Your Typical Corvette Driver at a Track Day [Subaru BRZ POV @ Pocono Raceway]
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- čas přidán 12. 07. 2022
- Been to plenty SCCA Track Night in America events and never experienced a (non novice) driver completely disregard the rules that we went over in the drivers' meeting. DON'T BE THAT GUY.
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Maybe he’d stand a chance in the corners if he had as many anime stickers
LMAO this is my fav comment
@@dadhats are those stickers or is that a wrap, cause I AM INSPIRED
🤣🤣🤣
I was wondering if the staff could next time pass out tissues for Subbie boy🤣🤣
@@landorseasprint previous owner did it but if I remember correctly he told me it was hydrodipped (whatever that is)
the corvette is very skilled at driving straight. impressive 🤦♂️
pretty much all they are good for.
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@@myztklk3v a good driver would be able to handle it, that guy is just ass lol
@@myztklk3v Now that's just objectively false Corvettes can corner extremely well but only in the right hands which was defiantly not the guy in the white c8 that's for sure.
@@XxViciousxX agreed, you could tell the guy was not maximizing his car. All over the line, his breaking is pretty messy everywhere.
One thing about mid engine car is that, once you trail break enough and point the car's nose at the right direction. The car would just hook and go. However you could see that the c8 corvettes body weight transfer was absolutely shit, car would dip forward and backward. Hence reducing the tires' grip.
I'm so glad someone found your video and shared it with me. I was the event lead for that event. The coach in the video did speak with him and was promised that he would behave better. I spoke with him as he went out for his last session and was again reassured that he would behave better. After he did not behave better, and he gave us attitude for that, he was asked to leave. He has been marked in our system for all event leads to know what sort of behavior to expect and to make appropriate decisions about if he will be running with them or not. I can assure you that he will never run at an event where I am the lead. The same can be said for the usual lead at Pocono.
There has been a shift in participant behavior at Pocono this year that we are working to get ahead of. We don't know who is encouraging disrespectful people to come to our events, but we are weeding them out as quickly as we can. If anyone sees an issue at an event that I am at, please bring it directly to my attention so I can address it immediately.
appreciate you guys taking action!
Question for you Adam Wright... who signed off on this guy for intermediate? No way does he belong in anything but beginner, and I am being kind, and definitely needs an instructor in the car with him. For all the Corvette haters, this is not typical behavior, at least not in my experience anyway.
100% correct action, my first thing off that session would be talking with the organizers.
One pass without a point by, warning. Second time, goodbye. Clueless and reckless doesn't belong at a HSDE.
That's happening everywhere. People are just turning into shit.
The real crime is the 4ft tall wing on that mustang😂
Downforce baby
Hahah i saw that and no front splitter or any other aero. At first I was thinking oh i bet he has a GT3 IMSA setup, then i saw the side 😅
“I took my C8 to the track. These rice rockets couldn’t keep up with me”
LMAO
It's frustrating that this is 100% EXACTLY what that guy was thinking.
Well, that’s half right
@William Arrington yes, I do. my comment was sarcastic.
@William Arrington it's in quotation marks. He is making a joke about the corvette driver in the video. 😂
"You idiots shouldn't be racing on empty highways. Be safe and do it at the track!"
The track:
😂😂
That’s exactly what I thought, maybe he’s trying to do the responsible thing, but ends up just enraging everyone at the track. Tell him to get a Fanatec sim setup and play some Forza Motorsports for a couple thousand hours before he comes back
@@chincemagnet the narrator says hed already been talked to once already so he's just not listening...
@@daltonbedore8396 I meant in general, by coming to the track rather than street racing or whatever
@@chincemagnet I respectfully want to intervene and state that I would rather not have to meet that guy in any Forza Session.
Reminds me of the people who hurry up and pass you to get in your lane, hit the brakes and then take the exit. When the rearview mirror shows a clear lane right behind me.
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Lol! I was about to write something quite similar.
i do the same thing but i’m flying off the exit at the same speed i passed you. i’m trying to jump the intersection 😈
@pepefrog7456 while eating a bowl of Cheerios, of course.
Had one one of those today. Passed me in a hurry and squeezed into the gap that was closing in front of me due to everyone braking for the upcoming corner, and there was absolutely no one behind me. I guess it's just too embarrassing for them to be last in line.
love how he rides his brakes leading into the corners from the long straight. and then takes it nice and easy sunny sunday driving style through the corners, and then hammers down on the straights.
