaves a person and its lack of support in situations results.
This. I'd say let's wait till the show is done b4 making assumptions about lore.
Maybe the living force changes destinys based on your karma in interacting with it? Kind of like how the will of eru iluvatar destined golum/smeagol to inadvertently die on mt doom bc of his broken oath to frodo?
This is supposed to be a galaxy far, far away, not a galaxy far, far LGBTQ+ 😂💀
The people currently in charge of the future of the starwars universe are childish and have serious personal biases which cloud and distort hopes for an accurate story.
For a person to have such hatred inside themselves that they would destroy decades of artistic continuity of thousands of individuals is astounding.
Looks like the stupendous wave has finally found his spine.
George Lucas: Darth Plagueis was the dark lord of the Sith so powerful and so wise she could even influence the meta chlorians to create life.
Disney: Darth Plagueis there is no Darth Plagueis Darth Plagueis sucks in fact he never existed at all
Star Wars fans: what the hell is wrong with you Disney why do you have to mess up Star Wars like this this isn't what we wanted this isn't what we wished this isn't what we dreamed why Disney why!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Damn, Star Wars fans sure do sound like whiny little snowflakes
Disney knows best 😭😭😭👽👽
I'm confused. Wasn't plagueis a man?
Oh I see. You made a slight mistake or perhaps autocorrect works for Disney now lol
@@2apocalypsexnear 50 years of canon gets retconned and people don't like it and we're the special snowflakes. How about the people who have so much privilege they not only destroy the past but killed it because they had to for the message.
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I’m halfway through the video, but what if the story makes this one of Plagueis experiments ?🤔
My thoughts exactly. If we find out the was all his working, I don't see this issue
Videos like this declaring that acolyte are one of the big problems with SW. Literally can't let the show actually deliver its ideas before snowflakes start crying.
The genre is really cool, it's a mystery, who done it from different perspectives.
@@ibidiby1 and here's the thing, Wave is not normally like this! I understand why he felt the need to put thos video out, but I wish he waited a bit.
You could argue that these witches may have stumbled upon some ancient knowledge, or the knowledge had been passed down through generations, and so didnt require experimentation to get results. With the witches dead then the knowledge is lost and Plageus would have to 'relearn making the wheel' in a sense. Hopefully the Acolyte explores the consequences of their actions. Perhaps them being twins is what retains balance (one dark one light) and therefore the force is more receptive to their creation
Let the story play out. At this point we are all making assumptions. There has not been a definitive explanation of how the twin were created. At this point, I’m thinking that the process they used was more likely cloning and spirit transfer, hence the circle on the forehead. This show has been a mystery, complete with confusion and misdirections. There are five more episodes and people already think they have it all figured out. I don’t think it’s as simple as “I created them.” Again, let the story play out. If by the final episode, established CANON is truly upended, then by all means get upset.
“The acolyte is making a huge mistake. One which has repercussions that aren’t currently being talked about.
Greetings acolytes.” 😂
LOL
LMAOO
Well... Several things:
- Which parts of Plaegis story is Canon?
- how do you know in canon (because the acolyte now is) it does not tie to the retconned story of Plaegis? Retcon is not new in star wars.
- how do you know the creation of Osha and Mae was easy? They never said it was. They only inferred they did create the girls through magic.
- how do you draw conclusions without the whole show?
You can tag your take as star wars theory, but it's only that up to the point we get the whole story.
I love your content and I don't get why you take the part of the haters here. It's a a star wars show. From a cibematographic perspective, it's average, but it does not deserve the shit storm it got, especially because it's being judged without the whole thing.
It get it for the technical parts. We got enough to judge it. I don't get it for the story part though. Storytelling is average, but the whole concept can't be judged at this point, and certainly not to the extent it had been for several weeks.
