I think some people don't realize the amount of time they spend typing an analysis is longer that the time the brain has to react in the actual moment. Thanks for posting, even if its not a happy watch its proof of the side of racing you have to consider but never want to experience. Cheers to the next build, whatever form It may be
I’ve been in a similar spot completely unsighted. It’s not a good feeling. I’m sure your shoulders will be feeling that for a few weeks. I got some serious hans bruises!
Went to the Skip Barber 3-Day racing school there in 1981. Great weekend. I flat footed the last curve - the one you didn’t get to - at 103 mph and ran over a red cone at the apex. Then I dragged it halfway down the main straight.
The time you had to make a decision was crazy short so this isn't to say you were at fault at all, but I guess this goes to show... if you can't see ahead of the car infront and they slow down at a time you'd normally expect them to accelerate, chances are they've seen something you haven't and potentially "gently" spinning them out if you're a bit late on the brakes is better than hitting; with full force, whatever they're avoiding.
You see a puff of dust indicating that someone has gone off, the car in front of you makes an evasive maneuver and then you decide to pass on the off chance that whatever he's evading won't be there when you arrive. If you'd been right it would have been an easy pass. I guess that's racing! Too bad about the car. Edit: Thanks for posting! You guys push really hard, it's way more entertaining than watching Red Bull lap the field!
The camera is mounted on the right, driver on the left. The spun car was in his blind spot the entire time and he was reacting purely on the braking. Puff should've been a warning but it's probably also not uncommon for someone to dip a tire in the grass. Very hard to judge someone off of a simple mistake like this.
@@Diontb ah yes, the camera on the right while driver is on the left. Yet somehow the driver would see better than the side of the car closer to the space he pulled into...
Could be an instict reaction, green miata stepped hard-ish on the brakes, and to avoid collision he maneuvered to the right. in any case it was a split second to react, very unfortunate. RIP sweet miata(s)
raced SM hardcore for 10 years. stuff happens. I had a car go off track left, hit a big ass dirt berm and fly back over the track, just above my car, while i zipped barely underneath it. i was so deep in the red mist the only thing i noticed was that inside my car it smelled like dirt.
This reminds me of the bad one at limerock a few years ago where one car went over the other: spin ahead, traffic, attempt to drive around to passenger and the stopped car is revealed.
Man, that was a vicious impact. Did you taste a taste like sticking a nine volt battery on your tongue? In one of my worst wrecks, I did. I guess it was adrenaline. The back of my neck tingled like I was getting shocked. Then I hit the another car and the wall. I woke up a few minutes later. Glad to see you are OK. Holy crap!
The crash did not look like it totalled the car though; granted, it would have been a costly fix, but still - nothing a body shop and some wrenching could not straighten out.
Commiserations.... Nasty one. Absolutely no line of sight on the spinning car and looked to me as much an avoidance manoeuvre on the 21 than a pass attempt. Don't doubt the car is/was a right mess but hope you are/were OK.
Looks like he was screened by the car ahead. The guy behind him decided to exit the track, but I don't think either of them could have seen the spin itself, only the dust. You have to either back off (hard) or guess which side to take, and these guys look seriously competitive which sort of eliminates the back off option. I wish F1 fought this hard - it would be way more entertaining.
@@MrSunrise- I understand all that. Rule of thumb: If you see indications of trouble ahead and the car your behind makes an evasive move, ease up and follow him. That's not the time to press for a pass.
To begin with, was it very professional to enter the racetrack with the windshield fouled like that? The one that crashed was applying jerky wheel movements (_cutting nails_ trajectory), thus disturbing stability in corners (compare his stance with smooth no. 21). On the exit of his final right-hander he seems to have applied too much throttle too early for a RWD, while too much wheel grip was still busy with lateral forces, so he overdid and lost it. The typical dynamics of the accident (so typical that you see relevant scorch marks left on any track) indicated he would end up inside, so the right thing to evade was to stay on the outside (aim for the dust, the white one did this and survived). However, I can understand instinctive impulse to evade tailgating the green one. It would take a true professional to have the instinct well rooted to stay clear by not going inside where the car out of control would be. On the other hand, two long seconds lapse between the alert (sight of dust) and braking to evade the green one. A good time of reaction is 0.2-0.3 seconds. One second is very mediocre. This means you saw the smoke and did nothing for a long long time.