It’s hilarious to see a new C8 getting absolutely thrashed by a BRZ. Dude needs lessons 😂
At least he isn't a ped0 with little cartoon girls plastered on the dash
Sorry bud but with the correct driver that C8 would blow it away... Not even close🤣🤣
@@chadc1017 Thank you, captain obvious.
@@MoneyMunday LOL
@@chadc1017 You're a bit simple huh?
man what a pro... "Straight roads are for fast cars, turns are for fast drivers" - Colin McRae
Wow, as a C6 owner that is just embarrassing to see that C8 driver's behavior and lack of skill. Nice driving with the BRZ, it looks like a blast!
Man, watching this just makes me want to learn as much about track discipline as possible. Plan to go to one of these sometime.
But that C8 driver IS in fact a novice driver. He has no idea what a racing line is, and being a C8 he should be MUCH faster in the corners than this. He's just at a really low skill level. I think we could all drive just like him as 16 year olds with provisional licenses. I would present this video to the staff and have him demoted to novice for all future events.
I could be obviously wrong but while an instructor isn’t required, I highly recommend a novice driver to get one. It doesn’t eliminate this type of horrible driving automatically but it puts a set of eyes in the car and something could be done right there and then.
@@kickyadick This was a Track Night in America event. No instructors or passengers allowed unfortunately. These are generally way cheaper than HPDE's and the skill level varies wildly.
If I was presented this video I would honestly demote the OP. He is flooring it in any corner to get as close as possible to the C8's bumper Ignores all point by's even when bending the rule to go around would be the safer choice. and not confuse the C8 guy as to why the driver behind is ignoring hand signals. The BRZ guy is not here to improve his driver skill, this is just a video full of bullying. Track Rats tend to do this and over blow everything like a motorcycle vlogger.
@@googleleavemynamealone9145 are you talking about when the c8 gave him point bys in areas that you cant pass? did you watch the beginning of the video?
The skill doesn’t matter to be honest, trackday is for anyone to have fun. It’s the god damn rule and courtesy. He is fast on straight line but any trackday would first make fun example of a GTR: no matter what you drive, if that Miata is faster than you (in corners), slow down on the passing by zone to let them pass - even if you can dump them on that straight line.
This is like, the most announced and simple rule a 3 year old can understand. It has nothing to do with skill. They have a really big problem understanding people.
I guess they need special treatment in life for their mental disadvantage.
Dude thats so true! I did thunderhill a year ago and a c7 literally tried passing me mid turn on the inside but he was going too fast and his car just went straight for the dirt and i watched his car catch air 😂 never laughed harder in my life
LMAO pain 😭
Good ol' Thunderhill. I'd love to go back.
The important part was the driver was able to walk away from this incident. I'm sure you took the time to educate the driver concerning high speed corners.
@@ronretired282 everyone was annoyed of that guy he wasnt even coming into the download meetings
@@ronretired282 hopefully not.
You're a great driver man, that was fun to watch. I know the feeling well of being held up by people who are unsafe because they think they don't need to listen to the rules or attend the driver's/rider's meeting.
Nice handling out there 🤟 its a great time watching you handle that little yota/subbie thing like a beast. Im sure you handled the novice like a boss once you could do so safely
Man he knows how to step on a pedal really well.
He could learn a bit more about the big wheel thingy that he’s supposed to use to turn too*
The go pedal, yes…the stop pedal, not so much….
Seems like he's just there for the straights. He should just go hit the drag strip next time.
That all they know okay!!! Trail breaking.. Whats that. Car balance, who cares.
Go pedal make go good. 🙃
god that is insane, dude is getting BULLIED by a brz in a c8, arguably one of the best handling corvettes 💀😂 i give more props to you than i do shame for him.
props to the brz for sure, but that c8 didn't take a single correct line lol...would have caught up in a bicycle on those turns
Thats an ignorant comment. The Corrvette driver is clearly a novice. We all have to start with shit skill, before he get good.
@@04dram04 hes in an intermediate group though, thats the problem.
@@04dram04 the problem is literally that the Corvette driver ended up in an intermediate group -- NOT ONE FOR NOVICES -- where you're supposed to know what you're doing. He shouldn't have been able to get into that group in the first place, and should have been black flagged the second or third time he made any of the numerous mistakes shown in this video.
