Mooer Baby Bomb 30 Review - 30 Watt Class D Guitar Poweramp
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- čas přidán 29. 08. 2017
- Here I review the Mooer Baby Bomb 30 using the Blackstars preamp section.
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i have a vox mv50, also a D class amp..It is definitely loud enough to gig with. I imagine if you miked this you would be good
I think it would also work with Blackstar HT pedals. I use the Vox straight 6, but any decent valve pedal will do. As for portable amp, if you want to be covered, something in 100-200W range, used half volume or less. For me Quilter tone block 200 is good enough, class D, compact, I use it more than the valve amp.
The Wampler will sound ok if you plug an EQ in between and give it a push in treble. That's basically what a clean channel on an amp will do for a normal distortion pedal that's not a preamp.
Dave, a quick description of class D amps is that they're switching amps (similar to switchmode power supplies). Whereas a normal A or A/B are push/pull type config and amplify linearly, a class D will turn on/off and switch digitally, hence using less less power - more efficiency, so smaller package. Better sound? Depends who you talk to. I had the guy in the music store try and sell me one when I was specifically looking for a modelling amp! But I reckon these would be great if you have a modelling pedal board and want to connect this to a power amp section + cab on the cheap. I'm actually going to get a stereo 60W class D board off ebay and see how that fairs as a power amp with a preamp in front. I reckon this 30W just runs out of headroom.
Thanks dude :)
Which class D board on eBay is recommendable? Anyone tried these boards for 5 bucks? Is it ok to use one for HiFi and plug your preamp pedal into it? 9V blocks, can they power those?
Hi Dave. Great review. I think that this tiny amp is a way to fix some issues if your power section on a valve amp fails. I would like to know your opinion about my settings: I use a Blackstar ID Core 100. I plug a valve preamp on the effects loop. On the pedalboard I use a Crybaby wah-wah, a Tubesecreamer, a distortion pedal, a compressor/sustainer, and an analog delay. I play mainly blues, soul and classic rock. Cheers!!!
Whatever floats your boat :) how is that blackstar sounding?
Sounds wonderful. Really clean, when crunchy with a lot of power. The Sovtek AX127 gives enough strenght. I use a 335, a Telecaster Deluxe 72 and an Epi LP. I use the Balckstar with custom presets and in manual mode with my pedalboard. Sounds great on both options. Keep rockin'!!
Christ, a reasonable question. Finally!
you convinced me when you said "sais bit like the TARDIS"
Thanks for clarifying one curiosity I had - I want to use my Blackstar ht5 head with a pedal amp to boost my signal
I saw a guy using a Marshall 8080 valvestate poweramp to power a Blackstar HT5, it sounded massive.
My rig consists of a lee Jackson valve rack preamp powered by a velocity 100 ss rack poweramp, but the poweramp died on me after a good 5 years of use unfortunately. Since im not really giging that much anymore i was wondering if i could use this little guy to power my valve preamp? I reckon i could since it powered the preamp section of your blackstar, but i want to make sure i dont fuck up my rack. Thanks
Sure, cant see why not )
So this could be used to amplify amp sims (cab turned off) from a line 6 pod into a normal cabinet ?
Interesting, my mate uses a Kemper, then powers it using an EHX 22 Caliber mini power anp and a Matrix speaker
Hey there thanks for great review ! I have a question i have mooer ge200 and i want to buy baby bomb since it is a good combination. Which cab would you recommend to me ? I play in my room i do not need to be so loud .. I have an amp ,but its modelling amp so mooer ge200 and my blackstar id core 10 v2 are not good at all, they are awful together. So people recommended to me to make this combination and i would either get blackstar HT 112 1x12, MARSHALL MX112R 1X12 or orange micro terror 1x8 what do you recommend ? thank you !!
I would buy a second hand 12" cab, Marshall, Blackstar or anything you can get your hands on.
Dave, help me if you could please with a completely irrelevant question to this video. Been deliberating for ages between the Rolling Mill Overwound, and Dirty Torque bridges.
Is one particualrly better than the other? Could you give me a wee run down on the main tonal differences between the two, or general opinions? Just can't decide! Is the dirty torque's gain very manageable, or does it need a good bit of volume reduction to tame it? I like classic, hard rock and a spot of metal.