Did everything right. Very unlucky just to pinch the front brakes and lost steering at the critical moment, otherwise he would have missed the spun car. Bad luck, hope he's not too sore, that was a big hit.
you can't say he did everything right... it was caused entirely because of the brake application. if he was off the brake pedal and just steered instead, it would have been easy to avoid. only problem is training yourself to instinctively react with steering and not brake. not enough time to actually think anything through.
There never was any such thing as a “Shelby” Miata to start with😂 you can put whatever stickers you want on the windshield but it doesn’t make it so.😂😂😂😂😂
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Oh mate. Nowhere to go. What a terrible shame.
So painful to watch over and over. I'm glad everyone came out of it safe; cars can be replaced. Phew!
I think some people don't realize the amount of time they spend typing an analysis is longer that the time the brain has to react in the actual moment. Thanks for posting, even if its not a happy watch its proof of the side of racing you have to consider but never want to experience. Cheers to the next build, whatever form
It may be
That escalated quickly, condolences.
I’ve been in a similar spot completely unsighted. It’s not a good feeling. I’m sure your shoulders will be feeling that for a few weeks. I got some serious hans bruises!
Went to the Skip Barber 3-Day racing school there in 1981. Great weekend. I flat footed the last curve - the one you didn’t get to - at 103 mph and ran over a red cone at the apex. Then I dragged it halfway down the main straight.
Oh man, intense. Glad everyone was safe.
I ran shifter karts there a few times in the early 2000’s. Fabulous track. Off track ( at that time) was a bit problematic. Loved your tour.
Damn that's a hard lick... Glad you're okay
The time you had to make a decision was crazy short so this isn't to say you were at fault at all, but I guess this goes to show... if you can't see ahead of the car infront and they slow down at a time you'd normally expect them to accelerate, chances are they've seen something you haven't and potentially "gently" spinning them out if you're a bit late on the brakes is better than hitting; with full force, whatever they're avoiding.
You see a puff of dust indicating that someone has gone off, the car in front of you makes an evasive maneuver and then you decide to pass on the off chance that whatever he's evading won't be there when you arrive. If you'd been right it would have been an easy pass. I guess that's racing! Too bad about the car. Edit: Thanks for posting! You guys push really hard, it's way more entertaining than watching Red Bull lap the field!
The camera is mounted on the right, driver on the left. The spun car was in his blind spot the entire time and he was reacting purely on the braking. Puff should've been a warning but it's probably also not uncommon for someone to dip a tire in the grass. Very hard to judge someone off of a simple mistake like this.
@@Sturmovik1946 in his blind spot is hilarious, watch the video again he would've had a better view than us !
@@Diontb ah yes, the camera on the right while driver is on the left. Yet somehow the driver would see better than the side of the car closer to the space he pulled into...
Could be an instict reaction, green miata stepped hard-ish on the brakes, and to avoid collision he maneuvered to the right. in any case it was a split second to react, very unfortunate. RIP sweet miata(s)
@@DiontbClearly you don’t race. Everything Sturmovik said is correct.
I had a similar, but far less serious wreck this season. Wrong place, wrong time. Glad you are alright.
Was such a pretty car. Damn
Glad everyone was OK (assuming so) that was a nasty no time crash. Thank God for well engineered automobiles.
That sucks. I live in Beaufort and been wanting to take mine to Roebling Road for some track time.
raced SM hardcore for 10 years. stuff happens. I had a car go off track left, hit a big ass dirt berm and fly back over the track, just above my car, while i zipped barely underneath it. i was so deep in the red mist the only thing i noticed was that inside my car it smelled like dirt.
That’s a HUGE hit.
That was a big one
This reminds me of the bad one at limerock a few years ago where one car went over the other: spin ahead, traffic, attempt to drive around to passenger and the stopped car is revealed.
Damn, that was a nasty one. Hope everyone involved was OK.