Fr he looked like he just started driving 🤣 He cut ever turn so badly he had no speed but on that straight
Your typical subaru driver is a moving apex from this Corvette Driver.
Great driving!! Love my brz.
You need to push the staff to have him removed from the event. It's simply unsafe for all the other drivers and he is obviously not skilled enough to be in your run group. You may also want to express to the SCCA organizer that you and your friends will have to consider if TNIA is the right events for your to attend in the future.
I know they at least talked to him before the next session but pretty sure they still let him run 🤦♂️
He just needs instruction. Bump him down to novice, give him an instructor and teach him. He knew to give the brz a point. That shows some recognition of the circumstance. Just kicking people out because he doesn’t understand doesn’t help. He’ll just sign up for another organization’s event.
@@dadhats I was doing work/run at this event (dude in the blue shirt in the pits) and he was black flagged early on in the 3rd session and did not go back out.
@@jonathonhollahan308 well that's a relief! glad they did something about him!
@@alansilverstein2676 Great idea, but TNiA does not offer instructors, and pricing reflects that. He definitely needs some driver education.
Imagine if the C8 came in manual, this driver could have been in even more trouble :/
He would have been lugging the engine lol. Maybe even lock up the tires from jamming the car down a gear and jerking off the clutch in the middle of a turn.
I dont think he’d drive it.
this is a good business case for making it manual
@@ShaiyanHossain 10000% accurate. If it was manual, this guy wouldn't have made it out of the parking lot.
Steer with the knees.
just bought a mt gr86 and this gets me so excited for corners! fantastic driving dude!!
hell yea man welcome to the club 🤝🤝
I love seeing the point bys he tries to give 🤣. It's like one finger inching out of the window is enough. I'm sorry you had to try passing him while on line with him being off line, that would scare me especially if he's not handling the slower parts well. Great vid!
That old dude is having the time of his life. Ignorance is bliss.
These people need to build their cornering skills first in autocross. Everyone can go fast in a straight line with a fast car.
Auto cross or get put in a lower group or even denied track time… I’m all for letting everyone drive on the track but if they are an active danger or nuisance to everyone else it’s simply not fair
Anyone can go fast in a POS too.
He must feel so badass squishing his foot down and gripping the wheel, probably makes a "jazz" face and feels like a real big man mashing a pedal!
The C8 is stupid easy to drive, which is what makes this embarrassing.
I going to actually disagree here, autocross can teach you bad habits from a road course perspective. What this guy needs is a lead a follow session, plus a full track day in a bone stock Miata or BRZ/ 86. Slow RWD cars make you faster.
Look at the bright side. The times when you were trying to build a gap on the C8 you were driving amazingly with some serious concentration and motivation.
Love the Mustang with the big wing. He says "Oh my, another corner!"
Yeah I feel like half the time Porsches and corvettes at track days are driven by older dudes who finally managed to buy their dream car, and are too worried about crashing their baby to push it in the corners (which is fine, I'd be cautious too.)
But when someone with one of these cars shows up and has the know-how and willingness to push the car to its limits, they can be very fast.
yea man that's def true! but at least do it in novice class where everyone is kind of putting around the track 🤷♂️
There is a difference between pushing the car at the limits and just taking bad lines. He should have been in the novice class.
@@jasmy-canada And driving a car with less horsepower so he can learn in that class.
I would caution to not stray too far from the context of the event under discussion. It’s a HPDE and the metric is not lap times or how much risk a person takes. Faster lap times are primarily an output of proper technique and experience, and less so risk taken.
For HPDE’s, the metrics are closer to amount of event protocol and technique information absorbed, demonstrating execution consistency, predictability, and hopefully exhibiting progression in those metrics by end of event.
Yesss thisss!! I’m the youngest in the crowd of Vette owners and I’m just so surprised by how much the older dudes try to bully their way into turns when they can’t even properly link them!
That is some serious driving skill my man. You get that BRZ moooving around them corners
ty sir appreciate it 🤙
I take my FRS to the track whenever I can and on open lapping days you get these guys in McLaren's and Lamborghinis who are untouchable on the straights but you're stuck behind them in the corners. And usually it's people that drive those cars who don't pay attention to point bys on straights and it's them who try and overtake on an apex and almost cause crashes.
