What is REV MATCHING on a Motorcycle?
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- čas přidán 16. 02. 2023
- How to rev match on a motorcycle and why you might want to do it on your next ride.
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This was one of the first thing I wanted to learn when I started to ride my bike, makes you feel like you know what you are doing, and it sound awesome!
Same here
tht is one rusty chain bro
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Go outside
Saw that too
I literally said that out loud when I saw it while he was riding lol
DISCLAIMER: revmaching is fun n all but remember the other benefit is "keeping the bike in the power band" wich sounds great but if approaching a really sharp turn might decrease the margin of error with regards to grip...
if that’s the issue, it seems you should be more interested in your brakes. If someone is a beginner, their pace shouldn’t be that close to the bike’s maximum grip.
@@ZSmith-yy4lv it's something chaos causes forget to mention. Irregardless of experience, just be aware that the bike is well-within the power band when leaned over
Good to know I've been doing it correctly.
I'm always worried that I'm being too harsh on the clutch plates by "dumping" the clutch while shifting at speed, but it doesn't make sense to me since feathering the clutch means it's spending more time in friction and therefore more time on getting worn down.
I even learned how to upshift VERY SMOOTHLY without a clutch (clutchless downshifts are a bit tricky for me, so I haven't gotten very good at those), but it makes sense that if you can perfectly match the speed, you don't necessarily need the clutch. I've also found out that the bike kind of "tells" you when to shift because if you apply pressure up against the shift lever, it will resist shifting because the speeds don't match, but when you quickly cut the throttle, it drops to a speed that matches, allowing the shift lever to shift up, at which point you re-engage the throttle, and if done right it'll be as smooth as an automatic transmission - i.e. no jerking whatsoever (unless you're in very high rpms, at which point it's practically impossible to do an ultra-smooth shift, clutch or no clutch - there WILL be some jerkiness).
The average guy cannot break the latest bikes I'm sure
No matter how good your clutchless shifts are, it still fks up your gear box. It's better and cheaper to wear the clutch than fking the gearbox which results in expensive repair
@@clickbaitprothat's what I was thinking , which one is cheaper "clutch plates " or " gears" ?
THANKS FOR YOUR ANSWER ❤
clutchless downshift is actually not harder than clutchless upshift when you fully understand what you're really trying to do. but upshifting tends to be more intuitive to most people, so they struggle with the downshift. i'm about to writer a fucking essay...
when you go from throttling up to engine braking (or the other way around), your bike goes from the engine spinning the wheel to the wheel spinning the engine, and during the transition from one to the other, your transmission is unloaded. that's the function of the clutch itself, unloading the transmission so the gears can shift.
but this transition happens twice when we blip the throttle or briefly cut it, once on the rising edge, once on the falling edge, and the gears can pass in any of those unload timing, but it's not because you can that you should. when you are upshifting, your engine has to slow down to match the speed of the wheel, when you downshift, it's the opposite. so you want to be upshifting in a transition from throttling up to engine brake, to assist the engine in slowing down, and you want to downshift on a transition from engine brake to throttling up, to help the engine pick up the pace. if you do t in the opposite way, the throttle action will be fighting against the wheel.
so here are the ways we actually tend to mess up downshifting while learning. when we first learn the "easier" clutchless upshift we get comfortable with the shift timing on the action of cutting the throttle, and that tends to later interfere with clutchless downshift. if you are too used to upshift, you'll tend to not downshift as you start blipping the throttle, but on the falling edge, as you finish blipping and cut the throttle again, and that messes up the shifting and make the transition really harsh.
now, when the gear tends to not shift at all, there's another possible way we made a mistake. it's when the bike is not really engine braking before we blip the throttle. how would that be possible? we obviously downshift as we loose speed, but when we are just slowing down progressively with a slight throttle that we didn't cut completely, the bike might not be really engine braking, the wheel might not be the one spinning the engine, and thus we don't have a transition that unload the transmission. another way to not be engine braking is when we slowed down too much and are near or at idle speed, at this point, the engine idle is the one driving the wheel.
