@@shahnazwazil7723 I don't fully believe the 3 million Uighurs. But there is certainly some of them who are experiencing the camps. I don't care how many people were jailed, 3 million, 10 thousand, whatever. 1. JUST 1 being imprisoneed into reeducation camps just because they are Uighur is already frustrating enough. And there are certainly more than 1 of them. Don't believe me? There are endless pictures there of Uighurs being in classroom or sitting in assembly and Uighurs being lined up. Not counting China rejects surprise visits from Journalists which itself is suspicious.
@@user-lo1ut9df6d only believe what you believe. 😅 there are more videos showing what is reality in xinjiang but no these are not reality only your thought is true
250k rmb in one year. That's a pretty decent income. No wonder people are trying to sanction xinjiang cotton. I guess certain people are trying to stop those farmers from having a better life.
Not to mention basic essential needs are pretty cheap there, enough to support your daily living. Of course once you earn and saving a lot of your income (not to mention others from your wife and maybe, your grown up son/daughter) after a handful of years, you can afford to buy more expensive goods and stuffs, makes your house prettier, and having some vacation across massive land of China or abroad😃😁
Quoted by you: "250k rmb in one year. That's a pretty decent income." Pretty decent income??? !!! Bloody hell, majority of our population in our democratic country do NOT have this kind of income. If we do, then everyone (majority) will laughing all the way to the bank. Majority of our population will be very very happy if the income is 100,000 rmb. I hope some one from the western world can arrange for many in our country to go to Xinjiang to do "forced labor" work & most of all into the "concentration camp" after which can earn 250,000 rmb. I WANT TO GO TO THE CONCENTRATION CAMP and BE A FORCED LABOR' WORKER so that I can earn 250,000 rmb. Please, please, please, can somebody help??? I am not a Muslim, can I get this kind of special privilege??? Sob sob sob!!!
The West want to install a Uyghur Wahhabist extremist agitator government in Xinjiang - a guaranteed way to distablise the region for eternity, just like what the West has done to the neighbouring Afghanistan (Taliban) , Iraq (Al Qaeida) , Syria (ISIS).
@Lucky Retiree. Broke privileged brain lol😂 My parent literally had to work bottom-up for about 20 years just to finally got promoted into higher working position and having a stable middle income (to our standard). I was born and raised through that second half and I *can* definitely tell him (and so do my parent) why average blue-collars Uygur workers today earns better income and able to live better quality life already.
I have visited shanghai, planning to visit beijing hopefully soon, and now looks like the beautiful desert in Kashgar will also be in my travel lists !
You always tell in an interesting and funny way, 😃 I really like your videos. Thanks to you, I get to know China better, it is a very beautiful country. greetings 😃👍🤗👋
Oh i really love these Barbeques!!! They sell them in other places like Guanxi and Shanghai. I have been 13 provinces. But I really regret not heading to Xinjiang when I was already in Gansu. I really want to visit Urumqi and Kashgar. This looks so beautiful!
i love your videos and your personality thank you for showing us real Xinjiang unlike how its portrayed so negatively in the media of large think tanks funded by weapons manufacturers which has a very extreme and negative bias. thank you for dedicating your time and energy to showing us the real lives of people in Xinjiang Stu! hope you get to experience the food and culture and enjoy yourself in China 😊👍🏻
Hi Stu. Pls organize some 'Xinjiang Tours' after the pandemic. Me n my family will love to join u to see a better Xinjiang n Xinjiang specialties..... Love from Malaysia.
Amazing these Xinjiang dates trees/plants are very different from middle eastern & south Asian dates plants/Trees. Good to see farming agriculture with modern techniques
USA is one of the largest cotton exporter/producer, so by smearing Xinjiang as a place with forced labor and sanction them , they take over the market share of Xinjiang. Frankly speaking, I've never seen a forced labor that is a happily making 250,000 RMB (USD 39,000) per year. Can I be a forced labor? and I always want to be a forced labor😁😁
Ohh yeah. The US was infamous by exporting cotton using black slaves and the UK forcing the Indians by paying very small wages for ludicrous amount of work. I think they put something in the West food to addle their mind 🤔
I liked the first part of the video with the local background music mixed in with some slow-motion effects. Great video overall! At 00:20, did the girl spot a famous CZcams vlogger?