Excellent video bro
Sorry to hear about your experience! I can see understand your frustration. Not all of us corvette track guys are like that. I drive a manual C7Zz Keep up the awesome content! Would love to track anytime and meet new friends and enthusiasts
no worries dude ik there's plenty of vette owners that drive hard! title was meant to poke a little fun that's all 🤝
I agree. Lots of very good and fast Corvette drivers out there. And vettes are extremely fast in corners with right setups. Faster than BRZ for sure...
yea it's kinda odd that BRZ guy is talking shit about corvettes lol. BRZ is a car that people hang out at gas stations with
@@Chris13FIST You can't even take corners, hush. XD The only thing you can do is go in a straight line.
Lmao typical corvette HPDE driver. Fast on the straights but slow in the curves. But all jokes aside you guys should have tried to get him removed from future events. Passing with no point by, not letting off the throttle when pointing and giving point bys in the corners in incredibly dangerous to you and everyone else on track. It's amazing how he even made it to the intermediate group considering everything he did wrong is taught in the instructed classes and drivers meetings. I had a semi-similar situation with a BMW 5 series who wouldn't let up when pointing by and giving super late point-bys before the corner. Almost ended up slamming into the side of them.
It’s just obvious that they think they are above the rules so they don’t care to listen to them.
At least in the TNIA's that I've done, you pick the group that you want, so C8 probably chose Intermediate for himself.
@@Deemo13_ Yea that makes a lot of sense. Most of the HPDE's I do have an instructed group for beginners you have to take and then you advance into the Intermediate group.
Typical comment from a person who knows nothing about what an HPDE is all about. I guess you were the best driver ever when you started driving LMFAO.
Intersting. Good driving, Subaru 👌
Damn brother, you drive like 🔥. Good vid.
I took my CR-Z that was bone stock at the time (save for suspension, larger wheels and tires) on Brainerd International Raceway on a day with Corvettes. Mine was by far the slowest car there. No one disobeyed any rules, but I ended up reeling in the one Charger Hellcat multiple times. He would fly down the straights but in the corners I began catching up after several laps! I gave him a bit of shit about it since I had 1/6th the power he had. 😂
Hellcats feel like boats in the corners.
Go team CR-Z!! :D
Hellcats are like SUVs
Aye I used to live like 5 mins from BIR
Straights are for fast cars. Corners are for fast drivers.
I’m not a racer. But I concluded that many Corvette owners have no clue to track a car properly. But on straight aways they accelerate because that’s all they know what to do?
Good driving my man. Car sounds good too
bro was out for a leisurely cruise in the corners and floors it on the straights lol....btw your BRZ is a monster in the corners, insane speed! great driving
Honestly waving where he wasnt supposed to be waving was super dangerous. On turns!! you need both hands on the wheel. You think this is frustrating, race in WRL! No body follows any rules. I quit because it was suicidal. I have a track 2018 brz and 2022 gr86. Straight line we’ll never win, but corners, we’ll eat those all day.
yea probably wasn't my best idea oops. I was already going relatively slow compared to my normal hot laps but still I see your point!
Both of those are awful value for performance.
@@braisedtoast9002 what would you recommend?
@@CaptainFordo21 a manual 650i. They've depreciated massively and are a good way to get a rwd v8 on the cheap with a not god awful interior. If you just want a light weight car to mod for track days on the cheap miata is always the answer. No, your 3200lb gr86 is not light. Yes a turbo craigslist miata will be cheaper and more fun.
@@braisedtoast9002 Did you miss the part where OP said he has a "track" brz and *also* a '22 gr86 implying the '22 gt86 is a daily/commuter car? I'd rather daily the gr86 than a miata any day, and the older brz's are now way more accessible in most countries as a track car than miatas are. Here in Australia you can't get a miata from any generation for less than $20k, even a rolling mx5 shell is $15k+. Whereas you can find boosted/already track spec 2018 BRZ's for a similar price.
This happens quite a bit with people who think the car and straight line speed is everything.
Had a “1300hp” vehicle not give a point by for several laps consecutively and when they finally did, it was on a no pass zone. They will also not let off after they give the point by for a clean, safe pass…as directed in novice class protocol. Fekking idiots need to listen in the drivers meetings and I’d like to see quicker enforcement by corner stations in the novice class.
Can the straight line speed guys stay on the drag strip, please?