the "guide" to get it done clean at least once works the same as when learning upshift and we are told it's easier to do when really accelerating, but the opposite. first go relatively fast, high rpm of your current gear to give you some room, cut your throttle entirely to be sure you are engine braking, place your foot on the shift lever and push very lightly to preload it, blip the throttle and you should feel the gear pass as you are flicking that wrist towards you not as you get back to your normal throttle.
what makes it harder or confusing is that when we don't have all that shit in mind, it's not as obvious what can make the downshift messy. when upshifting, it's simpler, the initial state is engine giving power, and that's the only way the bike can maintain its speed or accelerate so we can guess it easily. the issue with the initial state for downshift is that we estimate that the engine is "eating" power (engine braking) because we are slowing down, but there're other ways the bike can loose speed, wind drag, wheel friction, and so on, can be slowing down the bike while the engine is still actively adding power to the wheel (just not as much as the external forces slowing it down). and that's what typically mess up your downshift.
What is rev matching? A waste of time.
If I tell you how much i love your explanation of rev matching, you won't believe it. I have gone through several videos about rev matching but yours is best so far. I watched over and over just to get it into my head forever. Thanks bro. More blessings. 👍👍
For me the biggest problem is pulling the front brakes and somehow blipping the throttle at the same time. I just can't seem to get the 2 actions to work together. Any tips on that? :)
I run into the same problem, I want to blame my hand size, but my hands are pretty average, so I think it's the experience matter. What I did to go around the issue is: I tried to incorporate dragging the rear brake and my bike had pretty strong engine braking, it rarely required hard braking before the turn, so I used to downshift before the turn and then trail brake into it. Worked perfectly for me. So for me it was let off the gas, then drag the brakes (both or just rear), let off the rear or both brakes, downshift however many gears the turn and the bike need, then front trail brake into the corner, then gradually let off the front brake and smoothly throttle out. All done smoothly, I have never locked up the rear this way, my buddy locked the rear on his bike even though his had a slipper clutch and mine didn't. I hope it helps. Test it for yourself, might not work for everybody.
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I think a key part is being really loose on the bars and then just roll on the throttle by twisting your wrist. At least for me personally this works flawlessly:)
Practice it when the bike if off
i only brake with 2 fingers, better grip onthe throttle
As a novice, most of the time it jerks the bike. But when it is spot on, Oh man, the satisfaction. 🔥
Another way to enjoy changing gears. So satisfying with the right muffler as well.😊
One more benefit... last summer, I had to ride 350 miles mostly without a clutch because my cable was down to its last 3-4 strands and I had to preserve what I had left any way that I could. (The cable is 2" over stock length so a replacement was not readily available.) Fortunately, the distance to cover was mostly on the interstate but I did need 2 gas stops and had some slow traffic around Seattle. If you can match your revs both up shifting and down shifting, the ride will be much more comfortable and less worrisome.
Thanks for explaining. I heard about rev matching but never knew or understood what it was. This might smooth out my down shiftimg
Your videos only get better every upload. Quality content👌
This is one of my fav thing about riding a motorcycle, it is so awesome when getting it total smooooth .. also the engine will thank you in the long run!
Still working on getting it perfected, but I'm pretty good at it. Going from 3rd to 2nd is the hardest for me. Sometimes too much blip other times not enough.
Man, feels of Revv matched down shifts are so satisfying.
Wonderful. Explained very professionally. Got my like.
Mad respect, just for the fact you mentioned Marquez 💓🙇
Great Video 🤘 can't think of a time when I'm not rev matching, and it sounds awesome... Although I swear, some cagers think you're doing it to be a jerk....
Great video. Great explanation. Things are so much better when the teacher can explain, with diagrams, animations, etc. In this video, he explained that the rear wheel moves and 'pushes' the cam shaft. This is what made it 'click' for me, when I intuitively understood what is happening.
I think there is a phenomenon where people think they understand something just because they can parrot the words a video said. I don't know if they are aware of that, and lie to to impress people. Or, they really think they understand it.
I’ve been doing it before I knew what it was called too 🙏🏽 It’s just like that I and the bike understand each other. Thank you for this video now I know that I’m doing it correctly.
