The Most Common Rune And Build Mistake That Is Costing You LP
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Learning how to change my play styles to match the builds was a big learning moment for me. It also allowed me to change my rune setups for myself and have a mental connection to how it should affect the way I play.
It also allows you to gauge the builds effectiveness properly!
It always tilts me beyond belief when people, especially those who have been playing a while, still do not know the runes, do not know the items. They have a "program" that automatically makes the runes for them. Like, 30% of the game relies directly on your runes and itemization because it heavily affects your playstyle. Even worse, you have runes that you have no idea what they are or what they do and you cannot utilize them accordingly.
It's even more insane when those kinds of players are the ones complaining about how they cannot climb, how it's always their team's fault, when they literally begin the games with a handicap and are not able to abuse 100% of their champion's kit.
It's baffling to me that even after all these years and all these countless guides, people not only do not understand the importance of runes and items (and playstyle, of course), but also a lot of them don't even know what they do.
riots rune removal made this worse
I'm not sure you understand just how many champions there are in the game or the number of possibly rune setups that exist. It takes a lot of champion mastery to adjust runes on a specific champion for each specific game. There is absolutely nothing wrong with looking at the most common setups amongst challenger players, or even for a safe default on a champion you don't have much experience with yet.
PS: Your rune setup doesn't mean shit when half your team is running it down and can't handle game fundamentals. Seriously, even top level players who are good enough to hard carry 80%+ of their games still occasionally lose because their teams are just that fucking bad.
@@yGKeKe I don't disagree with your PS, but I consider myself being at the skill level I currently am simply because I'm able to optimize (or nearly optimize) runes and items based on matchup, team comps and possible game states. Of course, it won't always matter, of course there will be games where all 5 enemies will have wrong runes, all your teammates will have correct ones and you will still lose, but that's besides the point.
The point is that most people don't care about runes / items. They don't read what each rune / item does, they don't care. They find the easy solution of copying a rune page and build path and that's it, and it ends up making them play to the 90% of their power instead of 100%. I never said you need to know beforehand the specific rune/item setup for every single matchup, but you should be able to put some thought into it on your own and understand on the spot what's best. Or, when there is a patch change that tweaks Scorch for example, you need to be able to identify how impactful the change is and if you should pick it more often now.
I also look up runes and items to see what's more successful because obviously I cannot always know what's more effective, but more often than not, I create my own rune pages and itemization that fits my playstyle, because I have put thought into it and know what's best. You can call it me being high IQ or whatever, it doesn't matter; the thing is that I put in the time to learn and understand, and most of the people who complain about being unable to climb have not.
Also, that's why most pros / coaches advise you only play 2-3 champions. That's how you master their mechanics, but also their rune setups and build paths.
@@yGKeKe Indeed, but you forget that the reason they hard carry 80%+ of their games is because they pay attention to details such as runes, small item/combo optimisation which make the difference between excellent players. For your first paragraph I somewhat agree, I would say it's better to copy/look into top builds/runes from other players in ranked specifically when you're new on a champ. However, this often induces the laziness to actually think WHY and WHEN you pick them, like a calculator in maths or a GPS in real life.
Bro even pro players can’t itemize/rune properly.
Always a treat when Curtis comes out with a video, I think I've watched almost everything you've put over the past couple years! Cheers!
Great video. Thank you for articulating this, it has been a subconscious idea for me for a long time, but never thought about it in this specific way. Thanks again
First time I was waking up to this concept was experimenting between summoner's aery and phase rush Orianna. Definitely takes just a bit of mental prep of how to play the lane/teamfights
100%, I've seen way too many Orianna's take PR but play like they have Aery and vice-versa
Really good advice. thanks for the video
It's like this for adc. People dont take cut down vs tank teams or green secondaries vs assassins.
bone plating is a shit rune and resolve will curb your scaling. take exhaust.
@@maruseron true
I love this video’s concept about synergising the four areas and how they alter champion identity when you go for a completely different set up outside the norm. I found this video after having already changed the identities of a few champions into a play style I really enjoy.