Don’t understand why they want to annoy everyone else on a road-track day if they don’t care about turning….
excellent driving. really goes to show 80% is driver skill and 20% is the car.
95% driving skills lolz , I agree tho
I could listen to your car's exhaust all day
A perfect opportunity for someone to visit novice and really learn with an instructor. I ran inter a couple times so I could drive with a few buddies who were newer to track driving a have them follow me a couple laps here and there. Unfortunately you get people who think they can just jump into inter with no actual experience and it makes it dangerous for others all too often, and funny enough, one of those people were my own pals at one point almost causing me to have a near death experience at PBIR.
That's frustrating as hell and I can definitely relate
My last HPDE trackday @ CMP, had a similar issue with a GT4 acting like that (also struggled to keep up with my 13' FRS that was CSG tuned @ 93). Fortunately the stewards/instructors had a talk with him and his stunt ended. Props to you and your buddy on having to deal with this bs
it's always the porsches and corvettes loool
@@dadhats Makes me want to have a car with higher HP so it makes it as hard as possible to have the straight liners pass me in the straights. Could you run this same event if you turbo charged your FRS or would that prevent you from racing this event/class due to power/weight ratio being too high or something?
@@SI0AX yep you could! this is just an hpde event not a race, so no classes/class restrictions or anything like that
This is the track version of what people do to you if you drive a minivan on a road trip.
Can't stand being behind you yet won't actually drive that fast so they pass and then slow down all the time.
@@dadhats Good to know!
You know what, I think a cheap nitrous kit could suffice. Only use the nitrous when the old man tries to pass on the straight then just drive without it for the turns. That way it will last enough for the event, lol.
I had an FRS, they are absolute amazing track day cars! Had a few situations like this with a viper and a Corvette myself.
Sweet rippin' man!
I really like your content, keep posting! Also if you ever have the desire to, it'd be awesome to see a build video detailing your 86. Keep up the good content.
thanks man I really appreciate that! I could do that but there's not too much to it. I do have the mods listed in the description if you're interested
No one in this vid besides the POV driver knew how to drive, take apexes or communicate intentions without waving their hands around out the window.
Dude, been there. All the confidence on those straights
Love the 86 platform. Most fun vehicle ive ever owned. Not fast in straight but so fast in corners it doesnt matter :)
lmao we had the same problem at our track night, but instead of an old man in a corvette it was a young woman in an M5. She would hold up traffic all the way through the course letting 10 cars pile behind her and then BLAST IT on the long straight to 160mph leaving all of us behind . . . right up until turn 1 lol. She did it in two sessions and got called out each time. I dont think she went out for a third stint. Happy to see you enjoying that BRZ in its natural element. I miss mine. Im in a 20 WRX now and havent gone to a track event yet since my local track was sold this year for warehouse space.
Pbir?
@@tyleranderson8634 yea =(
@@christophercronin2023 yea man it sucks bro used to go all the time
The time difference after you passed was funny. Good driving man 🤙🏽
right! it was like a good 10 sec difference like wut....
legit like racing against Need for Speed AI on easy mode lmao
I like the way you drive that car. I feel like it’s just on the edge all the time.
You seem to be the only one that knows what an apex is. And you’re a very good driver. 👍🏻
Perfect example of how money can't buy skill! That driver couldn't even keep up with 490 horsepower!
@John Smith wrong comment? Looks like you meant to reply to the comment above this one
I love the engine sound! the intake somehow sounds just like a 4age. absolute music to my ears
Ahhh I knew I recognised the notes that thing was putting out!
My MR2 S/C appreciates that.
Your brz sounds amazing from inside
Nice driving man! I am not a racer or anything but braking and lines looked good. Just like sim racing, there are always those people that don’t care and ruin things for others.
those brz are slow on straight lines because they dont have much power but they handle like they are on rails,great car man!
My opinion is that you might be in the wrong run group. It's time for you to ask for a checkride so that you can be promoted.
Also, don't let other drivers get you angry. Take a cooldown lap, or roll through hot pit to get away from them, then resume hooning. The only way that a bad driver can ruin your track day is if you let them.
This is good advice. The Corvette may be in the wrong but if the op is that bent out of shape he needs to take a breather. You need a level head to be promoted as well. Pulling into the pit was a good choice, but chill a bit.
Correct! Roll through the hot pit.
