Dear High School + College Basketball. Change This Rule NOW
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 30. 09. 2022
- FIBA changed their travelling rules (allowed a gather step) in 2018. Now HS and College Basketball needs to do the same.
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In each of the highlights, a travel was never called. Officials have already adapted to the speed and skill of the present day game. Yes, it needs to change 'officially' in the rulebook, but it begs the question, is traveling being called regularly where it has become an issue at lower levels? From your video evidence, clearly not.
Taking an extra step isnt skill
@@dm7744 makes the game more fun to play and watch
@@fovo8470 That shit make it harder to defend to. Y'all usually forget this side of the problem, tryna boost the attacking options but not the defense then
@@forest7420 yeah I feel like they need to make it a bit easier for defenders to defend in ways that donât involve flopping or exaggerating movements.
@@dm7744 none of those girls took an extra step. The gather rule in the NBA is trash though. they're making scoring too easy
The NBA cares about high scoring games today. That's why they've changed the rules. Higher scoring means more entertainment means more money for revenue from sponsors. They've killed the big man game where the final score sometimes would be 75-63, no that the score during halftine these days.
Nahh it makes more sense
It says that High School/College Basketball needs to change this rule, not the NBA, however you are right.
High paced occured in the 70-80s as well. The entertainment value from games today is the pace and space style with high emphasis on three point shooting not necessarily from a bigger box score
Oh look! A claim with no evidence to back it up đ
Actually makes the game less interesting.
Spot on coach! I noticed this as a problem a few weeks back!
Thank you so much for posting your videos I recently found out about this channel and Iâve already learned so much this is all helping me be better then I already am. Thank you đ
Hey, make a video on pick and roll, against different defenses, how to set it up, what roll to use, etc.
My one objection to this is that most of these moves can still be done without traveling according to these rules if you just use different pick up methods and timing.
For example, the swing step is almost always a travel in NCAA rules unless you do a single hand over top of the ball pick up to give time for your non swinging foot to leave the ground to avoid being the unintentional pivot. Same thing for a spin move - just use a single hand spin dribble and pick up the ball with the other hand after you get your intended pivot down.
I will admit that some of the dunks are really hard to overcome according to these rules because you kinda have to two hand gather on a two legged dunk usually.
yeah so how would you dunk?
I play at the D3 level, so our rules are the same as D1 and D2. Last season, my coach had us watch the official training videos and they added the gather step to the rule book.
I just read the NCAA Menâs Basketball RuleBook for 2021-22: www.quickscores.com/downloads/ftmeadesports_20212022_NCAA_Mens_Basketball_Rulebook.pdf
And there was no rule change for the gather step.
@@CoachFrikki The gather step rule was added unofficially for the league I play in. It is not considered a violation if you do it. Idk if it was officially added but more schools and colleges should definetely add it.
ur probably thinking bout the "gather step" as the "gather-1-2" rule, but theyre different
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These moves would be legal in my Middle School league. You get one step, then your pivot. Off your pivot, you can take another step, as long as your pivot foot doesn't touch the ground again, until you get rid of the ball. I don't think it changes to High School.
they really need to do something about it, high school basketball and collegeball still reminds us of the good old days, it doesn't have to be the NBA.
nah thats different from HS
your school essentially uses the "2 step" rule, like the NBA and FIBA
College and HS uses the "1 step from pivot" rule
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Iâve noticed most refs let euro steps go but not stepbacks from the 3 , they needa just have the same rules as nba
Yup, if you Euro at the high school level you're usually good unless you have a super anal ref, but if you do a step back you're cooked.
coach frikki, your a great basketball coach whoâs helped me a lot. i do have to say that your wrong about this one though. the reasons most of these plays arenât travels is because of when they gather the ball. in most of the clips what you called the first step was before they gathered the ball. what i mean by gathering is both hands on the ball, hand under the ball, or palming it. the steps arenât counted until they have gathered the ball. if the ball is moving freely below their hand they can take as many steps as they want, and then have their 2 steps. hope you understand.
According to the rulebook every single play in the video is a travel except for Tatum at 0:58.