For example I changed Diana from her typical Conqueror + AP set up into Phase Rush + Critical/AS in the jungle. This turned her from the AP bruiser everyone knows her as, into a brutal crit assassin that takes pleasure in beating you down and knowing you can’t escape her grasp. I’ve dominated most of my matches with her in this new identity because no one knows how to handle it right.
I’ve also changed the identity of Naafiri, the newest champion in league, into being a brutal powerhouse in most of the lanes. With three rune sets and 12 item builds to complement them, I’ve taken her from a feared mid laner/jungler, into even being a devastating kill lane/roaming support that can keep up in damage even into the late game. She loses none of her kill potential while her builds I’ve made grant her an astounding amount of utility so she remains useful even if she’s behind.
One I found on accident, because I forgot to change my runes in champ select is Phase Rush Leona (I accidentally took my Diana runes and was dreading the match at first). This accident was a happy one, as I lost none of my ability to build her as a tank, but it also vastly opened up roam potential, allowing me to become River Leona, and my team snowballed incredibly hard with my increased map presence between levels 6-9(it also helps I have her at M7 and know her inner workings well enough to compensate for my lack of attention).
These are but a few I’ve found that I wanted to share. To show that you’re 1,000% correct about synergy between runes, items, play style, and the odd occasion of summoner spells making the biggest difference of them all (and they are important. You don’t want to take Cleanse/TP as Leona unless you absolutely know how it’ll help your lane. But you can get away with taking exhaust or ignite alongside flash a lot easier since 99% matchups require one or the other.)
What you say seems obvious after listening but I really needed someone to lay it out like this, it was super helpful. Thanks Coach!
Sometimes the obvious things go over looked! No problem mate
Holy crap, my guy putting S teir videos out for free. I legit don't think about stuff as much as I used to, bringing me back down to earth mate.
what i love about your videos is how dapatable to other lanes this is
also would be really cool if you could do a video on off meta mids/builds that you think have potential
I remember one of the 2-3 your videos that took me to D4 in season 9.
It was a 2+h video about itemization.
Would you please consider doing an itemization long and detailed video in these days?
New items are kinda messy. The logic behind items before the mythic/legendary shit was pretty linear. There was a linear line of thought and being wrong was rare.
I remember I could think at my build and suggesting items to my 4 teamm8s (in flexQ) in call in a bunch of seconds.
Now I struggle doing that kind of stuff.
It FEELS all meta-dependent. I mean, with human logic I wouldn't ever think about building Blade of the ruined king on Renekton. But it works. It works great. It works and you do it when you are updated and some korean dude tried it and it worked.
I'm not saying that i'm the silver guy that does not know what to build. I'm saying that I have to double/triple check and checking at least 10 games of 3-4 master+ players on u.gg before being sure that there aren't more good choices.
I can look into this for Season 13 just to make sure there isn't any significant item changes in the pre season
As a sylas main can you elaborate on how to play first strike sylas different than conqueror sylas? thats the one thing that was sadly missing/outdated from your sylas guide
This is something which I don't think about enough. Thanks Curtis
No problem!
Hey, so you stopped the viktor v syndra at a cliff hanger!!!?
Love the content man, been learning a lot.
I only play jayce, and he's one of those picks where you really need to know when to pick runes over others, especially matchup specific. Like for lane control early against an irelia for example, you need conq or first strike. If you go phase rush, she's going to dumpster you even with a massive slowpush. Anyway, loved the vid!
hey that's me on Viktor in the first clip haha,
yeah i take d-ring pretty much every game nowadays as corrupting got nerfed and d-ring buffed, even in heavy trading matchups like this one. It feels better imo.
It's the same as People playing MF support but it was only good vS zyra in pro play it frustrates me so much that they just copy stuff but don't know how to use it. Thank you for telling People this hopefully this wil fix some random Common picks in soloq
this is why i, as a gold 4 player, feel like sticking to the same runes and generally same core items work better for climbing in low elo, since you have less variables to account for
Sure, this is the best thing to do... if you want to stay in gold forever.
@@maciejmalewicz9123 well, almost gold 2 now with a 70% wr on my main champ so i guess youd be wrong
I think that’s good you’re finding progress in that play style! Just at some point you will be road blocked and will need to switch your perspective on how you see and play the game though
@@andrewpacheco449 ofc ill switch it up once i feel like i REALLY know the numbers, but until my core build needs to change between games for me to win i wont bother playing a better build that im worse at if that makes sense
Great video! any chance we can get a toplane foundamentals videos too?