Exactly, acting like the C8 is such a risk but pushing his car hard as shit to stay up his ass. If it's really a safety concern back off and chill out
I’m about to do my first hpde in a month, I am simply floored at the lines taken by the big wing mustang and the c8. I honestly think all the c8 guy cares about is telling his buddies how fast he went on the straight.
tire screeching in corners sounds wonderful
that turn onto the straight (timestamp 2:33) looks scary, heavy braking zone, pavement transition and a high speed turn with no runoff... I have to imagine that 2:36 was a pucker moment.
My thoughts exactly!
That C8 was driven really slow.
You're a good driver especially with a manual. Wish I could race that guy with my manual C7.
thanks man! wouldn't be much of a race I'm sure 😂
Feels like there's always at least one at any given track day. Even in the Advanced class, there's always someone who thought they should be there because they have a fast car, not because they actually know how to drive it quickly. But because I've shifted focus from getting the fastest laptimes to finding faster drivers to follow, I'm a lot less bothered by it than I used to be. If it's a problem, just give them space and pull through the pits then go back out to create some separation.
It reminds me of driving on a rural highway across the island - the limit is 100 but when I'm towing many drivers slow down to 60 on the no passing zones, then whenever there is a passing lane (3rd lane) they speed up to 120 and with my trailer I don't have the power to pass. I don't think it's intentional, I think they just think the road is wider so it's safe to drive faster.
You handled that very well. I can agree it's incredibly infuriating when your considerably faster than other drivers but straights there quicker and stewards don't do anything about them sometimes. Happens a lot at my track cause if they have money it's a whatever thing for the organizers/stewards. Meanwhile I can bully brand new M cars and Corvettes in my Focus SVT and they give me shit cause I'm "putting too much pressure on other drivers" then let me pass.
Gotta love those guys with the super powerful whips that floor it on the straights and park in the corners.
I encounter this a lot at motorcycle track days.
I did a track day in 1996 at Willow Springs, on the big track. I was riding my Suzuki Bandit 400. Our instructor passed me on the outside of the Rabbit’s Ear on an Ascot 500.
pretty good video, sir. I'm a drag racer, so I have no idea what's going on. I did enjoy your video. oh! and I've seen smoother off road tracks. sheesh!
Honestly I’m a newb C6 Z06 owner and super young so I just let most kids pass me since I’m still learning and this guy gives us a bad name. I don’t even push my Vette to redline cause fear of valve drop lol! 😭
hey nothing wrong w that!
It's fine to go slow ,just be smart and courteous about it.
I'm not fast either
You have to start somewhere. The C6 is a nice track car. Welcome to future racing events.
It was funny watching how easily he oast you on the straights. I know hes not supposed to but man, got to admit that c8's a beast to be the first iteration of that car!
lol very true! they are absolute weapons in the right hands, hopefully one day I'll get the chance to see what I can do with one 🤔
For a one trick pony it’s a beast. Clearly the dude who owns that car doesn’t know where he stands. His vette is fast but he’s slow as shit. Buddy over here in the BRZ is fast but his car is “slow” which explains where in all the areas that actually require REAL experience behind the wheel, the vette stayed glaring hard at BRZ tail lights.
@@deadghost50ify hardly a one trick pony when it beats a Carrera S’s Nurburgring time.
@@deadghost50ifyIt's not a a C3. One trick pony is absurd.
Some mighty fine driving there! Took my first gen 86 t NC to run Dragons Tail and had a C8 corvette in front of me just annoying the hell out of me.
I don't understand what's going on here (just a random video that was suggested to me), but I'm curious to learn.
Didn't the corvette pass on the straight in the beginning of the video (on a yellow zone as per the map)? Just curious.
he did pass on the straight but I didn't point him by since he was slower than me. in this class you need to pass with a point by
Dude your manners.. Seriously i envy your patience and in this case, your skills. He got his ass handled to him by a BRZ.
These older guys have zero neck strength. They go any more than 30mph through a corner and they'll pop a fucking vein, forget crashing their baby.