Well first of all-They do imply it was relatively easy simply by showing that they were able to do it so young (especially compared to someone like Plagueis)
but more importantly, despite the Plagueis novel NOT being canon, it doesn’t change much, because we still have children being indirectly conceived by the force. Fairly SIMPLY. The Jedi also come to KNOW OF THEM and their origins, so why do they never…think anything of it?? This is 100 years before Anakin and they just…say nothing about it
Also, people gotta stop with the SW Theory hate. Fr. It’s just a nuisance
@@harrambou9468 Wouldn't the star wars equivalent of IVF allow the creation of the twins? Why is everyone assuming they created the twins out of nothing but the force?
@@harrambou9468 they never said they were only conceived with the force. We don't know if they had help or what happened. Everybody seem to assume they just shif on the lore but factually, we know nothing of the plot. Those conversations should have happened after the release of the whole show. If it was a movie, that would have been the case for instance. So that the whole thing could be discussed and judged. But now, it's a complete nightmare. The review bombing of the Acolyte probably puts into jeopardy the next SW shows.
I get it's not a absolute amazing show. People might not like it and that's fair. But this is harassment from a really loud minority. I would say to them, if you dot like it, don't watch it. But they do watch it and shi* on it. It's so sad.
By the way, the boys s4 is currently being review bombing too. The series might begin to be stale, but still it does not deserve the shi*storm it's getting. It's not only SW.
Castle of Flammable Stone
Really appreciate the shade thrown sp casually right there. 🔥 🪨
In a castle of flammable stone.... 😅
It’s actually not a betrayal of anything. Darth Plagueis could create life at will and none of his creations were ever the Chosen One. Prophecies don’t work like that. You can’t change fate when it’s already set in stone. Take a look at the Mortis Arc. Anakin saw his future and tried to change it and even though The Father erased his memory and said nothing was set in stone, that was clearly not true because it was always destined to happen no matter what.
Something that has not been considered is that the Force itself is considered a living entity. Perhaps the witches seemingly effortless success was more about purpose than knowledge. The motivation of the Sith was lust for power. The witches motivation is derived from love, hope and necessity. The Sith attempt to evoke ( compel) the Force , the witches invoke (invite) the force. The Force fled the assertion of the Sith and complied with invitation of the witches.
Except if this was the case, we would have seen the Jedi do it eons ago. Most of everything theyre capable a peaceful sect that cooperates with the force and allow it to speak to them. First we had "force healing", and now we have "willed virgin conception". Disney Star Wars is actively cannibalizing past lore in attempt to make their own bastard material
Well said.
It's infuriating how so many people are incapable of applying basic common sense to this show.
@@Wright805well said how you just interpret that the force automatically chooses love bcus sidious was greedy when has the force chose love and not balance another new gen cope forcing a established series to follow their fan fiction power of love
Well we all know what's going to happen Dave filoni once again we'll have to come in and save the Day
I truly believe that Dave filoni usually has to
I love how Stupes tried to stray away from non-lore Star Wars, but is now using lore to express how displeased he is... (perhaps I'm overshooting).
It’s really not such a big deal. Not trying to sound mean, but you’re making a lot of assumptions about the show when there’s not a lot of information to go off.
1. We don’t know the witches were dark side users. They just belong to a different religion than the Jedi/Sith.
2. We don’t know that the Force considered their efforts to be an affront. They did end up murdered because of the twins, however.
3. We don’t really know that the twins were created through the same way the Sith tried to create Anakin.
4. Whatever ritual they did produced twins; one light, one dark.
5. For all we know, their tiny cult could have been doing this for generations. Maybe that’s even how their secret sect reproduces? It doesn’t appear that their goal was to produce someone as powerful as Anakin, or to dominate the Force. They appear to respect it as much as the Jedi.
Basically, we take it on faith that everything the Jedi believe about the force is the only way to think of it. We don’t know that’s true at all. We’ve really only gotten the Jedi and Sith’s “two sides of the same coin” ideas until this point.
Finally! Someone with some sense. All of these outrage videos are jumping to conclusions. The only thing we know is the twins were “created. fair all we know, they are clones. More likely, they were created by dark magic like the resurrected stormtroopers in Ashoka.
Also, when was it decided that Anakin as the only being ever created by the Force? Some many people jumping to conclusions is tiring.