You should go to Hotan City to see the Uluwati Water Conservancy Project. There is a miracle of the desert. At the foot of the Kunlun Mountains on the edge of the Taklimakan Desert, this reservoir was built to benefit the people of southern Xinjiang.
Wow ! You Got to interview cotton growers and ask right questions to show whether they are forced labors! The worker’s annual wage/income just from cotton harvest is around US $36k, up or down a bit depending on exchange rate. The owner’s is double, US$70-80K! That’s very good income. The only forced labour seems to be the machines!
Quoted by you: "Where are the forced labourers?" Didn't you see the forced labourers? The guy was driving it & "it" was forced fed with diesel fuel. And the guy make 250,000 rmb while the "it" was suffering without food but diesel fuel as payment. POOR "IT"
Quoted by you: "On the machine was a sign that the government subsidized the machine, which meant that the farmers had a big discount on buying the machine." In China, all minority ethic races have loads of special right & privileges that include no income tax. How I wish I am a minority race in China, my ancestor motherland. ZHONG GUO wan sui wan sui wan wan sui.
Why haven't I discovered you earlier? You picked the best music to go along with your vlogs! It's soo soothing and fitting. You mandarin is also superb damn, I wasn't expecting that at all.
My videos dont rank very highly on CZcams, I don't do the clickbait stuff, but I'm glad you found me! Thanks for the lovely comment. Choosing music is perhaps my favourite part of the editing process.
i saw your videos with your dad and mom and they’re so lovely. your dads a cool dude and your moms so elegant. your video quality is also so nice. the camera captures all the beautiful scenery and the essence of the places you visit. very awesome and amazing! thank you for sharing 😊❤️
OMG, so jealous you get to travel around Xinjiang. My friend and I were slowly making our way around China in 2018 and we thought we'd complete more travel after a couple of years and now here we are, can't get in anymore unless you have a ton of annual leave from work, and I don't have a ton of annual leave.
Don’t show your video to the the American prisoners coz they’d say: what a beautiful prison in Xingiang where you can even earn money! I wish I could be imprisoned there!
It's definately too early Stu. Just have another glass and it'll be fine. Yeah why not another for the road Stu. Hahahaha.... Men love their errrmmmmm......brew? Where ever we are in this world, there is brew made from anything we men can get the hands on. Red date alcohol is new to me.🤣🤣
Hello! your videos are amazing! I am following your travel. I am living in China too, did you make some special permit to go there, or just travel to there? are there some limitation? thank you so much
Quoted by you: "Dude was forced to make 250,000RMB/yr by planting cotton ,damn how brutal they r!" Dude, I want to be brutalized so I can make 250,000 rmb. Please can someone do that to me or even worse so I can make that amount, 250,000 rmb. I don't mind as i am all ready to be brutalize as much as they want even though I am not a sadist.
Not worth mentioning these two ingrates. They had been extended with all the good things in life, but still wanted more - typical of having that colonialist behaviour for one and the other creature thinking that he was still in "Apartheid South Africa." Wondering whether they have found their "paradise" in the US ? Perhaps could be roaming in the streets of the homeless or perhaps not venturing out of their homes for fear of being mugged, stabbed or even shot without any cause or reasons.
lol that 50% red date alcohol looked like it’s a real kicker. 50% is a lot a lot percentage a little goes along way. mix it with some sweet juice and fresh fruits it can taste like a nice mixed drink
2:13 I love dates😍😋 I wonder, is Xinjiang-grown dates a specific variety with its own name or is it a certain variety exported from Middle East region (i.e. Medjool, Sukkary, Ajwa, etc.)?
the ones in china are called jujube actually. looks like they are totally different from the middle east ones. the trees of jujube are like, trees. but the trees of the middle east ones are palm trees.
@@rickr9435 Ah, silly me😅 It just came across my head the obvious difference between the two fruits, but yeah it's an entire different species from the common palm dates despite being referred as "dates" too.
Botancally they are completely different spieces. Jujube, or red dates, chinese dates, is a small deciduous tree. When fresh of season, it is juicy, crunchy, and sweet.
no argue, no debate, just let the daily life of locals to tell the truth. Good job! slap on the haters.
The haters have turned the Internet into a battlefield.
internet has deteriorated
of course, they won't show you the concentration caps. That is why I don't believe that being to Xinjiang is enough proof.