Wanna know why some talk about “old” people driving vettes? Because just like any other car that’s infinitely better than a piece of crap feminine looking BRZ - people 40 and up are the morherf’ers that can afford it. Really not hard to understand. You don’t see jit kids driving 911’s unless it’s some athlete or some Saudi dip shi born into billions. So what do young people that have all of 872.00 dollars in their bank account do? They hate, project.
nice driving that brz is a lil track monster lol
I know if this is completely off topic, but that car is extremely satisfying to listen to
thanks man! not too bad for a 4 cylinder!
imo 200-260whp cars are where its at. I had a 240sx/sr20 for a few years, and an rx8 for a few years. More power is *fun* but a properly dialed "entry level" sports car is much more rewarding and every time I watch an onboard camera on a brz it strengthens my belief. I've been looking to get a corvette in next year but the more I think about it I might really need to get a brz instead.
agreed. I rly wanna kswap mine I think it would be perfect for this car, less weight more power 👌 the new brz/gr86 seems almost perfect at around 210whp
I took one of my buddies out to his first track day in his new C8. I lined up in front of him in my rx8 and he couldn't catch up the rest of the session.
Later though after he got more comfortable he stomped me though lol.
I work for Chevrolet and got to drive the C8 around Monticello a couple of weeks ago.
The car is an engineering marvel, and the best handling car I've ever driven. BUT.
It's too easy to drive. Not very engaging or challenging. I actually much prefer my LT1 C4 6 speed. Much slower, but requires you to actually know what you're doing. Anyone can drive a C8.
@@itsjamilagain the biggest complaint I've seen with them is that they're soul-less to drive, I bet the z06 is going to fix that though
@@bfiremitch I would hope so. I got to see 2 of those in person also, as well as the C8R.
The Z06 is actually better on paper than the 911 GT3, at about half the price. It will be almost impossible to get one, unfortunately. I would start buying those C5/6 ZO6s right now.
1:30 when he gave the point-by but still accelerated, that triggered me
Grinds my gears when this happens.
Had one wet track day following a Chevy truck in my very low HP Civic. Spent 4 laps behind him. He’s actively cutting me off and not letting me pass, but takes off on the straight because he has more power. I backed off for 1/2 a lap to get some distance and still caught up to him before T2. He finally pits and next lap I’m up over 9 seconds a lap.
Told the staff about it.
Next thing I see he ducks down next to my car in the pits and lets down one of my tyres.
Absolute piece of work
Pretty sure I was there that day, have a video my wife took with the white C8 holding everyone up in the corners and then gapping most down the straights. I made sure to start in the back because I kept having fuel cut issues in the right turns so I was trying to be out of the way in case it happened. My day ended with being towed off in the second session. I live local, so if you want to do more Subaru things hit me up, got quite the build going on right now.
I will always remember a "too good for you" prick driving a 2012 out-of-the-box getting lapped by a Canadian husband-wife in built 1970s porches. The first scoffed at me, the couple offered me a beer before I made it to their RV.
That driving from the Corvette is extremely dangerous. Another thing I noticed, it seems like you had a few people that might have had powerful cars and didn't know how to drive. Looks like the Mustang also wasn't aware of how to take the racing line.
Great driving by you. And talking to the staff/workers letting them know he needs to come off is exactly what needed to be done. Either he should have been moved to beginner with instructor or he needed to be removed from the event. Especially if he was already talked to by someone previous to this.
thanks! yea something about this track has people driving all over the place. I think there's just a lack of knowledge of this layout in general bc at njmp people drive way better!
I knew you'd catch him like I catch 1000RRs with an R3. Drive your drive, be safe, teach others when you can.
I have yet to track my FRS but man you make me really want to go now. I have the Tomei ELH but I think the UEL would give better cornering. Would definitely try it as is then maybe switch great job mate.
def give it a shot!! all the track guys I've talked to always value the top end of the el over the uel 👍
Ask to move into a higher group or put in the days to be allowed. In a point by group with no open passing, this is where these guys will live out the rest of their days. Best to move up and move on, there's at least a few of these chaps on every track weekend.
The horsepower vs corner cars are a growing matter to content with in recent years though as 400-500hp has become common and driving skills have.. well... not caught up.
getting there! still new to this myself. I'm registered for a bunch of events coming up in inter but might have to see if I can change that
@@dadhats book an instructor. They'll pass you up into the upper groups soon with ur driving if you maintain awareness
@@TorqueTestChannel I'm running with Track Night in America so doesn't quite work that way, the groups are self assigned with no in car instructors. basically just need to register for advanced from now on and see how it goes 🤷♂
Ah yes, SCCA Track Fright In America where rungroup is determined by how much horsepower you have. ;-) Reminds me of the one time I went. 225WHP M3 (m3) vs 700+ Hennesy tuned GT-R. Left me in the straights, every corner I was up his tailpipe. He claimed he was slow in the corners because of the "engine tune", and not his crappy line.