Unfortunately I'm sticking to mid content!
Ily Curtis, I'm 26 myself and dont even really play league anymore but will always watch or listen to your new uploads because of how well you are able to communicate your ideas and lessons. cheers from Texas
could you do another viktor guide/cassio/yone guide
Great content I'm really getting into mid lane more with your videos, I'm recently switching from ADC to midlane, i currently play Irelia, are there any other champs who have similar identity to her ? I'm thinking about sylas maybe
I play Irelia top so I'm not the best reference, but here's some ideas:
• LeBlanc is an assassin rather than a fighter/diver, but the idea of comboing your abilities and picking when to go in is similar.
• Sylas is a good time
• Have you tried Akali, Ahri, or Yas/Yone?
@@RTB1400 thank you very much, I've tried them out aside from yas and ahri but the issue is that i loved the high speed playstyle of irelia, i can legit hang back closer to my tower and force an all in pretty much at almost every wave, while being so easy to farm with, i don't seem to find any champion with similar identity, i'm considering something like pantehon for the moment
Which rune keeps droolers from being on the team?
thank you
Took me a while to adapt to first strike GP from grasp GP
i guess one of the best example for your video is unsealed spellbook. whenever some otps for example take that mastery on their champ (with the knowledge how to use/abuse it) in master+ and the champ has a lowpickrate in generall you can see the copy mechanics from 3rd party programms like porofessor blitz etc. and you can see aswell that the copycats never even used neither did they understand the purpose of this rune.
Another good example was the baus sion hype when he played in korea . everyone copied his lethality build without copying his playstyle. result was a wave of new sion player inting on every elo without the benefits.
"I'm getting old" , was about to relate .. but you hurt me CC... aging is the opposite of broken by concept. real balance of experience trading for reflex . micro for macro
Great video, as always. I hope this helps ppl a bit with understanding with setups. However i disagree with summs choosing. Imo if you're forcing early on with Aery and stuff, Ignite is way better cauz of pressure and ofc it just gives an edge on the lane. Ignite is the tool for 1s blood at 3rd minute mark, countless times i did that. TP is better for those pve match ups, in match ups, where i expect more farming rather than aggressive trading.
nah thats not how tp is used in mid
@@lefroste6370 So if we have to go deeper, i have no problem explaining why you're wrong.
So imagine this scenario Curtis showed (Syndra vs Victor), both pretty equal, both getting low, imagine Syndra instead of TP had Ignite. Victor wants to shove wave, recall and TP back to lane right? What Syndra can do? She literally have an edge on the lane and have multiple options, either keep Victor on lane (denying his recall), baiting him and finishing him in case he gets baited, or shove the wave and recall (and letting Victor finishing wave aswell).
Anyway, at that point, it's Syndra who has edge on the lane only thanks to that little detail. And she can dictate how that lane will look...
I disagree. Ignite is useless on mages. More often than not, you never really get in range to use it, and really you shouldn't. Of course, it's good on things like Talon, Zed etc, but more mages specifically, TP will grant more money and xp in the long run than what Ignite will provide for you.
@@lolMidroid But Viktor can recall and be full HP and Mana, will Syndra sits in lane with Ignite and 150HP...
@@lolMidroid not even gonna read,if you watch curtis you will fully understand what tp is used for,theres no arguing with it
complete masterclass of a video
Appreciate that man
viktor vs syndra, if you want to heavy trade, why would you go cookies instead of 2nd wind? 2nd wind is sustain while cookies are just for your mana
Cookies are 8% missing health and mana
that's right. that's why i am against these app rune and etc setup automatically for players. they don;t know how to play even with the auto setup runes. like liliah adc with cormet. LMAO. or the phase rush jungler nunu teammate that doesnt even gank a lane. the difference in runes setups and etc can be easily tried in normal games and i totally agree it's a game changer when even 1 of the small one is wrong you can see the difference.
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Hi Coach
27 is ancient?! 😭 I must be pre-big bang.
No shit, I'm 38.
@@dickwallace8567 39 here 😭 we boomers man.