I just started riding, and this answer all my questions. 😅 Been feeling that harsh shifting bc I was feather the clutch lol 😅
Clearest explanation on rev matching I've seen so far!
not really because he don't know what he talking about. there is no rev matching on motorcycles. you are not rev matching you are deloading the transmission so you can shift it. you are just taking the load of you are not rev matching shit. bikes have constant mesh transmissions menaing every single gear is always connected with each other you are just changing what gear you send out to the sprocket so all you have to do is take the load of the system so you can smoothly change which gear you send out.
"Rev matching" reduces clutch wear as well. Which is why most owner operator truck drivers "float" gears. Its also smoother, so you are less likely to break your rear wheel loose in low traction scenarios, like cornering. Which is why big rig drivers also call it slick shifting. When you drive on ice or snow in a big rig you have to float/ rev match/ slick shift. So as to lessen the chances of breaking your drive tires loose and possibility jack knifing, or wrecking.
There are so many benefits. Knowledge or practice of Rev matching should be required for everyone in order to get a motorcycle license.
best video on youtube about rev matching.
What a great video man thank you!
Loved your content, subscribed ❤
This is the best video for bliping the trottle.
Brilliant vid - sending link to my daughter who is learning.
Rev matching is important for all manuals. I was rev matching in cars before I went on a bike. I automatically did it on the bike. Didn't even have to think of it.
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nope useless on street at street speeds not need to do it at all
still haven’t gotten the hang in a car but the bike was pretty easy
same here. But where this is a very informational video, i think it is a matter of feel, hearing and practice and there is no way to explain "just knowing" the revs are right to slide in to the next gear -- and I guess that applies to all clutchless shifting, both up and down.......
breaking down a steep incline, approaching a hair pin for example, rev matching is a must. Even on my "weak" 70 HP V strom I can lock the back wheel going from 2nd to 1st because the front is loaded and the rear wheel is really low on grip.
Yes tricky work
Most modern bikes are equipped with traction control and slipper clutch it's not a big deal nowadays but definitely a good skill to learn to reduce clutch wear and reduce brake pad wear
the sound the bike makes when you rev match and down shift is just
muwha
Me, too. I do rev matching way before I knew what it was and what it is called. 😅
Same
That chain needs a lot of love to get that rust off
Lmao I came to the comment section JUST to say that
That chain is crazy
Never really understood the concept but this video is so fucking amazing 🎉🎉❤
Iv always said. imagine jumping on a running tread mill. You want to be running at the same speed as the road when you jump in it. Rev matching is bring the revs up to match so when you let the clutch out its the same. Then you can let the throttle
Off to slow down (engine braking) letting the clutch out to slow down can damage the chain or make the wheel lock Up and skid.
Im an absolut beginnen and didnt Knew about it at all i knew i was doing something wrong as i down Shift But i didnt knew what it was thanks a lot going To Train it❤️
its all about understanding your bike and again practice x3 to get use to it. learn to listen to your engine and understand your throttle.
Smthn about onboard footage of bijes that just floats my boat 🚢❤
Hello, Chaos is it time to take care of your chain ? It seems rusty ?
Great channel, thanks for the tips =)
Best explanation of rev matching on the net.
This video make me miss my last bike, KTM 890 Duke w/ quickshifter, i loved not being forced to revmatch and still shifting fast :P
I'm really good at rev matching, and use it to my ytx 125 yamaha for casual slowing down and braking. My friend who does not understand this, discourage me and told me to just use the brakes. It's just irritating when they teach you something they don't even know about.
Yes it does sounds cool indeed. But can it be practice in any bike in any terrain?
Really well done bro great job I love when you teach these kiddos 😤
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@ゼシャン when you hear your bike go "wheeeiiii" instead of "brooom"
Should we do this, if we never drive at highest RPMs (the red zone) ? Should we do this, if we have a smaller CC (say 150cc) bike ?
those lows wakes me up to use eq filters x)
why do you pull the cluntch thingy then one you hold down to move faster?? while holding down the clutch to change gear or speed?
I'd go insane if I'd do rev match on every downshift, just release the clutch slower and smoother and go on with your day, you and your bike will be fine.