I know that the gather step shouldn't be counted. But it is counted in the HS/College rulebook, which is why it needs to change.
Coach is correct, you donât get a gather step in HS or NCAA.
Any foot that is on the floor when you end the dribble is supposed to count towards your 2 steps/pivot foot status.
Issue is even this rule is applied inconsistently because itâs a dumb rule.
@@WeMissDimebag the debate iâm making it when he ends the dribble. the dribble ends when the ball is gathered with 2 hands palmed or your hand is under the ball.
@@CoachFrikki the gather step is an extra step when gathering the ball. the debate iâm making is when the ball is gathered. nba players get that step right after they gather the ball. but in the hs clips theyâre first step they didnât gather the ball yet itâs still a live dribble. thatâs the debate iâm making.
@@redditade7403 he knows, hes just trying to explain to you that high school doesnt allow gather steps (it is illegal and counts as a step, even step backs get called), but college is starting to slowly implement it
Please do how to add more spin on a layup or how to hook
Great video again Coach!
I'd like to see a video similar to this one that tackles contentious rules that always cause arguments in pickup and that even refs sometimes get wrong. Oftentimes because the rule is different in different leagues.
A few examples:
1) Catching your own air ball: NBA= travel. Other leagues = legal (provided that the ref believes it was a legitimate shot attempt)
2) The good old step through where you lift your pivot before shooting or passing. People incorrectly think you can only lift your pivot while jumping off both feet at the same time. However you're actually allowed to lift your pivot WHILE your non-pivot is still on the ground as long as you shoot or pass before your pivot makes contact with the ground again. It may look like an extra step but it's legal in all leagues.
czcams.com/users/clipUgkxHTM6R-ynwKS26PwIwHhQnHzJ-WfXdiNP
3) Recovering a fumble is always legal, even if it was during a shot attempt, or during while trying to gather after dribbling. For example if you're dribbling and try to grab the ball with both hands but it slips you can still recover it (even if it you had touched the ball with both hands). You can even recover a fumble if it requires that you take several steps and would otherwise be a travel. However if you had to displace your pivot to recover the ball you may no longer pivot after recovering it. Obviously the ref determines whether it was a legitimate fumble (as opposed to someone pretending to fumble to gain an advantage). Same in all leagues?
videorulebook.nba.com/archive/legal-play-player-fumbles-ball-into-air-and-recovers-it/
4) Alley-ooping to yourself off the backboard: I think this is legal in the nba. Not sure about the other leagues.
5) Ball bouncing on the side or top of the backboard (multiple times or even rolling on the top of the backboard) and then eventually falling back towards the inbound side: Inbound in all leagues?
6) Ball crossing over the backboard: always a out-of-bounds even if the ball didn't touch any of the supporting infrastructure.
7) Shooting the ball from behind the backboard. I think generally this is generally not allowed but might depend on the league? Maybe it's ok if the ball never travels "directly" behind the backboard
8) You're out of bounds and right before receiving a pass you're able to establish one foot inbounds. The other foot is still in the air. I think you're considered inbounds at this point. You don't need both feet to be inbounds.
forum.officiating.com/basketball/23859-how-many-feet-establish.html
9) Saving the ball from going out of bounds and in the process stepping out due to your momentum. Then coming back inbounds and being the first to touch the ball. I think this is ok
10) Stepping out of bounds while dribbling the ball (but not while in in contact with the ball). This maybe be legal if you stepped out of bounds to avoid contact but wouldn't be legal if it was to gain an advantage?
11) Blocked shot: If both the shooter and the defender are in contact with the ball the whole time it's a jump ball. If the defender doesn't make contact with the ball the whole time but the shooter does it's a travel. If the shooter releases the ball (even for a split second) during the block, and grabs it back immediately, it's a new possession.
12) After gathering your dribble the ball makes contact with your defender unintentionally or intentionally (e.g. your moving with both hands and it incidentally makes contact with the defender and you drop it and grab it back immediately. Or you intentionally throw the ball on the opponents legs, back or head). Do you get a second dribble? In the NBA, for the unintentional case you definitely get a second dribble. In the intentional case it's unclear but you probably get a second dribble as well:
NBA Rule 10 Section II: "A player may dribble a second time if he lost control of the ball because of: 2. An opponent touching the ball"
It's not clear whether "lost control" includes the intentional case but I would argue that it does since you can't predict how the ball will bounce off an opponent, hence you lost control of the ball the moment it touched them, even if you intentionally threw it at them. However a foul will be called if the action is considered "unsportsmanlike" (Judgement call by the ref).