@@shahnazwazil7723 I don't fully believe the 3 million Uighurs. But there is certainly some of them who are experiencing the camps. I don't care how many people were jailed, 3 million, 10 thousand, whatever. 1. JUST 1 being imprisoneed into reeducation camps just because they are Uighur is already frustrating enough. And there are certainly more than 1 of them.
Don't believe me? There are endless pictures there of Uighurs being in classroom or sitting in assembly and Uighurs being lined up. Not counting China rejects surprise visits from Journalists which itself is suspicious.
@@user-lo1ut9df6d only believe what you believe. 😅 there are more videos showing what is reality in xinjiang but no these are not reality only your thought is true
250k rmb in one year. That's a pretty decent income. No wonder people are trying to sanction xinjiang cotton. I guess certain people are trying to stop those farmers from having a better life.
trueeeee
Not to mention basic essential needs are pretty cheap there, enough to support your daily living. Of course once you earn and saving a lot of your income (not to mention others from your wife and maybe, your grown up son/daughter) after a handful of years, you can afford to buy more expensive goods and stuffs, makes your house prettier, and having some vacation across massive land of China or abroad😃😁
Quoted by you:
"250k rmb in one year. That's a pretty decent income."
Pretty decent income??? !!!
Bloody hell, majority of our population in
our democratic country do NOT have this kind of income.
If we do, then everyone (majority) will laughing all the way to the bank.
Majority of our population will be very very happy
if the income is 100,000 rmb.
I hope some one from the western world can arrange
for many in our country to go to Xinjiang to do "forced labor" work
& most of all into the "concentration camp"
after which can earn 250,000 rmb.
I WANT TO
GO TO THE CONCENTRATION CAMP
and BE A FORCED LABOR' WORKER
so that I can earn 250,000 rmb.
Please, please, please, can somebody help???
I am not a Muslim, can I get this kind of special privilege???
Sob sob sob!!!
The West want to install a Uyghur Wahhabist extremist agitator government in Xinjiang - a guaranteed way to distablise the region for eternity, just like what the West has done to the neighbouring Afghanistan (Taliban) , Iraq (Al Qaeida) , Syria (ISIS).
@Lucky Retiree. Broke privileged brain lol😂 My parent literally had to work bottom-up for about 20 years just to finally got promoted into higher working position and having a stable middle income (to our standard). I was born and raised through that second half and I *can* definitely tell him (and so do my parent) why average blue-collars Uygur workers today earns better income and able to live better quality life already.
治沙工程很偉大!
前人种樹, 后人要保育這片土地!
I am from Xinjiang, working in Africa now, maybe it's time to return to my hometown.
I have visited shanghai, planning to visit beijing hopefully soon, and now looks like the beautiful desert in Kashgar will also be in my travel lists !
Wellcome to my hometown🤗
you are too naive, Kashgar is far away from Shanghai and Beijing!
@@isaacbauman8174 few hours away, it's ok
司徒的纪录片最精彩的地方就是,不言而喻,看起来一点都没提政治问题,但是看一遍……不言而喻
他的这种 “我只做不说” 很中国式。
这就是让事实说话,胜过千言万语
想请这哥们吃饭哈哈
Keep the great work man! Show more daily life in China to the world.
You always tell in an interesting and funny way, 😃 I really like your videos. Thanks to you, I get to know China better, it is a very beautiful country. greetings 😃👍🤗👋
0:20 小朋友这表情把我逗笑了
哈哈哈哈
小朋友在惊讶:BBC又来了!?
❤China=Asian proud 😘👍
Thank you for the great video. Xinjiang is beautiful, amazing landscapes, friendly people, good foods. We love Xinjiang.
司徒和郭杰瑞都非常棒,客观展现中国的风貌和风土人情
我也喜欢郭杰锐!这家伙现在很少拍视频,在买咖啡!也不多拍点视频出来!憨豆先生我更喜欢他父母博步和梅梅
@@robustashorea4586 不是吧!他也没说啥呀!反华的人真是脑子有问题!我们国家又没得罪他们
@@robustashorea4586 我竟然都不知道呀,气愤😡
@@robustashorea4586 乐乐早已经疯了!你还在看,他才是堕入黑暗!