@@gunwise7079 👴
anciant with 27? so am I a dino with 38? :D :D
This was 4 months ago so I probably won't get a response but can you help me explain tempo to someone?
Scorch vs Syndra on Viktor? Like you lose the lane anyway unless you are better, in both cases gathering storm is better than scorch. On Viktor vs Yone, if Yone goes second wind d shield you cannot poke him out so just go gathering storm since if he doesn't go those 2 things you win anyway and if he does you can't win. Also phase rush has been forgotten on mages, aery can be used but it really doesn't do a lot of damage meanwhile phase rush can and will save and get you an extra auto or so. I love it vs things like Trundle you can just run away. Viktor vs Corki I think is good for first strike since if he goes defensive, you can't poke him out so just farm him and get your mythic faster to have a chance to break him but if he doesn't then you win anyway and with a fast mythic he can't walk up. If you build deathcap or infinity edge, you go gathering storm.
The reason people take scorch in that way is to go even. The idea is that if you take gathering storm then your going to get even more fisted in the laning phase. Taking scorch allows you to go even in lane and eventually out scale the syndra.
@@robbierotten3123 but why do you need to be even? Is the 5 extra cs really going to be of more value than getting a needlesly for free? You need to define what is winning since if I have gathering and my opponent has scorch and I am slightly 'behind' in cs or whatever, I am actually winning since I will still be stronger anyway. Same thing for ADCs taking cookies except mages go sorcery usually so you can get away with cookies. Like if you are Viktor vs Lucian ok maybe scorch is viable.
Scorch in Viktor v Syndra is a way to balance out the lane a bit. Syndra is much stronger early because of shorter cooldowns and bigger range (thus better trading, better waveclear) therefore Viktor definitely loses lane if both players play at the same level. Scorch will make it so that you at least are able to trade back a bit, so that even if you have lower HP, you are at least bring Syndra down to an HP threshold where she is vulnerable to a gank, so she also has to be a bit more careful with her trades. That extra 80 damage you get from Scorch until level 3 can be huge in that situation. Also, it does deal quite significant damage before 10 minutes. It's overtime damage, but it's still there and it can potentially grant you kills (or minion/xp advantage) in situations that wouldn't be granted otherwise, and that means that you get access to an Amp Tome that you wouldn't before (Amp Tome = GS value at 20 minutes), or you create an advantage, which basically translates into GS value as well.
In a meta where games are generally decided before 20 minutes, it's best to just have the most agency in the game, thus Aery and Scorch being the best right now. Of course, if playing 5v5 flex or clash where you can communicate with your friends and control the pace of the game, you can definitely create a plan where GS works wonders, where you can also go Phase Rush as well etc. But at this very moment, the damage that Aery and Scorch combined grant for Viktor is huge. It ties in perfectly with your E cooldown, it basically makes the laser deal 30% more damage early.
Scorch vs. Syndra for sure. You need it to relieve pressure, especially since Scorch buffs.
Viktor vs. Yone is a different story though.
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Okay obvi I'm here for learning League stuff and love your vids...but damn you're cute too haha. :p
the title and the video don't connect fast enough for me
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will you ever make adc content? or recommend any other adc education channels? your prolly the best youtube lol education channel
I won't mate. I'd recommend maybe Arrow. I believe Arrow has some decent ADC videos.
@@CoachCurtis thanks dawg!!~~~!!~!~
Why would he make adc vids when he is a career mid laner? Thats like asking a Wide Reciever to make educational content on how to be a Quarterback
Bro Doublelift is 30.
Man I'm turning 35 on Friday, don't complain about your age, it makes me look like an eldery person xD
Hahaha sorry mate
@@CoachCurtis Hahaha :)
I like how 27 year old kid is telling us gaming boomers about who is ancient in gaming industry :D
The whole point at around 9:09 is very prevalent in EUW, everybody loves to copy Thebausffs, thinking inting on Sion is funny and acceptable, you hold Tab you see countless deaths yet 6 CS per minute, the player didn't watch content from the streamer they're jacking the ideas from, otherwise they would know that if you don't have 10-11 CS per minute, you are just fucking the game.
Inting on Sion is very easy, playing inting Sion is surprisingly hard.