I'm sure there are more!
Maybe consider doing it in a tier list format (most to least common misconceptions)
This one would be a real challenge but man would it helpful to have a single resource to point people to. You have the power to potentially
single-handedly put an end to (or at least drastically reduce) recurring pickup disputes that never get resolved đ.
Thank you for putting the work into this comment this really helped me understand some of the rules and the complicated things of this great sport
gather step in most of yours exemple (not the first one 0:40 wich leed to dunk for instance) is a good point (about 0,05 sec between the last dribble and the first step that's just common sens to allow it, we need to put in in slow motion to see the travel ) but in the way that it is
actualy use in the NBA , and regrettably now in the euroleague and fiba , gather step is unfair, players use it like an extra step, even sometimes they took more than 3 step an it's benefits attack a lot , especially for players like giannis etc..
gather step is not new. it just wasnt common in a normal dribble but happens way more often during a fast break when players are running full speed across the court it is humanly impossible to take just 2 steps without slowing down which defeats the purpose of fast breaks.
refs only starts counting when player gains ball possession, not the moment the fingertip touches the ball.
â@@TomatoTomato911 it's relativly new in europe basketball. i understand the idee of not slowing down the fast break when there is no one between you and the basket , no probleme with that , but it sometimes it 's use as a extra step for harden or giannis eurostep or during a fake pass on defender when the players going on his lay up
yes that's the point of deesagrement , when did the players gains ball possession ? i guess it's when the players grabs it with his two hand ? so during this time laps (between last dribble and ball captation) is the players allowed to make any step he want ? ? does it not over advantage the attaque ?
some exemple here if you want, more spĂ©cifically 1:18-1:32 it's a french vidĂ©o but there is no need of translation đ czcams.com/video/1zDhM2hAU3g/video.html
@@andone2950 Those layups at 1:18 in the French video are 100% travels.
@@andone2950 in fiba it is actually allowed before the rule change. changing the rule takes many years so they finally made it explicit about the gather step. before that it was the norm to give the player 1 gather step, but if you go by the rule text you can actually have no limits on gather steps as long as the dribble is live (excluding palming) because the rule states dribble ended when ball comes to a rest on the player. Fiba just made it clearer than nba to avoid confusion because in NBA you can actually take few gather steps and end up with 5 steps after the last dribble and not get called, it isnt the ref error because the rule did not limit the number of gather steps a player can take before his dribble ended.
as for ball possession it is always at the discreet of the refs. if refs see player gained control of the ball whichever foot on the ground is the pivot.
in fiba a player can grab his own airball, but ref needs to agree it was a shot attempt, not a pass etc.
if i start a dribble by throwing the ball to an empty place or error in passing and runs to the ball and touch it, it can either be a dribble or a self pass, so refs have to decide whether to let it go or call a violation. usually they let it go if player did not use up his dribble.
go look up older nba/fiba footage. gather step whether receiving a ball or after a dribble has always been there, just not as obvious. even michael jordan uses it quite often.
@@andone2950 yes, the player can have unlimited steps during that time period
any steps before or during the ball gather -> not counted
any steps after the ball gather -> counted
in nfhs the rule is the same as nba and fiba, dribble ends when the ball comes to a rest on player's hand, not when player touches the ball after a dribble. ball comes to a rest when the player carry, hold, grab, palm the ball. go to officiating forums officials would allow 1 gather step just like fiba and nba as long as the ball never comes to a rest during the gather step.
The NFHS rule is not the same as NBA and FIBA. I agree with you when the dribble ends. But the "gather step" gets counted as step 1 in high school even if the dribble ends after the step.
not its not about when the dribble ends, ita about how the steps are counted after
NBA and FIBA -> 2 steps after the gather
hs and college -> 1 step after the pivot is established
@@wat4504 so when does pivot foot eatablish? when dribble has ended?