我也很喜歡郭杰瑞,很真實的男孩。😂😂
中国缺少司徒这种平和又不失礼貌的介绍中国新疆的人 我爱司徒 眼睛跟着你去游览祖国和扶贫成果 加油!!
其实有很多很多外国朋友拍新疆的!自媒体都是实拍实感!不像 bbc !只为了反华去制造新闻
Oh i really love these Barbeques!!! They sell them in other places like Guanxi and Shanghai. I have been 13 provinces. But I really regret not heading to Xinjiang when I was already in Gansu. I really want to visit Urumqi and Kashgar. This looks so beautiful!
i love your videos and your personality thank you for showing us real Xinjiang unlike how its portrayed so negatively in the media of large think tanks funded by weapons manufacturers which has a very extreme and negative bias. thank you for dedicating your time and energy to showing us the real lives of people in Xinjiang Stu! hope you get to experience the food and culture and enjoy yourself in China 😊👍🏻
Really really miss fresh dates, Crispy and sweet, my favorite
0:23 hahaha that cute girl was in awe
How I'm supporting XJ in Canada: buying XJ pears and dates, and only buy made in China things, heheh
I buy Xingian Dates from Chinese groceries often in Halifax, Canada.
Kind people
Xinjiang dates are very good with high quality, and actually, it is not expensive in Canada.
Likewise, ✌️👍
I like your videos. The narratives are very friendly.
@@tywinlannister8999 ? Do you expect commercial farmlands to look differently than huge flat stretches of land with neat rows of plants?
Hi Stu. Pls organize some 'Xinjiang Tours' after the pandemic. Me n my family will love to join u to see a better Xinjiang n Xinjiang specialties.....
Love from Malaysia.
you can go there anytime if you like, neednt organization!
最喜欢司徒,传递真实的声音
Amazing these Xinjiang dates trees/plants are very different from middle eastern & south Asian dates plants/Trees. Good to see farming agriculture with modern techniques
It's called PALM dates in the middle eastern area.
USA is one of the largest cotton exporter/producer, so by smearing Xinjiang as a place with forced labor and sanction them , they take over the market share of Xinjiang.
Frankly speaking, I've never seen a forced labor that is a happily making 250,000 RMB (USD 39,000) per year. Can I be a forced labor? and I always want to be a forced labor😁😁
I mean I'm 'forced' to work from Monday to Friday every week to earn my salary... that counts as forced labor right😂
@@ChrisZ901 If you are living in Xinjiang, the answer is YES, else, NO😁😁
Ohh yeah. The US was infamous by exporting cotton using black slaves and the UK forcing the Indians by paying very small wages for ludicrous amount of work. I think they put something in the West food to addle their mind 🤔
same for iran pistacchio, the french alstom, the japanese Hitachi or huawei China. obey or die
250k RMB is very very decent in China.
In tier 2 city, one would no problem living comfortably and without stress.
Wow, now I'm hungry
You and me both!
Dates is the next to go on the U.S. sanction list. I think Xinjiang dates can't even satisfy local demands, though.
謝謝你讓我們了解新疆的風土人情
Thank you for the video, Xinjiang look so Beautiful and Clean. I’m so so jealous.😊
这就是我们新疆好地方 谢谢你
Thanks to Stu’s academic, cultural and career background, all videos are very unique and appealing!
You make me want to go there now
很喜歡司徒的視頻,輕鬆簡潔易明
I liked the first part of the video with the local background music mixed in with some slow-motion effects. Great video overall! At 00:20, did the girl spot a famous CZcams vlogger?
You should go to Hotan City to see the Uluwati Water Conservancy Project. There is a miracle of the desert. At the foot of the Kunlun Mountains on the edge of the Taklimakan Desert, this reservoir was built to benefit the people of southern Xinjiang.
I'm going to Hotan soon
@@TravelinChina Hotan Uyghur baked buns, a bun is bigger than an adult’s fist, I wish you a good appetite
Thank you for showing xinjiang to the world!..you are awesome!!
别拦着我,我要回国种棉花😹
Wow ! You Got to interview cotton growers and ask right questions to show whether they are forced labors! The worker’s annual wage/income just from cotton harvest is around US $36k, up or down a bit depending on exchange rate. The owner’s is double, US$70-80K! That’s very good income. The only forced labour seems to be the machines!
Thanks for taking us on your adventure Stu!