It's not about how you "feel" playing the match-up. It's about what the champions want to accomplish in the game and what is the optimal way of getting to that point. It doesn't matter if you. Cookies are inexcusable if your champion relies on getting powerspike items. In that case, the most optimal path to those items is Future's market, because the powerspike you get from these "core/power" items is infinitely more valuable than the dept you go for those items and "cookeis-scorch feels nice".
But how do you know that your champion relies on getting powerspike items and other champion does not?
Lol
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Not watched video yet but remember to go gathering storm every game then the rest is kinda whatever best rune in the game infinite stats is op
Unless you lose the early game and get trampled before it even becomes useful.
@@wolverineftw Nah since if you get shit on scorch is useless and gathering at least gives you some hope
Nope. Even though I love Gathering Storm and the safety net if provides if the game goes late, Scorch is much better on most champions. Games are decided by the 15 minute mark. One team has a big advantage, one player is super ahead and 1v9s, the other team is tilting and flaming the jungler. All you gotta do is have the tools to enable your team to be the one with the advantage.
If your whole gameplan revolves around staying safe until 30 minutes and then my GS will pop off, then I have some bad news, unless you are in silver, where games actually go to 40 minutes.
i did the maths ,all the secondary runes are actually balanced,gathering storm gives you the same amount of gold value as treasure hunter,free boots and biscuits/futures market, or scorch at more or less the same exact timeframes,choosing between them is a matter of deciding which of them work well with your champ and whether you need to spike early or a little late ,the downsides of gathering storm is that the other runes come online earlier than gathering storm ,but gathering storm becomes better only marginally at the 30 minute mark,and you get about 40 more ap at 40 minute mark,for example treasure hunter gives 550 gold at 5 stacks,which is equivalent to about 30 AP in gold value,if you finish treasure hunter at the 10 minute mark as a jungler lets say,gathering storm would take 20 minutes to get 24 AP so double the time,so this is where the champions,roles and playstyles matter,if there's no way in hell you will max out your treasure hunter before 20 minutes,say you're playing Top or ADC,then gathering storm might be better
now one might think "meh,i think that the scaling on gathering storm is op because it's always conssitent and at the 30 minute mark it turbo spikes especially with rabadon!" which begs the question,do you value AP that is equivalent to about 800 gold at the 30 minute mark ,where pretty much all the important decisions have been made and the team that made better decisions are basically reaping the benefits of them winning the early game? you might as well be hitting their nexus at the 30 minute mark,will the blasting wand help you pentakill the enemy team when your entire team is behind 5k gold? if gathering storm gave 200 ap at the 40 minute mark,i still wouldn't go gathering storm because the game is already over,but if you get an amplifying tome that will stick with you from the 8 minute mark til the end of the game,that is 10x more damage and value acquired from it over time, vs a 40 AP that i will only possibly use for 5 minutes ,and that's assuming the game goes past 30 minutes,and it still wont affect the game that much
When you realize league is dying😂
Play style is a joke
nothing is costing us lp more than the matchmaking system is rigged
The match making system is rigged so that the best players climb ranks and the others do not. If you can't climb that's a skill issue not the game's fault.
@@coolbrotherf127 idk man i love my bot lane to be 3/15 by 15 minx almost every game. mostly hilarious its when bot is 2v2 without any of the jungler camping or ganking them. Ma faouvirte i had reksai jungle vs zac both start red on blues isde for rek aka my team and zec on enemy on blue side both double leash. at the end both do full clear. zac managed to gank top while reksai just barely running towards top scuttke after finishing his gromp. how in the world reksai have slower full clear than zac's full clear ? like today i have kayn enemy jungle cmaping my top lane literally for 3 straght minutes without killing me wasting time and my viego useless jungle doing nothing, aka not ivading or ganking other lanes. very hard to carry as top laner like myself when 3 of your teammates constantly troll. int and feed even when i help them.
@@Kalinskiya yes riot is out to get you,they hate you they are living in your walls
wrong place to say this ;)
@@prodromosx07 yeah I was about to reply to him and say that too he just gonna get trolled lmao
Don't say that pls 🥲 27 is not THAT old... (crying internally because I too will turn 27 this year..👴)