@@CoachFrikki if that is the case then most gather -> hop move would be illegal. also i dont know if rule updated but technically theres no limit on howany gather steps one can take in the rule at least nba, but rule of thumb is player is only allowed 1 gather/zero step irregardless if dribble ended.
also it cam be misleading to say 2 steps allowed after gather because if the player ended the dribble during the gather step it becomes the pivot foot and 1 step off non pivot is allowed.
â@@TomatoTomato911 For all leagues, dribble is ended through 2 main ways:
1. Touching with both hands
2. Putting a hand under the ball
Pivot isnt simple, but one difference between leagues is when::
1. Hs and college -> The foot on the ground when you end your dribble is the pivot
2. NBA and FIBA -> The next step after ending your dribble is the pivot (usually)
"gather -> hop move would be illegal"
nah cuz hs and college have some additional rules to allow those moves
"theres no limit on howany gather steps"
Yep, theres you can take unlimited steps before ending your dribble
What's good Coach frikki can you do a tutorial on create space for yourself? Thanks!
Not all FIBA are the same. Here in Brazil we follow something similar to the college bc the refs created the â0 stepâ (something that doesnât exist). My idea is to make it like soccer (1 thing in the whole world) and change fiba shot clock at the Hs and college levels bc 24 is too little for people who are developing.
Is it always 24 at those levels? I'm in America and the shot clock is 35 afaik for high school, with college level being 30.
Nah 24 sec is fine for high school and up
@@KiraDaBeastNY in Brazil it is
sim mano, fora q eu vejo muito mlq usando o passo 0 aqui, até eu comecei a usar pq nos meus jogos na federa eles nao tão dando andada não, ent ja to implementando no meu jogo aqls euro, reverse euro com step 0
@@leonardoluigi927 esse não é o argumento, 0 step nunca existiu. A regra sempre foi assim, a interpretação foi que mudou junto com a capacidade atlética e técnica dos jogadores. A criação do 0 step nada mais é do que uma grande ginåstica mental amparada numa preguiça gigantesca.
For the algorithm
I still miss the old music haha
Can u make a video on how to create space for (3) pointers
A little more documentation is needed here about how steps are counted after the pivot foot is established before a traveling violation occurs. Just because the pivot foot has been established doesn't necessarily mean that these are all traveling violations.
Travels occur when you lift the pivot and return it to the floor (the rulebook way of "counting steps") Which is what happened in all the clips.
HS and college allow 1 step after establishing the pivot, which means all labeled travels in the vid are correctly called as travel by coach frikki
tf are u talking about
fr they need to make it legal for all levels
Can you plz make a fade away breakdowns video showing all fade aways
watch kobe fade away
NBA has been ignoring their rules for decades just to make the game more entertaining, watching back games years ago the officiating was somewhat strict compared to today's it interrupted the game so much. At the end of the day, it's a business first operation, the players are happy to play more freely while getting paid, so it's a win-win for them, who cares about us fans and viewers lmao, they never did no matter how much they pretend to
Bro what?
"has been ignoring their rules"
nah that just how u wanna think to exaggerate it
I thought u always had 1/2 - 2 steps after picking up dribble.. I can understand if youâre stationary but not with an active dribble⊠Iâm confused.. đ€Šđżââïž
In the NBA and FIBA, you get 2 steps after picking uo the dribble
In HS and college, if you pick up the dribble while:
your foot/feet is on the ground -> you get a step
no feet on the ground -> you get 2 steps
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Isn't the gather, you have to have two hands on the ball? One dribble with ones hand, as long as you don't carry and the ball sticks to that hand, you can have as many steps as you can.
Yes. But in high school / college as soon as the dribble ends (both hands on the ball, ball pinned against the body or hand goes under the ball) that foot that is already on the ground counts as step 1. While it counts as step 0 in NBA / FIBA.
thats how the NBA and FIBA work, different from the hs and college rules that the vid is talking about
I totally agree that high school players should have gather steps. Refs need to stop officiating different levels do differently from each other. Letâs just officiate the game of basketball.
gather step is legal. but still a travel if you grab/carry/hold the ball during the gather step since the gather step becomes the pivot the moment you ended the dribble and takes 2 more step. you can even hop off the pivot if the other foot has yet touched the floor as long as you land on both feet the same time, where both feet cannot touch the floor once lifted again.
why do we need gather steps
@@jmgonzales7701 We need the gather step so every single play in this video isn't illegal.