我從小好向往新疆😍,但是我還沒有去,我一定會去的,因為我從小的夢想!🤗🤗😍😍❤️❤️❤️
我是乌鲁木齐的汉族,你要来吗?
Great video as always, Stu!
Thanks Luke
Always a delight to watch STU.
以事實證明某些人的言論有多荒謬!新疆人民自由純樸快樂的生活著🙂
You deserve more views, Stu.
Thank u🙂 GOD BLESS YOU & THE HUMANITY IN XINJIANG! I WOULD LOVE TO EXPERIENCE IT. 😃😄😇
Thank you for showing us the cotton fields and the life of the Xinjiang people. Where are the forced labourers?
Quoted by you:
"Where are the forced labourers?"
Didn't you see the forced labourers?
The guy was driving it & "it" was forced fed with diesel fuel.
And the guy make 250,000 rmb while
the "it" was suffering without food but diesel fuel as payment.
POOR "IT"
6:22 On the machine was a sign that the government subsidized the machine, which meant that the farmers had a big discount on buying the machine.
Or loans to purchase the machine. Pay back with a percent of the cotton produced.
Quoted by you:
"On the machine was a sign that the government subsidized the machine, which meant that the farmers had a big discount on buying the machine."
In China, all minority ethic races have loads of special right & privileges
that include no income tax.
How I wish I am a minority race in China,
my ancestor motherland.
ZHONG GUO wan sui wan sui wan wan sui.
@@putianren I have to say the part of no income tax is wrong. I am zhuang minority from Guangxi, and we pay exact the same tax as others.
We do have some small special benefit on education, comparing to the Han
@@user-ef4ch7xl8u czcams.com/video/I4U5W11v2PM/video.html
It’s tough for people live there,And such a daunting task for a reporter keep talking , I love xinjiang indeed
Stu, such a meaningful & enjoyable vlog! Thank you so much!!!
Nice video on Xinjiang cotton field. There’s absolutely no force labor there. This really hit the face of the haters. Thanks for your video.
Wow, I’m lucky to be the first few to watch this.
Why haven't I discovered you earlier? You picked the best music to go along with your vlogs! It's soo soothing and fitting. You mandarin is also superb damn, I wasn't expecting that at all.
My videos dont rank very highly on CZcams, I don't do the clickbait stuff, but I'm glad you found me! Thanks for the lovely comment. Choosing music is perhaps my favourite part of the editing process.
i saw your videos with your dad and mom and they’re so lovely. your dads a cool dude and your moms so elegant. your video quality is also so nice. the camera captures all the beautiful scenery and the essence of the places you visit. very awesome and amazing! thank you for sharing 😊❤️
Nice video!!! So beautiful there!!!
awesome content! love your sense of humour
很喜欢司徒的英式幽默,也总让我想起憨豆先生~哈哈哈哈
OMG, so jealous you get to travel around Xinjiang. My friend and I were slowly making our way around China in 2018 and we thought we'd complete more travel after a couple of years and now here we are, can't get in anymore unless you have a ton of annual leave from work, and I don't have a ton of annual leave.
Hopefully you'll get a chance in the future.
The diversity in China is jaw dropping. Great reporting on the China as it is today.
Don’t show your video to the the American prisoners coz they’d say: what a beautiful prison in Xingiang where you can even earn money! I wish I could be imprisoned there!
that girl shocked amazingly
😋😋😋🥰🥰🥰
It's definately too early Stu. Just have another glass and it'll be fine. Yeah why not another for the road Stu. Hahahaha....
Men love their errrmmmmm......brew?
Where ever we are in this world, there is brew made from anything we men can get the hands on. Red date alcohol is new to me.🤣🤣
好有意义的旅游纪录片~看着非常想让你把口罩戴上挡沙子hhh
Poverty itself is a violation of human rights. (RM quote)
Yes, and no one cares to be a forced labour with good income 😂
Lovely t-shirt with the text : 中国人民很行 :D
很行
司徒,谢谢你
哇,原来红枣酒的度数这么高。
司徒的花花衫好帅!
Doing a great job, Stu. Yr mum and dad must be very proud of u and for what u r doing.
I don't know about you, but where do I sign up for the 500K/year "force labor" cotton picking work
I too, would like to know
#meToo
He is the boss, he earns 500k a year. You could only be that man earning 250k because you are a employee.