Any opinion is much appreciated :)
I would use the Dirty Torque, this will give you the classic Rock to metal sound you are after in all fairness the sound and feel is very close to a Seymour Duncan JB which is the choice of many rock/metal guitarists for years. If you are used to lower output pickups use the Rolling Mill Overwound for Rock Tones, for more vintage sounds use the std rolling mill, if you have an old british plexi or JTM 45 45 style amp the Blues Engine for a realy good blues or ANGUS type tone. For the price you could try both :)
Dave Barlow you are the man, dirty torque it is. Keep up the vids Dave! Hope alls going well, thanks for the response :) going to match it with a rolling mill neck!
I think when you throw something like a sansamp in front if a class d setup magic happens! You end up with a really sweet sounding setup typically AT ANY VOLUME LEVEL. Suddenly you don't want tube amps after such an experience....
You then become a speaker cabinet and/or speaker IR freek.
yeah, check out the new barefaced cabs for guitar modelers
Guitar-gt100-bbe sonic maximiser-baby boom-4×12 cab can it be hook up this way??
dunno, try it and let me know :)
Thought this would be a great power stage for a low draw battery powered bass practice amp for remote locations, but it won’t accept 4 ohm load.
That’s weird. Most single bass cabinets are 4 not 8 ohm. Is it different for guitar?
yes, 4ohm load will get it a bit hot I think, must be some class d amps that can do 4ohms
Dave Barlow,
Thanks.
Yes class D is now quite popular in bass amps, which will drive four or eight ohms, but some class D, not all, give different coloration at differing ohms like valve amps, or so I’ve read.
Hey Dave - I just got my Baby-Bomb but experience a steady background noise. Did you experience something similar?
no, check your leads n stuff
@@DaveBarlowGuitar : the noise occures with the line 6 Helix LT but strangely not with my Boss GT-1
@@DizzyKrissi Shut that gate!
what power supply for this pedal? can it use vodoolabs multi power supply?
It comes with its own Power supply: DC 24V, 2A DC, center nagative :)
Is the first sound the Amp only to a speaker cabinet? This is only made for POWER not tone.
yes
5 Years later…
Helix or Pod go into a Baby Bomb or Electro-Harmonics 44 Mag into a cab. Turn off the Combo amp, and internal cab and use Preamp in the unit.
Good video, I would offer two suggestions however. First, given that the stated purpose was to see how loud it is, I would get a DB meter (free on iPhone app store) and do a side by side comparison with your normal amp. Set your regular amp to gigging level, see how many DBs you're running, and then leaving the meter in the same spot, switch to the Baby Bomb and see if you can match the level. Taking it to a rehearsal so we could hear it keeping up with a band compared to your Blackstar could also be a good way.
Second suggestion would be to take it up through some increasing levels without a preamp or pedals to see how it responds compared to a tube amp. Mooer claims that it starts to give power amp breakup and responsiveness when pushed.
Nice work mate!
Haha! T.A.R.D.I.S. amp...love it, great explanation and I am in the U.S. Love the Doctor
It is possible too make a 100 watt into a single 8 ohm with a very simple preamp for less then $200.00 USD
A class D device is the type typically used by home stereo equipment, and solid state guitar amps... while A, B, or A/B is typically whats used by tube amps. I have no idea what C is.
The most notable exception to the rule of thumb about amp power class is the the Katana. The Boss Katana is the only solid state amp that Im aware of which uses class A/B power.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_amplifier_classes
Very good explanation with diagrams as reference. Class C is also explained there :-)
Sorry. Class D is based on pulse width modulation. Basically the output is switched on and off then smoothed to get the audio signal. It has only really become popular in the last 10-20 years as it is technically quite tricky but is very efficient. This efficiency allows you to fit the amp in a small space. Most amps over 10 years old will be class AB and need a reasonable heatsink depending upon the amount of output bias.
Why be sorry?
I knew nothing about Class D except its general usage.
So thanks for the info.
Good to know. : )
Amp class is more about effeciency on how they amplify small power input signal into larger ones.
You've earned my like for comparing this pedal to the TARDIS. Much appreciation to a fellow Whovian. Haha
So now this has been around for a while, can anybody honestly say if you can gig with this in a pub with no micing up?
I did a band rehearsal with it and still had bags of volume left :)
@@DaveBarlowGuitar thanks Dave!
hi dave,
if i put the pedal like this;
guitar > preamp > baby bomb > cabsim + DI > mixer
What do you think?
whether the baby bomb must be in the speaker cabinet?
seems right to me :)
I'm not an electrical or audio engineer, nor an amp designer.
The Baby Bomb is a power amp, and is really designed to function as a way of making the tone that is shaped by your other pedals and pre-amp loud enough to drive a speaker cabinet. If you're going to use a cab sim and DI anyway instead of a mic'd cab there really isn't much point in having a power amp at all.