No one’s forcing anybody its just a technique my guy not doing it doesn’t mean your bike will explode, it has benefits so why not do it?
It just becomes second nature if you do it enough. Also it's a must if you want to learn to ride fast, nothing harder to watch than the videos I see on here of someone bragging about running from police and not rev matching causing all sorts of issues when they try to get around corners quickly.
I definitely avoid it at slower speeds
i habitually rev match down to second, then leave it in first when i come to a stop
I'd go insane if I didn't do it....
if i shift gear up, do i instanly release the clutch or slowly? genuine question im new to clutch bike :)
Every time I down shift with rev matchings with my 125cc carburetor operated bike its puffs with flame and sounds cool
Always the trickiest when shifting from gear 2 to gear 1 while rev matching
Curious. On a car there is a rev matching technique where you cluch in, hold the rpm at constant, down shift and clutch out. I have been using this technique on the bike as well just before a turn. This should also be okay? Instead of blipping?
While revmatching i face issues like improper gearing and jerk degearing while on my bike. But whenever i do it on other bikes which are same as mine i do ir fluently. Kindly advice what could be the issue.
All three at onces (10% throttle / clutch and down shift) ?
i keep the clutch disengaged all the time and only engage it when i need to transfer the power to the wheel. i multiple down shift holding the clutch, use the brakes and then engage the clutch once the speed seem to match engine. am i doing any mistake or harm to the bike
there is another better way? by just simle accelerating slightly to match engine rotation while changine gear with clutch , so when you go from 4 to 3 and start releasing clutch you have to give continuos high throtle than usual, is this works??
Hey man i like you content and editing skill. And i wish you will try to make motovlog as well
man got a new bike and now really struggling with jerky rev matching, i dunno if i should adjust clutch lever?
What is the pattern? Blip pull clutch and downshift?
is there a range of rom that matters. coz rev matching at low rpm has near zero effect on my bike but above 6k rpm its beautiful
Do you have to completely close the throttle
I always blipp... Got used to it while driving trucks for exhaust braking
breaking application before rev matching is necessary orr not
doesnt this damage the engine and can i do this with a 200cc bike?
I didn’t know this is a thing that people have to practice to i always do this since i got my first bike
You have a great way of putting things 👍. I guess the downside is increased fuel consumption but that’s a small price for the cool sound😎
dam i need to practice this
so im always supposed to use clutch while rev matching ?🙂🙂
2:18 Is chain a bit rusty or am i just imagining it ?
Great video with explanation =)
hmm if we rev matching , does it hurt gearbox or clutch plate? I'm riding MT09 ALSO😂
Tried it last Summer here in Europe on my MT07. Missed one totaly, the bike made weird and terrible movement for a second and after around 50m, the "Check Oil" light lit up.
I couldn't accelarate anymore and was forced to stop.
After turning by bike off and back on again, everything worked just fine.
But for a second, i was really, REALLY worried...
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Any reason or idea why that happened after attempting the rev match?
Been doing this eversince.
it's not New i think everyone doing it
not knowing by that time they are doing
but now we have name for it
but it's good that u make video with that shots its very good to hear
Do we really need to use clutch when rev matching?
I've learnt it so well now, I don't even have to use the clutch everytime.
On v twin bikes with no slipper clutch you have to rev match if you are going fast. Otherwise you will lock up the rear wheel if you change down too quick. V twins produce a lot more engine braking compared to say a 4 cyl 600 sports bike. And if you are riding fast, the last thing you want to do is lock up the rear wheel whilst entering a corner.
Modern bikes have slipper clutches? My 2006 ducati monster s2r has one..
On my 2004 tdm 900 I don't even use the clutch. Just push it in gear when rpms are right.
Will try this trick, if I'm not already doing it lol
1. Clutch in
2.downshift
3.rev
4. Clutch out
I'm i right?
If i okay then i have one Question. How much throttle should i increase? For example my bike is 4th gear at 4000rpm and i want to back 3rd gear. Then how much throttle should increase(rpm)?
Don't rev match one time, see where the revs go to. That is your answer. You will get a feel for it over time though.