Coach! How do I fall without injuring myself?
Hello coach, during dribbling practice, do we need to dribble by fingertips only or whole hand,ie, fingertips and palm at a time ?
I personally use every part of my palm + fingers. Most players do as well. Find out what gives you the most control.
@@CoachFrikki thanks frikki. I asked because many tells to dribble only with fingertips
this goes hard thoooo 1:08
how to sure shot end bump etc bump
About damn time someone calls travels.
Seen people defend 3 steps for way too long.
NVM, This dude defends travels.
â@@Yes-gq6rr You telling me with a straight face that the layups from 1:47 to 2:07 should not be legal basketball plays?
@@CoachFrikki I tell you that 3 steps are a travel and there is no gather step.
@yes do you play basketball?
It takes a lot of skill to make it look like 3 steps to the untrained eye without traveling.
Technically those (3 step layups) are using the same steps as a standard layup you approve of.
@@loganw861 Since I was young.
I can only get to a 10 ft net 4 days out of the week the rest I can only play on 9'5 any advice on how to keep developing my shot
Focus on shooting on your 10 ft days. Focus on other things like ball handling, moves, IQ, athleticism (low rim dunking) on the 9'5 ft days. Shooting on the low rim isn't bad though, just put some extra high arc on it to simulate the real height.
@@CoachFrikki Thank you so much for the fast response and the information
nxt upload when?
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No ref calls these though
Even more of a reason to change the rules!
Thats partly the point
some of the moves shown here aren't necessarily travel under the current rule, if the player jumps on the pivot foot and lands on both feet simultaneously, but yes, agreed that these rules for HS and college should change.
Which play isn't a travel?
@@CoachFrikki like the stepback jumper on 0:26. he lands almost simultaneously, and a dunk at 1:16.
@@rightykim5184 They're still travels because they are lifting the pivot and taking another step, even if they are landing on two.
@@rightykim5184 I saw 3 steps. The hop is two steps since you move both of your feet
@@rightykim5184 in European basketball it's not travel
What I canât stand is the hand under the ball fake shot hesi
That's why people don't step back in Europe. It is considered travel in there
these arent a travel in fiba, wtf are u talking about
next video coach
But the moves weren't called a a travel in any of the clips
cuz the refs dont understand the rules
Please come back sir frikki
Lot to do at school. Will make it up to you guys and be really active in December.
@@CoachFrikki look forward to it
@@CoachFrikki ??
@@CoachFrikki damn december almost finished tho
@@roshawnseeny2531 lol he means next december. just kidding lets hope he comes back jan 1st
It's jail ball I'm not worrying about it
people who complain about gather steps are old heads or dudes that never actually play ball. It feels so unnatural to just do a 1 and 2 step. The gather step allows for fluidity in playing and making basketball moves.
Agreed. That's why HS and College need to add the gather step to their rulebook.
I'm confused I thought the gather step was allowed at all levels. Like it's a common thing done even in hs I see it done all the time and most refs even know what the rule is. How is the gather step a travel if like pretty much no refs at any level call it, is it just a rulebook thing that nobody actually follows because it's ridiculous?
Spot on. They need to change the rulebook. FIBA changed it 4 years ago.
yep its the stupid hs/college rules that doesnt allow these moves
so the players of this generation aren't skilled they just get away with alot more
do any refs actually call this though
nope but thats partly the point
The reason FIBA followed NBA is to make the sport easier and have more points, so more people would watch. That doesn't mean it should be the way to go. I don't see FIFA changing soccer rules so more people watch the game. Going from two steps to three steps makes the game too easy
Having a gather step is definitely the way to go. Do you really think that every single play in this video should be illegal?
And nobody is making the case for 3 steps. You start counting after the ball gets picked up. The gather step doesn't count because you are still dribbling and you can't travel while dribbling.