To be fair, every 700hp+ car I have driven usually has awful partial throttle behavior. But with time & practice, not to mention somewhat adhering to the racing line, that is mostly able to be overcome.
@@von... The GT-R doesn't (at least that one didn't). In this case the awful partial throttle behavior was the driver. ;-)
Wow such a cool story we all very much believe
@@chickenfishhybrid44 Link below.
czcams.com/video/CrDnhZvOK38/video.html
Tbh stock non power mods on a GTR can be pretty difficult for a new driver because the car is harder to rotate and will understeer a lot. If your at a track that has many turns with a novice driver, I am not surprised. Most r35 owners I know who track their car are typically keeping their power mods stock or fbo. You won't see many built GTR on the track. 700+hp requires new turbos and prob built engine is ideal if your running it on the track. There's a lot of issues with cooling that needs mods for and the stock suspension isn't as great which is where most people dump their money into if their into track from my experience. Not only that if they are a novice driver, most of the community recommends GTR owners to run lower boost on track days to not overheat the car, allowing longer runs as well. Not that much power is needed for noob driver. Without a dct cooler you pretty much can do like 3-4 laps before needing to cool down
Also I am very surprised someone will bring their GTR to Hennessey in 2023. They are reputable for lying and I'm sure they are saying 700 to the crank not the wheel. Likely a FBO gtr
hot heads like you two makes me loathe track days
Props to the vette owner for owning the best performance car for the price. He may not be the best driver but he will learn with more practice
agreed, love c8s! fingers crossed he takes the time to find an instructor 👌
Best performance car for the price lol
@@Andrew_460 I mean it does have a faster Nurb' time than some cars that cost twice as much so 🤔
@@lorddoosworth8175 LOL
I have a v8 I go fast.
If he has the same amount of skill as his car's power, he could have just pulled away. You could tell how incompetent he was in that c8, the body weight transfer was everywhere on the track. He was def not at the car's limit.
It really just seemed like he stopped driving fast and started commuting lol. I can see a more experienced driver in a lighter car catch up quickly but the 86 driver basically teleported behind the C8.
oh absolutely! no question the c8 driven by someone competent is a different tier of car. especially on a power track like this
I've seen grandmas drive faster in the corners than that dude
@@Shadowboost LOL right? I almost thought like the car broke down or something, nope just driving slow.
I’ve posted a lot of examples like this too. It is sooo annoying. Another one is when you get a point to pass and they don’t let off the gas so you can get by. The often get mad because they don’t think you are trying. Well just because my car has less HP doesn’t mean I am not lapping the track faster. You know fast Miata drivers must live this nightmare often. Anyway after a lap I usually go into hot pit, report them, then when I am back on track I’m far enough away from them. But - sometimes I catch back up and have to do it all again. Anyway I like posting ooops that I witness or participate in. It is entertaining (when no damage) and often can be viewed by others as learning examples of what not to do. Keep safe out there!
God that is so frustrating. Never driven a car on a track but with bikes I get gapped by 1000cc on the straights and held up on the corners. So damn frustrating.
Do you realize a brz has like 140 horse to the wheels you think someone is coming to a track to be behind a normal car like on the roadways
Sad that this is a "typical" Corvette driver at a track day. Some of us are ok. 😁
It’s not people just wish it was so they can justify being haters
You make this look so easy!!! im a new driver overall, like im on my permit still new because covid delayed me. but i want to get into track racing, i actually live near pocono raceway funny enough and id love to be able to do this. About the only thing i have ever done close to this would be my sim setup on assetto corsa lol.
hahah thanks man. I actually bought a sim rig first before I got into this to practice on! I played a lot of ac on tracks in the northeast to learn the layout plus watched a ton of driving tutorials like driver61 to teach myself how to drive properly before I got on track irl 👌
I had a C8 to the exact same thing to me at Pocono, complete with the point-bys. Organizers suggested I just pit to get him off my pace so I could enjoy the rest of the session.
Those point-bys had me cracking UP. Why is this guy not chaperoned LOL.