Been riding for 3 years, but my bike came with a quick shifter. Now Im looking at getting a new bike that may not have a quick shifter, and i feel like im back to being a beginner rider because i dont have the muscle memory for up and down shifting with the throttle and clutch.
I was doing this on daily basis and didn't know what rev matching was 🤦🏻
(Without clutch)
😂😂
When rev matching are you closing the throttle first or are you keeping a steady throttle and then blipping? That's the part I'm trying to figure out.
Steady and blippp
Does this work in shifter mopeds?
Yea I've been riding for about 3 months now. I never really heard of rev matching until seeing yt videos. I'm trying to do rev matching but it's so hard! Defiantly takes practice. Usually when I downshift going into a stop I hold the clutch in the entire time, downshift the entire time, and use the brakes. Does that hurt my bike?
It doesn't hurt the bike, but your brake pad will wear out quickly, as it only depend on the brake to slow down the weight without the addition of engine braking
Start out just using the gears to engine brake while slowing when approaching stops. You'll get an idea of the amount of rev the bike wants. Once familiar with using each gear to slow down gradually slowly incorporate matching the rev prior to the down shift.
Funny thing ive been riding for 3 months too and I do the same, but I do downs shift here and there
Practice makes perfect.
So far, one reduction out of 10 works fine for me. haha
Had a hard time with clutchless shifting until I got used to preloading
So are u supposed to be in low rpms to rev match
clean that chain bro
Did a lot of it when young. Because bikes decades ago wasn't as well designed as they are now. Clutches not disengaging fully or slipping, Mechanically much harder to shift.
Only 4 gears which means larger steps between gears, so more rpm difference when downshifting. Drive trains with more inertia. For example 4 speed BMWs was impossible to shift without a big clonk. Modern bikes are much better designed so no real need to match revs. Though pushed hard and careless, you can still get short moments of wheel lock up, wagging the tail a little when downshifting. Even on bikes with slipper clutch.
On my classic racebikes I often shift up without using the clutch, just a moment of no throttle.
Do you have to squeeze the clutch all the way down when performing rev matching? Makes me wonder what would happen when you messed up the rev match timing. Will you stall or will the rear wheels locked?
Neither, if you miss the shift you'll probably lurch forward because of the harsh engine braking but that's mostly it
What means blip or blipping?
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if uve been driving for a long time (years)
this will come naturally to you ❤
i have honda with DCT, i allways "do" perfect rev matching :P
i was doing it intuitively didn’t know this was a technique
it does make me feel like Idol Marquez ❤️😆
I’m confused. I do this but I don’t use the clutch at all. Only starting and stopping.
Here's a pro tip, rather than rev match, how about using your brakes to slow down so your down shifting doesn't cause engine braking? Aside from the track, I see no real-world critical use for this other than to rush through gears and revving the engine - especially on newer rides with slipper clutches and ABS. What am I missing?
trouble with braking it unsettles the suspension and chucks the weight over the front wheel losing traction on the rear, a quick downblip keeps everything nice and level.
A little blip would be easy on the clutch and the gears.
When going downhill downshifting and engine braking is preferred and is a better option than applying brakes
Engine braking does no harm to your engine - if anything, you save cost from utilizing your brakes too often.
Some bikes/engines have far more engine braking than others, my MT-01 has the engine braking similar to throwing an anchor off the back, so rev matching is need for smooth riding, but my TZR250-SPR has virtually no engine braking at all, and rev matching is need for the awesome sound of a tuned 2 stroke😆😆
I’m having trouble with my timing I blip the throttle and downshift but my bikes jerk forward
It was easy on my CBR1000 and hayabusa. On my ZH2 it feels like I’m a die. I’ll stick with the Quick shifter
I always have rev matched ever since i could ride. It just feels more natural.
So if I’m not mistaken it’s clutch in, twist the throttle and quickly shift down then clutch out?? …. I’m a new rider just got my Ninja650 last week and took it around my neighborhood this morning, everything was good by my down shifting kept the bike jerking while the RPMs raises really high.. it just felt wrong
you just learn it naturally, don't rush things, go slow and at your pace.
@@satariel8652 appreciate you bro💪🏾