Nah, just kidding
Me too 😂😀
新疆的烤肉是真的爽
謝謝你
吃那么多枣小心上火流鼻血哈哈
Hello! your videos are amazing! I am following your travel. I am living in China too, did you make some special permit to go there, or just travel to there? are there some limitation? thank you so much
加油💪加油💪世界加油💪
First time see the date tree...原来长这样。。。
The only thing Xinjiang Uyghurs are force to do by CPC is living a better and better lives.
Beautiful and quiet life here!
great video.
Dude was forced to make 250,000RMB/yr by planting cotton ,damn how brutal they r!
Quoted by you:
"Dude was forced to make 250,000RMB/yr by planting cotton ,damn how brutal they r!"
Dude, I want to be brutalized so I can make 250,000 rmb.
Please can someone do that to me or even worse
so I can make that amount, 250,000 rmb.
I don't mind as i am all ready to be brutalize
as much as they want even though I am not a sadist.
500,000 he said.
@@mottscottison6943 I think he is referring to the other one who was on the tractor?
@@mottscottison6943 boss 500k,worker 250k
你真有口福
Love your videos ❤👍
感谢你的视频。支持你。加油💪
新疆好吃的好多啊,馋
Thanks for sharing 👍
看见新疆烤肉用大蒲扇惊呆了。
a great experience to touch real XinJiang that is my dream for long time to be hided in my deep heart
Stu 是一路的吃,吃,吃……好開心啊! 😄😄
可爱的司徒!好想回国啊!
我真的很生气,西方媒体还说新疆人被压迫,一个农民年收入25W,比我一个生在上海快奔四的本科毕业者,收入要高很多,我才吃醋了,我想去新疆做农民,坐着喷洒机,听听JAZZ,手边一瓶红枣醋,再看看视频里的维族美女!!!美!
收入比香港一般工作還要高
@@nekoneko9095 国家队贫困地区的补助非常大,中国政策减少贫富差距是首位
@兰州懂王 真幸福,新疆人,国家请奴役我吧,如果年薪25万每天开开拖拉机
Happy
哎,我一个北京人都很羡慕他们
Thank you very much!
哈哈哈!吃醋。拍得視頻好好👍
For humanity sakes, please don’t turn into SerpentZa or Laowei86!! Keep up your good work. I truly enjoyed your vblogs. Cheers!
Not worth mentioning these two ingrates. They had been extended with all the good things in life, but still wanted more - typical of having that colonialist behaviour for one and the other creature thinking that he was still in "Apartheid South Africa." Wondering whether they have found their "paradise" in the US ? Perhaps could be roaming in the streets of the homeless or perhaps not venturing out of their homes for fear of being mugged, stabbed or even shot without any cause or reasons.
Hahaha, I like your T-shirt, 中国人民很行, Chinese people are quite good!
i think that's from a chinese learning joke about 中国人民银行
@@rickr9435 yeah, something like that, or from 姜昆的相声
I join your fans team. Watching your video makes me happy
This video speaks the truth!
拍的很好 加油加油
lol that 50% red date alcohol looked like it’s a real kicker. 50% is a lot a lot percentage a little goes along way. mix it with some sweet juice and fresh fruits it can taste like a nice mixed drink
好看😳😳😳😳
2:13 I love dates😍😋 I wonder, is Xinjiang-grown dates a specific variety with its own name or is it a certain variety exported from Middle East region (i.e. Medjool, Sukkary, Ajwa, etc.)?
the ones in china are called jujube actually. looks like they are totally different from the middle east ones. the trees of jujube are like, trees. but the trees of the middle east ones are palm trees.
@@rickr9435 Ah, silly me😅 It just came across my head the obvious difference between the two fruits, but yeah it's an entire different species from the common palm dates despite being referred as "dates" too.
Botancally they are completely different spieces. Jujube, or red dates, chinese dates, is a small deciduous tree. When fresh of season, it is juicy, crunchy, and sweet.
司徒很可愛😻⭐️💫🌸
It’s definitely too early.... I’ll have another glass
6:10 国家补贴的拖拉机
06:23 the letters painted on the enging, "国家补贴机具 麦县2015" said : "state subsidized machines, Makit County 2015".
Thank you for sharing your experience of Xinjiang. I gotta say, I'm just not getting a strong genocide vibe as per the western narrative.