It's seems the star wars fans. Have become dogmatic in their beliefs.
The director has even said we'll see other points of view on the subject, these "fans" just don't have any patience for a complete story.
The power of many type comment.
The Acolyte is the child of people that not only hate Star Wars and its fan but also desired input of their own politics.
Easy lol idk that they hate Star Wars but they certainly don’t have the best bedside manner portraying their views
Not a fan of ep either but cmon, George did the same thing just understood the execution of it. Something I think Dave picked up on than hasn’t been picked up on this far by other Star Wars writers be-it because of politics or money
George tried to warn us!
Agreed, this show makes no sense.
This is what happens when you let interventionalists think they are artists
So are we just going to ignore that the witches are very likely exiled from Dathomir or some other dark side like planet? They had said that when they were doing there Ascension ritual thingy that this would be there first since they went into exile. And, who is to say that what happened according to Osha is the exact same as to what Mae believed had happened. They were exiled from somewhere and what is it to say that Plagueis was truly to first to figure out how to create life?
Just to tell you how the writting in Darth Plagueis is good. Well, Plagueis when wounded got back on a ship illegally. When confronted by the crew, he offered a choice which is a compensation for their troubles and more in exchange of staying anonymous and a way to get back home. Then the crew discided unknowingly of his true nature to take him as a prisoner then give him to the authorities. When the Captain confronted him again with a primed blaster in her holster Plaguies said ''Don't''. Again giving a choice to make a deal like a true Muun would do. But she ultimately sealed the fate of the entire crew by drawing her blaster against the wounded Sith Lord. Plaguies butchered them all and experiment on them as well. But the choice was an illusion because the Sith mastermind already carefully selected the inexperienced crew from the start and he knew the results were likely to end like this. This show his deception, cunning, skills, calculating origins as a Munn and how terrifying a wounded Sith Lord is in the eyes of the common folks. Truly a masterpiece.
Interesting
Imagine if Darth Vader had said, “The Thread is strong with this one…” while Chasing down Luke Skywalker.
To paraphrase GK Chesterton "A good story tells us the truth about its hero. A bad story tell us the truth about its author."
Its almost like no one in the comments have seen or read a murder mystery before and been tricked by it.
We're not even 1/3 the way in and so many commentors have taken the first bait already. Of COURSE it makes no sense!No where in the episode did it say these "twins" were made out of nothing by the Force like Anakin.
For the life of me I cannot understand how they are even being seriously compared at this point except for ambiguitous dialogue designed to make us immediately draw conclusions. Think about it. The "twins" hardly show a "Chosen Ones" affinity to the Force do they? No. In fact 1 dies as a child and the other fails to make Knight as an adult/teen. So what gives?
The showwriters sure did an apt job if making us see an easy connection though with that 1 line "created them". Maybe even to draw us off track? Consider it. It's too easy but we are used to easy in Star Wars. Point A to point B.
The path of least resistence almost is never the one that ends up being the right one in a Mystery story which is what this show was described as.
That's what makes a good/decent mystery story. The turns. Finding out which is a reliable source to go by. Which isn't.
Ep.3 was entirely from a flashback of a childs perspective. How reliable could that possibly be? Of COURSE the rock isn't flammible but through a childs eyes? Of course it was.
How many times does the showrunners have to tell us the viewer that nothing is as it seems and that our predictions won't be right before we listen and let the story play out before jumping to such MASSIVE conclusions as "Lore's been ruined. No walking it back NOW!", "Dis has killed the Chosen Ones importance!", "SW is dead!", "[Insert culturely bias opinion]", etc etc.
For crying out loud has anyone considered the possibility that the emotions we are all feeling right now were intended to cloud our judgement and keep us from using our analytical brains?
Let the story play out. I've seen/read plenty of bad mystery stories in my day but passing that judgement on them would have been impossible before the curtains fell on the Third Act...😮
I cant help but think they purposely changed the lore to get the massive reaction out of star wars fans. The ego does not care where the attention comes from, as long as it comes
You've formed an opinion, without evidence. This is supposition and assumption. The show is a murder mystery, nothing is what it seems. None of the memories are true.