@@CoachFrikki many of the plays you showed were clean: pivot and second step. Basketball was a thing before the âgatherâ step, and players were able to spin, dunk, and score past the whole team, so the only need for a gather step is for more players to be good at the game, and for more points to be scored, ergo, just making the game easier.
It is so much easier that nobody will let you complete the word âgatherâ in a street court before calling your travel and taking the ball from your hands
@@andresferrer7628 Which plays there were clean in your opinion?
@@andresferrer7628 No theyre not clean. The players in these clips are taking 2 steps after the pivot under HS and college rules
They didnt revise fiba rules to make it easier, they did bc it made more sense to allow these natural moves that would be a travel under HS and college rules
Where are you coach frikki
Finishing my finals for school
@@CoachFrikki I ain't from America or US there, my End of Years are finished alr. GL coach
@@CoachFrikki good luck
I though HS follows FIBA rules? At least our league does
tbh everything needs to follow the fiba rules, or maybe make a league separate from the NBA that follows the fiba rules
most hs follow nfhs, not fiba
you want the rules more lax than they are now and giving defense another disadvantage, in 10 years the nba is gonna be a hand ball league at this point
literally nothings gonna get more lax cuz the moves are ALREADY not getting called
Wow I would expect this take from people who donât know the game, but itâs surprising to hear it from you. NONE of those examples in the beginning is a travel.
Read the travelling rules from the High School & College rulebook and then explain to me how I'm wrong. If you prove me wrong I'll delete this video.
@@CoachFrikki I misunderstood what you were saying. I thought you were saying those were pro travels. Keep doin whatcha doin Coach!
dummy
honestly they don't call this shit anyway so...
Spot on. And neiter should they. So change the rulebook so it reflects accurately how the game is called.
whats the purpose of the rules then
No, HS and college do not need to change this rule. Permitting extra steps gives the offense a distinct advantage and disadvantages the defense. The game is about balance between the two. FIBA just wants to be like the NBA, which is as fake basketball as you can get.
Do you not think players at all levels should be allowed to take 2 steps after picking the ball up?
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this guy is tripping. none of the layups the girls did were travels, and none were called travels. The NBA needs to change their rules. the gather step is ridiculous. Scoring has already been made too easy in the NBA
You're wrong. The girl layups were all travels. They gather before the 2 steps. Which is illegal in HS because there is no gather step in the rules.
@@CoachFrikki bruh, you need to lay off the glue. Go watch those girls moves in slow motion. None used an extra step as a gather. dribble stopped, 1 foot hits the ground, then 1 more foot hits ground. 2 steps. Don't put these videos up after your bong sessions
@@kevinsutube1p528 These layups are gather + 2 steps. Which is legal in NBA + FIBA. But illegal in HS and College.
I've watched these clips multiple times in slow motion and frame by frame. For example the first girl at 1:47 gathers on her left foot (gather step) before taking 2 steps. A travel according to the high school rulebook.
Explain to me how I'm wrong and I'll delete this video.
@@CoachFrikki no you won't. her left foot hits the ground while dribbling, then she grabs the ball with both hands, her right foot makes contact with the ground, then her left foot makes contact, up in the air shot. 2 steps. 2. not a travel in high school, college, FIBA or the NBA. hence why it wasn't called a travel
@@kevinsutube1p528 I respect you for taking a break from insults and sticking to an argument. You're still incorrect though.
Her left foot is still on the ground while she picked the ball up with 2 hands. Here is a screenshot: imgur.com/a/vcq70cn.
I know it is 2 steps. But in HS + College you have to gather with both feet in the air before those 2 steps.
In FIBA + NBA you can gather on one (gather/zero step) before taking those 2 steps.
I WILL 100% delete my video if you explain how I'm wrong.
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The step through has to go thats is a travel people pump fake then go take 2 steps after they stop their dribvble
This is called gather step hence the reason is not called a travel @coachfrikki
This is a travel in HS & College. Legal in FIBA & NBA.
it technically is a gather step but hs and college rules only allow 1 step after that
thats the dumb rule that coach frikki is talking about
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