That was a 'Billy Monger blind dashout move'
rest in peace sweet prince
Such a bummer! Been there, done that...maybe not quite as hard.
Man, that was a vicious impact. Did you taste a taste like sticking a nine volt battery on your tongue? In one of my worst wrecks, I did. I guess it was adrenaline. The back of my neck tingled like I was getting shocked. Then I hit the another car and the wall. I woke up a few minutes later. Glad to see you are OK. Holy crap!
Ouch.
The crash did not look like it totalled the car though; granted, it would have been a costly fix, but still - nothing a body shop and some wrenching could not straighten out.
“Hey look a gap”
Commiserations.... Nasty one. Absolutely no line of sight on the spinning car and looked to me as much an avoidance manoeuvre on the 21 than a pass attempt. Don't doubt the car is/was a right mess but hope you are/were OK.
well driving and prediction by white car
ouch
Why do the rules disadvantege the NAs? I see no reason why it wouldn't be better is all eligible generations were competitive.
Didn't go two feet in
I think you could have started the video earlier, like when Mazda was still making her ...
Well seeing the dirt go up should maybe have been enough to follow the car in front who had a least a view of what was happening. Bad choice
That sucks bro. Sorry
The car spinning out ahead was visible through the right hander. Glad everyone ok.
“If you no longer go for a gap that exists, you are no longer a racing driver” - Ayrton Senna
...when there's no other car blocking the way! 😂
Carroll is rolling in his grave. shelby miata? come on
Carol was an A-hole, so who cares?
*boop*
Horrible accident. Similar to Billy Monger’s.
Lots of regrets with that move. Did you not see the spin?
Looks like he was screened by the car ahead. The guy behind him decided to exit the track, but I don't think either of them could have seen the spin itself, only the dust. You have to either back off (hard) or guess which side to take, and these guys look seriously competitive which sort of eliminates the back off option. I wish F1 fought this hard - it would be way more entertaining.
@@MrSunrise- I understand all that. Rule of thumb: If you see indications of trouble ahead and the car your behind makes an evasive move, ease up and follow him. That's not the time to press for a pass.
@@bobhenry6159 This looks a lot more like avoiding the slow car directly ahead, not some daredevil overtake.
He saw the spin and made the conscious decision to hit the spinning car, to maximize his CZcams views. How could you possibly think otherwise?!
@@guest6423 You're right! The user engagement is off the charts!
Should have stayed in your lane. Behind the the car you were behind.
Well, duh! Hindsight is 20/20, huh bud. You know, if the Titanic had changed course 10 seconds earlier . . .
😂😂😂
Boys, can we get an "'F' in the chat?"
To begin with, was it very professional to enter the racetrack with the windshield fouled like that?
The one that crashed was applying jerky wheel movements (_cutting nails_ trajectory), thus disturbing stability in corners (compare his stance with smooth no. 21). On the exit of his final right-hander he seems to have applied too much throttle too early for a RWD, while too much wheel grip was still busy with lateral forces, so he overdid and lost it. The typical dynamics of the accident (so typical that you see relevant scorch marks left on any track) indicated he would end up inside, so the right thing to evade was to stay on the outside (aim for the dust, the white one did this and survived). However, I can understand instinctive impulse to evade tailgating the green one. It would take a true professional to have the instinct well rooted to stay clear by not going inside where the car out of control would be. On the other hand, two long seconds lapse between the alert (sight of dust) and braking to evade the green one. A good time of reaction is 0.2-0.3 seconds. One second is very mediocre. This means you saw the smoke and did nothing for a long long time.
Did everything right. Very unlucky just to pinch the front brakes and lost steering at the critical moment, otherwise he would have missed the spun car. Bad luck, hope he's not too sore, that was a big hit.
you can't say he did everything right... it was caused entirely because of the brake application. if he was off the brake pedal and just steered instead, it would have been easy to avoid. only problem is training yourself to instinctively react with steering and not brake. not enough time to actually think anything through.
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There never was any such thing as a “Shelby” Miata to start with😂 you can put whatever stickers you want on the windshield but it doesn’t make it so.😂😂😂😂😂
It’s a nickname ffs.
Maybe his name is Paul Aron Shelby ;P