You give them that much credit? HAHAH. It's a mockery of George Lucas's Star Wars. Nothing else.
This is a really good callout. Here's hoping for some sort of surprises in the next few episodes that somehow makes the show make more sense.
I think 3 episodes into this story really doesn't tell me much. Too early to speculate where the story is going.
Been a fan of the channel and of Star Wars for a long time.
I truly enjoy good story telling.
I’ve read most of the legends books/comics and enjoyed every Star Wars film/novelization.
I’m mostly upset because it’s just not a good time for Hollywood right now.
NOTHING Disney pumps out compares to what we could have had from George Lucas.
These witches couldn’t “accidentally Anakin”
These witches do not understand the force
Amazing video Stupendous Wave!
When George Lucas was running the show there was one vision behind it. You might have liked or not like what George Lucas did, which is fine. But everything Star Wars fitted together when he was in charge. Now that Disney runs the show all that is gone. Every time a new director or writer is in charge, they make it slightly different. And have enough of that, there is so much disonance, that it has become such a generic franchise, that makes more and more star-wars fans apathic towards a franchise they used to love.
That's exactly how it was for the first decade or more of the books... every author did new things and changed things, sometimes even contradicting or even invalidating previous books... I swear most people on these star wars CZcams channels have never read more than a couple books at most from legends
"... in a castle made of flammable stone."
That cracked me up!
I will add, maybe I am just dumb, but I did not actually interpret that line as they used the Force to make the twins. I assumed it was more like, they found a random guy, used him, and cast him away. When they said the twins didn't have a father, I assumed they meant that in a "he is not a part if their lives" way. So if they DID use the Force to make the twins, I agree with everything this video says.
"The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural."
"in a castle made of flamable stone" lmao
Was wondering if TSW was gonna stay out of the drama, and controversy, but I guess it could not be ignored even here 🤣
Well, he already said how much he hated the 3rd episode in a previous video.
This is the best explanation I’ve seen yet of why the acolyte makes no sense
I have to point out that the witches entire belief system is different than that as a sith, where Palageuis sought to dominate rhe force they likely only beseeched it for a life in general not of their own specific or malicious design. They know what palagueis only realized after years of failed experimentation noting equal and opposite reaction. Saying they dont understand the force also seem inaccurate to me. From what I've seen, they spoke of interconnectedness of all things through the thread aka the force and the importance of that connection. Seems to me everyone is commited to hating this on bias alone while we're only 3 episodes in and dont have any answers on any potential plot issues to know if our speculations are valid 🤷♂️ even Darth Bane saw the value of patience
Well said.
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Sike sike, I don't do that.
But hello!
Hello there
I'm not wasting my time with this stupid series. Do like me and read Star Wars: Darth Plagueis. Honestly, who did they make this series for?
For the woke population. And their own agenda.
i havent watch it and never will. they made this series because they knew their were stupid people that would watch it.
@@greenpegatrix3773you sound so dumb. Parroting out the same stupid talking points you hear from your favorite CZcamsrs. Boring. 🥱. Do you have any substantive criticism or it all just “that’s woke!!!”
@@greenpegatrix3773 i keep seeing people spouting about an agenda being forced but i genuinely dont see what is that supposed to be? are you upset because the main cast arent all white people or what?
@ash-kk7il That I don't care about. In fact, I just say a trailer today that had little to no whites in it that I looking forward to see. No, my advice is to take a step back and see the big picture.
I don't see a problem, plaguE would have based his research on something and why not them. I do not see the twins as anakin like so much as a much more slight manipulation of the force to fertilize eggs rather than outright creating life. Plus having a few similar amazing things happen throughout an ancient universe, rather than only a select few characters do amazing crap, makes the universe feel more realistic. Not to mention this makes anakid feel slightly less like space jesus that turned evil and more like just a powerful chosen one, the space jebus connection always bugged me we have too much xian bs in our world as is I don't need extra in my scifi fantasy type shows.
"Some how Palpatine Returned" is all you need to know about Disney Star wars