Crucially, don't run the signal out of the Baby Bomb into any other pedals, a cab sim, or a DI. These items are not designed to take the signal level that a guitar power amp sends, meaning that killing them and/or the Baby Bomb is likely. Also, remember that instrument cables and speaker cables are not the same; instrument cables aren't designed to handle speaker level signals (think connecting a garden hose to a fire hydrant), and speaker cables aren't shielded to protect the quiet signal from interference.
Essentially, what you propose is fine if you just forget about the Baby Bomb. However if you intend to use this live, think about how you'll monitor yourself. Without an amp to stand in front of, you'll be relying on whatever monitors the venue has and you'll have to take the same mix as the singer (assuming your band has one) and everyone else for that matter. Unless you've got in-ears with a personal mix for you, I can't say that I'd be totally comfortable doing that, though that's just me. Also, you then have to trust the sound guy to get levels right, to know when you need a solo boost, to have a decent PA, and mixing ability, none of which are a given in just any pub. I imagine many others have worked through these issues and use this sort of setup so looking around online to find out more is probably a good idea.
Good luck and keep rocking.
@@Sco1t_ H&K Redbox will work well here-though if there is an insistence to use the power amp without a cab, it could be useful to check if it may run without a load!...Naturally a cab sim that is also a load box would then be the true crucial element...
@@DaveBarlowGuitar LOL Are you trying to have this kid blow his stuff up? Its a power amp not an effect pedal. It goes last in chain and it is pluged via speaker cable into a speaker cabinet. C'mon!
The wattage is dependent on the load is 30 watts into a 8 ohm speaker or a 16 ohm ???
It can not be both..
yes :)
Most of the cheapie amps are rated into 4 ohm's so it is usually a case of 30watts into 4 ohms and since finding a great speaker into 4ohms is near impossible so you need to have 2 speaks at 8ohms and wire it into
4ohms. In short the Mooer amp is probably about 15 watts. The mini Vox MV50 (50watts) has the same problem but it has a preamp built in. They make one that only does clean too...about $200 USD
Looks about $108 US
on the board behind you have the word verses its spelled VERSUS, verses are like the verse in a song plural
Cos I'm shit at spelling dude :)
Class D...Class Dave?
build your own class d unit with a higher rater ps , like 24 volts 6-7 amps , or run it off a battery pack . i use li ion packs . been using class D rings for many years to make music remote where there is no ac . YES a tube amp is better . but there is no ac outlet on a tree . jeesh !
so there's NO pre-amp at all, at times....just guitar>baby bomb 30>cabinet?
OMG YRITAB....GAFB
once all of these things arrive in Chile, they automatically become twice as expensive :c
shame it cost so much in some places.
NEVER run a tube amplifier without it being plugged into a load. EVER.
wise words
Romeo Bravo,
Years ago I thought that wasn’t true about tubes but a solid state no no.
Quite sure it’s true about both.
As a kid I actually used a stereo receiver as a bass amp. I used one channel, turned the balance to the user channel and wired an old car speaker into the other channel and created a dummy load.
$190 here in Australia, everything is more expensive here, more tax on anything that's a luxury or fun.
yes that's quite expensive
hang on I'll just ask my buddy in Switzerland... ^_^
On the fence
Class D means one channel
Cheaper in US because no VAT. Don't worry though, they slam us on income tax.
A good fallback / get out of jail free card. Cheers be lucky
LOL... Everything is cheaper in the U.S.... Chicky buggers!
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why would ANYONE use a huge amp as a preamp into a tiny power amp, defeats the whole purpose of the tiny portable pedal amp....this would be used as a pedalboard amp straight into a speaker cab probably a 1x12 since the point is portability ...u would use a pedal preamp like a mooer etc no a huge amp..makes zero sense to use it this way why not use the power inthe amp otself if you're goig to carry a big amp....
Yes, I said all that in my video, have you watched it, please listen to the video where i say that they are designed for the mooer preamp or perhaps a valve stomp preamp, I used the blackstar because I wanted to show you how to get out of trouble at a gig if your amp tubes blow. The portability of this equipment is obvious I just wanted to show other uses for this handy little amp.
I did watch it Im just saying the comments on the wampler and the way it was used isnt really the intended purpose of the lil amp
In my case, I have a blackstar ht 5 head which only 5 watts aren't enough to practice with a drummer, so I might use it to power a 2x12 cab I have
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